quote:So the Oceanic Mongoloid originates in Anatolia and the Han originate in Central Asia.
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
The Classical Mongoloids, Austronesian or Oceanic Mongoloid type were called Yin, Feng, Yen, Zhiu Yi and Lun Yi.
The Classical mongoloids appear to may have originated in Anatolia. The Han and Mongolians (the taller) mongoloids originated in the Tian Shan mountains.
quote:The entire Black populations of the Americas and Asia, are of African Origin. Clyde has done well by connecting every Black population in the world to Africans. His using the Mande, is the language he has access to. Others have used Igbo language in Nigeria.
Originally posted by Doug M:
As usual Clyde comes up with a convoluted argument and says the oldest Chinese remains were "Negroid" but then turns around and says that the earliest Chinese dynasties were Africans....
Black people generally are the oldest populations in Asia, as evidenced by New Guinea and Australia, along with other aboriginal groups in South Asia. This "African" connection to black populations in Asia because of "features" is simply absurd. The genetic lineages of these people are Asian as one would expect of very ancient aboriginal populations. But of course that wont stop Clyde from trying to connect every black population in the world in history to Mande speaking Africans....
quote:Thank you for sharing your article.
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Archaeological and cranial features research makes it clear that Negroids were very common to ancient China. Sanz (2014) and Weidenreich (1939) who have shown that the first anatomically modern humans in East Asia 24kya were Melanoid (i.e., Negroes), not mongoloids .
F. Weidenreich ( 1939) noted that the one of the earliest skulls of anatomically modern humans (amh) from north China found in the Upper Cave of Zhoukoudian, were Oceanic or Melanesoid (Negro) skeletons (Chang, 1977; Weidenreich, 1939). The Melanesoid skeletons are dated between 24-27kya (Sanz, 2014). The individual in the Lower Cave was a Homo Erectus hominid (Sinanthropus pekinensis ) .
The archaeological evidence indicates that the cranial features of the Negro or Sub-Saharan African phenotype was the dominant group in South China. Kwang-chih Chang, writing in the 4th edition of Archaeology of ancient China (1986) wrote that:" by the beginning of the Recent (Holocene) period the population in North China and that in the southwest and in Indochina had become sufficiently differentiated to be designated as Mongoloid and OCEANIC NEGROID races respectively…."(p.64). By the Upper Pleistocene the Negroid type was typified by the Liu-chiang skulls from Yunnan (Chang, 1986, p.69). As a result, the mongoloid populations in East Asia only arrive in the region during the recent Holocene , while amh SSA had been in East Asia for over 27,000.
Negroid skeletons dating to the early periods of Southern Chinese history have been found in Shangdong, Jiantung, Sichuan, Yunnan, Pearl River delta and Jiangxi especially at the initial sites of Chingliengang and Mazhiabang phases ( Chang, 1977, p.76) . The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Dawenkou culture of North China.
The presence of Negroid skeletal remains at Dawenkou sites make it clear that Negroes were still in the Northern East Asia in addition to South China. The Dawenkou culture predates the Lung-shan culture which is associated with the Xia civilization.
References:
Chang. K (1986). The archaeology of ancient China. New Haven, Yale University Press .
Chang. K (1977). The archaeology of ancient China. New Haven, Yale University Press .
Sanz, Nuria . (2014). Human origin sites and the World Heritage Convention in Asia. UNESCO.
Weidenreich. F.( 1939). On the earliest representative of modern mankind recovered on the soil of East Asia, Bull. Nat. Hist. Soc. Peiping 13:161-173.
Winters,C. (2014). AFRICAN AND DRAVIDIAN ORIGINS OF THE MELANESIANS. Indian Journal of Fundamental and Applied Life Sciences , 4(3):694-704. http://www.cibtech.org/J-LIFE-SCIENCES/PUBLICATIONS/2014/Vol-4-No-3/JLS-103-JLS-073-JUN-CLYDE-AFRICAN-MELANESIANS.pdf
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quote:It does seem wacky. but the research of Paul Kekai Manansala illustrated that the Austronesian languages had a genetic relationship with Sumerian language.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:So the Oceanic Mongoloid originates in Anatolia and the Han originate in Central Asia.
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
The Classical Mongoloids, Austronesian or Oceanic Mongoloid type were called Yin, Feng, Yen, Zhiu Yi and Lun Yi.
The Classical mongoloids appear to may have originated in Anatolia. The Han and Mongolians (the taller) mongoloids originated in the Tian Shan mountains.
Clyde correct me if I am wrong but that seems quite wacky
quote:The illustrations were made by me so you can post them. First, just download the article. Next if you have a printer/scanner make copies of the illustrations in the art palatte if you have a PC. Finally, you can post the illustrations on line. You may also want to check out this article: https://www.academia.edu/340950/Dravidian_Settlements_In_Ancient_Polynesia
Originally posted by jantavanta:
quote:Thank you for sharing your article.
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Archaeological and cranial features research makes it clear that Negroids were very common to ancient China. Sanz (2014) and Weidenreich (1939) who have shown that the first anatomically modern humans in East Asia 24kya were Melanoid (i.e., Negroes), not mongoloids .
F. Weidenreich ( 1939) noted that the one of the earliest skulls of anatomically modern humans (amh) from north China found in the Upper Cave of Zhoukoudian, were Oceanic or Melanesoid (Negro) skeletons (Chang, 1977; Weidenreich, 1939). The Melanesoid skeletons are dated between 24-27kya (Sanz, 2014). The individual in the Lower Cave was a Homo Erectus hominid (Sinanthropus pekinensis ) .
The archaeological evidence indicates that the cranial features of the Negro or Sub-Saharan African phenotype was the dominant group in South China. Kwang-chih Chang, writing in the 4th edition of Archaeology of ancient China (1986) wrote that:" by the beginning of the Recent (Holocene) period the population in North China and that in the southwest and in Indochina had become sufficiently differentiated to be designated as Mongoloid and OCEANIC NEGROID races respectively…."(p.64). By the Upper Pleistocene the Negroid type was typified by the Liu-chiang skulls from Yunnan (Chang, 1986, p.69). As a result, the mongoloid populations in East Asia only arrive in the region during the recent Holocene , while amh SSA had been in East Asia for over 27,000.
Negroid skeletons dating to the early periods of Southern Chinese history have been found in Shangdong, Jiantung, Sichuan, Yunnan, Pearl River delta and Jiangxi especially at the initial sites of Chingliengang and Mazhiabang phases ( Chang, 1977, p.76) . The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Dawenkou culture of North China.
The presence of Negroid skeletal remains at Dawenkou sites make it clear that Negroes were still in the Northern East Asia in addition to South China. The Dawenkou culture predates the Lung-shan culture which is associated with the Xia civilization.
References:
Chang. K (1986). The archaeology of ancient China. New Haven, Yale University Press .
Chang. K (1977). The archaeology of ancient China. New Haven, Yale University Press .
Sanz, Nuria . (2014). Human origin sites and the World Heritage Convention in Asia. UNESCO.
Weidenreich. F.( 1939). On the earliest representative of modern mankind recovered on the soil of East Asia, Bull. Nat. Hist. Soc. Peiping 13:161-173.
Winters,C. (2014). AFRICAN AND DRAVIDIAN ORIGINS OF THE MELANESIANS. Indian Journal of Fundamental and Applied Life Sciences , 4(3):694-704. http://www.cibtech.org/J-LIFE-SCIENCES/PUBLICATIONS/2014/Vol-4-No-3/JLS-103-JLS-073-JUN-CLYDE-AFRICAN-MELANESIANS.pdf
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I am interested in the comparison of Fijian and West African Place names. I would have liked to pin your article on my Pinterest board to reach more readers.
https://www.pinterest.com/gikit/asia-diaspora/
But your article, like most academic articles, is in PDF. It is difficult (maybe for copyright reasons) to share image excerpts from PDF documents onto Pinterest.
quote:The Classical mongoloids are represented by the smallest mongoloid populations like the Indonesians, Rohingya Boat People, Khmer, Thais, Filipinos and etc. Many of the Classical mongoioids are dark skin.
Originally posted by Thereal:
Can you define these type Mongoloids so I can get a better understanding of who you're talking about.
quote:Logic has nothing to do with archaeological and historical research. To write history you look at primary and secondary sources, and artifacts. You have presented only an article in support of your proposition, without any hard data of an invasion of India and China by Caucasians around the same time.
Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
The Zhou were not Mongoloid, how many times do we have to go over this? The Zhou were White Indo-Europeans coming from Central Asia, and their chariots were identical to the Aryan chariots used in India.
Skeletons from the Zhou era show Europid genetic affinities and types moreso then mongoloid Chinese. The Zhou sacrificed white horses and they had a paternal land inheritance feudal system, and they had large scale chariot and horse burials. All these were characterical of Androvono white eurasian people's, and not any other peoples or cultures.
The Zhou invaded China right around the time period of the supposed Aryan migration to Southern Asia and they were a indo-European horse cavalry culture from the northern regions outside of China. I'm sorry but it's a fact that the Zhou were Indo-Europeans and you can't keep lying and making **** up in the age of the internrt, where we can search up evidence for subjects like these.
And all the evidence shows that the Zhou were White indo-European peoples, like the Scythians, Tocharians, Parthians, Seres, and Wusun. The evidence is just too overwhelming to deny it!
If the Zhou and Shang were not White Indo-European types from Central Asia and Siberia, which they were; then there is no Aryan migration event into Southern Asia; because the scenarios for these events are connected and denying one is tantamount to contradicting the other. If an Aryan migration did happen, then both the Shang and Zhou had to have been White indo-European peoples going by geography and dates and logic, ancient China is right next to India and is sorrounded by similar natural barriers.
quote:No they aren't. The DNA of the ancient aboriginal blacks in the Americas do not match any African population. The original populations of the Americas came from Asia and the initial groups were aboriginal black Asians from various parts of Asia and the Pacific.
Originally posted by jantavanta:
quote:The entire Black populations of the Americas and Asia, are of African Origin. Clyde has done well by connecting every Black population in the world to Africans. His using the Mande, is the language he has access to. Others have used Igbo language in Nigeria.
Originally posted by Doug M:
As usual Clyde comes up with a convoluted argument and says the oldest Chinese remains were "Negroid" but then turns around and says that the earliest Chinese dynasties were Africans....
Black people generally are the oldest populations in Asia, as evidenced by New Guinea and Australia, along with other aboriginal groups in South Asia. This "African" connection to black populations in Asia because of "features" is simply absurd. The genetic lineages of these people are Asian as one would expect of very ancient aboriginal populations. But of course that wont stop Clyde from trying to connect every black population in the world in history to Mande speaking Africans....
quote:jantavanta is right. You don't know what you're talking about. North American Native Americans are mainly mtDNA M (A and D4/M1) and y-Chromosome R1. Both haplogroups are carried by Africans. Haplogroup Q, is common to South American Native Americans.
Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:No they aren't. The DNA of the ancient aboriginal blacks in the Americas do not match any African population. The original populations of the Americas came from Asia and the initial groups were aboriginal black Asians from various parts of Asia and the Pacific.
Originally posted by jantavanta:
quote:The entire Black populations of the Americas and Asia, are of African Origin. Clyde has done well by connecting every Black population in the world to Africans. His using the Mande, is the language he has access to. Others have used Igbo language in Nigeria.
Originally posted by Doug M:
As usual Clyde comes up with a convoluted argument and says the oldest Chinese remains were "Negroid" but then turns around and says that the earliest Chinese dynasties were Africans....
Black people generally are the oldest populations in Asia, as evidenced by New Guinea and Australia, along with other aboriginal groups in South Asia. This "African" connection to black populations in Asia because of "features" is simply absurd. The genetic lineages of these people are Asian as one would expect of very ancient aboriginal populations. But of course that wont stop Clyde from trying to connect every black population in the world in history to Mande speaking Africans....
I don't know why folks keep insisting that somehow black skin outside of Africa indicates RECENT African ancestry. Skin color and features are tied to the environment and there are environments outside Africa that support populations with those features. Black folks in Asia are Asians. They are aboriginal, meaning been in place since the original OOA migrations 60,000 years ago. Australian Aborigines are not recent African migrants. Solomon Islanders are not recent African migrants. The Aboriginal Populations of Thailand, the Philippines and so forth are not recent African migrants.....
That said, it doesn't mean there hasn't been African contact in these areas since OOA. It just means those contacts don't represent the basis of or reason for black skin in those areas. For example, Swahili trade with Asia.
Bororo Indian Brazil:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bororo
Not Africans no matter how they look, their DNA is primarily Type O.
quote:You're can't read. I said that the founders of Xia were Africans, because most of them came from Elam. They spoke a Mande language and belonged to the Mande clan Kunta.
Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:No they aren't. The DNA of the ancient aboriginal blacks in the Americas do not match any African population. The original populations of the Americas came from Asia and the initial groups were aboriginal black Asians from various parts of Asia and the Pacific.
Originally posted by jantavanta:
quote:The entire Black populations of the Americas and Asia, are of African Origin. Clyde has done well by connecting every Black population in the world to Africans. His using the Mande, is the language he has access to. Others have used Igbo language in Nigeria.
Originally posted by Doug M:
As usual Clyde comes up with a convoluted argument and says the oldest Chinese remains were "Negroid" but then turns around and says that the earliest Chinese dynasties were Africans....
Black people generally are the oldest populations in Asia, as evidenced by New Guinea and Australia, along with other aboriginal groups in South Asia. This "African" connection to black populations in Asia because of "features" is simply absurd. The genetic lineages of these people are Asian as one would expect of very ancient aboriginal populations. But of course that wont stop Clyde from trying to connect every black population in the world in history to Mande speaking Africans....
I don't know why folks keep insisting that somehow black skin outside of Africa indicates RECENT African ancestry. Skin color and features are tied to the environment and there are environments outside Africa that support populations with those features. Black folks in Asia are Asians. They are aboriginal, meaning been in place since the original OOA migrations 60,000 years ago. Australian Aborigines are not recent African migrants. Solomon Islanders are not recent African migrants. The Aboriginal Populations of Thailand, the Philippines and so forth are not recent African migrants.....
That said, it doesn't mean there hasn't been African contact in these areas since OOA. It just means those contacts don't represent the basis of or reason for black skin in those areas. For example, Swahili trade with Asia.
Not Africans no matter how they look, their DNA is primarily Type O.
quote:R1 was first introduced to North Americans by the Khoisan who introduced the Salutrean culture to North America. Other African migrants brought R1 to America in later years. As late as 1300 around 25,000 Malians came to America with Abubakari, many of these Malians carried R1. They were spread across North America.
Late Neolithic, Early Bronze Age and Iron Age samples from Central and Western Europe have typically the R1b-L11, R1a1-Z283 and R1a-M417 (xZ645)
affiliation while the samples from the Yamnaya and Samara neighbourhood are different and belong to sub-clades R1b11-Z2105 and R1a2-Z93 (Allentoft et al. 2015; Cassidy et al. 2016; Haak et al. 2015; Mathieson et al. 2015; Schiffels et al. 2016).
The R1b11-Z2015 lineage is today common in the Caucasus and Volga-Uralic region while being virtually absent in Central and Western Europe (Broushaki et al.2016). Interestingly, the earliest offshoot of extant haplogroup R1b-M343 variation, the V88 subclade, which is currently most common in Fulani speaking populations in Africa (Cruciani et al. 2010) has distant relatives in Early Neolithic samples from across wide geographic area from Iberia, Germany to Samara (Fig. 7).
quote:You claim the Melanesians are not recent Africans. You say they came to the Pacific Islands 60,000 years ago. If they are not recent Africans explain why the Melanesians have the same names for culture items and place names.
Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:No they aren't. The DNA of the ancient aboriginal blacks in the Americas do not match any African population. The original populations of the Americas came from Asia and the initial groups were aboriginal black Asians from various parts of Asia and the Pacific.
Originally posted by jantavanta:
quote:The entire Black populations of the Americas and Asia, are of African Origin. Clyde has done well by connecting every Black population in the world to Africans. His using the Mande, is the language he has access to. Others have used Igbo language in Nigeria.
Originally posted by Doug M:
As usual Clyde comes up with a convoluted argument and says the oldest Chinese remains were "Negroid" but then turns around and says that the earliest Chinese dynasties were Africans....
Black people generally are the oldest populations in Asia, as evidenced by New Guinea and Australia, along with other aboriginal groups in South Asia. This "African" connection to black populations in Asia because of "features" is simply absurd. The genetic lineages of these people are Asian as one would expect of very ancient aboriginal populations. But of course that wont stop Clyde from trying to connect every black population in the world in history to Mande speaking Africans....
I don't know why folks keep insisting that somehow black skin outside of Africa indicates RECENT African ancestry. Skin color and features are tied to the environment and there are environments outside Africa that support populations with those features. Black folks in Asia are Asians. They are aboriginal, meaning been in place since the original OOA migrations 60,000 years ago. Australian Aborigines are not recent African migrants. Solomon Islanders are not recent African migrants. The Aboriginal Populations of Thailand, the Philippines and so forth are not recent African migrants.....
That said, it doesn't mean there hasn't been African contact in these areas since OOA. It just means those contacts don't represent the basis of or reason for black skin in those areas. For example, Swahili trade with Asia.
Bororo Indian Brazil:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bororo
Not Africans no matter how they look, their DNA is primarily Type O.
quote:As I have stated earlier the Dravidians belonged to the C-Group people who were Kushites. The ancestors of the Melanesians were descendants of the Kushites who expanded across the world after 3500 BC. The Melaneian DNA is just African DNA given a different name. For example, mtDNA D(4), is nothing more than M1.
Originally posted by Thereal:
I've watched some of these DNA testing videos on you were some black Americans had Melanesian DNA and i was wonder is it from black indians?.
code:To support this hypothesis Page (1988) presents place names that are made up of African ethnic names (AEN) as roots for Fijian placenames. These toponyms include a multitude of hills, streams and villages composed of a simple AEN root plus a Fijian placenames e.g.,koro, wai-ni-, vatu and na-. Page (1988, p.34) found 270 AEN's forming part of Fijian place names (FPN). The interesting fact about the AEN and FPN cognates is that they are found in West Africa and not East Africa. (Page 1988, p.47)"It is further suggested that the Lakato colonies in
Africa were the principal contributors to the earliest
settlements of Malagasy and responsible for the traces
of Indonesian influence in Africa which have endured into
modern times, as identified by previous investigators".
code:As illustrated above the AENs and Manding terms are analogous for 'hill', 'the' and 'of'. It would appear that the FPN /w/ corresponds to Manding /b/. Due to the thousands of miles separating the Manding and AENs, this cognate can be explained as loan words. Given the full agreement of these terms suggest a genetic relationship between AENs and Manding and descent from Paleo-African.FPN English Manding
koro hill kuru
koro village so-koro
wai-ni water of ba-ni 'course
of water'
vatu stone bete
na the ni
quote:Stupid Euronut. Many Black Chinese proud of their kinky hair.
Originally posted by Real tawk:
What happened to the kinky hair Chinese? Oh, wait! they never existed. Just debunked your dumb, "Black Chinese," bullshit.
quote:Gee Real tawk, you are extremely confused in your thinking.
Originally posted by Real tawk:
What happened to the kinky hair Chinese?
Oh, wait! they never existed.
Just debunked your dumb, "Black Chinese," bullshit.
quote:Now on the issue of straight hair, you have a great point.
Originally posted by Real tawk:
What happened to the kinky hair Chinese?
Oh, wait! they never existed.
Just debunked your dumb, "Black Chinese," bullshit.
quote:.
Originally posted by Mike111:
^The evidence clearly indicates that since almost
ALL of the worlds low-level animals have STRAIGHT HAIR,
then straight hair in HUMANS MUST be a RECESSIVE mutation.
So HOW does this recessive mutation occur?
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Note that this "Curly Haired"
Nigerian families Albino baby, has STRAIGHT HAIR!
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
[QB] ^So then, the REAL issue is STRAIGHT HAIR!
What accounts for it?
And why do MOST Blacks still in Africa have curly hair?
First - we need to determine if STRAIGHT HAIR is an ADVANCED mutation,
or a RECESSIVE mutation (Like White Skin).
We can do that by looking at a variety of creatures on Planet Earth.
quote:.
Originally posted by DD'eDeN:
So, why did coiled hair evolve?
As sensorial antennae to detect low dome hut ceiling.
Straight hair evolved due to the change in climate exposure,
under-canopy tropical rainforest -> small rainproof shelters,
open-sky tall wind-proof shelters.
quote:^ genius
Originally posted by Mike111:
That is why STRAIGHT HAIR IS "PRIMITIVE" AND A RECESSIVE TRAIT! [/QB]
quote:LOL. How can books published on Chinese Archaeology by Yale University and articles in Current Anthropology be considered "outdated anachronistic sources"? Moreover, you have not presented one source claiming the Shang and Zhou were Caucasians or whites with references to scholarly primary research.
Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
I like how Clyde, after having been disproven and refuted by me in various numbers of his claims regarding this subject; instead decides to spam this thread endlessly with giant numbers of pictures that ruin the thread, text walls and outdated anachronistic sources, in order to drown out any opposing posts and arguments to his ridiculous theories; or simply ignores and pretend they don't exist at all.
And then he keeps repeatedly switching his original arguments and stances, pivoting from one stance to another and then denying arguments he made in the past, as in the Aryan migration theory; and then switches and claims other things just to substantiate and push forward his bogus theories in threads like this. Also there is no such thing as a "caucasian" race which has been debunked and refuted here before....
Sorry! But the evidence shows that the Shang, Zhou, Qin and Tang dynasties were all White Indo-European Eurasian barbarian dynasties set up by foreigners and outsiders! And there is plenty of more evidence that I have given to this forum in the past proving just that....
quote:.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:^ genius
Originally posted by Mike111:
That is why STRAIGHT HAIR IS "PRIMITIVE" AND A RECESSIVE TRAIT!
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
The original Europeans were Khoisan. They went into the caves and turned white through depigmentation. As a result, whites are not recently out of Africa their ancestors go back to the Khoisan who first settled Europe.
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Question - Why do most White and Mongol people have Straight Hair, while most Black people have Curly or Kinky Hair?
The answer is Albinism.
quote:Are these Solomon Islanders? If not, do you know if they're hey Boca/Roca?
Originally posted by Mike111:
Here this Boys Albinism effects ONLY his HAIR:
Not only did Albinism STRAIGHTEN his Hair, Albinism also made it BLONDE!
quote:.
Originally posted by Elmaestro:
Are these Solomon Islanders? If not, do you know if they're hey Boca/Roca?
quote:.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Mike is a liar