A drone captured these shocking photos of inequality in South Africa
Melia Robinson Sep 2, 2016, 12:24 PM ET
For nearly 50 years, systematic racial suppression and segregation gripped South Africa. While the tides turned in the early '90s and laws were overturned, apartheid had already seeped into the country architecture. Roads, rivers, and fields functioned as "buffer zones" to separate people by race.
In 2016, photographer Johnny Miller set out to capture "the architecture of apartheid" from above. Separation gave the government the ability to reduce the black community's access to education, high-quality jobs, and city resources, leading to extreme divisions of wealth. Miller's drone pictures show the contrast as never seen before.
Miller shared some of his photos with us. You can check out more on his project website, Unequal Scenes. Cape Town is a city like no other. "It's incredibly beautiful," Miller says, "and is the quintessential South African blend of first and third world."
Black people have been disenfranchised in the country for hundreds of years. Starting in 1948, apartheid protected racism under the law.
Apartheid also brought about labels to differentiate between nonwhite people from different origins. Black people came from the Eastern Cape and spoke Xhosa, while mixed-race people, called "colored," descended from slaves from Indonesia and Madagascar or were indigenous Khoisan people.
In the years following, black people were forcibly removed from their homes in rural areas and relocated into slums. The new developments were spaced apart to prevent people from unifying.
Apartheid is no longer law. But fast-forward more than 50 years from when apartheid laws were put in place, and many black residents still live in tin shacks, confined to sandy, arid areas far outside the city.
The wealthy, white people claimed leafy neighborhoods on the Atlantic seaboard and near Table Mountain, closer to the downtown area and its resources.
"Interestingly, sometimes you have very poor communities that, for one reason or another, exist right in the middle of very wealthy neighborhoods," Miller says.
That's quite a harsh title,yes they have the numbers,I feel like why stuff isn't getting better is,in the way white like to attack with violence,the Herero and namqua genocide the Zulu war,using the asians immigrants as temporary allies,causing confusion with the mixed population and the killing of political leaders like Steve biko.
Posted by Punos_Rey (Member # 21929) on :
Aren't you of African descent yourself?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Punos_Rey: Aren't you of African descent yourself?
ALL humans, including Albino Europeans and Asians are of African descent.
Your point?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
BBC
Nigerian economy slips into recession
Nigeria, which vies with South Africa for the mantle of Africa's biggest economy, is also battling an inflation rate at an 11-year high of 17.1% in July.
"A lot of Nigeria's current predicament could have been avoided," said Kevin Daly from Aberdeen Asset Management.
"The country is so reliant on oil (Crude oil sales account for 70% of government income) precisely because its leaders haven't diversified the economy.
Nigeria MAKES ALMOST NOTHING - ALMOST ALL OF IT'S NEEDS ARE IMPORTED!!!
There is now an emergency effort underway to make things like "BUS BODIES".
Wouldn't sensible people make home manufacture of domestic needs FIRST priority?
That's what get when you have crap leadership who works for the interest if whites or foreigners instead of the group
Posted by Punos_Rey (Member # 21929) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Punos_Rey: Aren't you of African descent yourself?
ALL humans, including Albino Europeans and Asians are of African descent.
Your point?
Ok let me rephrase. Aren't you of *recent* African descent, i.e. black? You talk a lot of trash so I'm just curious
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Punos_Rey:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Punos_Rey: Aren't you of African descent yourself?
ALL humans, including Albino Europeans and Asians are of African descent.
Your point?
Ok let me rephrase. Aren't you of *recent* African descent, i.e. black? You talk a lot of trash so I'm just curious
. Blacks were the FIRST humans to leave Africa. They left Africa long BEFORE the Albinos. Again - your point?
Btw - my problem with Africans is that they are often unnecessarily ignorant and unthinking. Can't wait to hear your point.
Posted by Elmaestro (Member # 22566) on :
quote:Originally posted by Punos_Rey:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Punos_Rey: Aren't you of African descent yourself?
ALL humans, including Albino Europeans and Asians are of African descent.
Your point?
Ok let me rephrase. Aren't you of *recent* African descent, i.e. black? You talk a lot of trash so I'm just curious
Quit while you're ahead, just be vigilant in your analysis of information being thrown around on this site & from whom... Chew before you swallow is all can suggest Fam.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
This chained, century-old tree in Pakistan is a perfect metaphor for colonialism.
The Washington Post
A photograph printed this week in Pakistan's Dawn newspaper offered up a reminder of an obscure episode in the history of the British Raj. It shows a banyan tree in the country's Khyber agency, a tribal area near the border with Afghanistan. The tree, which sits inside an army cantonment, is shackled with chains, extending from its myriad branches to the ground. A board still hangs from it: It reads, in part: "I am under arrest."
"According to the plaque fixed on the tree," the newspaper explains, "in 1898, an intoxicated British officer ordered the mess sergeant to arrest the tree as he thought that it was moving towards him. Since then, the tree has remained in chains."
This is apparently a true story. The offended Victorian, a British army officer named James Squid, was in a drunken stupor and believed the multi-limbed banyan tree was somehow lurching toward him. He ordered its arrest. The move was not entirely an act of farce.
"The British basically implied to the tribesmen that if they dared act against the Raj, they too would be punished in a similar fashion," one local speculated when the Daily Tribune, another Pakistani newspaper, reported on the tree in 2013.
So there it stands — rooted to its native soil, blameless yet punished, and fettered by bonds it still can't shake.
In recent years, Pakistan has waged a brutal counterinsurgency campaign in the area against elements of the Taliban and other fundamentalist outfits.
The Tribune story suggests that the tree is a parable for the Frontier Crimes Regulations, a regime of harsh, draconian colonial-era laws enforced in the tribal areas of what is now northwest Pakistan. This includes the ability to collectively punish tribes or families for the crimes of individuals within these groups.
The FCR is still largely in place, with the government in Islamabad administering the tribal areas with a different set of laws than the rest of the country. Despite more recent moves toward reform, the status quo remains largely the same as it was decades ago.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Note: Pakistan was a part of India proper until 1947.
I often wonder who was the most worthless, Africans or Indians. As both were colonized by people with a fraction of their populations.
Usually I vacillate, but then chose Indians as the most worthless. I go that way because Africa never developed technologically, and Africa was never anywhere close to being unified.
India had high technology, and several unified Empires that encompassed most of the subcontinent.
Yet the British was able to go in there, play the kingdoms of against each other, and rule that huge place, with it's huge population for almost two hundreds of years.
To Africans credit, except for South Africa, Europeans ruled in Africa for less than 100 years.
Mahatma Gandhi has been variously described as an anti-colonial protester, a religious thinker, a pragmatist, a radical who used non-violence effectively to fight for causes, a canny politician and a whimsical Hindu patriarch.
But was India's greatest leader also a racist?
The authors of a controversial new book on Gandhi's life and work in South Africa certainly believe so. South African academics Ashwin Desai and Goolam Vahed spent seven years exploring the complex story of a man who lived in their country for more than two decades - 1893 to 1914 - and campaigned for the rights of Indian people there.
In The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire, Desai and Vahed write that during his stay in Africa, Gandhi kept the Indian struggle "separate from that of Africans and coloureds even though the latter were also denied political rights on the basis of colour and could also lay claim to being British subjects".
They write that Gandhi's political strategies - fighting to repeal unjust laws or freedom of movement or trade - carved out an exclusivist Indian identity "that relied on him taking up 'Indian' issues in ways that cut Indians off from Africans, while his attitudes paralleled those of whites in the early years". Gandhi, the authors write, was indifferent to the plight of the indentured, and believed that state power should remain in white hands, and called black Africans Kaffirs, a derogatory term, for a larger part of his stay in the country. Racial segregation
In 1893, Gandhi wrote to the Natal parliament saying that a "general belief seems to prevail in the Colony that the Indians are a little better, if at all, than savages or the Natives of Africa".
In 1904, he wrote to a health officer in Johannesburg that the council "must withdraw Kaffirs" from an unsanitary slum called the "Coolie Location" where a large number of Africans lived alongside Indians. "About the mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly."
The same year he wrote that unlike the African, the Indian had no "war-dances, nor does he drink Kaffir beer". When Durban was hit by a plague in 1905, Gandhi wrote that the problem would persist as long as Indians and Africans were being "herded together indiscriminately at the hospital".
This, in itself, say historians, is not entirely new and revelatory. Also, some South Africans have always accused the man who led India to independence of working with the British colonial government to promote racial segregation. In April, a man was arrested in connection with vandalising a statue of Gandhi. A hashtag #Ghandimustfall (sic) has gained circulation on social media.
Gandhi's biographer and grandson, Rajmohan Gandhi, says the younger Gandhi - he arrived in South Africa as a 24-year-old briefless lawyer - was undoubtedly "at times ignorant and prejudiced about South Africa's blacks". He believes Gandhi's "struggle for Indian rights in South Africa paved the way for the struggle of black rights". He argues that "Gandhi too was an imperfect human being", but the "imperfect Gandhi was more radical and progressive than most contemporary compatriots".
Ramachandra Guha, writer of the magisterial Gandhi Before India, writes that "to speak of comprehensive equality for coloured people was premature in early 20th Century South Africa". Attacking Gandhi for racism, wrote another commentator, "takes a simplistic view of a complex life".
The authors of the new book disagree.
"Gandhi believed in the Aryan brotherhood. This involved whites and Indians higher up than Africans on the civilised scale. To that extent he was a racist. To the extent that he wrote Africans out of history or was keen to join with whites in their subjugation he was a racist," Ashwin Desai told me.
"To the extent that he accepted white minority power but was keen to be a junior partner, he was a racist. Thank God he did not succeed in this as we would have been culpable in the horrors of apartheid.
"But if Gandhi was part of the racist common sense of the time then how does this qualify him to be a person that is seen as part of the pantheon of South African liberation heroes? You cannot have Gandhi as an accomplice of colonial subjugation in South Africa and then also defend his liberation credentials in South Africa." 'Blind eye'
Desai also rejects the assertion that Gandhi paved the way for the local struggle for black rights - "in one sentence," he says, "you are writing out the history of African resistance to colonialism that unfolded much before Gandhi even arrived".
In his book, Guha writes what a friend in Cape Town once told him about Gandhi. "You gave us a lawyer, we gave you back a Mahatma [Great Soul]". Ashwin Desai thinks this is a "ridiculous assertion" about a man who "supported more taxes on impoverished African people and turned a blind eye to the brutality of the Empire on Africans".
The authors of the new book are not the first to challenge the conventional Indian historiography on Gandhi. Historian Patrick French wrote tellingly in 2013 that "Gandhi's blanking of Africans is the black hole at the heart of his saintly mythology".
More than a century after he left Africa, there has been a resurrection of Gandhi in South Africa. Despite their reservations about the 'man of Empire', Desai and Vahed acknowledge that Gandhi "did raise universal demands for equality and dignity".
But even the greatest men are flawed. And Gandhi was possibly no exception.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^In India, the Gondi and other tribes are Negroid. As are the Andaman Islanders.
Not to mention that Dravidians are Blacker than Africans - on average.
I wonder how Gandhi reconciled that?
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
I remember John Henrik Clark speaking about in one of his lectures on YouTube,gandhi was a nigga mesmerized by white folks,i all so heard he had a problem with darker south asians.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Why u have no respect 4 Africans is that u r biased prejudiced and hateful of the source that's stopped u from being accepted as white. The 1/16 African in you must've reaked just enough havoc that yr face shows the strain barring you white acceptance. Naturally u vent at the source of yr angst both the Africans (repping 4 yr great granpappy) and Europeans (yr remaining lineage) inventing a world where half octroons would be grand and glorious nobility commanding and ruling and even instituting triangular trade.
In a nutshell, y u have no respect for Africans (nor Europeans) is u have no respect for self.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thereal: I remember John Henrik Clark speaking about in one of his lectures on YouTube,gandhi was a nigga mesmerized by white folks,i all so heard he had a problem with darker south asians.
It seems to me that Indians in general are mesmerized by white folks.
As are most Mongols it appears.
The recent defeat of the Black South East Asian Empires (it's only been about 400 years, same as Europe), may have a lingering effect.
White = Strong
Black = defeat
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Thereal: I remember John Henrik Clark speaking about in one of his lectures on YouTube,gandhi was a nigga mesmerized by white folks,i all so heard he had a problem with darker south asians.
It seems to me that Indians in general are mesmerized by white folks.
As are most Mongols it appears.
The recent defeat of the Black South East Asian Empires (it's only been about 400 years, same as Europe), may have a lingering effect.
White = Strong
Black = defeat
Not all, various Indians in the west, and even Pakistani's and Bangladeshi's (whom are basically Indians that are Muslims) don't like White people; see how recent Pakistani immigrants behave in countries like the UK behave against "non-muslims" and non-south asians to see evidence of that.
I remember when Heidi Klum tried to paint herself as the god shiva, and Indians got all uptight and uppity about it, and started being hostile. There was also the recent case where Chris martin & Beyonce, tried to make a music video based off Indian costumes and traditions; and there was a huge uproar...
Also it's strange that there are Black women and women of other races, that are enamored with gook/chink kpop; when kpop is just a watered down version of Black hip hop and rap music in the West, which the gooks appropriated and milked off it; to try to appeal to whites while laughing and being racist to blacks...
I don't understand the cognitive dissonance behind that and women who are into that in general; mongoloids and asiatics are some of the most degenerate creatures known to man, more degenerate and vile then even the worst albinos. They all look the same, and look like they have permanent down syndrome and that someone punched their face at child birth; at yet all these asiatics think that they are white and want to kiss up to Whites all day.
Something is going on and went on in Asia; all sorts of bizarre and confusing stuff and all sorts of **** has come out of Asia that has unfortunately, been of a detriment to the rest of the planet.
We got the Eurasian albino's, the black death, the plague virus, modern racism and racist color based rigid hierarchies and societies, genocidal horse nomadic peoples, the Asian carp and insects, and all sorts of crazy bizarre ****.
Maybe the Ancient Egyptians were right, when they degraded and talked **** about Asiatics, and Asiatics being some sort of a blight and invasive force on the then civilized world....
I don't like Asiatics, Mongoloid chinks/gooks and people who are enamored with them. Call me a bigot or racist all you want, but my sentiments are based on cold hard experience...
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: Maybe the Ancient Egyptians were right, when they degraded and talked **** about Asiatics, and Asiatics being some sort of a blight and invasive force on the then civilized world....
. When Egyptians mentioned "Asiatics" they meant the Hebrews and other Amorites in the Levant. The Egyptians may not have known of the kingdoms in the far east. According to Herodotus, the furthest East the Egyptians traveled was to Colchis on the eastern shore of the Black Sea.
When you analyze Indian behavior you must remember that you are dealing with three distinct communities, and a culture that invented the cruel custom of "Untouchables".
The White ones are descendants of the Aryans who invaded from Central Asia circa 1,500 B.C. Though they did not conquer the entire subcontinent, they did managed to hold on to the north after Blacks re-established control.
Above we see the Albino and the Dravidian.
Then there is the Hindu "Mulatto".
They are the ones you generally get the racial nonsense - like skin bleaching from.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Just to show you how far India's Blacks have fallen:
I assume because of those two hundred years of British rule.
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Posted by Punos_Rey (Member # 21929) on :
"Btw - my problem with Africans is that they are often unnecessarily ignorant and unthinking. Can't wait to hear your point. "
The irony here is remarkable.
And it'd also help if you actually posted actual North Indians of the kind meant when the Greeks/Romans called them "less sunburnt" than the Aethiopians
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Punos_Rey: "Btw - my problem with Africans is that they are often unnecessarily ignorant and unthinking. Can't wait to hear your point. "
The irony here is remarkable.
And it'd also help if you actually posted actual North Indians of the kind meant when the Greeks/Romans called them "less sunburnt" than the Aethiopians
. Okay I get it:
You are another ignorant asshole who knows what somebody else meant thousands of years ago, but can't seem to figure out what you mean.
Go back to lurking, you have nothing to offer.
Posted by Punos_Rey (Member # 21929) on :
Considering the words used I'd take a solid bet I'm more correct than you. But I guess when you got hating albinos on the brain things get foggy.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Punos_Rey: And it'd also help if you actually posted actual North Indians of the kind meant when the Greeks/Romans called them "less sunburnt" than the Aethiopians
. In dismissing the pedestrian nonsense of your post, I initially missed one important aspect of you post.
That is the continuing Albino falsification of (Aethiopia = Classical Greek term) = Ethiopia = "Burnt face").
Before we understood that the ancient Greeks were Black people, that lie made sense.
But now we understand it to be just more Albino Fantasy, Lie, and Falsification.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
As is the case for many things:
Now that Blacks have started to take control of their own history, and are doing their own research:
Albinos are having to "Walk Back" some of their lies. .
Ethiop (n.) Look up Ethiop at Dictionary.com late 14c., from Latin Æthiops "Ethiopian, negro," from Greek Aithiops, long supposed in popular etymology to be from aithein "to burn" + ops "face" (compare aithops "fiery-looking," later "sunburned").
Who the Homeric Æthiopians were is a matter of doubt. The poet elsewhere speaks of two divisions of them, one dwelling near the rising, the other near the setting of the sun, both having imbrowned visages from their proximity to that luminary, and both leading a blissful existence, because living amid a flood of light; and, as a natural concomitant of a blissful existence, blameless, and pure, and free from every kind of moral defilement. [Charles Anthon, note to "The First Six Books of Homer's Iliad," 1878]
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
From: Monmouth College, Illinois.
Homer on the Ethiopians - Translation by Robert Fagles (1933–2008) Prinston University
From both his works - The Iliad and The Odyssey
Iliad 1.423-4 (Thetis is speaking to Achilles.)
Only yesterday Zeus went off to the Ocean River
to feast with the Aethiopians, loyal, lordly men,
and all of the gods went with him.
Iliad 23.205-207 (Iris is speaking to the winds.)
No time for sitting now. No, I must return
to the Ocean’s running stream, the Aethiopians’ land.
They are making a splendid sacrifice to the gods—
I must not miss my share of the sacred feast.
Odyssey 1.21-25
But now
Poseidon had gone to visit the Ethiopians worlds away,
Ethiopians off at the farthest limits of mankind,
a people split in two, one part where the Sungod sets
and part where the Sungod rises. There Poseidon went
to receive an offering, bulls and rams by the hundred—
far away at the feast the Sea-lord sat and took his pleasure.
Odyssey 4.81-84 (Menelaus is speaking to Telemachus)
Believe me,
much I suffered, many a mile I roved to haul
such treasures home in my ships. Eight years out,
wandering off as far as Cyprus, Phoenicia, even Egypt,
I reached the Ethiopians, Sidonians, Erembians—Libya too.
Odyssey 5.281-287
But now Poseidon, god of the earthquake, saw him—
just returning home from his Ethiopian friends,
from miles away on the Solymi mountain-range
he spied Odysseus sailing down the sea
and it made his fury boil even more.
He shook his head and rumbled to himself,
“Outrageous! Look how the gods have changed their minds
about Odysseus—while I was off with my Ethiopians. . . .”
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Question:
How did those fuching lying degenerate bastards of Albinos get Black or "Burnt Face" from any of the Above?????
It's axiomatic, whatever the Albinos say MUST be checked and double checked!
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Anyone doubting the truth of what I say can check for themselves. MIT has online translations of both the Iliad and Odyssey.
Note - for some reason, the translator Samuel Butler uses the Roman name for Greek gods:
Neptune was the god of freshwater and the sea in Roman religion. He is the counterpart of the Greek god Poseidon.
Malaika Maoh Eyoh, a 17-year-old student at the prestigious Pretoria high school for girls, remembers the first time she was told by a teacher that her afro was “distracting others from learning”.
She said the comment was “aggressive”, and made her feel “really scared to come to school”. With her hair now braided, Eyoh was one of more than 100 young women to protest against the school for allegedly forcing black students to straighten their hair.
Imagine that: a fucking Albino telling that to a Black student in a Black country!
And then some give me wrong for saying that I have "No respect for Africans". Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
Yes,those Africans behavior borders on stupid at times but you to have realize that they had many ethnic groups sense the species began and how they settle things is different from whites,i feel they lack the sense to see that whites or any foreigners are a problem or can be problematic and that they are no more violent then the needs call for.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
for real
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [ []Imagine that: a fucking Albino telling that to a Black student in a Black country!
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Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
Mike, expand your mind and be objective and balanced in your analysis of Negroes. African Negroes are quite pathetic, but let's not get it twisted, US Negroes are just as mentally dysfunctional as the bottom tier Negroes they left behind in Africa.
Like a the NFL and NBA. This mulattoe refuses to salute the flag due to US racism and the other NFL Negroes stand up and salute the Pro-Slavery/Apartheid/Racism/Sexism/Ageism anthem of the United States.
Be honest in what psychological illness spring from 400 years of captivity/enslavement/indoctrination?
White folks researched Stockholm when one of their children was indoctrinated by the SLA. Other than Dr. DeGruy, what other Negro psychiatrist is devoted to understanding and developing cures for the misshaped, misinformed and very ignorant Negro mind? Other than the Nation Of Islam, NONE!
Plain and simple, African Negroes are in the exact same boat as US and UK Negroes. At the bottom of the barrel. The only difference is, US Negroes have no country of their own. If asked, they'll stupidly say they are America although they get out performed by 1st generation foreigners in their so-called country.
African Negroes have their own continent, but as in the past. they are too ignorant to comprehend what they need to do to keep it.
The strange thing about US Negroes is that their path to real freedom is really quite simple. All they need do is organize and not spend their money for 1 week to bring Wall street to it's knees. But US Negroes are so ignorant and clueless, you can't even get them to organize to stop buying for 1 day, not to mention 1 week.
Africans are definitely not alone in their mental entropy.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^What you say about the condition of American Negroes is true. But be fair to me, I castigate ALL Negroes - including American - when I catch them fuching up.
Also America has thinking Black people, a lot of them. That is it's saving grace.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^What you say about the condition of American Negroes is true. But be fair to me, I castigate ALL Negroes - including American - when I catch them fuching up.
Also America has thinking Black people, a lot of them. That is it's saving grace.
Africa has thinking Negroes also. They are a large part of America's brain drain of other countries. The difference is, why Chinese come to the US for education, work, and experience, they gain it before taking it back to China to benefit their countries. Africans, and African Americans have zero loyalty to Africa and once the migrate to the US, The UK or Europe, they never use their gained education or experience for Africa's benefit. A prime example is Charles Taylor.
Even a child should comprehend how important the African Union is to Africa's future, but Africans lack a child's intelligence, so they elected a female to be in charge of what should be Africa's War Consul.
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
Not in this argument, but a mention:
Mike111: "That is the continuing Albino falsification of (Aethiopia = Classical Greek term) = Ethiopia = "Burnt face").
Before we understood that the ancient Greeks were Black people, that lie made sense.
But now we understand it to be just more Albino Fantasy, Lie, and Falsification. "
- - - My interpretation of Ethiopia/Aethiopia: -thiop- = high up = identical to Tian(Chinese) = celestial = Zion(Hebrew) = on high. Ethiopians are highlanders.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by DD'eDeN: My interpretation of Ethiopia/Aethiopia: -thiop- = high up = identical to Tian(Chinese) = celestial = Zion(Hebrew) = on high. Ethiopians are highlanders.
. Odyssey 1.21-25
But now
Poseidon had gone to visit the Ethiopians worlds away,
Ethiopians off at the farthest limits of mankind,
a people split in two, one part where the Sungod sets
and part where the Sungod rises. There Poseidon went
to receive an offering, bulls and rams by the hundred—
far away at the feast the Sea-lord sat and took his pleasure.
Come-on DD'eDeN, can't you stop being a gadfly and straighten up and fly right?
I was hoping that someone would try to figure out what Homer was talking about. Obviously you are not the one to do it. Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
Mike111, it is obvious, seeing sun at dawn/dusk means you are arisen to mountaintop level, exposed to the sun; something that our ancestral pygmies in the tropical rainforest rarely witnessed, but open-sky people later became enthralled by.
Legesse said that in Tigrinha/Amharina languages, Ethiopia is called Tabiya. That fits Nubia and Libya in rhythm, and parallels the Sioux Indian tribe:
Nubia/Tabia/Libia = 3 bands of NE Africa 'tribe' NTL(uai)bia = Ndula(Bambuti pygmy:interior/under) + bia (??)[Note: Ota Benga, the Pygmy displayed at zoo, his actual name was Bye Otai Mbenga].
Nakota/Dakota/Lakota = 3 bands of Sioux tribe = NDL(a)kota = Ndula(Mbuti pygmy: interior/under) + cote/goati/Coat(skin of bison). These bands lived in open-sky plains (steppe/savanna/prairie) inside buffalo hide tipis.
Tipi/Top links to Bantu Topan(Canopy/Sky god) and to both Tabiya/Ethiopia and to (English) taupe (gray with brown) & tawny/fauna/aura as related to the dawn, likely linked to (Z)oroaster =(Z)AurAvestan (related to but distinct from Vedas).
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
@Narmerthoth, Mike, on the issue of who is more progressive ? Africans of the continent or of the Americas? I sometimes wonder was it the strongest and mentally fittest made it across the Atlantic. Thus we are the best and brightest? When we consider Malcolm, Garvey, H Madubuti, Fannon, CLR, Rodney, Toure, Rogers, H Clarke, Rogers etc compared to Diop, I wonder why not more came from the continent? Sage?
I look at the fanatical following in these churches by Africans . I wonder , what is wrong with these people? Amerikans are religious but not fanatical.
Were the dumbest left behind or were the dumbest dupe into slavery and transported to the Americas. Why can't these people get their act together . Amerikans depending on them. Only time "blacks" will get respect is when Africa gets respect .
Do Diosporans understand the devious whiteman more than Africans?
Posted by sudaniya (Member # 15779) on :
Mike is entirely right... we Africans can't be accorded respect when we can't even feed ourselves, despite the fact that we live in a continent with more arable land than Asia -- a continent millions of kilometer square larger than Africa.
We butcher ourselves in the millions and allow millions of our people (particularly women and children) to needlessly die from hunger, dirty water, malaria, infant mortality, HIV-AIDS and innumerable other blights that other regions of the world manage so much better than us.
Our response to Ebola was pitiful. Indigenous South Africans murdered other Africans for apparently stealing their jobs while Whites live on the best (stolen) land in South Africa and still lord over them in business and industry.
We are an embarrassment and a source of shame to the diaspora in North America, Latin America the Caribbean and the world over. If we were deserving of respect we would be united, wealth and strong and could provide for the diaspora. Imagine if Africa was wealth enough to not only provide for its people, but could provide universal healthcare and education to the whole diaspora.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
I agreed with everything you said, until the statement below: That's when I realized that you were being "Sarcastic".
But I wasn't!
quote:Originally posted by sudaniya: Imagine if Africa was wealth enough to not only provide for its people, but could provide universal healthcare and education to the whole diaspora.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: @Narmerthoth, Mike, on the issue of who is more progressive ? Africans of the continent or of the Americas? I sometimes wonder was it the strongest and mentally fittest made it across the Atlantic. Thus we are the best and brightest? When we consider Malcolm, Garvey, H Madubuti, Fannon, CLR, Rodney, Toure, Rogers, H Clarke, Rogers etc compared to Diop, I wonder why not more came from the continent? Sage?
I look at the fanatical following in these churches by Africans . I wonder , what is wrong with these people? Amerikans are religious but not fanatical.
Were the dumbest left behind or were the dumbest dupe into slavery and transported to the Americas. Why can't these people get their act together . Amerikans depending on them. Only time "blacks" will get respect is when Africa gets respect .
Do Diosporans understand the devious whiteman more than Africans?
xyyman - Do you realize that you are implying that All Blacks came to the Americas as Slaves 500 years ago?
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
Yes,we know that's not true but we need a common ground to develop before we expose more white lies.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Let me retreat…. for now. I haven’t seriously looked into the percentage or quantity of Afrikans in America that came as “non-slaves”. Ashamedly I am going by what I was taught in school. Yes, there is a possibility that some blacks in the Americas are NOT chattel slavery descended but I am unsure of the percentages. I agree some blacks in post-Moor Europe may be “indigenous” being that Africa is ONLY 7-8 miles from Europe!!!! If some North Africans are indigenous blacks then another 7-8 miles away blacks WILL be found.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
The other question to ask. Were black nobility? Definitely they were not scorned upon in Europe looking at the European artwork and this goes back to ancient Greece. Was Sage correct? Why isn’t this “documented” post-Moor, the visuals(artwork) tell a story that blacks were part of nobility.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Damn - Negroes never cease to amaze me.
Clearly still can't get their minds around it.
MOM et al - African Slave descendants?
Posted by sudaniya (Member # 15779) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: I agreed with everything you said, until the statement below: That's when I realized that you were being "Sarcastic".
But I wasn't!
quote:Originally posted by sudaniya: Imagine if Africa was wealth enough to not only provide for its people, but could provide universal healthcare and education to the whole diaspora.
Posted by sudaniya (Member # 15779) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: I agreed with everything you said, until the statement below: That's when I realized that you were being "Sarcastic".
But I wasn't!
quote:Originally posted by sudaniya: Imagine if Africa was wealth enough to not only provide for its people, but could provide universal healthcare and education to the whole diaspora.
I was not being remotely "sarcastic". What kind of creature would joke about this? I swear that I am not. I truly feel that Africans (the diaspora included) should care for each other.
Once Sudan gets its act together, I would love to repatriate the "Akhdam" from Yemen into Sudan so that their humiliation ends.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by sudaniya: Once Sudan gets its act together, I would love to repatriate the "Akhdam" from Yemen into Sudan so that their humiliation ends.
Never heard of them, so I wikied.
Al-Akhdam, Akhdam or Achdam, meaning "servant" in Arabic; also called Al-Muhamasheen, "the marginalized ones") is a minority social group in Yemen. Although the Akhdams are Arabic-speaking Muslims just like any other Yemeni, they are considered to be at the very bottom of the supposedly abolished caste ladder, are socially segregated, and are mostly confined to menial jobs in the country's major cities. According to official estimates, the Akhdam numbered between 500,000 and 3,500,000 individuals.
The exact origins of Al-Akhdam are uncertain. One popular belief holds that they are descendants of Nilotic Sudanese people who accompanied the Abyssinian army during the latter's occupation of Yemen in the pre-Islamic period. Once the Abyssinian troops were finally expelled at the start of the Muslim era, some of the Sudanese migrants are said to have remained behind, giving birth to the Akhdam people. This belief, however, was denied and described as a myth by Hamud al-Awdi, a professor of sociology at Sana University.
Anthropology
Another theory maintains that they are of Veddoid origin. The Akhdam are generally shorter and darker than typical Yemenis, and can also be distinguished from the majority by its members' Veddoid-like physical features and stature. Genetic studies by Lehmann (1954) and Tobias (1974) further noted the sickle cell trait at high frequencies amongst the Akhdam. According to Lehmann, this suggests a biological link with the Veddoids of South Asia, who also have a high incidence of the trait.
Societal Discrimination in Yemen
Anthropologists such as Vombruck postulate that Yemen's history and social hierarchy that developed under various regimes, including the Zaydi Imamate, had created a hereditary caste-like society. Till today, the Al-Akhdam people exists at the very bottom of Yemeni social strata.
Social Conditions
The Al-Akhdam community suffers from extreme discrimination, persecution, and social exclusion from the mainstream Yemeni society. The contempt for the Akhdam people is expressed by a traditional Yemeni proverb:
"Clean your plate if it is touched by a dog, but break it if it's touched by a Khadem.″
Though their social conditions have improved somewhat in modern times, Al-Akhdam are still stereotyped by mainstream Yemeni society; they have been called lowly, dirty and immoral. Intermarriages between the conventional Yemeni society with the Akhdam community are taboo and virtually prohibited, as the Al-Akhdam are deemed as untouchables. Men who do marry into the community risk banishment by their families.
Economic Status
In the face of extreme societal discrimination, the Al-Akhdam people are forced to work menial and dirty jobs such as sweeping, shoe-making and the cleaning of latrines, vocations for which they are still known to this day. Those who are unemployed, most of whom are women, usually resort to begging.
Even the Akhdam people who are employed are not spared from discrimination. Akhdam street sweepers are rarely granted contracts even after decades of work, despite the fact that all Yemeni civil servants are supposed to be granted contracts after six months. They receive no benefits, and almost no time off.
The Akhdam reside in slum districts that are generally isolated from the rest of Yemeni society. It is next to impossible for the Akhdam people to afford shelter with even the most basic amenities such as electricity, running water and sewage system. Accordingly, Akhdam generally live in small huts haphazardly built of wood and cloth.
Distribution
Most Al-Akhdam live in segregated slums on the outskirts of Yemen's main urban centers. Many of them reside in the capital Sana'a. Others can also be found in Aden, Ta'izz, Lahij, Abyan, Al Hudaydah and Al Mukalla.
Demographics According to official estimates, the Akhdam numbered around 500,000 individuals in 2004. Other estimates put their number at over 3.5 million residents in 2013, out of a total Yemeni population of around 22 million.
The Australoid race is a broad racial classification. The concept originated with a typological method of racial classification. They were described as having dark skin with wavy hair, in the case of the Veddoid race of South Asia (including the eponymous Vedda people indigenous to Sri Lanka) and Aboriginal Australians, or hair ranging from straight to kinky in the case of the Melanesian group.
According to this typology, Australoid peoples often mixed with other races (mostly Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid) range throughout Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, Cambodia, Sri Lanka, East Timor, West Timor, Australia, Papua-New Guinea, Melanesia, the Andaman Islands, Afghanistan, the Indian peninsula, as well as parts of the Middle East, and historically in Japan.
In the Out of Africa theory, the ancestors of the Australoids, the Proto-Australoids, are thought to have been the first branch off from the Proto-Capoids to migrate from Africa about 60,000 BCE. This migration is hypothesized to have taken place along the now submerged continental shelf of the northern shore of the Indian Ocean, reaching Australia about 50,000 BCE. However, the suggested Proto-Australoid–Proto-Capoid link has been contested.
History
Australoid distribution according to the Meyers Konversations-Lexikon (1885-90).
In the late nineteenth century, anthropometric studies led to a proposition of racial groups, one of which was termed "Australioid" by Thomas Huxley in an essay 'On the Geographical Distribution of the Chief Modifications of Mankind' (1870), in which he divided humanity into four principal groups (Xanthochroic, Mongoloid, Negroid, and Australioid).
Huxley also concluded that the Melanochroi (Peoples of the Mediterranean race) are of a mixture of the Xanthochroi (northern Europeans) and Australioids. Later writers dropped the first "i" in Australioid, establishing Australoid as the standard spelling.
According to the Archaeologist Peter Bellwood, "many of the present Southern Mongoloid populations of Indonesia and Malaysia also have a high degree of Australo-Melanesian genetic heritage."
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Al-Akhdam, Akhdam or Achdam .
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
My dear sudaniya, is there no end to the lack of common sense in the African?
Is there no lie or nonsense the Albinos can tell you, that you will not believe?
In other words, how can the title of this thread be wrong?
I will explain....
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
History of Yemen - Wiki
Yemen is one of the oldest centers of civilization in the Near East. Its relatively fertile land and adequate rainfall in a moister climate helped sustain a stable population, a feature recognized by the ancient Greek geographer Ptolemy, who described Yemen as Eudaimon Arabia (better known in its Latin translation, Arabia Felix) meaning "fortunate Arabia" or Happy Arabia. Yemenis had developed the South Arabian alphabet by the 12th to 8th centuries BC, which explains why most historians date all of the ancient Yemeni kingdoms to that era.
Between the 12th century BC and the 6th century AD, it was dominated by six successive civilizations which rivaled each other, or were allied with each other and controlled the lucrative spice trade: Ma'in, Qataban, Hadhramaut, Awsan, Saba and Himyar. Islam arrived in AD 630, and Yemen became part of the Muslim realm.
With its long sea border between early civilizations, Yemen has long existed at a crossroads of cultures with a strategic location in terms of trade on the west of the Arabian Peninsula. Large settlements for their era existed in the mountains of northern Yemen as early as 5000 BC. Little is known about ancient Yemen and how exactly it transitioned from nascent Bronze Age civilizations to more trade-focussed caravan kingdoms. This may be due to social or official discouragement of research into pre-Islamic civilizations in Arabia.
The Sabaean Kingdom came into existence from at least the eleventh century BC. There were four major kingdoms or tribal confederations in South Arabia: Saba, Hadramout, Qataban and Ma'in. Saba is believed to be biblical Sheba and was the most prominent federation. The Sabaean rulers adopted the title Mukarrib generally thought to mean "unifier", or a "priest-king". The role of the Mukarrib was to bring the various tribes under the kingdom and preside over them all. The Sabaens built the Great Dam of Marib around 940 BC. The dam was built to withstand the seasonal flash floods surging down the valley.
Between 700 and 680 BC, the Kingdom of Awsan dominated Aden and its surroundings. Sabaean Mukarrib Karib'il Watar I changed his ruling title to that of a king, and conquered the entire realm of Awsan, expanding Sabaean rule and territory to include much of South Arabia. Lack of water in the Arabian Peninsula prevented the Sabaeans from unifying the entire peninsula. Instead, they established various colonies to control trade routes. Evidence of Sabaean influence is found in northern Ethiopia, where the South Arabian alphabet religion and pantheon, and the South Arabian style of art and architecture were introduced. The Sabaean created a sense of identity through their religion. They worshipped El-Maqah and believed themselves to be his children. For centuries, the Sabaeans controlled outbound trade across the Bab-el-Mandeb, a strait separating the Arabian Peninsula from the Horn of Africa and the Red Sea from the Indian Ocean
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^The Turks took over Islam around 1050 A.D. So I would suppose that is when the Albinos (ancestors of the modern non-Black people) started to arrive.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
As can be seen, the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula is equally divided between the countries of Yemen and Oman.
Because Yemen was taken over by Albinos and their Mulattoes (like the rest of the Middle East), it's history is now Albino Bullsh1t, so we will have to study it's racial demographics indirectly.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
BBC Article Early humans' route out of Africa 'confirmed'
A six-year effort to map the genetic patterns of humankind appears to confirm that early people first left Africa by crossing into Arabia. Ancestors of modern people in Europe, Asia and Oceania migrated along a southern route, not a northern route through Egypt as some had supposed. The results from the Genographic Project are published in the journal Molecular Biology and Evolution.
It suggests an important role for South Asia in the peopling of the world. The ancestors of present-day non-African people left their ancestral homeland some 70,000 years ago. The researchers found that Indian populations had more genetic diversity - which gives an indication of the age of a population - than either Europeans or East Asians.
This supports the idea that pioneering settlers followed a southern coastal route as they populated east Asia and continued into Oceania. "This suggests that other fields of research such as archaeology and anthropology should look for additional evidence on the migration route of early humans," said co-author Ajay Royyuru, senior manager at IBM's Computational Biology Center, which was involved in analysing the study data.
A route out of Africa via the Arabian Peninsula, along the southern coast of Asia, explained the observed patterns in genetic diversity much better than a route through Egypt's Sinai desert. This agrees with other evidence showing that sea levels might have been low enough around 60-70,000 years ago for humans to cross from the horn of Africa into Arabia via the Bab-el-Mandeb straits in the Red Sea.
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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Ancient Yemeni - note the nappy haired beard. .
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
OMAN
Now lets look at the Omani who share the land with the Yemeni. The Omani were not totally overrun by the Albinos, so they give a better idea of what the original people looked like.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
ZANZIBAR
Zanzibar was once East Africa's main slave-trading port, and under Omani Arabs in the 19th century as many as 50,000 slaves were passing through the city each year. Some historians estimate that between 11 and 18 million black African slaves crossed the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara Desert from 650 AD to 1900 AD, compared with the 9.4 to 12 million Africans who were taken to the Americas.
During the Age of Exploration, the Portuguese Empire was the first European power to gain control of Zanzibar, and the Portuguese kept it for nearly 200 years. In 1698, Zanzibar fell under the control of the Sultanate of Oman, which developed an economy of trade and cash crops with a ruling Arab elite. Plantations were developed to grow spices, hence the term Spice Islands. Another major trade good for Zanzibar was ivory. The Sultan of Zanzibar controlled a substantial portion of the East African coast, known as Zanj; this included Mombasa, Dar es Salaam, and trading routes that extended much further inland, such as the route leading to Kindu on the Congo River.
Sometimes gradually and sometimes by fits and starts, control of Zanzibar came into the hands of the British Empire; part of the political impetus for this was the 19th century movement for the abolition of the slave trade. The relationship between Britain and the nearest relevant colonial power, Germany, was formalized by the 1890 Heligoland-Zanzibar Treaty, in which Germany pledged not to interfere with British interests in insular Zanzibar. That year, Zanzibar became a protectorate (not a colony) of Britain. From 1890 to 1913, traditional viziers were appointed to govern as puppets, switching to a system of British residents (effectively governors) from 1913 to 1963.
Hamoud bin Mohammed Al-Said became sultan with the support of the British consul, Sir Basil Cave, upon the death of Hamad bin Thuwaini. Before he could enter the palace, another potential contender for the throne, Khalid bin Barghash, seized the palace and declared himself sultan. The British responded the next day, August 26, 1896, by issuing an ultimatum to Khalid and his entourage to evacuate the palace by 9:00 a.m. on August 27. When he refused, British warships fired on the palace and other strategic locations in the city, destroying them and causing Khalid and his group to flee.
According to the Guinness Book of World Records the resultant Anglo-Zanzibar War was the shortest war in history, and the same day Hamoud was able to assume the title of sultan, more indebted to the British than ever. Later Hamoud complied with British demands that slavery be banned in Zanzibar and that all the slaves be freed. For this he was decorated by Queen Victoria and his son and heir, Ali bin Hamud, was brought to England to be educated.
Current Sultan - Qaboos bin Said
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Past Zanzibar Sultans .
Sayyid Barghash bin Said Al-Busaid
Sayyid Hamad bin Thuwaini Al-Busaid
Sayyid Ali bin Hamud Al-Busaid
Sayyid Abdullah bin Khalifa Al-Said
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
YEMENI PEOPLE
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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Al-Akhdam, Akhdam or Achdam .
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: My dear sudaniya, is there no end to the lack of common sense in the African?
Is there no lie or nonsense the Albinos can tell you, that you will not believe?
In other words, how can the title of this thread be wrong?
I will explain....
. So then sudaniya, now that you have actual information, which seem more likely to be native to Yemen:
The current Turk Mulattoes...
Or the Akhdam?
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
It seems like the Akhdam confirms what I said about Islam being used as a cover for the caste system initiated by white Turks, in the Middle East.
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: I think the reason the Turks became secular was because they were actually smart enough to figure out that they could use Islam to dumb down and stupidify the masses of mulatto's and quadroon's they bred out of the Black populations of North Africa and the greater Middle East.
And because this entire area was mixed out by these masses and hordes of albino Eurasians in ancient times, they all suffered from identity and racial angst as a result afterwards, that contributed to them converting en masse to Islam and becoming stupid and brainless Islamo-fanatics, as for a purpose and direction in life.....
The Turk Eurasian Albino's became clever and picked up on all this eventually, since they ruled this entire region from North Africa to the Middle East, and had the Ottoman empire and all that; they began to understand the psyche of these insecure mixed masses of the Middle East, and they eventually began to decipher and learn how to control and use these masses of mulatto/quadroon populations to extort and cheat them and use them for their own ends....
Thus, the Turk Albino's began secretly and covertly inserting and promoting up, fellow near-white albino's and other Eurasian albino folks from the Middle East and North Africa regions, into positions of power, influence and authority in their empire; while shunning and discriminating against Black/colored North Africans and Middle Easterners, and putting them in the bottom of the social ladder.
They used Islam as a tool to distract native Black/colored's onto focusing on the "infidels" and trivial theism non-sense, and to stupidify and dumb down them, as well the mulatto masses of the Middle East regions. To basically hide the fact that the Albino Turks were secretly ruling them, oppressing them, discriminating against them, and using them for their own ends while not actually following any Islamic tenets at all.
They also created a bogus and fraudulent corrupted version of the original Islamic religion, that the Turk Albino's themselves created, to promote and solidify white albino supremacy and the Turk albino's power base in the Middle East and Northern Africa.
This can be seen in countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Qatar, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, the Emirate countries and most of the Arabian peninsula nations and the Iraq region. Where, TO THIS DAY< MOST OF THE RULERS AND UPPER CLASSES OF THOSE COUNTRIES/NATIONS ARE ACTUALLY EURASIAN ALBINO'S OR TURKIC/TURKISH DERIVED ALBINO'S!
And none of those presidents or princes or kings or prime ministers of those Middle Eastern and North African countries ACTUALLY FOLLOW OR PRACTICE THEIR VERSION OF ISLAM; while THEY PROMOTE AND PUSH DOWN ISLAM INSIDE THE THROATS OF THE MULATTO MIXED MASSES THAT THEY ARE RULING OVER IN THOSE COUNTRIES TO DUMB THEM DOWN AND PREVENT THEM FROM QUESTIONING THE TURKIC ALBINO RULE!
These Eurasian Albino Turks used their mulatto's, as cannon fodder to solidify and preserve their power base, using a religious interpretation and rationalization; and brainwashed their mulatto's masses into accepting it and projecting their anger at infidels and non-muslims and black/colored people; instead of the Turk albino themselves while secretly not following or accepting their own version of Islam at all.
Eventually the Turk albino's managed to brainwash their mulatto's masses into thinking their whiteness was a good thing and being Black/colored was akin to being inferior, and they used their version of Islam as a bandage and first aid kit, for their mulatto's to use whenever they came to being angry at the fact that they were at the bottom of the economical class and social ladder in contrast to the Turk albino's.
The Turk albino brainwashed the masses of their mulatto's into accepting their fraudulent version of Islam, because they knew these mulatto's and quadroon's were desperate for an identity and purpose, and would buy anything that their Turkic rulers sold to them in the form of religion, since they were racially mixed and their rulers were pure Albino Turks.
So the Turk Albino's went to work setting up a Hindu style caste system, with an Islamic twist and version and interpretation; where the Turk Albino's would not have to follow or uphold the strict tenets and fundamentals of their own version of Islam, and basically call the shots in their Turkish empire and the Middle East region; while their mulatto's would have to zealously uphold and follow their version of Islam and fight the infidels and do all the grunt/slave work for the Turkic albino rulers, and be dumbed down and brainwashed as a result.
Basically the region of Anatolia/modern Turkey became the parasite region, where the Turk Albino's set up their central command and power base, then they set up proxy Albino Eurasian Turkic rulers in North Africa and the Middle East, to rule over and control and extort and con and use the mulatto's masses that the Turkic albino's had created in those regions at the time of the start of the Ottoman empire; to uphold Turkic Albino rule and supremacy thinly disguised as Islam.
The region of Turkey would extort, rip off, steal, and take, acquire all the proceeds and goodies and produce, and production and economic activity, of their satellite Turkic vassal states and nations, in the other areas of Northern Africa and the Middle East that their empire got in control of.
But they also would have the PRIVILEGE AND LUXURY OF NOT HAVING TO ACTUALLY DO ANY WORK OR FOLLOW THEIR STRICT TENETS OF ISLAM, WHILE THEIR SLAVE STATES IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND COLONIES THAT TURKEY RULED OVER, WOULD DO ALL THE WORK AND PRODUCE ALL GOODS FOR THE TURKS IN TURKEY; the Turks basically set up a system where Turkey got everything while they gave nothing back to their colonies and their mulatto's, and the had the freedom to do whatever the **** they wanted in Turkey, including not actually following Islam.....
And thus this became the basis for Turkish secularism in Turkey, which was basically freedom for the Albino Turks to do whatever they wanted, while they pushed down Islam on their mulatto's and on black/colored subjects to obey them and do all the work and slave labor for them under the guise of an Islamic empire and Islamic brainwashing.
Religion was used to stupidify and mind control the masses by the Albino Turks while they enjoyed all the greatest luxuries and benefits that they conned their mulatto/colored subjects out of.
And thus an Islamic Hindu style caste system was born in the Middle East and North Africa region; with the Turkic Albino's and the majority albino Turkish regions at the top of the social and economical wealth ladder, and their mulatto/black colored majority countries and regions at the bottom.
and this continues on to this day...
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
But the reason why the Akhdam and why most of the native indigenous blacks are discriminated against in the Middle East and North Africa region, as in the Southern Asia region; is because of this reality and operation of the European albinos:
Please take note that countries like Yemen and Oman, and most of the Arabian peninsula, are pretty much really hot ass high sunlight places; these types of environments cannot support or allow a massive population of White Eurasians/Europeans, like the Turks/Turkics, to inhabit them, just like the Indian subcontinent:
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^The Albino have a modus operandi which is consistent and deserves analysis, but unfortunately we are not knowledgeable enough to do it here.
i.e. After they had established themselves in India, they established a class system which encouraged their mulattoes to join them against the indigenous Dravidians. That is the still existent Untouchables system.
In the Mid-east they established a similar system against Africans.
And of course we know of the de-humanizing of Blacks in the Americas.
Mike that is easy to figure out and there is historical evidence to prove what they do.
If you notice Europe and the Northern United states were majority albino and were actually pretty liberal as opposed to Southern countries occupied and ruled by albino's, to non-albino's historically.
This is because places like Europe are situated in latitudes and locations that have favorable climate and geography wise to breed a substantial portion of albino's.
HOWEVER the SOUTHERN/HOT COUNTRIES are UNFAVORABLE to breeding and maintaining large albino populations on a biological level. In these hot countries and strong sunlight locations, albino's have to MAKE OTHERS TAKE CARE OF THEM AND DO THE WORK FOR THEM!
The sun pretty much destroys and kills albino populations, and prevents them from creating many of themselves.
So to compensate, since albino's can't do the work or the building necessary to make large populations of themselves in hot climates, THEY HAVE TO CREATE OBEDIENT AND CONFUSED MULATTO'S TO TAKE CARE OF THEM, TO MAKE BLACK POPULATIONS DO THE WORK FOR THEM, AND TO KEEP THE POWER OF THE ALBINO'S INTACT IN THESE LOCATIONS!
In these hot climates and regions, the albino's feel biologically threatened and physically punished/helpless, so they have to create mulatto populations to survive and to adapt to the environment, help them represent their interests and self-preservation instincts.
It's why the albino's are so hostile, classicist, and narcissistic the most in these climate regions/zones in particular. It's also why as you go more north into the U.S, the albino populations increases exponentially.
What do the Middle East, South America, India, North Africa, the U.S south have in common? They are deeply and rigidly socially stratified societies/locations divided along the base of skin color and race.
They are also located in latitudes and locations UNFAVORABLE BIOLOGICALLY TOWARDS MAINTAINING AND BREEDING LARGE POPULATIONS OF ALBINO'S!
So albino's in order to compensate and adapt to such environments that blacks and browns have no trouble living in or adapting to, have to craft and create SPECIFIC socially engineered societies and systems that benefit them EXCLUSIVELY at the EXPENSE of blacks/browns; and where they can survive in these environments while parasitically sucking and taking away the produce of blacks/browns in these environments via the mulatto populations they create from blacks native to these areas.
Are these your thoughts on this too Mike?
One of the reasons why the albino's were successful in taking over Europe, BUT NOT INDIA HENCE THE SOCIAL CASTE SYSTEM, is because Europe had the perfect geography and weather+climate for albino's to biologically survive and breed a large population of themselves.
Whereas in India, which is too hot and unfavorable towards breeding albino colonies, you have a social stratified caste system that the albino's brainwashed the population with via religious Hindu BS, to consolidate and preserve their power their WHICH CONTINUES ON TO THIS DAY!'
There is a direct correlation between albino behavior and what they do, and the latitudes/geographical areas they live in or intrude into. I'm 100% sure and certain of this!
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
This isn't the first time Sudaniya proposed Akhdam repatriation and besides what I've just bumped, this query will direct those interested
site:egyptsearch.com akhdam
Lying half octoroon bastard claims never to have heard of the Akhdam and runs off to 'albino' authored Wiki.
Yet fact is his misanthropic ass had been right here on ES for 10 years while the Akhdam were discussed or mentioned.
Half octroon lies! Hee hee hee.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler:
Half octroon lies! Hee hee hee. [/QB]
stop the racial name calling, you look bad as he does
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: But the reason why the Akhdam and why most of the native indigenous blacks are discriminated against in the Middle East and North Africa region, as in the Southern Asia region; is because of this reality and operation of the European albinos:
Please take note that countries like Yemen and Oman, and most of the Arabian peninsula, are pretty much really hot ass high sunlight places; these types of environments cannot support or allow a massive population of White Eurasians/Europeans, like the Turks/Turkics, to inhabit them, just like the Indian subcontinent:
As best as I can figure, Black Yemeni and all other Arab, North African, Middle Eastern Blacks: are people, and descendants of people (MEN) who said NO to Albino Pussy.
I say that because the evidence is clear that the Turks "Pimped" out their Females. And then used their Mulatto offspring to take over Black countries and civilizations.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
^^^Yeah I proposed a similar idea before, it seems that all these White Eurasians "pimped out" BOTH their male and female populations so that they could take over places, and use their mulatto populations to take control of Black civilizations.
In Europe, we saw the various Slavic and Gothic tribes pimp out their women so that the most of the Southern Europe and North Africa region became mulatto-ized.
The Turks and Goths/Germanics pimped out their men, as "slave warriors", in the Iran and Levant and North Africa area, and the Southern Europe area until they eventually became powerful enough to over-throw black civilizations in these parts of the world.
Now it seems that both the Slavs and Turks and even the Goths pimped out their women and men, to take over and "infiltrate" civilizations and the ruling classes of many black/brown civilizations all over the world.
This pimping seems to be continuing today, with how the media/mainstream global culture pedestalizes white women and how the European albinos run a global prostitution and trafficking ring of White women worldwide....
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^The dynamic between Black Forefather and Mulatto grandchild is complex. In my experience it tends to favor the lighter side. Of course that may be because power lays with the lighter, and the Black defers to the lighter.
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Zacharie Noah (born 2 February 1937) is a Cameroonian former professional footballer who won the Coupe de France in 1961 with UA Sedan-Torcy.
Zacharie son Yannick Noah and HIS mother Marie
Yannick Noah and his Wife Isabelle
Grandson Joakim Noah and grandfather Zacharie.
Grandson Joakim Noah and his girlfriend.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler:
Half octroon lies! Hee hee hee.
stop the racial name calling, you look bad as he does [/QB]
Uh uhn, I'm one handsome red nigger. Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Two proud "conscious" octroons.....???
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
Tukuler is still one crazy, Albino Jew lackey Negro!
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: My dear sudaniya, is there no end to the lack of common sense in the African?
Is there no lie or nonsense the Albinos can tell you, that you will not believe?
In other words, how can the title of this thread be wrong?
I will explain....
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quote:So then sudaniya, now that you have actual information, which seem more likely to be native to Yemen:
The current Turk Mulattoes...
Or the Akhdam?
Except for MOM, none offered an opinion.
My, my, my.
I thought I made it pretty simple for you.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Punos_Rey: And it'd also help if you actually posted actual North Indians of the kind meant when the Greeks/Romans called them "less sunburnt" than the Aethiopians
. In dismissing the pedestrian nonsense of your post, I initially missed one important aspect of you post.
That is the continuing Albino falsification of (Aethiopia = Classical Greek term) = Ethiopia = "Burnt face").
Before we understood that the ancient Greeks were Black people, that lie made sense.
But now we understand it to be just more Albino Fantasy, Lie, and Falsification.
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Let us now deconstruct another bogus Albino translation.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Amenemhet I
It was Amenemhet I, the first ruler of the 12th Dynasty, (who may have been a usurper), that some Egyptologists credit with the full recovery from the First Intermediate Period and the transition into the Middle Kingdom. Which was a period of great prosperity. (Amenemhet I - was assassinated by his Bodyguards).
Senusret I
Apparently, his foresight in creating the co-regency with his son proved successful, for Senusret I, succeeded his father, and there seems to have been little or no disruption in the administration of the country. For this is first time that we know of in Egyptian history that a prince, Senusret I, was made a co-regent in the 20th year of Amenemhet I's rule, and so was by the time of his father's death he was firmly established as the heir to the throne. Therefore, regardless of the intentions of the conspirators, he managed to ascend the throne with little difficulty.
Senusret I probably ruled Egypt for a period of about 34 years after his father's death. This was a period in Egypt's history where literature and craftsmanship was at its peek. We believe he may have been a co-regent with his father for perhaps ten years. He probably ruled Egypt from about 1956 through 1911 B.C. It was a period of affluence, and a remarkable time for mineral wealth, gold and fine jewelry was produced in abundance. Jewelry masterpieces have been found, particularly in the tombs of the royal ladies at Dahshur and Lahun, attributable to his reign.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Colchis
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The Eastern Black Sea region was home to the well-developed bronze age culture, known as the Colchian culture. In at least some parts of Colchis, the process of urbanization seems to have been well advanced by the end of the second millennium B.C, centuries before Greek settlement. The Colchian Late Bronze Age (15th to 8th Centurys B.C.) saw the development of significant skill in the smelting and casting of metals, that began long before this skill was mastered in Europe. Sophisticated farming implements were made, and the fertile, well-watered lowlands with their mild climate, promoted the growth of progressive agricultural techniques.
According to Greek mythology, Colchis was a fabulously wealthy land situated on the mysterious periphery of the heroic world. Here in the sacred grove of the war god Ares, King Aeëtes hung the Golden Fleece until it was seized by Jason and the Argonauts. Colchis was also the land where the mythological Prometheus was punished by being chained to a mountain while an eagle ate at his liver, for revealing to humanity the secret of fire. The Amazons also were said to be from Colchis. The main mythical characters from Colchis are Aeëtes, Medea, Absyrtus, Chalciope, Circe, Eidyia, Pasiphaë.
In about 730 B.C, Colchis was overrun by the White Kurgan tribes called Cimmerians and Scythians. But they appear to have done little permanent damage.
In about 600 B.C, the advanced economy of Colchis soon attracted the attention of the Milesian (White) Greeks in Anatolia (Turkey), who colonized the Colchian coast and established trading posts at Phasis, Gyenos, and Sukhumi.
In about 580 B.C, the kingdom came under the control of (probably by the dating); King Astyages of the Median Empire. Which would soon become part of the first Persian Empire under Cyrus II, the Great. (The Sassanian was the second Persian Empire).
Herodotus in Book 3 says: The tribes living in southern Colchis (the Tibareni, Mossynoeci, Macrones, Moschoi, and Marres) were incorporated in the 19th Satrapy of the Persian King Darius; while the northern tribes submitted “voluntarily” and had to send to the Persian court 100 girls and 100 boys in every 5 years.
The Tibareni - Called Tubal by Josephus Flavius (see below) - He identifies them with the (Eastern) Iberians and Cappadocians.
The Macrones (Makrones) were an original Colchian tribe.
The Moschoi - Josephus Flavius identified the Moschoi with the Biblical Meshech. Meshech is named with Tubal (and Rosh, in certain translations) as principalities of "Gog, prince of Magog" in Ezekiel 38:2 and 39:1, and is considered a Japhetite tribe, identified by Flavius Josephus with the Cappadocian Moschoi (Mushki, also associated with Phrygians or Bryges) and their capital Mazaca. Another Meshech is named as a son of Aram in 1 Chronicles 1:17 (corresponding to the form Mash in Genesis 10). In Hippolytus of Rome's chronicle (234 AD), the "Illyrians" were identified as Meshech's offspring. In addition, Georgians have traditions that they, and other Caucasus people including Armenians, share descent from Meshech.
The Mossynoeci - (Greek word Mossynoikoi "dwellers in wooden towers"). The Greeks of the Black Sea area applied it to the peoples of Pontus, on the northern Anatolian coast.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Herodotus on Colchis
The ethnic composition of the Colchians, as described by Herodotus - was Egyptian. Remnants of the army of Senusret I (1971 to 1926 B.C. - Greek Sesostris also Senwosret) who was the second king of the 12th Dynasty.
Quote: Passing over these monarchs, therefore, I shall speak of the king who reigned next, whose name was Sesostris. He, the priests said, first of all proceeded in a fleet of ships of war from the Arabian gulf along the shores of the Erythraean sea, subduing the nations as he went, until he finally reached a sea which could not be navigated by reason of the shoals. Hence he returned to Egypt, where, they told me, he collected a vast armament, and made a progress by land across the continent, conquering every people which fell in his way.
In the countries where the natives withstood his attack, and fought gallantly for their liberties, he erected pillars, on which he inscribed his own name and country, and how that he had here reduced the inhabitants to subjection by the might of his arms: where, on the contrary, they submitted readily and without a struggle, he inscribed on the pillars, in addition to these particulars, an emblem to mark that they were a nation of women, that is, unwarlike and effeminate.
[2.103] In this way he traversed the whole continent of Asia, whence he passed on into Europe, and made himself master of Scythia and of Thrace, beyond which countries I do not think that his army extended its march.
For thus far the pillars which he erected are still visible, but in the remoter regions they are no longer found. Returning to Egypt from Thrace, he came, on his way, to the banks of the river Phasis. Here I cannot say with any certainty what took place. Either he of his own accord detached a body of troops from his main army and left them to colonise the country, or else a certain number of his soldiers, wearied with their long wanderings, deserted, and established themselves on the banks of this stream.
[2.104] There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race. Before I heard any mention of the fact from others, I had remarked it myself. After the thought had struck me, I made inquiries on the subject both in Colchis and in Egypt, and I found that the Colchians had a more distinct recollection of the Egyptians, than the Egyptians had of them. Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too; but further and more especially, on the circumstance that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians (Nubians) , are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times.
Apollonius of Rhodes states that the Egyptians of Colchis preserved as heirlooms a number of wooden tablets showing Seas and Highways with considerable accuracy.
Apollonius of Rhodes, also known as Apollonius Rhodius, after 246 B.C, was a librarian at the Library of Alexandria. He is best known for his epic poem the Argonautica, which told the mythological story of Jason and the Argonauts' quest for the Golden Fleece. He did not come from Rhodes, but was a Greek Egyptian. Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Did everyone see how the Albinos used seemingly innocent and indirect wording, in their translation of Herodotus, to further their degenerate, lying, historical ambitions? Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Quote:
[2.104] There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race. Before I heard any mention of the fact from others, I had remarked it myself. After the thought had struck me, I made inquiries on the subject both in Colchis and in Egypt, and I found that the Colchians had a more distinct recollection of the Egyptians, than the Egyptians had of them. Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too; but further and more especially, on the circumstance that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians (Nubians), are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times.
Above in the highlighted text, the Albinos are careful to imply that Black skin and Woolly hair describes OTHERS, not Greeks. Which is of course a lie, Greeks were Black people, no doubt many with Woolly hair.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Two proud "conscious" octroons.....???
Nope, wrong on both counts.
The comic book writer is a self admitted half octoroon.
I am 'pure' but in your native hemisphere they'd label me zambo. Not all red niggers are redbone.
Besides meaning an African ripe for slavery it also denotes you guys (Xyyman, NoMore Tooth, etc.) who're stripped of all your Africanity except, we assume, your physical body as doc ben Jochannan put it
[2.104] There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race. Before I heard any mention of the fact from others, I had remarked it myself. After the thought had struck me, I made inquiries on the subject both in Colchis and in Egypt, and I found that the Colchians had a more distinct recollection of the Egyptians, than the Egyptians had of them. Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too; but further and more especially, on the circumstance that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians (Nubians), are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times.
Above in the highlighted text, the Albinos are careful to imply that Black skin and Woolly hair describes OTHERS, not Greeks. Which is of course a lie, Greeks were Black people, no doubt many with Woolly hair.
The incredible genius of MIke
There was magical spell cast on Greeks so that they couldn't make small stauettes of non-Greeks
this 8 inch statuette was not made by Greeks. It was made by Romans, MIke's lying again and is not even original. It's a copy
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
Tabe(Japanese) eat (table) ~ tablelands of Ethiopia highlands
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
A Gallo-Roman bronze of an African youth, thought to be a copy of a Hellenistic statuette of an Ethiopian , 3rd century BC, 20 centimeters One of 18 statuettes found at Chalon-sur-Saone, France in 1763. Biblotheque Nationale, Paris Inv. 1009 _____________________________________
^^ example of a competent caption, giving you the full information, location, museum etc, so you can look it up yourself instead of MIke leaving out explanation purposely to try to spoon feed you information with his spin on it
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Both of the forums resident degenerate idiots have chosen to visit this thread - lucky us.
In keeping with sensible procedure, they will both be ignored. Anyone wishing to converse with them is encouraged to start a new thread.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^ Mike has been caught LYING
So now he tells you to ignore his debunking because he's embarrassed
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Both of the forums resident degenerate idiots have chosen to visit this thread - lucky us.
In keeping with sensible procedure, they will both be ignored. Anyone wishing to converse with them is encouraged to start a new thread.
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
the lioness, I see your caption but not the photo, rather I see a white box:
"HOSTED ON EPHOTOBAY.COM TEMPORARILY UNAVAILABLE"
Clicking on it still doesn't get the photo, just some info.
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Mike111: "^Both of the forums resident degenerate idiots have chosen to visit this thread - lucky us."
Sorry, I thought I was helping. I will refrain from commenting on all your threads.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by DD'eDeN: the lioness, I see your caption but not the photo, rather I see a white box:
"HOSTED ON EPHOTOBAY.COM TEMPORARILY UNAVAILABLE"
Clicking on it still doesn't get the photo, just some info.
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Mike111: "^Both of the forums resident degenerate idiots have chosen to visit this thread - lucky us."
Sorry, I thought I was helping. I will refrain from commenting on all your threads.
I can see it right now, some of the mobile devices, Ipads cant read it but I posted the caption verbatim as text:
A Gallo-Roman bronze of an African youth, thought to be a copy of a Hellenistic statuette of an Ethiopian , 3rd century BC, 20 centimeters One of 18 statuettes found at Chalon-sur-Saone, France in 1763. Biblotheque Nationale, Paris Inv. 1009
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Realizing few of you know ancient history:
GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATIONS Possible place made: Turkey Place made: Provenance not known DATES late 2nd century B.C.E. PERIOD Ptolemaic Period MEDIUM Marble, "Bigio Morata" (Black Marble)
2) Again you assume that Greeks could not depict an African. When you look at thousands of Greek artifacts you realize this, that Europeans including Greeks are capable of depicting foreigners in their art
So you labeling this provenance not known sculpture as a Greek man is in denial of the African presence in the Ptolemaic Kingdom
"And who hasn't seen this Greek Pharaoh or this Greek Priest: passed-off as Egyptians?"
So you look very silly saying that and then at same time captioning the dreaded dude above as Greek man, 200 B.C.
and this at the same time you say that Greece was taken over by white invading Hellenes in 1,200 BC while the Ptolomic period is afr after that, 305 BC–30 BC
So none of this adds up and you can't be taken seriously. Your scams are not even good scams
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Preacher feared of losing choir.
So what else is new?
He's used to sheep and posters who know better but will keep silent in the insane belief he's compartmentalized having no effect on surfers appraisal of ES as a whole.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^ Mike has been caught LYING
So now he tells you to ignore his debunking because he's embarrassed
A group of people were travelling in a boat. One of them took to drilling a hole under his own seat.
Those concerned shouted "Why are you doing this?" He, and some others, retorted: "What concern is it of yours? Aint i drilling under my own place?"
The sensible ones replied: "But he'll flood the boat for us all! Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Translation: Please don't scrutinize me you know I won't hold up. Now repeat after me 'Yes Mike, I believe. To hell with the facts. The gas in our tanks is not fossil fuel. Dinosaur bones are the Devil's own!'
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: I repeat:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Both of the forums resident degenerate idiots have chosen to visit this thread - lucky us.
In keeping with sensible procedure, they will both be ignored. Anyone wishing to converse with them is encouraged to start a new thread.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
DD'eDeN - I was not referring to you.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
quote:Originally posted by DD'eDeN:
Mike111: "^Both of the forums resident degenerate idiots have chosen to visit this thread - lucky us."
Sorry, I thought I was helping. I will refrain from commenting on all your threads.
Why? You have just as much right to comment as he does to post. He doesn't run ES. So go on and do your thing and do it 'till you're satisfied!
Posted by sudaniya (Member # 15779) on :
Mike
I (more than you) am aware that there are indigenous black people in the Arabian Peninsula (like the Mahrah) of Al Mahrah, Socotra and Ḥaḍramawt and the Tihamah in the Land of the Two Holy Mosques, but you seem to think that every non-black tribe in Arabia (and everywhere it seems) is a Turk -- the omnipresent people that have somehow demographically replaced every Nation discussed here and assumed their identities.
I will defer to infinitely more intelligent (and crucially sane) posters like Swenet and Tukuler before I defer to you on anything relating to history.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by sudaniya: Mike
I (more than you) am aware that there are indigenous black people in the Arabian Peninsula (like the Mahrah) of Al Mahrah, Socotra and Ḥaḍramawt and the Tihamah in the Land of the Two Holy Mosques, but you seem to think that every non-black tribe in Arabia (and everywhere it seems) is a Turk -- the omnipresent people that have somehow demographically replaced every Nation discussed here and assumed their identities.
I will defer to infinitely more intelligent (and crucially sane) posters like Swenet and Tukuler before I defer to you on anything relating to history.
See there sudaniya, that's why I can't respect you people - you can't think!
To the point: By proximity and influence, Turks are by far the most influential people in that region - they controlled not only their lands but also their religion!
This is the Ottoman Empire, which was synonymous with the Islamic Empire.
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Now while there were certainly Albino vassals to the east in the Persian Empire: i.e. the Parthians, Arians, Bactrians, Sogdianans etc. Plus leftover Albino Romans and Albino Greeks in the middle east and Arabia, not to mention the leftover Germamics in North Africa. But how would I include all of them in my statements?
Doesn't it make sense to simply refer to the overwhelmingly most important people, the Turks?
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Now you please answer this question:
Several times when communicating with the supposed African lamin, the thought occurred to me: Is this guy really that stupid, or is this person an Albino troll?
What do you say?
P.S. I distinctly remember lioness also trying to poo-poo the concept and reality of the Turk mulatto.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
I think that he might be referring to the descendents of albino Slavic/Gothic/Euro albino slaves whom were distributed throughout the entire North Africa and Middle East region during the trans-mediterranean slave trade.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: I think that he might be referring to the descendents of albino Slavic/Gothic/Euro albino slaves whom were distributed throughout the entire North Africa and Middle East region during the trans-mediterranean slave trade.
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WHEN EUROPEANS WERE SLAVES: RESEARCH SUGGESTS WHITE SLAVERY WAS MUCH MORE COMMON THAN PREVIOUSLY BELIEVED
COLUMBUS, Ohio – A new study suggests that a million or more European Christians were enslaved by Muslims in North Africa between 1530 and 1780 – a far greater number than had ever been estimated before. Robert Davis
In a new book, Robert Davis, professor of history at Ohio State University, developed a unique methodology to calculate the number of white Christians who were enslaved along Africa’s Barbary Coast, arriving at much higher slave population estimates than any previous studies had found.
Most other accounts of slavery along the Barbary coast didn’t try to estimate the number of slaves, or only looked at the number of slaves in particular cities, Davis said. Most previously estimated slave counts have thus tended to be in the thousands, or at most in the tens of thousands. Davis, by contrast, has calculated that between 1 million and 1.25 million European Christians were captured and forced to work in North Africa from the 16th to 18th centuries.
Davis’s new estimates appear in the book Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast, and Italy, 1500-1800 (Palgrave Macmillan). “Enslavement was a very real possibility for anyone who traveled in the Mediterranean, or who lived along the shores in places like Italy, France, Spain and Portugal, and even as far north as England and Iceland.”
“Much of what has been written gives the impression that there were not many slaves and minimizes the impact that slavery had on Europe,” Davis said. “Most accounts only look at slavery in one place, or only for a short period of time. But when you take a broader, longer view, the massive scope of this slavery and its powerful impact become clear.”
Davis said it is useful to compare this Mediterranean slavery to the Atlantic slave trade that brought black Africans to the Americas. Over the course of four centuries, the Atlantic slave trade was much larger – about 10 to 12 million black Africans were brought to the Americas. But from 1500 to 1650, when trans-Atlantic slaving was still in its infancy, more white Christian slaves were probably taken to Barbary than black African slaves to the Americas, according to Davis.
“One of the things that both the public and many scholars have tended to take as given is that slavery was always racial in nature – that only blacks have been slaves. But that is not true,” Davis said. “We cannot think of slavery as something that only white people did to black people.”
During the time period Davis studied, it was religion and ethnicity, as much as race, that determined who became slaves.
“Enslavement was a very real possibility for anyone who traveled in the Mediterranean, or who lived along the shores in places like Italy, France, Spain and Portugal, and even as far north as England and Iceland,” he said.
Pirates (called corsairs) from cities along the Barbary Coast in north Africa – cities such as Tunis and Algiers – would raid ships in the Mediterranean and Atlantic, as well as seaside villages to capture men, women and children. The impact of these attacks were devastating – France, England, and Spain each lost thousands of ships, and long stretches of the Spanish and Italian coasts were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants. At its peak, the destruction and depopulation of some areas probably exceeded what European slavers would later inflict on the African interior.
Although hundreds of thousands of Christian slaves were taken from Mediterranean countries, Davis noted, the effects of Muslim slave raids was felt much further away: it appears, for example, that through most of the 17th century the English lost at least 400 sailors a year to the slavers.
Even Americans were not immune. For example, one American slave reported that 130 other American seamen had been enslaved by the Algerians in the Mediterranean and Atlantic just between 1785 and 1793.
Davis said the vast scope of slavery in North Africa has been ignored and minimized, in large part because it is on no one’s agenda to discuss what happened.
The enslavement of Europeans doesn’t fit the general theme of European world conquest and colonialism that is central to scholarship on the early modern era, he said. Many of the countries that were victims of slavery, such as France and Spain, would later conquer and colonize the areas of North Africa where their citizens were once held as slaves. Maybe because of this history, Western scholars have thought of the Europeans primarily as “evil colonialists” and not as the victims they sometimes were, Davis said.
Davis said another reason that Mediterranean slavery has been ignored or minimized has been that there have not been good estimates of the total number of people enslaved. People of the time – both Europeans and the Barbary Coast slave owners – did not keep detailed, trustworthy records of the number of slaves. In contrast, there are extensive records that document the number of Africans brought to the Americas as slaves.
So Davis developed a new methodology to come up with reasonable estimates of the number of slaves along the Barbary Coast. Davis found the best records available indicating how many slaves were at a particular location at a single time. He then estimated how many new slaves it would take to replace slaves as they died, escaped or were ransomed.
“The only way I could come up with hard numbers is to turn the whole problem upside down – figure out how many slaves they would have to capture to maintain a certain level,” he said. “It is not the best way to make population estimates, but it is the only way with the limited records available.”
Putting together such sources of attrition as deaths, escapes, ransomings, and conversions, Davis calculated that about one-fourth of slaves had to be replaced each year to keep the slave population stable, as it apparently was between 1580 and 1680. That meant about 8,500 new slaves had to be captured each year. Overall, this suggests nearly a million slaves would have been taken captive during this period. Using the same methodology, Davis has estimated as many as 475,000 additional slaves were taken in the previous and following centuries.
The result is that between 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly 1 million and quite possibly as many as 1.25 million white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast.
Davis said his research into the treatment of these slaves suggests that, for most of them, their lives were every bit as difficult as that of slaves in America.
“As far as daily living conditions, the Mediterranean slaves certainly didn’t have it better,” he said.
While African slaves did grueling labor on sugar and cotton plantations in the Americas, European Christian slaves were often worked just as hard and as lethally – in quarries, in heavy construction, and above all rowing the corsair galleys themselves.
Davis said his findings suggest that this invisible slavery of European Christians deserves more attention from scholars.
“We have lost the sense of how large enslavement could loom for those who lived around the Mediterranean and the threat they were under,” he said. “Slaves were still slaves, whether they are black or white, and whether they suffered in America or North Africa.”
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^MOM - the impression I get is that those European Slaves were kept mainly in North Africa, and not taken to Arabia.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Well, the reason we don't subscribe to your comic book is because we do in fact think and know precisely where Turks left offspring. Wargla for instance is still black and Saudis hate Turks more than any other people hate Turks to the point of random maim and murder of stray Turks on the street.
But you'd have to visit or know real life Algerians and Saudis as friends and dinner mates to know what's happening at the man on the street level instead of fabricating bullshit and relying on 'albino' Wiki in lieu of real life experience you'll never get in New England.
Meanwhile you seem absolutely ignorant on the non-slave African element of Ottoman Turkey or the African slave viziers who ruled Ottoman Turkey preferring to focus on the sole incident of the human cannon.
But what else would one expect from the quintroon misanthrope.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
^^^That doesn't mean that modern day Saudi's do not have Turkic or Turkish admixture due to Eurasian Turkic movements into the area with the expansion of the Ottoman and Mamluk empires, and even the Kurdish expansion.
I mean there a lot of Indians who hate White Europeans despite a lot of them having recent Indo-European admixture in the North; there are lots of modern Syrians who hate White Europeans, despite a lot of them having recent White European admixture, heck there are White Americans who hate White Europeans, despite them being recent White European transplants themselves and there are White Mexicans and Latin Americans who hate White Europeans and White Americans despite them having recent White European admixture.
But it's clear that White Eurasian did leave a genetic imprint on the North Africa and the Middle East region from the Turkics/Turks to recent White Eurasians slaves and incursions into the area and invasions/crusades.....
There were Indian Sikh soldiers within the British empire, and there were various indigenous auxillary forces for the various European colonial empires; that still doesn't mean that they did not face racism during their time, which they actually did, and their descendents later on....
Heck there are even prominent members of the Saudi Royal family and Saudi Arabian/UAE upper class who refer to themselves as "al Turki"...
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^MOM - the impression I get is that those European Slaves were kept mainly in North Africa, and not taken to Arabia.
There was a prominent White slave trading market in Constantinople and these slaves were spread and mixed all over the Middle East and Levant area from what I recall....
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
WTF do you suppose Indo means in Indo-European?
You also appear quite ignorant of European tribalism a la Anglo vs Hispanic both its Europe roots and its western hemisphere manifestations in particular.
But as everyone knows mind o er matter is a matter of non-replicable slight of hand and gullible viewers like those falling for your numerous nonsequitors having absolutely nothing to do with my post.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
MOM - You're really going to argue with with a purveyor of such double-speak, wanna sound educated, idiotic nonsense? Hell if that's what you like, at least do it with his battery mate lioness, at least we can understand what that particular degenerate says.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Well, the reason we don't subscribe to your comic book is because we do in fact think and know precisely where Turks left offspring. Wargla for instance is still black and Saudis hate Turks more than any other people hate Turks to the point of random maim and murder of stray Turks on the street.
But you'd have to visit or know real life Algerians and Saudis as friends and dinner mates to know what's happening at the man on the street level instead of fabricating bullshit and relying on 'albino' Wiki in lieu of real life experience.
. Okay - I have had enough of the stupidity!
ANYONE THINKING THAT PEOPLE OF THIS COMPLEXION CAN BE NATIVE TO THE ARABIAN PENINSULA, PLEASE TAKE YOUR ASININE SELF OVER TO STORMFRONT, AND TAKE THIS IDIOT WITH YOU!
FOR THOSE OF YOU STILL TOO STUPID TO GET IT.
THE ARABS NEAR NEIGHBOR IS SUDAN:
THIS IS WHAT SUDANESE LOOK LIKE!
AND SURPRISE, SURPRISE:
THIS IS WHAT "REAL" ARABS LOOK LIKE!
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Damn, I can't believe some fool would try to sneak nonsense like that past us here at ES.
In addition, some of you may have noted that Turki is a common "Nick name" or even a Proper name in Saudi Arabia.
If you have half a brain you can make the obvious connection. But if you need help, please look up the etymology of Turki.
Websters:
Origin and Etymology of turki
Persian turkī, from Turk Turkish, from Turkish Türk
2 Turki noun Tur·ki \"\ Definition of Turki plural -s
1 : one of the Turki peoples
2 : any central Asian Turkic language particularly of the eastern group
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Damn, I can't believe some fool would try to sneak nonsense like that past us here at ES.
. Well actually our track record is not so great - myself included.
As you may recall, our old moderator, who also went by the name ausar, served for a great many years. He told us that he was a North African Arab.
However, as he was leaving to pursue his studies full time, he confessed to us that he was an Albino college student in Florida U.S.A.
You might all keep that in mind.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Those interested: Newbies can get a full history and explanation of Arabia here.
So say we all, so stop being stupid already you quintroon piece of **** rejected by your white Stormfront kin because of your ONE AFRICAN great great grandfather. Hee hee hee hee Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Some of you may think that when you "Google" you are getting a broad and accurate panorama of material on the subject of interest.
Not so - google is just another arm of the Albino supremacy system. The material on google is What Albinos have put there for you to see.
Thus when you google "Yemen People": You get this.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
But as I have shown, ALL true Arabs are Black people. But how do we find them in Albino controlled media?
An old trick that I found was to look in "Indirect" places. That is looking where the thing of your interest is not the primary issue.
So rather googling Yemen people, try going to one of the photography sites and searching Yemen people.
Here I'm trying "Photographers Direct".
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Al Mokha
Yemeni girl
Fishermen in the Yemeni port of Hodeidah
Young Yemenite Man
Yemen Rub Al Khali Desert
Yemen Shibam Hadramaut
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This is all the site had, which gives a good idea of how well Albinos and their Mulattoes hide Black people. Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^It sure would be nice if someone could figure out Who, How and When, the Albinos took over Yemen and Saudi Arabia. And why Oman survived with Black rulership.
Though of course Oman has it's share of Turk mulattoes. Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Since I'm here, I figured I'd post some pictures of Omani citizens. As you will recall, they are the "Next Door" neighbors of the Yemeni.
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Young Omani Woman , Muscat , Oman
Two Omani Men Sitting , Muscat , Oman
Omani With Giant Turban , Ibra , Oman
A Teenage Bedouin Boy
Fish For Sale At Muttrah Market , Muscat , Oman
Vegetable Seller At Muttrah Market , Muscat , Oman
Modern Omani Youth Riding A Motorbike
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Tradesmen On The Goat Market , Nizwa , Sultanate Of Oman
Omani Man In Sinaw Market
Women dancing
Man Selling Tobacco , Ibra Souq , Oman
Man At Fish Souq , Al Kamil , Oman
Young Girl Nizwa , Oman , The Middle East
Two Omani Men , Muscat , Oman
OMAN : Muslim Boys Playing On The Beach , Al Ashkara
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Two Omani Sisters , Muscat , Oman
Omani Man , Khasab , Musandam Peninsula , Oman
OMAN : A Woman Wearing Traditional Jewellery , Nizwa
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Doxie - are you paying attention?
Oman retained Black Rulership, and there is peace and prosperity for all, including Albinos and Mulattoes.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Now compare that with Yemen, where the Zaidi (modern Houthi) Albinos and mulattoes - conquered northern Yemen around 859.
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All Albino/Mulatto ruled Yemen has known is War, death and Destruction.
See what I mean about "The Natural Order?"
Non-African Black rule gives peace and prosperity, Albino rule often does not. Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
And so what does your quintroon dumb ass do? Well, it Googles images and texts to put up here and on your comic book wwhistory site. People find your super pseudo 'history' shitty site via Google so by your inane illogic choir preaching your site is what your 'albinos' want us to see.
Damn boy, you stupid. Hee hee hee hee
Even more stupid than your psychophantic fanboys.
Your very own dependency and reliance on Google -- especially the Wiki -- in lieu of scanning print media and photos you yourself have snapped, your lack of world ttravel or even interviewing people of various ethnicities and national origins but most of all your unconscionable lies demand your tag mike111 now be
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [b]^Some of you may think that when you "Google" you are getting a broad and accurate panorama of material on the subject of interest.
Not so - google is just another arm of the Albino supremacy system. The material on google is What Albinos have put there for you to see.
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Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
Interesting.
Well, contrary to opinions expressed which misrepresent the intent of independent scientific research, our motives are pure and information driven. Still, the presentation of so-called "race" focused research by black researchers, depending on audience, must be framed correctly as no to invoke reactionary emotions or responses because, it is well known that whites have a history of responding reactively in the face of revealing and irrefutable racial or genetic data. Responses can vary from argumentative, to name calling to retaliation (censoring, banning, etc)
My interest in melanin, and how it manifests in blacks versus whites actually came about as I followed the trail of the Biblical Lepers as characterized in the King James Bible. The bible contains many references to people inflicted with Leprosy, most of those infected having parts of their bodies turn "white".
As it turns out, in reality, those infected with Leprosy don't have severe lightening of the skin.
LEPROSY
The disease can cause:
- Skin lesions that may be faded/discolored Growths on the skin - Thick, stiff or dry skin - Severe pain - Numbness on affected areas of the skin - Muscle weakness or paralysis (especially in the hands and feet) - Eye problems that may lead to blindness - Enlarged nerves (especially those around the elbow and knee) - A stuffy nose - Nosebleeds - Ulcers on the soles of feet
A modern Leper's feet showing faded and discoloured skin.
So, it appears pretty obvious that in the the time of the writing of the bible, the bible writers were not sure of the actual disease affecting the populace and grouped it in with Leprosy, even though it had none of the major symptoms of Leprosy.
Eliminating Leprosy and re-examining the biblical reported symptoms of those affected were;
-Whitening of the skin, in patches. I.E., One or both hands, Full or partial face, legs, etc.
- Blistering of affected area. Sores.
- Pain
- Some reported bone development or deformity issues. Probably rickets or poor bone formation.
Following the reported symptoms and elimiating Leprosy leaves the following disease meeting all reported symptoms.
Vitiligo (vit-ih-LIE-go) is a disease that causes the loss of skin color in blotches. The extent and rate of color loss from vitiligo is unpredictable. It can affect the skin on any part of your body. It may also affect hair, the inside of the mouth and even the eyes.
Normally, the color of hair, skin and eyes is determined by melanin. Vitiligo occurs when the cells that produce melanin die or stop functioning.
Vitiligo affects people of all skin types, but it may be more noticeable in people with darker skin. The condition is not life-threatening or contagious. It can be stressful or make you feel bad about yourself. Treatment for vitiligo may improve the appearance of the affected skin but does not cure the disease.
Famous blacks affected by Vitiligo: Michael Jackson.
That the Bible starts noticing the appearance of vitiligo (partial albinism), surely those affected were not white. Else, what is there to detect?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^I wonder if anyone has pondered why Blacks in Africa and Arabia were so enamored with Chattel Slavery.
My only explanation is that the didn't have the imagination to make anything that they could sell, so their only recourse was to sell the one thing they had plenty of - their fellow Africans and Arabs.
The Transatlantic Slave trade
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
. The purveyors of Albino European Slaves were also Black Africans: .
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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
. And finally - the "Arab" Slave traders were also Blacks. .
Mike are you sure they had chattle slavery and not just a system of exploitation and bondage?the material on your site and the stuff I've seen and read about blacks and slavery always seems murky as the original Arabs where black before becoming a mulatto population and people the talking about it are generally racializing the relationship so I don't know if the relationship was a power one or just a circumstance people were caught in where books like white gold speaks of the hell whites went through in North Africa.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Interesting.
Well, contrary to opinions expressed which misrepresent the intent of independent scientific research, our motives are pure and information driven. Still, the presentation of so-called "race" focused research by black researchers, depending on audience, must be framed correctly as no to invoke reactionary emotions or responses because, it is well known that whites have a history of responding reactively in the face of revealing and irrefutable racial or genetic data. Responses can vary from argumentative, to name calling to retaliation (censoring, banning, etc)
My interest in melanin, and how it manifests in blacks versus whites actually came about as I followed the trail of the Biblical Lepers as characterized in the King James Bible. The bible contains many references to people inflicted with Leprosy, most of those infected having parts of their bodies turn "white".
As it turns out, in reality, those infected with Leprosy don't have severe lightening of the skin.
LEPROSY
The disease can cause:
- Skin lesions that may be faded/discolored Growths on the skin - Thick, stiff or dry skin - Severe pain - Numbness on affected areas of the skin - Muscle weakness or paralysis (especially in the hands and feet) - Eye problems that may lead to blindness - Enlarged nerves (especially those around the elbow and knee) - A stuffy nose - Nosebleeds - Ulcers on the soles of feet
A modern Leper's feet showing faded and discoloured skin.
So, it appears pretty obvious that in the the time of the writing of the bible, the bible writers were not sure of the actual disease affecting the populace and grouped it in with Leprosy, even though it had none of the major symptoms of Leprosy.
Eliminating Leprosy and re-examining the biblical reported symptoms of those affected were;
-Whitening of the skin, in patches. I.E., One or both hands, Full or partial face, legs, etc.
- Blistering of affected area. Sores.
- Pain
- Some reported bone development or deformity issues. Probably rickets or poor bone formation.
Following the reported symptoms and elimiating Leprosy leaves the following disease meeting all reported symptoms.
Vitiligo (vit-ih-LIE-go) is a disease that causes the loss of skin color in blotches. The extent and rate of color loss from vitiligo is unpredictable. It can affect the skin on any part of your body. It may also affect hair, the inside of the mouth and even the eyes.
Normally, the color of hair, skin and eyes is determined by melanin. Vitiligo occurs when the cells that produce melanin die or stop functioning.
Vitiligo affects people of all skin types, but it may be more noticeable in people with darker skin. The condition is not life-threatening or contagious. It can be stressful or make you feel bad about yourself. Treatment for vitiligo may improve the appearance of the affected skin but does not cure the disease.
Famous blacks affected by Vitiligo: Michael Jackson.
That the Bible starts noticing the appearance of vitiligo (partial albinism), surely those affected were not white. Else, what is there to detect?
Narmer, did you get my PM? It's in the interest of your research subject criteria, to go into the Vela supernova outburst event; because it's extremely important pertaining to this subject matter and criteria; and this is based on real ACTUAL direct scientific research and evidence....
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thereal: Mike are you sure they had chattle slavery and not just a system of exploitation and bondage?the material on your site and the stuff I've seen and read about blacks and slavery always seems murky as the original Arabs where black before becoming a mulatto population and people the talking about it are generally racializing the relationship so I don't know if the relationship was a power one or just a circumstance people were caught in where books like white gold speaks of the hell whites went through in North Africa.
I understand your question and I agree with it. But it will take a lot of conversation and comparison of data, before we will be able to get a handle on the question.
Unfortunately, you are one of the few people who understand the question, so it very difficult to compare notes and knowledge in order to suss out the truth.
There is no doubt in my mind that West Africans of the Transatlantic slave trade knew exactly the results of what they were doing. Their slavery was indeed chattel slavery.
The Arab slave trade may not have been the same, but the evidence is murky.
This linked page touches some of these issues at the end, perhaps it can be a baseline for discussion.
My interest in melanin, and how it manifests in blacks versus whites
the cracker made you hyper skin focused
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Mike,
LOL, there are no Whites in Oman except maybe as tourists. Oman's population is primarily Arab, Indian, Asian,& Black. Yeah Oman is so great that an Indian migrant there is killing themselves every 6 days due to ill treatment. Such a paradise,put me on the first plane out LOL. Whites should rule Whites, Black Blacks,Asians Asians in our own lands.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
My interest in melanin, and how it manifests in blacks versus whites
the cracker made you hyper skin focused
You did no such thing, Cracka!
Albino writers/editors of the contradictory Bible did that.
For example, the reason the BAPTISM was popular in ancient Egypt/Africa was due to the need for back migrating albinos to stay cool in the Egyptian/African sun. There was no sunscreen, but plenty of cool water. The scriptures state that these early "Christians" spent hours submerged in the waters of rivers, lakes and streams. My guess is that these "Baptisms" probably occurred during the hottest part of the day.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike, Whites should rule Whites, Black Blacks,Asians Asians in our own lands.
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YOUR land, Central Asia awaits you, have a nice trip.
He,he,he: Who am I kidding, without you Albinos in Europe, how would all those people in Africa, Arabia, and India know how to behave?
^Above - That's one of the craziest things in history. All of those men, and the boy too, were rulers of their own kingdoms. Some perhaps with more population than Britain. Together, they could swash Britain like a Bug. But look at them, snug as a bug in a rug, arrayed around their master.
. And look what their Pussy nature left them with:
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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thereal: Mike are you sure they had chattle slavery and not just a system of exploitation and bondage?the material on your site and the stuff I've seen and read about blacks and slavery always seems murky as the original Arabs where black before becoming a mulatto population and people the talking about it are generally racializing the relationship so I don't know if the relationship was a power one or just a circumstance people were caught in where books like white gold speaks of the hell whites went through in North Africa.
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Since my last response I have done some more "Light" digging, because I too would like to understand what the Arab Slave trade really was.
This may seem simplistic, but I am going to post some search results from Wiki and the like, just to show how the Albinos and dumb Negroes have fuched up history.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
WIKI - edited:
Arab slave trade was the practice of slavery in the Arab world, mainly in Western Asia, North Africa, Southeast Africa, the Horn of Africa and certain parts of Europe (such as Iberia and Sicily) beginning in the era of the Roman Empire and continuing until the early second half of the 20th century. The trade was conducted through slave markets in the Middle East, North Africa and the Horn of Africa, with the slaves captured mostly from Africa's interior.
The trade was conducted through slave markets in the Middle East, North Africa and the Horn of Africa, with the slaves captured mostly from Africa's interior. The trade of slaves across the Sahara and across the Indian Ocean also has a long history, beginning with the control of sea routes by Arab and Swahili traders on the Swahili Coast during the ninth century (see Sultanate of Zanzibar).
The captives were sold throughout the Middle East. This trade accelerated as superior ships led to more trade and greater demand for labor on plantations in the region. Eventually, tens of thousands of captives were being taken every year. The Indian Ocean slave trade was multi-directional and changed over time. To meet the demand for menial labor, Bantu slaves bought by Arab slave traders from southeastern Africa were sold in cumulatively large numbers over the centuries to customers in Egypt, Arabia, the Persian Gulf, India, European colonies in the Far East, the Indian Ocean islands, Ethiopia and Somalia. Slave labor in East Africa was drawn from the Zanj, Bantu peoples that lived along the East African coast.
In answer to this stupidity: Egypt, Arabia, the Persian Gulf, India, etc: Teem with Black people who for thousands of years worked their own fields, and in the case of Egypt, was the Breadbasket of the ancient world, why would they need Slaves to do what they had been doing for thousands of years? Of course, that Wiki nonsense is merely Albinos extending the false narrative they had developed for the American Hemisphere. Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Atlanta Black Star
10 Facts About The Arab Enslavement Of Black People Not Taught In Schools
The Number of People Enslaved
The number of people enslaved by Muslims has been a hotly debated topic, especially when the millions of Africans forced from their homelands are considered.
Some historians estimate that between A.D. 650 and 1900, 10 to 20 million people were enslaved by Arab slave traders. Others believe over 20 million enslaved Africans alone had been delivered through the trans-Sahara route alone to the Islamic world.
Dr. John Alembellah Azumah in his 2001 book, The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa estimates that over 80 million Black people more died en route.
Arab Enslavers Practiced Genetic Warfare
The Arab slave trade typically dealt in the sale of castrated male slaves. Black boys between the age of 8 and 12 had their scrotums and penises completely amputated to prevent them from reproducing. About six of every 10 boys bled to death during the procedure, according to some sources, but the high price brought by eunuchs on the market made the practice profitable.
Some men were castrated to be eunuchs in domestic service and the practice of neutering male slaves was not limited to only Black males. “The calipha in Baghdad at the beginning of the 10th Century had 7,000 black eunuchs and 4,000 white eunuchs in his palace,” writes author Ronald Segal in his 2002 book, Islam’s Black Slaves: The Other Black Diaspora.
Arab Slave Trade Inspired Arab Racism Toward Blacks
Its important to note that Arab is not a racial classification; an Arab is almost like an American in that people classified as Arab today could be Caucasian (white people), Asiatic or even Arabized Africans. In the beginning there was some level of mutual respect between the Blacks and the more lighter skinned Arabs. However, as Islam and the demand for enslaved Blacks grew, so did racism toward Africans.
As casual association with Black skin and slave began to be established, racist attitudes towards Blacks began to manifest in Arabic language and literature. The word for slave – Abid – became a colloquialism for African. Other words such as Haratin express social inferiority of Africans.
Arab Enslavers Targeted Women For Rape
The eastern Arab slave trade dealt primarily with African women, maintaining a ratio of two women for each man. These women and young girls were used by Arabs and other Asians as concubines and menials.
A Muslim slaveholder was entitled by law to the sexual enjoyment of his slave women. Filling the harems of wealthy Arabs, African women bore them a host of children.
This abuse of African women would continue for nearly 1, 200 years.
Arab Slave Trade Ushered in The European Slave Trade
The Arab slave trade in the 19th century was economically tied to the European trade of Africans. New opportunities of exploitation were provided by the transatlantic slave trade and this sent Arab slavers into overdrive.
The Portuguese (on the Swahili coast) profited directly and were responsible for a boom in the Arab trade. Meanwhile on the West African coast, the Portuguese found Muslim merchants entrenched along the African coast as far as the Bight of Benin. These European enslavers found they could make considerable amounts of gold transporting enslaved Africans from one trading post to another, along the Atlantic coast.
You are being taught that that Arabs did all of those terrible things: and even though you are not being told exactly WHO these Arabs are, you know for sure that they are NOT Black people!
Rather, because today you have been taught that THESE are Arabs:
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You assume that this depiction of an Arab Slave market is real and authentic.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
This is the last one intended to be made fun of.
It is by a missionary lady named Shirley Madany. Pay close attention to the questions she asks at the end.
Arabs and Slave Trade By Shirley Madany
A flair for history is a prerequisite to understanding the Muslim world and its people. Their yesterdays are closely bound up with the here and now. A good grasp of geography will be helpful as well. Slavery in Early Islamic History: It was intriguing to note in Bernard Lewis' book, The Arabs in History, that paper was made first in China in the year 105 B.C. In A.D. 751, the Arabs defeated a Chinese contingent east of the 'Jaxartes'. (Jaxartes is a river that lies on the border between China and present-day Afghanistan. Persian King Cyrus was killed fighting near this river, about 500 B.C.) The Arabs found some Chinese paper makers among their prisoners. Many such skills were brought into the Islamic world in this way. The use of paper spread rapidly across the Islamic world, reaching Egypt by A.D. 800 and Spain by the year 900. From the tenth century onwards, evidence is clear of paper-making occurring in countries of the Middle East and North Africa, as well as in the European country of Spain.
The Arabs profited from the craft of the paper makers they had captured as slaves. From archaeologists and records kept in ancient times, we learn that slave trade existed for a long time in the Arab world. Back in the days of the caliphs [early Muslim leaders], having a slave for a mother was not a stigma for a Muslim man. Due to polygamy, this was quite common. At first the caliphs maintained a kind of aristocracy among themselves, making it imperative that the mother of a caliph was from one of the Arab tribes. However, as more and more slaves adopted the religion of Islam, noble birth and tribal prestige lost their value. By the year 817, the Abbasid Caliphs and succeeding Muslim rulers often were the sons of slave women, many of whom were foreign. Such parentage ceased to be either an obstacle or a stigma.
Growth of the Slave Trade Quite possibly, the maintenance of slavery and the social acceptance of slaves were important drawing cards for Islam as it penetrated Africa. Without a knowledge of history many Africans may be unaware of the fact that Islamic traders carried on a steady slave trade from East African ports for many centuries. Records are available which contain the lists of goods involved in trade with the rest of the world. Muslim merchants traveled to India, Ceylon, the East Indies, and China, over sea and land, bringing back silks, spices, aromatics, woods, tin, and many other items. Records mention 'slave girls' from the Byzantine Empire along with gold and silver, marble workers, and eunuchs. Surprisingly, Muslim traders went as far away as Scandinavia, and especially Sweden, where scores of Muslim coins have been found with inscriptions from the seventh and eleventh centuries. On the long lists of goods which Muslim traders imported from Scandinavia, are found 'Slavonic slaves, sheep, and cattle' (cited by Lewis in The Arabs in History). An early ninth century geographer, Ibn Kurradadhbeh, describes Jewish merchants from the south of France 'who speak Arabic, Persian, Greek, Frankish, Spanish, and Slavonic. They travel from west to east and east to west, by land and sea. From the west they bring eunuchs, slave girls and boys, brocade, beaver skins, sable and other furs, and swords'.
Though some slaves attained an honored class, doing either domestic work or military service, they were exceptions. 'Generally, slaves were employed for manual labor on a number of large scale enterprises, in mines, in the fleets, in the drainage of marshes, etc.. They were herded together in settlements, often thousands belonging to a single landowner. Slaves of this kind were mainly black, obtained more especially from East Africa by capture, purchase, or in the form of tribute from vassal states. Such were the slaves in the salt flats east of Basra, where unprecedented numbers were employed by the wealthy men of that city in draining the salt marshes in order to prepare the ground for agriculture and to extract the salt for sale. They worked in gangs from five hundred to five thousand. Their conditions were extremely bad. Their labor was hard and exacting, and they received only a bare and inadequate keep consisting, according to the Arabic sources, of flour, semolina and dates. Many knew little or no Arabic. Eventually a leader arose among them and led a great uprising which aimed, not at ending slavery, but at securing better living conditions.
A Recent Study Another book by Bernard Lewis entitled Race and Slavery in the Middle East a Historical Enquiry, published in 1990 by Oxford University Press, features color plate illustrations dating back to 1237 and the 1500's with 80 pages of notes to back up its contents. These intriguing paintings were discovered in famous libraries in London, Paris, and Istanbul. They depict the variety of slaves and their livelihoods.
In his book, Lewis describes how the Muslim world reacted when cries for abolition of slavery resounded around the world in the 19th century 'The revulsion against slavery, which gave rise to a strong abolitionist movement in England, and later in other Western countries, began to affect the Islamic lands. What was involved was not, initially, the abolition of the institution of slavery but its alleviation, and in particular, the restriction and ultimately the elimination of the slave trade. Islamic law, in contrast to the ancient and colonial systems, accords the slave a certain legal status and assigns obligations as well as rights to the slave owner. The manumission of slaves, though recommended as a meritorious act, is not required, and the institution of slavery not only is recognized but is elaborately regulated by Sharia law. Perhaps for this very reason the position of the domestic slave in Muslim society was in most respects better than in either classical antiquity or the nineteenth-century Americas. While, however, the life of the slave in Muslim society was no worse, and in some ways was better, than that of the free poor, the processes of acquisition and transportation often imposed appalling hardships. It was these which drew the main attention of European opponents of slavery, and it was to the elimination of this traffic, particularly in Africa, that their main efforts were directed. The abolition of slavery itself would hardly have been possible. From a Muslim point of view, to forbid what God permits is almost as great an offense as to permit what God forbids - and slavery was authorized and regulated by the holy law. More specifically, it formed part of the law of personal status, the central core of social usage, which remained intact and effective even when other sections of the holy law, dealing with civil, criminal, and similar matters, were tactically or even openly modified and replaced by modern codes. It was from conservative religious quarters and notably from the holy cities of Mecca and Medina that the strongest resistance to the proposed reform came. The emergence of the holy men and the holy places as the last ditch defenders of slavery against reform is only an apparent paradox. They were upholding an institution sanctified by scripture, law, and tradition and one which in their eyes was necessary to the maintenance of the social structure of Muslim life'.
Further on, Lewis mentions how the overwhelming majority of white slaves came from the Caucasian lands. This was in the days of the Ottoman empire and it was not until 1854 that orders against the traffic in white slaves from Georgia and Circassia were issued and put into effect. Arabia was another major center for the slave trade. The flow of slaves from Africa into Arabia and through the Gulf into Iran continued for a long time. The extension of British, French, and Italian control around the Horn of Africa (the area of Somalia and Kenya today) deprived the slave traders of their main ports of embarkation. As far as Islam was concerned, the horrors of the abduction and transportation of slaves were the worst part. But once the slaves were settled in Islamic culture they had genuine opportunities to realize their potential. Many of them became merchants in Mecca, Jedda, and elsewhere.
A Puzzling Question
A puzzling question comes to mind, however. If this is so, why does the Arab world have no corresponding Black population as is found in the New World? Lewis provides an answer, 'One reason is obviously the high population of eunuchs among Black males entering the Islamic lands. Another is the high death rate and low birth rate among Black slaves in North Africa and the Middle East. In about 1810, Louis Frank observed in Tunisia that most Black children died in infancy and that infinitesimally few reached the age of manhood. A British observer in Egypt, some thirty years later, found conditions even worse. He said, 'I have heard it estimated that five or six years are sufficient to carry off a generation of slaves, at the end of which time the whole has to be replenished'. The Abolition of Slavery
The institution of slavery regrettably existed both in the old, classical Christian and Islamic civilizations. Yet it is to the credit of Christianity that the abolition movement took root in Great Britain, Western Europe, and the United States and brought an end to this buying and selling of human beings. The way in which slavery was practiced in Islamic countries had both bright and dark sides. What is regrettable now is that this practice among Muslims is seldom openly discussed - as if slavery was exclusively a Western phenomenon. This deliberate silence enables Islamic propagandists in America to represent Muslims as liberators of the people of African origin, contrary to historical fact. Shirley Madany has assisted her husband for many years with the Arabic Broadcast of The Back to the Bible Hour.
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
What's sick is,the whole narrative falls to pieces if you believe in the out of Africa event,why should white to white looking people uniquely exist outside Africa but they question only the blacks like they are some mystery,I'm surprise whites don't use the slave story to explain all the black people out of Africa.
Posted by Elmaestro (Member # 22566) on :
The only thing remotely interesting about this thread or where it is now, is the fact that the high mortality rate of the Arab conquest is never referenced in any scientific piece regarding population genetics. Male slaves were castrated but for some reason in almost all articles I've read with significant "SSA" components North and about the Sahara, the DNA admixture is attributed to slavery (Even Y-Hg's SMH). Not only that but the grand total of African Casualties between transatlantic & tranSaharan Slaving has an estimated number of above 100,million... But of-course it's insignificant.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
In answer to this stupidity: Egypt, Arabia, the Persian Gulf, India, etc: Teem with Black people who for thousands of years worked their own fields, and in the case of Egypt, was the Breadbasket of the ancient world, why would they need Slaves to do what they had been doing for thousands of years? Of course, that Wiki nonsense is merely Albinos extending the false narrative they had developed for the American Hemisphere. [/QB]
^ ridiculous question. More women were enslaved historically than men in the Arab slave trade. Slaves were used to rape and to do domestic housework. Males slaves were also used by higher classes so they didn't have to to do manual labor or pay them. And used to fight and die as slave soldiers
Slavery still goes on in Mauritania, Mali, Niger, Chad where the masters are often of mixed Arab-berber descent
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro: The only thing remotely interesting about this thread or where it is now, is the fact that the high mortality rate of the Arab conquest is never referenced in any scientific piece regarding population genetics. Male slaves were castrated but for some reason in almost all articles I've read with significant "SSA" components North and about the Sahara, the DNA admixture is attributed to slavery (Even Y-Hg's SMH). Not only that but the grand total of African Casualties between transatlantic & tranSaharan Slaving has an estimated number of above 100,million... But of-course it's insignificant.
A while back I realized that you were an idiot. I don't know if you are Black (I hope not) or Albino, but you are certainly a simple-minded idiot. I answer you only because you remind me of something last week.
It was announced that the Smithsonian had opened "The National Museum of African American History and Culture".
(Who designed this??? Damn ugly if you ask me).
A People’s Journey A Nation’s Story
100 Years in the making
P.S. they completely surprised me with the content - whether or not it's accurate, I don't know.
Subjects:
American South.
American West.
Civil Rights
Clothing and Dress.
Communities.
Education.
Family.
Literature.
Military.
Music.
Photography.
Politics.
Religious Groups.
Segregation.
Slavery.
(In this order).
[How come no Sports?] .
What made me think of you Elmaestro, is that they were interviewing two young Black men on their reaction to the museum.
I forget what the first one said, but the second one teared-up, and started talking about the pain of Slavery.
Get this now - Slavery ended 151 years ago, this pathetic Nigger in a suit, has no clue as to what Slavery was really like.
Meanwhile - before and after American Slavery, Black people created cultures and lives, and reached levels of achievement, never before reached by anyone.
And hopefully this museum will touch some of that:
But all that worthless Nigger can talk about is Slavery. I wonder if this means that he is one of the few actually descended from African slaves?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^I will get back to the Arab Slave Trade later. Posted by Elmaestro (Member # 22566) on :
WoBE...
Don't quote me if you have nothing intelligent to say... I literally have to refrain from exposing your fraudulent ass over and over again. For one... I have no clue what the point of your above statement had to do with me? Crying? over slavery?
But I'm uncomfortable w/ myself because We're on here letting this vanilla 1/16th of a nigger talk all this fuckery but we sit back and let him go off because he says 1 or 2 things that might make us feel good inside... How did this trash ass thread last for 3 pages, c'mon people.
Don't be afraid to call this cracker out, If you know how to type and use a search engine (preferably google), you're basically just as knowledgeable as he is.
it's incredible The fucker gets on here every instance he has and complains about white people... yet has the nerve to come up with that bullshit analogy lol, which isn't even relevant to me. its also funny how you continually expose yourself...
quote:but the second one teared-up, and started talking about the pain of Slavery.
Get this now - Slavery ended 151 years ago, this pathetic Nigger in a suit, has no clue as to what Slavery was really like.
Read the **** this cracker say's.. Where do we often see statements likes these, or from whom? ...pay attention guys lol.
Tell you what WoBE... Don't.... Don't get back to the Arab slave trade, please. Save some bandwidth you fvcking Idiot...We can all do without your atrocity.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^What does WoBE mean?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: This is the last one intended to be made fun of.
It is by a missionary lady named Shirley Madany. Pay close attention to the questions she asks at the end.
Arabs and Slave Trade By Shirley Madany
A Puzzling Question
A puzzling question comes to mind, however. If this is so, why does the Arab world have no corresponding Black population as is found in the New World? Lewis provides an answer, 'One reason is obviously the high population of eunuchs among Black males entering the Islamic lands. Another is the high death rate and low birth rate among Black slaves in North Africa and the Middle East. In about 1810, Louis Frank observed in Tunisia that most Black children died in infancy and that infinitesimally few reached the age of manhood. A British observer in Egypt, some thirty years later, found conditions even worse. He said, 'I have heard it estimated that five or six years are sufficient to carry off a generation of slaves, at the end of which time the whole has to be replenished'.
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I have no way of knowing, but I certainly hope that when you all read the passage above, you all burst out in laughter!
For the reading comprehension challenged:
What that dear ignorant lady was asking is:
WHY ARE THERE NO (or very few) BLACK PEOPLE IN THE ARAB WORLD.
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THIS IS THE ARAB WORLD OF WHICH SHE SPEAKS
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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
There is strictly black on black slavery in southern w Afr where in particular the religious caste of older decrepit so-called priesthood procures teen and preteen females for their sexual lusts.
Indeed, we of W Afr have no one but ourselves to blame for the worst of slavery, exploiting black vagina.
We are as guilty of this CRIME against African womanhood, nay, girlhood, as are the Arabs and Euros. Even more so.
But it is the U6 harboring Africans who since rock art days are the perverts going for male on male and even animal perversity. To this day in Mauritania all non Baydane females are regarded as free/easy/ must give in pussy.
As for females of my very own race, genetics of my very own people in Sudan prove their non- fulbe preferences perhaps due to the freedoms they enact against us their male racial counterparts and the more sexual freedoms they have exacted against us.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^ 1) I don't know if to laugh or cry.
2) Why would someone so lacking in knowledge presume to write a history on the Arab Slave Trade?
3) Does everyone realize that we are talking about AFRICA? As in why there are no Blacks in large parts of Africa.
4) How the hell did Albinos and Turk mulattoes do THAT??? Convince the world that Albinos and Mulattoes are Arabs? And hide Blacks in their own lands.
5) Once again, I want to line up all Africans and MO slap them. One way or another, this is their fault.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
My complain t with this map is Mizrahh = Levant Mizraq = Egypt, central to eastern Libya Maghreb = Maroc to W Libya.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: This is the last one intended to be made fun of.
It is by a missionary lady named Shirley Madany. Pay close attention to the questions she asks at the end.
Arabs and Slave Trade By Shirley Madany
A Puzzling Question
A puzzling question comes to mind, however. If this is so, why does the Arab world have no corresponding Black population as is found in the New World? Lewis provides an answer, 'One reason is obviously the high population of eunuchs among Black males entering the Islamic lands. Another is the high death rate and low birth rate among Black slaves in North Africa and the Middle East. In about 1810, Louis Frank observed in Tunisia that most Black children died in infancy and that infinitesimally few reached the age of manhood. A British observer in Egypt, some thirty years later, found conditions even worse. He said, 'I have heard it estimated that five or six years are sufficient to carry off a generation of slaves, at the end of which time the whole has to be replenished'.
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I have no way of knowing, but I certainly hope that when you all read the passage above, you all burst out in laughter!
For the reading comprehension challenged:
What that dear ignorant lady was asking is:
WHY ARE THERE NO (or very few) BLACK PEOPLE IN THE ARAB WORLD.
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THIS IS THE ARAB WORLD OF WHICH SHE SPEAKS
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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
There is no subterfuge about colour in Arabic culture. Those of us who partake in the culture know the songs extolling the fine points of * aswad * sumra * bidan desirableness and preferences since Iraqi 1000 and 1 Nights literature 'till today's latest 2016 lyrics.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: There is no subterfuge about colour in Arabic culture. Those of us who partake in the culture know the songs extolling the fine points of * aswad * sumra * bidan desirableness and preferences since Iraqi 1000 and 1 Nights literature 'till today's latest 2016 lyrics.
. Anyone know what this means?
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Tru dat Maestro!
This15/16th backra/cracka posing as an even 17/32ndth black is the worst piece of **** there ever was.
His whole complaint devolves from his fellow Euros rejecting him because his phenotype betrays his great great grandfather was [b]A F R I C A N [/b ]
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: In answer to this stupidity: Egypt, Arabia, the Persian Gulf, India, etc: Teem with Black people who for thousands of years worked their own fields, and in the case of Egypt, was the Breadbasket of the ancient world, why would they need Slaves to do what they had been doing for thousands of years? Of course, that Wiki nonsense is merely Albinos extending the false narrative they had developed for the American Hemisphere.
The false narrative I was talking about is this:
Just as the Albinos and their MONGOL mulattoes in the Americas have convinced the world that THESE MULATTOES ARE A NATIVE AMERICANS....
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AND NOT THESE ACTUAL NATIVE AMERICANS... .
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THE ALBINOS AND MULATTOES OF EUROPE AND THE ARAB WORLD, HAVE CONVINCED THE WORLD THAT THIS IS AN ARAB....
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AND NOT THIS REAL ARAB.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Tru dat Maestro!
This15/16th backra/cracka posing as an even 17/32ndth black is the worst piece of **** there ever was.
His whole complaint devolves from his fellow Euros rejecting him because his phenotype betrays his great great grandfather was [b]A F R I C A N[/b ]
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Nobody suspects your dumb racist ass to know anything outside your comic book universe you fuckwad piece of **** fake ass reject Euro turd.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: There is no subterfuge about colour in Arabic culture. Those of us who partake in the culture know the songs extolling the fine points of * aswad * sumra * bidan desirableness and preferences since Iraqi 1000 and 1 Nights literature 'till today's latest 2016 lyrics.
. Anyone know what this means?
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro: WoBE...
Don't quote me if you have nothing intelligent to say... I literally have to refrain from exposing your fraudulent ass over and over again. For one... I have no clue what the point of your above statement had to do with me? Crying? over slavery?
But I'm uncomfortable w/ myself because We're on here letting this vanilla 1/16th of a nigger talk all this fuckery but we sit back and let him go off because he says 1 or 2 things that might make us feel good inside... How did this trash ass thread last for 3 pages, c'mon people.
Don't be afraid to call this cracker out, If you know how to type and use a search engine (preferably google), you're basically just as knowledgeable as he is.
it's incredible The fucker gets on here every instance he has and complains about white people... yet has the nerve to come up with that bullshit analogy lol, which isn't even relevant to me. its also funny how you continually expose yourself...
quote:but the second one teared-up, and started talking about the pain of Slavery.
Get this now - Slavery ended 151 years ago, this pathetic Nigger in a suit, has no clue as to what Slavery was really like.
Read the **** this cracker say's.. Where do we often see statements likes these, or from whom? ...pay attention guys lol.
Tell you what WoBE... Don't.... Don't get back to the Arab slave trade, please. Save some bandwidth you fvcking Idiot...We can all do without your atrocity.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Am I the only one beginning to suspect that this fool is a Turk mulatto?
What a world we live in...
This lovely young Black woman is actually an Albino man or woman.
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And this handsome Black Cavalier is actually a Turk Mulatto.
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Good Gosh - what next? Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Okay - after posting nonsense articles about the Arab Slave Trade, I will now post some serious articles. .
University World News
(Remember that this is an Albino publication).
Scholars focus on the Arab trans-Saharan slave trade by Tunde Fatunde 13 April 2012.
Scholars from universities in and outside Africa gathered in the Nigerian city of Calabar recently to examine the role of Arab merchants in the trans-Saharan slave trade, which lasted for 17 centuries. For various reasons, the trans-Saharan slave trade – unlike trans-Atlantic slavery – is under-studied.
The international seminar was organised by UNESCO and the Centre for Black and African Arts and Civilisation, or CBAAC, a Nigerian government agency.
Papers presented agreed that both slave trades were unprecedented in history and responsible for the deportation of millions of Africans to various parts of the world.
The participants also considered both slave trades to be crimes against humanity as defined by United Nations resolutions flowing from the 2001 Durban conference on racism, racial discrimination and xenophobia.
Nigerian representatives in UNESCO have for decades urged member countries to examine the Atlantic and trans-Saharan slave trades as a key reason for under-development in Africa.
It was major historical works on this issue by historians like Professor Ade Ajayi of the University of Ibadan in Nigeria, and Professor Joseph Ki-Zerbo of the University of Ouagadougou in Burkina Faso, that finally convinced UNESCO leaders to wake up to the organisation's historical responsibilities to Africa.
As a response to ongoing pressure from Haiti, Nigeria and other Sub-Saharan countries, and Caribbean and South American representatives, UNESCO’s general conference at its 27th session in 1993 approved the Slave Routes Project.
This is a vast research project whose aim, among other things, is to break the silence over one of humanity’s greatest tragedies and also to promote pluralism and intercultural dialogue among nations on the subject.
Armed with the UNESCO mandate Tunde Babawale, a professor at the University of Lagos and director-general of CBAAC, last year organised an international conference, “Slavery, Slave Trade and its Consequences”, at Iloko-Ijesha in Nigeria.
“Many of the papers presented at that conference focused mainly on the trans-Atlantic slave trade,” Babawale said. “Many participants felt that there was need to also focus on the trans-Saharan slave trade. As a scholar I felt that we should also do justice to the other leg of slave routes."
The Nigerian delegation at UNESCO was able to convince the Paris-based UN organisation’s scientific committee on the Slave Route Project to host one of its international conferences in Nigeria. And Calabar, an ancient slave port, was chosen as the location for the event titled “Slave Trade and Slavery in the Arab Islamic World: Untold tragedy and shared heritage”.
In his opening address Toyin Falola, a professor of history at the University of Texas – Austin in the US and vice-chair of the UNESCO committee, affirmed that the seminar was not aimed at casting aspersions on any religion or culture.
“This gathering of researchers is to focus more on promoting research and initiatives on slave trade and slavery in regions insufficiently covered, within Africa and the Arab-Muslim world among others,” he declared.
Common strands
Despite the vast and complex nature of the various papers presented by scholars, there were common strands among them.
Slavery and slave trading are among the oldest economic modes of production in history. Domestic slavery existed in Africa before the advent of externally motivated slave trades by Arabs and Europeans.
The lifespan of slavery varied from one continent to the other.
Africa’s domestic slavery was fuelled by demands for slaves to work in plantations and mines in the Americas, North Africa, the Middle East, the Persian Gulf and South East Asia including China and Japan. Some African kings became active suppliers of Africans as slaves to international European and Arab slave merchants.
The trans-Saharan slave trade commenced late in the 7th century when Abdallah Ben Said, the King of Islamised Egypt, conquered via Jihad the Sudan – “the land of infidels” – and in 652 imposed on Sudanese King Khalidurat a treaty known as Bakht.
One of the clauses of the treaty was the compulsory annual supply by the Sudanese king of hundreds of African slaves to the Muslim king of Egypt. The European trans-Atlantic slave trade took off 10 centuries later, in 1693.
Some of the seminar participants affirmed that while the trans-Atlantic slave trade lasted for four centuries (1693-1884), the trans-Saharan slave trade continued for 17 centuries (652-1960).
There were similarities between the slave trades. Some Arab scholars, such as Ibn Khaldun, justified the trans-Saharan slave trade by interpreting some sections of the Koran that ‘authorised’ the enslavement of African ‘infidels’ by Arab slave merchants, the ‘chosen race’.
And some European scholars supported the trans-Atlantic slave trade by making copious references to the book of Genesis in the Bible. Consequently, slavery was not the product of racism. However, racism was one consequence of slavery.
The participants agreed that both slave routes were responsible for the migration of millions of Africans to other parts of the world. The statistics of deported Africans remain highly controversial among scholars.
One participant referred to the book Le Genocide Viole, written by the Senegalese historian and anthropologist Tidiane N’Diaye, who, using various sources, estimated that the trans-Atlantic slave trade deported some 20 million people while the trans-Saharan slave trade displaced around 10 million Africans.
Silences
Two issues were not given prominence by the participants: women slaves and male castration.
The perpetuation of African slaves was fundamentally assured by women slaves who were indiscriminately coupled to men without their consent.
Castration of numbers of male slaves by Arab merchants was a prominent feature of the trans-Saharan slave trade.
Castrated male slaves were purchased by rich Arab kings and princes and employed as security agents to protect harems where their wives and concubines were caged.
The castration process described in Tidiane N’Diaye’s book is inhumane.
Slavery creates permanent violent conflicts between the slave and the master. Salah Trebelsi, a historian at the University of Lyon in France, gave a graphic description of revolts by African slaves in Iraq between the seventh and the ninth centuries.
A common feature across papers was the perpetuation and preservation of modified African cultures, religions, medicine and music by descendants of African slaves in Arab and Muslin countries.
An illustration of this cultural resistance by descendants of African slaves in Iran was captured in a paper by Behnaz Mirzai of Brock University in Canada, “Africans in Baluchistan: Acculturation and healing rituals”.
A major resolution adopted by conference participants was the need to create a network of researchers on the slave trade and slavery in the Arab and Islamic worlds. A similar network has already been created by UNESCO around the trans-Atlantic slave trade.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Castration of numbers of male slaves by Arab merchants was a prominent feature of the trans-Saharan slave trade.
Castrated male slaves were purchased by rich Arab kings and princes and employed as security agents to protect harems where their wives and concubines were caged.
You might recall that in one of the nonsense articles - a Black one I believe - Black males were routinely castrated by the millions.
Just doing it for harem guards makes a lot more sense - doesn't it. Which means it was just a few thousand, not millions.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
HERE IS ANOTHER SERIOUS ARTICLE..
This one from the BBC. .
The East African Slave Trade
In East Africa a slave trade was well established before the Europeans arrived on the scene. It was driven by the sultanates of the Middle East. African slaves ended up as sailors in Persia, pearl divers in the Gulf, soldiers in the Omani army and workers on the salt pans of Mesopotamia (modern Iraq). Many people were domestic slaves, working in rich households. Women were taken as sex slaves.
Arab traders began to settle among the Africans of the coast, resulting in the emergence of a people and culture known as Swahili. In the second half of the 18th century, the slave trade expanded and became more organised. There was also a huge demand for ivory, and slaves were used as porters to carry it.
There were three main reasons why more slaves were required:
1. The clove plantations on Zanzibar and Pemba set up by Sultan Seyyid Said, needed labour.
2. Brazilian traders were finding it difficult to operate in West Africa because the British navy was intercepting slave ships. The Brazilians made the journey round the Cape of Good Hope, taking slaves from the Zambezi valley and Mozambique.
3. The French had started up sugar and coffee plantations in Mauritius and Reunion.
A number of different people -Arabs and Africans - were involved in supplying slaves from the interior, as well as transporting ivory. They included:
· the prazeros, descendants of Portuguese and Africans, operating along the Zambezi, · the Yao working North East of the Zambezi · the Makua operating East of the Yao, closer to the coast · the Nyamwezi (or Yeke) operating further north around Lake Tanganyika under the leadership of Msiri and Mirambo, who established a trading and raiding state in the 1850's which linked up with the Ovimbundu in what is now modern Angola
The most famous trader of all was Tippu Tip, (Hamed bin Mohammed) a Swahili Arab son of a trader, and grandson of an African slave. He was born in Zanzibar of African Arab parentage and went on to establish a base West of Lake Tanganyika, linking up with Msiri. He and his men operated in an area stretching over a thousand miles from inland to the coast.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
This last article is from Britannica:
When you search "Arab Slave Trade" in Britannica you get "Tanzania" which doesn't make sense until you remember that "Zanzibar" (the Omani headquarters of the Arab Slave trade, is a Tanzanian Island.
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Nearly two-fifths of the population lives in urban areas, and more than one-tenth of the urban population resides in Dar es Salaam. Bagamoyo and Tabora, old towns connected with the 19th-century Arab slave trade, have stagnated.
Zanzibar and Pemba Ethnic groups
There are several groups of Africans present on the islands. Indigenous Bantu groups, consisting of the Pemba in Pemba and the Hadimu and Tumbatu in Zanzibar, have absorbed the settlers who moved from Persia in the 10th century. These groups and some of the descendants of slaves call themselves Shirazi. There are also small enclaves of Comorians and Somalis. Arab settlements were also established early, and intermarriage with the local people took place. Arab arrivals in the 18th and 19th centuries were from Oman and constituted an elite. The Omani immigrants in the early 20th century tended to be less affluent. Asians form a very small minority.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: have absorbed the settlers who moved from Persia in the 10th century.
I included this article because it explains what became of Black Persian survivors after their slaughter by the Mongol invaders and the Arab invaders.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
My avatar is what ES provided among its choices though it's not far fromy actual red nigger looks.
You however are a quintroon 15/16ths Euro white man who in fact may be of Turkish ancestry with your gsy swishing ass.
God knows you may even be one of my al~Takruri bastard 2nd generation offspring.
Don't be mad at me. Your mom's momma knew I was making time. It was up to her to make sure I wasn't making babies.
Do tell, was she one of my flings when I was on shore leave while captaining my atomic submarine in Newport?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^He,he,he,he:
Who you trying to fool Batty Boy?
You wouldn't know a Pussy if it slapped you in the face.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: have absorbed the settlers who moved from Persia in the 10th century.
I included this article because it explains what became of Black Persian survivors after their slaughter by the Mongol invaders and the Arab invaders.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro: [QB] The only thing remotely interesting about this thread or where it is now, is the fact that the high mortality rate of the Arab conquest is never referenced in any scientific piece regarding population genetics. Male slaves were castrated but for some reason in almost all articles I've read with significant "SSA" components North and about the Sahara, the DNA admixture is attributed to slavery (Even Y-Hg's SMH).
That's why you should be looking mtDNA frequency in the Arabian peninsula, namely haplogroup L
The trans-Saharan slave trade - clues from interpolation analyses and high-resolution characterization of mitochondrial DNA lineages Nourdin Harich, Marta D Costa, Verónica Fernandes, Mostafa Kandil, Joana B Pereira, Nuno M Silva and Luísa PereiraEmail author BMC Evolutionary Biology201010:138 DOI: 10.1186/1471-2148-10-138
Males were sought for a variety of functions: doorkeepers, secretaries, militaries or eunuchs. Black soldiers were seen from Islamic Spain to Egypt, and in Morocco a whole generation of black young boys were bought at the age of 10 or 11 and trained to become its army. However, the bulk of the trade was in females, as domestic servants, entertainers and/or concubines: two females for every male overall, in contrast to the ratio of two males for every female overall in the Atlantic trade [15]. Some harems could be enormous, reaching even the extravagating number of 14,000 concubines. Young female slaves were instructed in household crafts and were then provided with resources to buy a home and get married.
The Eastern sub-Saharan slave trade towards Arabia was investigated through mtDNA hypervariable region I (HVRI) diversity [17], leading to concluding that higher frequencies of L lineages are observed in Arab comparatively with non-Arab populations in the Near East, having been introduced in the last 2,500 years. These conclusions were supported afterwards by other studies [18, 19]. This Eastern sub-Saharan slave trade involved mainly maritime routes across the Red Sea, which was dominated by the Southern Arabs, already around the 12th century BC.
The Western trans-Saharan slave trade deserves a more careful genetic investigation. In this work we will present the results of mtDNA haplogroup affiliation of El Jadida population, approximately 100 km south of Casablanca, in the Moroccan Atlantic coast. We performed high-resolution screening of selected haplogroups in this Moroccan sample: haplogroup H, in order to get more evidence on North Mediterranean influence; and haplogroup L3, one of the most geographically diversified sub-Saharan haplogroup. For the L3 haplogroup, we conducted the complete mtDNA sequencing of 8 L3 haplotypes from El Jadida, and compared the complete North African L3 sequences which have been described [14, 20, 21, 22] with the many other known sub-Saharan sequences (summed up in [23]). We also performed analyses of geographical interpolation for sub-Saharan haplogroup frequencies across Africa, by using an extended database summing up 4908 individuals.
When analyzing the proportions of sub-Saharan and West Eurasian mtDNA haplogroups (Table 1) in El Jadida population, the characteristic mixed pool was observed, with frequencies of 30.86% and 69.14%, respectively. The sub-Saharan pool presented the branches L1, L2 and L3, in the following frequencies: 24%, 28% and 48% of the sub-Saharan pool. The basal haplogroup L0 was absent. In the West Eurasian pool, the haplogroups said to have been introduced into North and East Africa as result of a Back-to-Africa migration from the Near East, U6 and M1, were observed with frequencies of 2.47% and 6.17% in El Jadida.
Clearly, the main component of the West Eurasian lineages was made of possible Iberian expanded lineages following the post-glacial climate improvement: H1 (12.35%), V (9.88%) and U5b (1.23%). There were low frequent lineages belonging to the HV branch of the maternal tree which could have come to El Jadida from the Near East, (H* - 3.70%; H7 - 1.23%; HV1 - 1.23%) as well as R0a (3.70%), X (1.23%), N1b (1.23%), J (7.41%), T (2.47%). There was also a considerable amount of U/K lineages, besides the already referred U6 and U5a: K (9.88%), U* (3.70%) and U4 (1.23%). Curiously, five out of eight K individuals in El Jadida presented a substitution on position 16287 (besides the haplogroup defining 16224-16311 polymorphisms); this haplotype was so far observed in 1 Italian (belonging to sub-haplogroup K1a4) and two Moroccan individuals (sub-haplogroup K1a2) out of 789 K sequences in [2] and absent in other North African populations [6].
Sub-Saharan haplogroups across North Africa Based on a database summing up 4908 African and 2178 Near Eastern/Arabian Peninsula individuals (Figure 2A shows sample locations, further indicated in Additional File 1) we assayed interpolation analyses of L haplogroup frequencies. As can be seen in Figure 2B, the north to south increase of frequency across North Africa and the Sahara is visible. In the East of the African continent, the highest L frequencies are attained in more southern latitudes than in the rest of the continent, due to presence of M and some N (R0a and U6) lineages, especially high in Ethiopia.
Recent mtDNA data have shown that considerable local population expansions occurred in Sahel nomadic populations around 4,000 years ago, following important movements of northern and eastern African people towards the recently formed Sahel region. These local expansions were revealed in one branch of the typical East African haplogroups L3f, the L3f3 almost restricted to the Chadic-speaking nomadic groups [1] and in one branch of the typical Iberian haplogroup V in southern Tuareg populations [8]. Thus, the emergence of the modern Sahara, beginning some 4,000 years ago, hardened existing geographical divisions and separated peoples, forcing the black Saharans into the oases or southwards into the more attractive lands of the Sahel.
This barrier in gene flow is evident when attending to the global L haplogroup frequencies in African populations. There is a clear horizontal gradient across the continent, attaining values of 95% and higher in the Sahel region in West and Central Africa, but not in the Eastern African coast where those values are only reached around the border between Tanzania and Mozambique. The lower values for L frequencies in the eastern African coast are due to the southern migration of the Eurasian haplogroup M1, which is typical of East Africa. North Africa reaches L frequencies of 20-40%, while the Arabian Peninsula and the Near East have around 20-30% (only higher in Yemen).
The coalescence ages for the L sequences observed nowadays in North Africa shows the young ancestry of these lineages, which were originated in sub-Saharan Africa in the Holocene. This proves that sub-Saharan people did not leave traces in the maternal gene pool for the time of settlement of North Africa, some 40,000 years ago. And for sure, the continuous publishing of complete L sequences across Africa will reveal still younger ancestors between L sequences observed in both sides of the Saharan desert, bringing its introduction into North Africa to more recent/historical times.
It is also relevant that the interpolation analyses of haplogroups inside the L pool across the Sahara revealed horizontal gradients, matching in a high extent the known trans-Saharan routes. The West is dominated by L1b, L2b, L2c, L2d, L3b and L3d. The Center has L3e and some L3f and L3w. The East bears L0a, L3h, L3i, L3x and, in common with the Center, L3f and L3w. L2a is almost everywhere, strengthening its dominance in the slave package, not only towards the New World, but also in the trans-Saharan trade.
Both these genetic evidences agree with historical data that the introduction of the Asiatic horse into North Africa around 2,000 years ago lengthened the reach of desert nomads' raiding and trading. Before this period, the few black slaves taken from time to time across the Sahara would have been seen on the far side of the Mediterranean as mere exotic household ornaments. But, it may be argued that there was no regular trans-Saharan trade system before the rise of the camel-mounted Berber nomad, in the first Christian centuries, and perhaps not even until after the arrival of the first camel-riding Muslim Arabs in North Africa, in the seventh century [39].
After spending a month in Gao, Ibn Battuta set off with a large caravan for the oasis of Takedda ( in what is now modern Niger). On his journey across the desert, he received a message from the Sultan of Morocco commanding him to return home. He set off for Sijilmasa in September 1353, accompanying a large caravan transporting 600 female slaves, and arrived back in Morocco early in 1354
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Slavery, Agriculture, and Malaria in the Arabian Peninsula (Ecology & History) Kindle Edition by Benjamin Reilly (Author) Ohio University Press (October 29, 2015) Publication Date: October 29, 2015 In Slavery, Agriculture, and Malaria in the Arabian Peninsula, Benjamin Reilly illuminates a previously unstudied phenomenon: the large-scale employment of people of African ancestry as slaves in agricultural oases within the Arabian Peninsula. The key to understanding this unusual system, Reilly argues, is the prevalence of malaria within Arabian Peninsula oases and drainage basins, which rendered agricultural lands in Arabia extremely unhealthy for people without genetic or acquired resistance to malarial fevers. In this way, Arabian slave agriculture had unexpected similarities to slavery as practiced in the Caribbean and Brazil.
This book synthesizes for the first time a body of historical and ethnographic data about slave-based agriculture in the Arabian Peninsula. Reilly uses an innovative methodology to analyze the limited historical record and a multidisciplinary approach to complicate our understandings of the nature of work in an area that is popularly thought of solely as desert. This work makes significant contributions both to the global literature on slavery and to the environmental history of the Middle East—an area that has thus far received little attention from scholars.
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Mike,
What trip lol, I'm not going to no Central Asia as its not my people's land. I have no desire to go there. I feel no love for or longing to go there when I see pictures of it,same when I see pics of Africa or Asia. I do however feel a longing when I see pics of Scotland, Ireland,Germany (mein vaterland,land of my birth).
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^He,he: Hitler youth huh?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
It's a crazy world:
Lioness just finished posting material About the Arab Slave Trade, that I had just finished debunking - with PROOF!
Yet I can guarantee that there are Negroes out there who believe what lioness posted - because it's what the White people teach.
For some, slavery never ended.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Damn you stupid, swish boy.
Confessing on yourself again? Tsk, tsk. All ES knows you the bottom feeder. I mean all ES from 2015 even knows what tub of lube's your fave. You yyourself posted it Rump Ranger (your dirty comic ID when not your regular comic book writer ID Albino Mikey).
Hee hee hee hee
Now You know I'm your moms poppa No need to get uptight and nervous o bastard offspring of mine.
Ask her she'll tell you about my term paper she typed for me my 1st year at university.
Here's an excerpt:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: The citizens of Djenne operated routine staffed businesses comprised of relatives, slaves, and free working class individuals. The firms had branches and representatives in important centers at Tombouktou.
Their warehouses were the ground floor of large houses storing * cereals (rice, millet, semolina) * honey * karita * arachides * spices * onions * indigo * kola nuts * neta flour * monkey bread fruit * lead * iron * ostrich feathers * ivory * virgin gold * civet musk * marble * antimony * native fabrics * linen * wool
Commercial fleet vessels were made of ebony or cedar made watertight by straw, tow, and clay. These craft measure 58-65' x 10 having a maximum displacement of 30 tons thus replacing a 200 camel caravan. The great merchants have their own boats while fleets carrying merchandise and passengers at fixed rates served the less wealthy. Waterproof stuff was placed in the hold and covered by the more delicate merchandise on which passengers lay or sit on their heels protected by an awning.
The market occupies a large square in the town's center intersected with paths for buyers and raised spots for sellers. Three sides are lined by shops, the fourth opening upon the mosque. Women sell food and household goods with piles of cowries beside them indicating their prices. Men sell the choicer goods at the shops in market center marked by three square posts where can be found the money changer who converts gold and silver into cowries. The butcher shop sells joints of meat which are suspended for selection and live sheep. Nearby are free furnaces for roasting purchases after buying fuel from the adjacent wood seller.
Djenne merchants settled in Tombouctou introducing baked brick housing when it was still little more than a watering place for transhumant Twareg pastors.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^He,he,he,he:
Who you trying to fool Batty Boy?
You wouldn't know a Pussy if it slapped you in the face.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^I once again call for help:
What does the above have to do with anything we are discussing?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Things are getting too weird here, so let me wrap things up.
Just about all peoples in the ancient world engaged in Slavery of some kind.
But there was only four (4) institutionalized instances of Slave Trading.
1) The Transatlantic Slave trade, carried on by West African Blacks.
2) The Barbary Coast Slave Trade, carried on by North African Berbers (the real Berbers - Blacks).
3) The Arab Slave Trade, carried on by Black Arabs from Oman.
4) The Asian and East European Slave Trade in Mamluks and Janissaries, carried on by the Turks. Originally to supply Mamluk soldiers for the Black Arab armies.
MAMLUKS:
The Mamluks was the knightly military caste in Egypt in the Middle Ages that rose from the ranks of slave soldiers who were mainly Turkic peoples, Circassians, Abkhazians, Georgians, and Copts. Many Mamluks could also be of Balkan origin (Albanians, Greeks, and South Slavs). The "mamluk phenomenon", as David Ayalon dubbed the creation of the specific warrior class, was of great political importance and was extraordinarily long-lived, lasting from the ninth to the nineteenth centuries.
Over time, mamluks became a powerful military knightly caste in various societies that were controlled by Muslim rulers. Particularly in Egypt, but also in the Levant, Mesopotamia, and India, mamluks held political and military power. In some cases, they attained the rank of sultan, while in others they held regional power as emirs or beys. Most notably, mamluk factions seized the sultanate for themselves centered on Egypt and Syria as the Mamluk Sultanate (1250–1517). The Mamluk Sultanate famously defeated the Ilkhanate at the Battle of Ain Jalut; they had earlier fought the Crusaders in 1154-1169 and 1213-1221, effectively driving them out of Egypt and the Levant. In 1302 they formally expelled the last Crusaders from the Levant, ending the era of the Crusades.
While mamluks were purchased, their status was above ordinary slaves, who were not allowed to carry weapons or perform certain tasks. In places such as Egypt from the Ayyubid dynasty to the time of Muhammad Ali of Egypt, mamluks were considered to be “true lords" and "true warriors" with social status above the general population in Egypt and the Levant.
JANISSARIES
The Janissaries were elite infantry units that formed the Ottoman Sultan's household troops and bodyguards. Sultan Murad I created the force in 1383. They began as an elite corps of slaves made up of conscripted young Christian boys, and became famed for internal cohesion cemented by strict discipline and order. By 1620, they were hereditary, corrupt, and an impediment to reform. The corps was abolished by Sultan Mahmud II in 1826 in the Auspicious Incident in which 6,000 or more were executed.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [QB] ^Things are getting too weird here, so let me wrap things up.
Just about all peoples in the ancient world engaged in Slavery of some kind.
But there was only four (4) institutionalized instances of Slave Trading.
1) The Transatlantic Slave trade, carried on by West African Blacks.
2) The Barbary Coast Slave Trade, carried on by North African Berbers (the real Berbers - Blacks).
3) The Arab Slave Trade, carried on by Black Arabs from Oman.
4) The Asian and East European Slave Trade in Mamluks and Janissaries, carried on by the Turks. Originally to supply Mamluk soldiers for the Black Arab armies.
So you have respect for some of the groups but not the West Africans?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: It's a crazy world:
Lioness just finished posting material About the Arab Slave Trade, that I had just finished debunking - with PROOF!
Yet I can guarantee that there are Negroes out there who believe what lioness posted - because it's what the White people teach.
For some, slavery never ended.
I don't think people understand what you claim to have debunked and more importantly what did happen with the Arab slave trade.
You need to state clearly what DID happen with the Arab slave trade and how that differs from anything I posted.
That doesn't mean doing your typical "but why would they? " rhetorical questions
You need to state clearly what DID happen with the Arab slave trade and how that differs from anything I posted.
Otherwise you are just bullshitting and copying and pasting in lieu of not really saying anything
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
quote:Originally posted by Schizo Albino Mikey: ^Things are getting too weird here, so let me wrap things up. ).
Translation: Fire has been lit up under my ass but before I beat a hasty retreat let me prove my dimwittedness again with more to take ES off the path.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
quote:Originally posted by Schizo Albino Mikey: ^I once again call for help:
What does the above have to do with anything we are discussing?
Heres more meds to help you back into the real world us normal people live in
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Supplying Frobenius' "powerful defense of African civilization" for which he is better remembered and admired by English speaking and Francophone Africans from the Caribbean, the USA, and Senegal.
Perusing Jackson's Intro to Afr Civ lead me to the citation of Frobenius' statement that the "idea of the barbaric Negro is a European invention,". DuBois is the source for the English translations from Histoire de la civilisation Africaine, which in turn is from Back & Ermoat's French translation direct from Frobenius' original German work.
quote: "When they [the first European navigators of the end of the Middle Ages] arrived in the Gulf of Guinea and landed at Vaida, the captains were astonished to find the streets well cared for, bordered for several leagues in length by two rows of trees; for many days they passed through a country of magnificent fields, a country inhabited by men clad in brilliant costumes, the stuff of which they had woven themselves! More to the South in the Kingdom of Congo, a swarming crowd dressed in silk and velvet; great states well ordered, and even to the smallest details, powerful sovereigns, rich industries, -- civilized to the marrow of their bones. And the condition of the countries on the eastern coasts -- Mozambique, for example -- was quite the same.
"What was revealed by the navigators of the fifteenth to the seventeenth centuries furnishes an absolute proof that Negro Africa, which extended south of the desert zone of the Sahara, was in full efflorescence which the European conquistadors annihilated as far as they progressed. For the new country of America needed slaves, and Africa had them to offer, hundreds, thousands, whole cargoes of slaves. However, the slave trade was never an affair which meant a perfectly easy conscience, and it exacted a justification; hence one made of the Negro a half-animal, an article of merchandise. And in the same way the notion of fetish (Portuguese feticeiro) was invented as a symbol of African religion. As for me, I have seen in no part of Africa the Negroes worshipping a fetish. The idea of the 'barbarous Negro' is a European invention which has consequently prevailed in Europe until the beginning of this century.
"What these old captains recounted, these chiefs of expeditions -- Delbes, Marchais, Pigafetta, and all the others, what they recounted is true. It can be verified. In the old Royal Kunstkammer of Dresden, in the Weydemann colection of Ulm, in many another 'cabinet of curiosities' of Europe, we still find West African collections dating from this epoch. Marvellous plush velvets of an extreme softness, made of the tenderest leaves of a certain kind of banana plant; stuffs soft and supple, brilliant and delicate, like silks, woven with the fiber of a raffia, well prepared; powerful javelins with points encrusted with copper in the most elegant fashion; bows so graceful in form and so beautifully ornamented that they would do honor to any museum of arms whatsoever; calabashes decorated with the greatest taste; sculpture in ivory and wood of which the work shows a very great deal of application and style.
"And all that came from cuntries of the African periphery, delivered over after that to slave merchants, . . .
"But when the pioneers of the last century pierced this zone of 'European civilization' and the wall of protection which had, for the time being raised behind it -- the wall of protection of the Negro still 'intact' -- they found everywhere the same marvels which the captains had found on the coast.
to be continued . . .
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: continuing . . .
quote: "In 1906 when I penetrated into the territory of Kassai-Sankuru, I found still, villages of which the principle streets were bordered on each side, for leagues, with rows of palm trees, and of which the houses, decorated each one in charming fashion, were works of art as well.
"No man who did not carry sumptuous arms of iron or copper, with inlaid blades and handles covered with serpent skin. Everywhere velvets and silken stuffs. Each cup, each pipe, each spoon was an object of art perfectly worthy to be compared to the creations of the Roman European style. But all this was only the particularly tender and iridescent bloom which adorns a ripe and marvellous fruit; the gestures, the manners, the moral code of the entire people, from the little child to the old man, although they remained within absolutely natural limits, were imprinted with dignity and grace, in the families of the princes and the rich as in the vassals and slaves. I know of no northern people who can be compared with these primitives for unity of civilization. And the peaceful beauty was carried away by the floods.
"But many men had this experience: the explorers who left the savage and warrior plateau of the East and South and the North to descend into the plains of the Congo, of Lake Victoria, of the Ubangi: men such as Speke and Grant, Livingstone, Cameron, Stanley, Schweinfurth, Junker, de Brazza -- all of them -- made the same statements: they came from countries dominated by the rigid laws of the African Ares, and from then on they penetrated into the countries where peace reigned, and joy in adornment and in beauty; countries of old civilizations, of ancient styles, of harmonious styles.
quote:"Thus in the Sudan old real African warm-blooded culture existed and could be found in Equatorial Africa, where neither Ethiopian thought, Hamitic blood, or European civilization had drawn the pattern. Everywhere when we examine this ancient culture it bears the same impression. In the great museums -- Trocadero, British Museum, in Belgium, Italy, Holland, and Germany -- everywhere we see the same spirit, the same character, the same nature. All of these separate pieces unite themselves to the same expression and build a picture equally impressive as that of a collection of the art of Asia. The striking beauty of the cloth, the fantastic beauty of the drawing and the sculpture, the glory of the ivory weapons, the collection of fairy tales equal to the Thousand and One nights, the Chinese novels, and the Indian philosophy.
"In comparison with such spiritual accomplishments the impression of the African spirit is easily seen. It is stronger in its folds, simpler in its richness. Every weapon is simple and practical, not only in form but fantasy. Every line of carving is simple and strong. There is nothing that makes a clearer impression of strength, and all that streams out of the fire and the hut, the sweat and the grease- treated hides and the animal dung. Everything is practical, strong, workmanly. This is the character of the African style. When one approaches it with full understanding, one immediately realizes that this impression rules all Africa. It expresses itself in the activity of all Negro people even in their sculpture. It speaks out of their dances and their masks; out of the understanding of their religious life, just as out of the reality of their living, their state building, and their conception of fate. It lives in their fables, their fairy stories, their wise sayings and their myths. And once we are forced to this conclusion, then the Egyptian comes into the comparison. For this discovered culture form of Negro Africa has the same peculiarity.
Leo Frobenius Histoire de la Civilisation Africaine translated by Back and Ermoat Paris: Gallimard, 1936 6th edition page 56
in W. E. Burghardt Du Bois The World and Africa: An inquiry into the part which Africa has played in world history New York: Viking Press, 1946 pp. 79, 156
Posted by real expert (Member # 22352) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: In answer to this stupidity: Egypt, Arabia, the Persian Gulf, India, etc: Teem with Black people who for thousands of years worked their own fields, and in the case of Egypt, was the Breadbasket of the ancient world, why would they need Slaves to do what they had been doing for thousands of years? Of course, that Wiki nonsense is merely Albinos extending the false narrative they had developed for the American Hemisphere.
The false narrative I was talking about is this:
Albino- Worshiper Mike11 wants to share with us his divine insights and break through discoveries.
Real Anglo- Saxons WERE BLACK:
Real Anglo - Saxons before they turned into Albinos in America:
Fake Anglo-Saxon Turk Mulatto- Albino. After BLACKS mixed with Albino- Turks they turned to look like that:
The fake ass Turks called Assyrians depicted themselves 3000 years ago like that
to cover up that the real Assyrians looked actually like that.
REAL, pure Assyrians:
Oh wait the newest afrocentric researches discovered that the TURKS were BLACK THEMSELVES so it's time to reclaim the Ottoman Empire as a black Empire.
Arab 3000 years ago:
The stricking resemblance the depicted ancient real Arab has with the real Arab on this pic is staggering.
Looks so ancient Arabic!!!!!!!!!
According to the highly intelligent and wise Mike11 whenever a black African got stolen from Africa and is brought to Arabia and wears Bedouin clothing or other Arabic dresses he turns genetically into the original and real Arab. The evil Albinos have done everythign to hide this truth and scientific facts from the blacks.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Mike Flop >
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
They can ridicule SchizAlbino Mikey from now till the 32nd of Nevuary but they are no friends of mine.
One shot photo spam 'evidence' is just as comic bookish as him.
The autochthone SW Asian black was a local variant and Moorjani among others proved biblical era genomics included characteristics deemed inner African.
Being a continental nexus SW Asia (the NE Africa extension) has been peopled from a plethora of regions throughout the Holocene accounting for its phenotypic diversity such that one can pick whatever image suits their fancy OR else admit the fact of innumerous gradation.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Tukuler, lioness, Elmaestro, and now "real expert": what a peanut gallery of pea brains.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: It's a crazy world:
Lioness just finished posting material About the Arab Slave Trade, that I had just finished debunking - with PROOF!
Yet I can guarantee that there are Negroes out there who believe what lioness posted - because it's what the White people teach.
For some, slavery never ended.
I don't think people understand what you claim to have debunked and more importantly what did happen with the Arab slave trade.
You need to state clearly what DID happen with the Arab slave trade and how that differs from anything I posted.
That doesn't mean doing your typical "but why would they? " rhetorical questions
You need to state clearly what DID happen with the Arab slave trade and how that differs from anything I posted.
Otherwise you are just bullshitting and copying and pasting in lieu of not really saying anything
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The trans-Saharan slave trade - clues from interpolation analyses and high-resolution characterization of mitochondrial DNA lineages
I wonder why you didn't cite this here?
quote: We use high-resolution genetic data to investigate the genetic and linguistic support for hypotheses concerning the population history in the Chad Basin. The mitochondrial L3f3 haplogroup is found almost exclusively in Chadic speaking populations and its TMRCA corresponds well with archaeological and linguistic dates of the proposed migration of Chadic speaking pastoralists from East or North East Africa to the Chad Basin.
Haplogroup L3f is defined by the coding variants
3396-4218-15514-15944del and the control region motif 16209–16519 with a TMRCA of 57,100 ± 9,400 YBP. This haplogroup diversifies into sub-haplogroups L3f1, L3f2 and L3f3. The most geographically widespread sub-haplogroup is L3f1, which is distributed across the African continent [3] and also Arabia [32,33] and has a TMRCA of 48,600 ± 11,500 YBP.
[...]
"The youngest clade, L3f1b2, seems to be more frequent in the Middle East. L3f1a seems to be older (37,700 ± 10,000 YBP) than its sister sub-haplogroup L3f1b and is also less diversified. A few samples from Chad belong to these sub-haplogroups: two to L3f1a and one to L3f1b3."
"We then estimated pairwise FST genetic distances between populations (Additional file 4) and displayed these on a MDS plot (Figure 3). Interesting results are immediately evident – while Chadic populations form a relatively homogeneous group, the Cushitic populations split into two completely different clusters. The first group is composed of Horn of African populations, such as Ethiopian and Somali Cushitic populations, which are close to neighbouring Ethiopian Semitic speaking groups and relatively close also to Chadic people from the Chad Basin. The second Cushitic group is composed by more southern groups from Tanzania, i.e. Burunge and Iraqw, who occupy outlier positions even within the Afro-Asiatic MDS plot. In the MDS plot, geography is more strongly associated with genetic distance than is linguistic affiliation.
Overall, we observe that Chadic speaking populations are intermixed with other populations from Chad Basin, including Niger-Congo, Semitic, and Berber speaking people. In this context, it seems that the linguistic categories play a secondary role in structuring the genetic diversity." [/QB]
--Viktor Černý1 et al.
Migration of Chadic speaking pastoralists within Africa based on population structure of Chad Basin and phylogeography of mitochondrial L3f haplogroup
Nor this:
quote: "Particularly, Yemen has the largest contribution of L lineages (30). So, most probably, this area was the entrance gate of a portion of these lineages in prehistoric times, which participated in the building of the primitive Arabian population."
--Khaled K Abu-Amero et al.
Mitochondrial DNA structure in the Arabian Peninsula
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The Western trans-Saharan slave trade deserves a more careful genetic investigation. In this work we will present the results of mtDNA haplogroup affiliation of El Jadida population, approximately 100 km south of Casablanca, in the Moroccan Atlantic coast. We performed high-resolution screening of selected haplogroups in this Moroccan sample: haplogroup H, in order to get more evidence on North Mediterranean influence; and haplogroup L3, one of the most geographically diversified sub-Saharan haplogroup. For the L3 haplogroup, we conducted the complete mtDNA sequencing of 8 L3 haplotypes from El Jadida, and compared the complete North African L3 sequences which have been described [14, 20, 21, 22] with the many other known sub-Saharan sequences (summed up in [23]). We also performed analyses of geographical interpolation for sub-Saharan haplogroup frequencies across Africa, by using an extended database summing up 4908 individuals.
What happened?
quote:"The results show that the most ancient haplogroup is L3*, which would have been introduced to North Africa from eastern sub-Saharan populations around 20,000 years ago.
[...]
Our results reveal that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra- Saharan Africa."
--Frigi et al.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: When analyzing the proportions of sub-Saharan and West Eurasian mtDNA haplogroups (Table 1) in El Jadida population, the characteristic mixed pool was observed, with frequencies of 30.86% and 69.14%, respectively. The sub-Saharan pool presented the branches L1, L2 and L3, in the following frequencies: 24%, 28% and 48% of the sub-Saharan pool. The basal haplogroup L0 was absent. In the West Eurasian pool, the haplogroups said to have been introduced into North and East Africa as result of a Back-to-Africa migration from the Near East, U6 and M1, were observed with frequencies of 2.47% and 6.17% in El Jadida.
What happened?
quote: "The presence of M haplogroup in Ethiopia, named M1, led to the proposal that haplogroup M originated in eastern Africa, approximately 60,000 years ago, and was carried towards Asia [34]. "
--T Kivisild
quote:localization and the ethnic group (Table 32-2). ... M1 originated in east Africa. Its high frequencies and diversities are found in Ethiopia (20.3%) and in Gurna in Egypt (17.6%). The haplogroup M1 marks an exit from Africa to the Near East (Quintana-Murci et al., 1999; ...
--A Stevanovitch , Dhavendrn Kumar (2004 - 2012)
Genomics and Health in the Developing World
quote:"No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered*. U6 and M1 frequencies in North Africa, the Middle East and Europe DO NOT FOLLOW similar patterns, and their sub-clade divisions do not appear to be compatible with their shared history reaching back to the Early Upper Paleolithic."
--Erwan Pennarun, Toomas Kivisild
(2012) Divorcing the Late Upper Palaeolithic demographic histories of mtDNA haplogroups M1 and U6 in Africa
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Clearly, the main component of the West Eurasian lineages was made of possible Iberian expanded lineages following the post-glacial climate improvement: H1 (12.35%), V (9.88%) and U5b (1.23%). There were low frequent lineages belonging to the HV branch of the maternal tree which could have come to El Jadida from the Near East, (H* - 3.70%; H7 - 1.23%; HV1 - 1.23%) as well as R0a (3.70%), X (1.23%), N1b (1.23%), J (7.41%), T (2.47%). There was also a considerable amount of U/K lineages, besides the already referred U6 and U5a: K (9.88%), U* (3.70%) and U4 (1.23%). Curiously, five out of eight K individuals in El Jadida presented a substitution on position 16287 (besides the haplogroup defining 16224-16311 polymorphisms); this haplotype was so far observed in 1 Italian (belonging to sub-haplogroup K1a4) and two Moroccan individuals (sub-haplogroup K1a2) out of 789 K sequences in [2] and absent in other North African populations [6].
What happened?
quote: Haplogroup L1b roots deeply in the human mtDNA phylogeny and has the characteristic motif 16126, 16187, 16189, 16223, 16264, 16270, 116278, 16311.
[...]
Our results also point to a less ancient western African gene flow to Tunisia involving haplogroups L2a and L3b. Thus the sub-Saharan contribution to northern Africa starting from the east would have taken place before the Neolithic. The western African contribution to North Africa should have occurred before the Sahara’s formation (15,000 BP).
[...]
The dates for subhaplogroups H1 and H3 (13,000 and 10,000 years, respectively) in Iberian and North African populations allow for this possibility. Kefi et al.’s (2005) [data on ancient DNA could be viewed as being in agreement with such a presence in North Africa in ancient times (about 15,000–6,000 years ago) and with the fact that the North African populations are considered by most scholars as having their closest relations with European and Asian populations (Cherni et al. 2008; Ennafaa et al. 2009; Kefi et al. 2005; Rando et al. 1998). How- ever, considering the general understanding nowadays that human settlement of the rest of the world emerged from eastern northern Africa less than 50,000 years ago, a better explanation of these haplogroups might be that their frequencies re- flect the original modern human population of these parts of Africa as much as or more than intrusions from outside the continent. The ways that gene frequencies may increase or decrease based on adaptive selection, gene flow, and/or social processes is under study and would benefit from the results of studies on autosomal and Y-chromosome markers.
[...]
results reveal that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa.
--Frigi et al.
quote: Whereas inferred IBD sharing does not indicate directionality, the North African samples that have highest IBD sharing with Iberian populations also tend to have the lowest proportion of the European cluster in ADMIXTURE (Fig. 1), e.g., Saharawi, Tunisian Berbers, and South Moroccans. For example, the Andalucians share many IBD segments with the Tunisians (Fig. 3), who present extremely minimal levels of European ancestry. This suggests that gene flow occurred from Africa to Europe rather than the other way around.
[...]
Alternative models of gene flow: Migration(s) from the Near East likely have had an effect on genetic diversity between southern and northern Europe (discussed below), but do not appear to explain the gradients of African ancestry in Europe. A model of gene flow from the Near East into both Europe and North Africa, such as a strong demic wave during the Neolithic, could result in shared haplotypes between Europe and North Africa. However, we observe haplotype sharing between Europe and the Near East follows a southeast to southwest gradient, while sharing between Europe and the Maghreb follows the opposite pattern (Fig. 2); this suggests that gene flow from the Near East cannot account for the sharing with North Africa.
--Laura R. Botiguéa,1, Brenna M. Henn et al
Gene flow from North Africa contributes to differential human genetic diversity in southern Europe (July 16, 2013)
Or this, lioness.
quote:Haplogroup H dominates present-day Western European mitochondrial DNA variability (>40%), yet was less common (~19%) among Early Neolithic farmers (~5450 BC) and virtually absent in Mesolithic hunter-gatherers.
Here we investigate this major component of the maternal population history of modern Europeans and sequence 39 complete haplogroup H mitochondrial genomes from ancient human remains. We then compare this 'real-time' genetic data with cultural changes taking place between the Early Neolithic (~5450 BC) and Bronze Age (~2200 BC) in Central Europe. Our results reveal that the current diversity and distribution of haplogroup H were largely established by the Mid Neolithic (~4000 BC), but with substantial genetic contributions from subsequent pan-European cultures such as the Bell Beakers expanding out of Iberia in the Late Neolithic (~2800 BC). Dated haplogroup H genomes allow us to reconstruct the recent evolutionary history of haplogroup H and reveal a mutation rate 45% higher than current estimates for human mitochondria.
--Brotherton P1, Haak W, Templeton J,
Nat Commun. 2013;4:1764. doi: 10.1038/ncomms2656.
Neolithic mitochondrial haplogroup H genomes and the genetic origins of Europeans.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Fart on castrato
Yes, I pissed all on your Oedipus complex Stockholm Syndrome why-didnt-god-make- me-pure-white scrambled egg of a 'brain'.
Your predicted 2 liner nonresponse to massive Africana data putting you in check was predicted just like it was for your lover Cassi 5 years ago.
You're exposed for the quintroon anti-black racist that you are, no different than Eurocentrics that mouth your same garbage and impotent in the face of facts shredding your prejudiced opinions to hell where your devil monkey ass belongs.
quote:Originally posted by SchizAlbino Mikey: Tukuler, lioness, Elmaestro, and now "real expert": what a peanut gallery of pea brains.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by real expert: Oh wait the newest afrocentric researches discovered that the TURKS were BLACK THEMSELVES so it's time to reclaim the Ottoman Empire as a black Empire.
According to the highly intelligent and wise Mike11 whenever a black African got stolen from Africa and is brought to Arabia and wears Bedouin clothing or other Arabic dresses he turns genetically into the original and real Arab. The evil Albinos have done everythign to hide this truth and scientific facts from the blacks.
You may want to explain yourself here? lol
Based on what is this an "ancient Arab", from 3000 years ago?
A Syrian mercenary drinking beer in the company of his Egyptian wife and child, c. 1350 BC. Photograph: Bettmann/Corbis
You tell me, who comes closer?
Him?
Or these? Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The trans-Saharan slave trade - clues from interpolation analyses and high-resolution characterization of mitochondrial DNA lineages
I wonder why you didn't cite this here?
Nice catch Ish Gebor, I pondered it, but then rejected it. Here is why:
Situations like this is also why I was careful to identify the type of slavery I was talking about as "Institutional" meaning that it had all the trappings of Business and Government together.
My reading on the trans-Saharan slave trade makes me think that researchers are grouping together the normal trafficking of slaves (which has always occurred), with NORMAL migration patterns, and giving it the name "trans-Saharan slave trade" as if it was a going concern (a business).
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
See how Eurocentric Euro-loving SchizAlbino Mikey failed to list RealExpert.
Ignorant and helpless against the massive Africana data shock attack to his comic book Oedipal white loving system he kisses up to Ish hoping to retain an allie (knowing if he bad mouths his Oedipal objects it will be enough to pacify the Diasporans into giving him a passcard to malign the Continentals w/o a peep of protest).
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Ish Gebor - I found this very simple explanation of the so-called "trans-Saharan slave trade" by the global teachers network (it's for school children):
TRANS-SAHARAN SLAVE TRADE
While the trans-Saharan trade route was used to transport goods, it was also used to transport slaves and people. The Trans-Saharan slave trade was between North Africa and sub-Saharan Africa. It began with the start of the Trans-Saharan caravan trade route and the introduction of the camel in the 7th Century C.E. Extending from the Sub-Saharan West African kingdoms and across the Sahara Desert to Europe, the trade route connected many African empires to the European world such as Ghana, Mali, and Songhay.
Between the 10th to the 19th century, about 6,000 to 7,000 slaves were transported along the trans-Saharan slave trade route each year, resulting in a total of nine million slaves exported total. Slaves were typically sent north, while salt and other goods were sent south. The route of the trans-Saharan slave trade was often used to send large numbers of African people north to be slaves, servants, and soldiers. Many women were captured to be servants and men were used as soldiers and slaves.
I don't know about you, but that sounds like people embellishing and plain-ass making stuff up to me.
Remember how Moulay Ismaïl of Morocco was supposed to have gone down to Africa (he,he: the other part of Africa) and brought back 150,000 slave soldiers, which later grew to an army of 1.5 million men.
Surely you must know that's merely Albinos and Mulattoes trying to explain-away Morocco's Black population. Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Maroc is Africa.
Damn boy you stupid
Hee hee hee hee
How many times have ESers posted Ismail rounded up blacks native to Maroc and that his mother was notably black.
Anyway it was Mansour who invaded Songhai.
Some diligent research there Albino Mikey. It id just about below even an inept school child's level.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: See how Eurocentric Euro-loving SchizAlbino Mikey failed to list RealExpert.
Ignorant and helpless against the massive Africana data shock attack to his comic book Oedipal white loving system he kisses up to Ish hoping to retain an allie (knowing if he bad mouths his Oedipal objects it will be enough to pacify the Diasporans into giving him a passcard to malign the Continentals w/o a peep of protest).
Websters:
Full Definition of gadfly
1 : any of various flies (as a horsefly, botfly, or warble fly) that bite or annoy livestock
2 : a person who stimulates or annoys especially by persistent criticism
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
quote:Originally posted by Whatbox:
quote:Originally posted by Alive: Perpetual Arab Domination?:
quote:Originally posted by markellion: More spamming articles:
"Trans-Saharan Trade and the West African Discovery of the Mediterranean World"
quote:Before the wider introduction of firearms in the 16th century, the Arab rulers of Northern Africa had no real possibilities to threaten their West African counterparts with war, as there were no such differences between the military technology which guaranteed them any absolute superiority. Furthermore, the West African armies were very large, although the claims in Arabic sources, such as the ruler of Ghana having an army of 200,000 warriors, are certainly exaggerating. Yet, in any case, we can speak of tens of thousands. To send an army of an equal size across the Sahara was extremely hazardous, and the success of the Moroccan invasion in Timbuktu in 1591 is rather an exception which reinforces the general rule: the ruler of Songhay empire considered it unnecessary to poison the wells in the desert or to organize any effective counter-attack, because he was convinced that the Moroccans would perish in the desert anyway. In fact, Judar Pasha did lose a great deal of his men during the deathly march across the western Sahara. Besides the desert, another natural advantage which protected the West Africans, was the unhealthy environment. Most parts of the savanna are infected by trypanosomiasis, which is lethal especially for quadrupeds, thus preventing the large scale use of cavalry forces in this area.
An illustrative example of the military encounter between North and West African states is the dispute on the possession of the important salt mines of Taghaza in central Sahara. At first Taghaza had been controlled by the Saharan nomads, but in the early 14th century the rulers of Mali managed to maintain some control over the routes leading these mines from the south. By the end of the following century, the askias of Songhay, which had superceded superceded Mali as the dominant power in Western Africa, extended their rule even further in the desert and appointed a governor in Taghaza. However, in 1544, Sultan Muhammad al-Mahdi, the founder of Sa'did power in Morocco, demanded the ruler of Songhay, askia Ishaq I, to give him the mines. Askia Ishaq naturally refused to do it, and a war broke out. The Moroccans sent an army to occupy Taghaza, but the army was destroyed in the desert. As response to this, a Songhay army consisting of Tuaregs, attacked northwards and sacked the southern parts of Morocco, forcing Sultan Muhammad to flee from Marrakesh. Similarly, the rulers of Bornu, lying around Lake Chad, were able to expand their political dominance deep into Fezzan, occupying the oases until the 16th century....
quote: The royal pilgrimages had also an important role in maintaining diplomatic relations with North African rulers. Yet official state visits were performed much earlier. Already in the first half of the 12th century, the Muslim ruler of a West African state called Diafunu visited Marrakesh where he met the reigning Almoravid amir Ali b. Yusuf (1106-43). Even before this visit, the Rustamid imam of Tahert had sent in early 9th century a delegation with precious gifts to the court of the "King of Blacks", referring most likely to the ruler of Gao, definitely pagan by that time. In the 14th century, delegations were exchanged regularly between the West and North African capitals. Diplomatic relations were looked after also by correspondence. Unfortunately, no letters have survived, and there are only some references to their contents in the Arabic sources, but presumably they dealt mostly with business affairs. In the early 13th century, the governor of Sijilmasa, which was the most important terminus of the trans-Saharan caravan routes in southern Morocco, sent a following letter to the king of Ghana who was by then the most powerful ruler in Western Africa:
"We are neighbours in benevolence even if we differ in religion; we agree on right conduct and are one in leniency towards our subjects. It goes without saying that justice is an essential quality of kings in conducting sound policy; tyranny is the preoccupation of ignorant and evil minds. We have heard about the imprisonment of poor traders and their being prevented from going freely about their business. The coming to and fro of merchants to a country is of benefit to its inhabitants and a help to keeping it populous. If we wished we would imprison the people of that region who happen to be in our territory but we do not think it right to do that. We ought not to "forbid immorality while practising it ourselves". Peace be upon you."
Considering the contents of this letter, there is no doubt who had the actual control over the trade in the south.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: I hope no one's saying the blue eyed Spaniard renegade from Las Cuevas, Djudar Pasha and his contingent, hired by the sultan of Morocco was black? That would be a fanciful history.
In 1545 Askia Ishaq hired Tuareg mercenaries to pillage Dra'a a town in southern Morocco. This show of force was in response to sultan Mouley Muhammed el Kebir embassy to Songhai claiming the salt mines in Thegazza just south of Morocco. He also wrote a letter in answer to the claim which turned out to be prophetic "...the Ishaq who will listen to it is not I. That Ishaq has yet to be born." The Mefusa remained vassals of Songhai.
The next sultan, Mouley Abdallah, asked the next askia, Daud, for rent to use the mines. Askia Daud refused to cede the town or its mines but did sent the sultan a conciliatory letter and 10,000 mithqals of gold.
The sultan after that, el Mansour, sent an embassy to Songhai with valued tributory gifts. However, their true mission was reconnaissance of the Songhai empire's army and infrastructure. Askia el Hadji Muhammed III entertained the embassy at Gao, later sending them back to Morocco with better gifts than they gave him.
Instead of impressing the sultan this only aroused his avarice. El Mansour invaded Thegazza with a force of 200 musketeers. The Songhai retreated and set up mining operations in Taoudenni. El Mansour now had salt mines but no miners nor the gold of the Sudan.
When Askia Ishaq II came to Songhai's throne, el Mansour demanded a tax of one mithqal of gold for every load of salt sent to the Western Sudan (the Berber peoples of North Africa called West Africa the Sudan, meaning "land of the Black peoples"). The askia refused, sending a gift of swords and javelins, hinting at war.
El Mansour convened with his advisers laying out a plan of attack. He overruled the council's anti-war objections. He felt his trump card was guns and cannons, new weapons the Sudanese did not have. El Mansour set about assembling a crack invasion force that set out in 1590. All this was instigated by the plea of a Sonrhai named Uld Kirinfil who had been banished to Morocco by Askia Ishaq II. Uld claimed that Ishaq usurped reign from him. He begged the sultan with promises of reward if he would help him reclaim Songhai's throne.
They took the region south of Timbuktu without resistance and headed toward Gao. Askia Ishaq II met the invaders at Toundibi in the month Djomada 1591 with 30,000 infantry and 12,000 calvary. But the Spanish speaking invaders (2000 infantry musketeers and 2000 cavaliers with 6 heavy cannon and a number of small ones) defeated the valiant defenders. Faced against new gunpowdered firearms, the brave soldiery of Songhai did not turn to flee.
They held their ground and were slaughtered without opportunity to surrender. The askia, however, sought refuge in Borgu after agreeing to an annual tribute and presenting Djuder with 100,000 mitqals of gold and 1000 slaves.
When el Mansour received the gold, slaves, musk, ebony, and other spoil he employed 14,000 smiths to mint new pure gold coins to replace the adulterated money of Morocco. He was now nicknamed el Dekebi, the golden. Songhai's defeat was recorded as: "The army of the day has fallen upon the army of the night. The whiteness of the one has destroyed the blackness of the other."
Hell broke loose in Songhai. Djudar was replaced by Mahmud. The Moorish forces dealt wreck and ruin everywhere. Kaghu usurped the abdicated askiaship from Ishaq II. He was not able to route the havoc of the Moors. They captured him and executed him by demolishing a house on top of him. The Moors continued their unspeakable ravaging of the Sudan. Askia Nuh took up the valiant effort to try to hold the empire together and rid it of the Moorish threat.
The Moorish musketeer force was largely composed of moriscos (renegade Europeans, primarily Spaniards) who were so white that Moroccans called them Rouma which term the Sudanese adopted as Arma. These settled Arma took on Sudanese concubines generation after generation up until the 18th century when their power waned.
John Henrik Clarke Times of Trouble Ch 9 of The Horizon History of Africa McGraw Hill 1971 J. C. deGraft-Johnson African Glory New York Walker & Co. 1954 E. W. Bovill Golden Trade of the Moors London Oxford University Press 1958 Felix Dubois Timbuctoo the Mysterious New York Negro Universities Press 1969 (reprint of 1896)
quote:Originally posted by markellion: WHO DID THEY REALLY SELL INTO SLAVERY II?
quote:"Ahmed Baba headed the world-famous Sankore University, in Timbuktu for thirty years. Timbuktu was considered by Europeans, as the city "arched in gold and clothed in education." Ahmed Baba is considered by historians as the greatest scholar, the most extraordinary intellect, and the most prolific writer of the sixteenth century. Under his administration, Sankore became the center of the world's scientific knowledge. Its structure consisted of faculties of law, medicine and surgery, letters, grammar, manufacturing, building, and other allied craft. High standards were required in the elementary and secondary schools in Songhai in order to meet the exacting admission requirements of the university.
In 1591, Islamic and Christian forces attacked the Songhai Empire, which was larger than the continent of Europe, in order to capture Songhai's gold mines. They concentrated on the great cities of Gao, Jenne, and Timbuktu to neutralize the intellectual leadership of Songhai. Ahmed Baba and other leading intellectuals were carried north in chains by the Islamic Caliph al-Mansur to the Moroccan capital of Marrakesh and thrown into prison. In the Moslem and Christian destruction of Songhai, libraries were destroyed or stolen, including the one thousand-six-hundred-book library of Sankore. Of the forty books authored by Ahmed Baba, two are known to still be in existence. One is an autobiography and the other is entitled Al-Kabir. They are located in the Ahmed Baba Documentation Center in Timbuktu, established in 1971. During the invasion, the infrastructure and the social fabric of Songhai were destroyed. Basil Davidson says, " The invasion cost Songhai and its descendants its place in history . . . robbing that great empire of its vitality. . . . " Europeans now descended on this wealthy, huge empire with unmatched cruelty. Songhai's sad end is described in Tarikh es Sudan by eyewitness Muhammad es Sadi. While the Europeans did not find the yellow gold, they found Black gold, the enslavement of the Songhai prisoners-of-war. They took the Songhai doctors and dentists, lawyers and lecturers, professors and princes, students and surveyors, musicians and mayors and marched them to the seas to the waiting ships to be brought to America in chains. Even greater an injustice than that, they ripped the Black pages out of the books of history so that the Songhai descendants in America would not know about their great ancestors such as Ahmed Baba."
* note that religion did not prevent either europeans or arabs from attacking and enslaving black africans and destroying our civilizations--when it comes to us neither of them fully practice the religion they preach, both the arabs and the europeans have been a plague on africa and her children--A HARD LESSON of OUR HISTORY
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Ish Gebor - I found this very simple explanation of the so-called "trans-Saharan slave trade" by the global teachers network (it's for school children):
TRANS-SAHARAN SLAVE TRADE
While the trans-Saharan trade route was used to transport goods, it was also used to transport slaves and people. The Trans-Saharan slave trade was between North Africa and sub-Saharan Africa. It began with the start of the Trans-Saharan caravan trade route and the introduction of the camel in the 7th Century C.E. Extending from the Sub-Saharan West African kingdoms and across the Sahara Desert to Europe, the trade route connected many African empires to the European world such as Ghana, Mali, and Songhay.
Between the 10th to the 19th century, about 6,000 to 7,000 slaves were transported along the trans-Saharan slave trade route each year, resulting in a total of nine million slaves exported total. Slaves were typically sent north, while salt and other goods were sent south. The route of the trans-Saharan slave trade was often used to send large numbers of African people north to be slaves, servants, and soldiers. Many women were captured to be servants and men were used as soldiers and slaves.
I don't know about you, but that sounds like people embellishing and plain-ass making stuff up to me.
Remember how Moulay Ismaïl of Morocco was supposed to have gone down to Africa (he,he: the other part of Africa) and brought back 150,000 slave soldiers, which later grew to an army of 1.5 million men.
Surely you must know that's merely Albinos and Mulattoes trying to explain-away Morocco's Black population.
It's highly exaggerated by them. And besides that, the population fundamentally always has been "black", of a "different ethnic stock", but still "black".
They completely leave out the history of Islam in West Africa.
quote:Medieval traveler Ibn Batuta wrote about visiting Sijilmasa (near Tafilalt) in the fourteenth century on his journey from Fez to "the country of the blacks". It was later destroyed, but even its ruins extend five miles along the river bank.
quote: The town's history was marked by several successive invasions by Berber dynasties. Up until the 14th century, as the northern terminus for the western trans-Sahara trade route, it was one of the most important trade centres in the Maghreb during the Middle Ages.[1]
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: And besides that, the population fundamentally always has been "black", of a "different ethnic stock", but still "black".
The last time we had that particular situation was with these two. (A mulatto who liked White chicks).
.
. If you google "Spain" you get THESE people. .
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
And besides that, the population fundamentally always has been "black", of a "different ethnic stock", but still "black".
The last time we had that particular situation was with these two. (A mulatto who liked White chicks).
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. Current Moroccan King and family
. Somehow, I don't think this guy wants to have a bunch of Black people coming around calling him "My King".
I'm only half joking when I say that if he can't hide-um, he might kill-um.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^When you google Morocco, you get THESE!
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How long before they totally displace THESE people...
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Like they did in Spain.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
@Tukuler, Whatbox, markellion. Nice post.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
The air is fouled with castrato falsetto SchizAlbino hypocrite farts (as usual). Hee hee hee, damn boy thinks we'ze all stupid as him. Fucking Google instant expert.
Krakerbak playing Gnawa/Gnoua trance is a Bambara (Mali) religio-music import. Vanilla Quintroon African black haters know naught about that. They just wanna **** your mind -- if you let 'em.
So go on and trust a Eurocentric w/no respect for Africa to teach you about that which he despises (the source of the 1/16th holding him back from Euro white acceptance as one of their own) with some 'do as I say, not as I do' hand jive. There's a sucka born every minute, he's counting on YOU being his sucka.
Hee hee hee
quote:Originally posted by SchizoMikey: ^Some of you may think that when you "Google" you are getting a broad and accurate panorama of material on the subject of interest.
Not so - google is just another arm of the Albino supremacy system. The material on google is What Albinos have put there for you to see
How long before they totally displace THESE people...
.
Like they did in Spain.
The air is fouled with castrato falsetto SchizAlbino hypocrite farts (as usual). Hee hee hee, damn boy thinks we'ze all stupid as him. Fucking Google instant expert.
Krakerbak playing Gnawa/Gnoua trance is a Bambara (Mali) religio-music import. Vanilla Quintroon African black haters know naught about that. They just wanna **** your mind -- if you let 'em.
So go on and trust a Eurocentric w/no respect for Africa to teach you about that which he despises (the source of the 1/16th holding him back from Euro white acceptance as one of their own).
Posted by redShift (Member # 11143) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Punos_Rey: Aren't you of African descent yourself?
ALL humans, including Albino Europeans and Asians are of African descent.
Your point?
So, you hate yourself?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^What a juvenile analogy.
What a tiny brain you must have.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [qb] And besides that, the population fundamentally always has been "black", of a "different ethnic stock", but still "black".
The last time we had that particular situation was with these two. (A mulatto who liked White chicks).
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Ferdinand II is not a mulatto. Stop being a brainless idiot
Posted by redShift (Member # 11143) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^What a juvenile analogy.
What a tiny brain you must have.
Self hate, its a hell of a drug.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by redShift:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^What a juvenile analogy.
What a tiny brain you must have.
Self hate, its a hell of a drug.
. You average 1.1 posts a year, damn you must be some deep thinker!
He,he,he,he:
I don't recall the moniker, who did you used to be?
Posted by redShift (Member # 11143) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by redShift:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^What a juvenile analogy.
What a tiny brain you must have.
Self hate, its a hell of a drug.
. You average 1.1 posts a year, damn you must be some deep thinker!
He,he,he,he:
I don't recall the moniker, who did you used to b wae?
So you calculate intelligence based on number of posts? Lol that would explain all the talk of little brains... I think it's called projecting. Which would also explain the self hate.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^I didn't say you were stupid, just a slow thinker.
It took ten days for this reply, you have to admit that's a long time for a snazzy retort.
You are obviously the Tree Sloth of posters, but nobody ever said that Sloths were stupid - just Slow.
And they're very cute!
Posted by redShift (Member # 11143) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^I didn't say you were stupid, just a slow thinker.
It took ten days for this reply, you have to admit that's a long time for a snazzy retort.
You are obviously the Tree Sloth of posters, but nobody ever said that Sloths were stupid - just Slow.
And they're very cute!
see how slow you are? how do you know that i didnt check this site in 10 days? which would explain my 1.5 posts a year. haha. either way dont let the bulb burn out on your projector, projecting such good quality images.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by redShift: see how slow you are? how do you know that i didnt check this site in 10 days? which would explain my 1.5 posts a year. haha. either way dont let the bulb burn out on your projector, projecting such good quality images.
. I assume you are saying that you only check the forum once every ten days.
Okay - then what's the point of posting?
You can't possibly follow what's going on in real time, so you're commenting on things that have been passed long ago. Is that intelligent?
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