Originally posted by Mike111:
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BLACK MAN!
quote:Intersting post,
Originally posted by DD'eDeN:
https://guardian.ng/art/hidden-michelangelo-drawing-goes-on-show-in-rome/
quote:That is to be debated. North Africans are described as being "mixed" in phenotype. So maybe she was indigenous after all.
Originally posted by osirion:
Cleopetra was mixed race. Move on. Boring.
Making a troll out of me.
quote:this like most engravings was a copy based on a painting
Originally posted by Mike111:
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BLACK MAN!
quote:a) it says above is also "sometimes induced in forgeries"
Originally posted by Mike111:
[QB] Craquelure
From Wikipedia
Craquelure (French: craquelé, Italian: crettatura) is the fine pattern of dense "cracking" formed on the surface of materials, either as part of the process of ageing or of their original formation or production. The term is most often used to refer to tempera or oil paintings, where it is a sign of age that is also sometimes induced in forgeries, and ceramics, where it is often deliberate, and usually called "crackle". It can also develop in old ivory carvings, and painted miniatures on an ivory backing are prone to craquelure. Normally, craquelure is formed by the aging of paints. It can be used to determine the age of paintings and to detect art forgery, because craquelure is a hard-to-forge signature of authenticity.
EXAMPLES
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quote:^ I think this site had it wrong, wikipedia says the above is
Originally posted by the lioness,:
In this case the original painting was done by Marcello Venusti
below >
and about the above engraving noted here:
http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/367613
^^^ " After painting by Marcello Venusti (Italian, Mazzo di Valtellina Date:after 1564 ^^
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Portrait of Michelangelo by Marcello Venusti,Date:after 1535
right: Michelangelo's sketch showing the artist struggling to reach the chapel ceiling
http://www.museyon.com/sistine-chapel-at-500/
In other words Mike is trying to trick people again with his fake "new" history
Afrocentric scholars do not write about European and whites.
--Dr. Clyde Ahmad Winters [/QB]
quote:.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
^^ The cracks are there you LYING FRAUD , with the higher resolution original , not just enlargement
quote:Ahh, the amnesia illiterate combo mode again:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
constantly trying to trick people to believe a false new dumb ass conspiracy narrative
quote:.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
More fraud from Mike and his lackey fencer
quote:
"Of Michelangelo there are no other portraits than
two paintings, one bv the hand of
Bugiardino (Giuliano Bugiardini) and
the other by Jacopo del Conte (Jacopino del Conto)"
--1550, Giorgio Vasari,
Giorgio Vasari, Italian painter, architect, writer, and historian, most famous today for his Lives of the Most Excellent Painters, Sculptors, and Architects, considered the ideological foundation of art-historical writing.
quote:LOL I know very well about the demographic of these regions, but it's okay.
Originally posted by Mike111:
^"COASTAL" North Africans are "Mixed" with every Albino invader since the first Visigoth.
However further inland, the Black Original people reside.
These people are NOT "Mixed".
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quote:What I mean is:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:That is to be debated. North Africans are described as being "mixed" in phenotype. So maybe she was indigenous after all.
Originally posted by osirion:
Cleopetra was mixed race. Move on. Boring.
Making a troll out of me.
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
LOL I know very well about the demographic of these regions, but it's okay.
Houda and Halima Saadi, Paris victims.
quote:You are not sure what me point is? lol Okay.
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
LOL I know very well about the demographic of these regions, but it's okay.
Houda and Halima Saadi, Paris victims.
http://i.cbc.ca/1.3321048.1447692193!/fileImage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/original_620/houda-and-halima-saadi-paris-victims.png
Not sure what your point is Ish Gebor.
Khaled Saadi and his brother Abdallah are French-born Mulatto Muslims from Tunisia - which IS "Coastal" North Africa.
Halima was on a one week visit to Paris before heading back to Dakar, Senegal where she lived.
Also please do not interject Brazilians into the conversation.
They are silly people, who even in 2017 are weighing the wisdom of accepting terms like Mulata, Morena, etc.
Clearly these are the mulattoes of Africans and Europeans, NOT of Native Americans.
(Note that the one country of Brazil, received more African Slaves than anywhere except the entire Caribbean).
quote:I think that statistically this is incorrect. Brazil was a Portuguese colony. The Caribbean was mainly a Spanish, and partially Dutch, France and British colony. Latin Americas only Portuguese colony was Brazil. The remaining colonies were Spanish, with minor input from Dutch Brits and France. I think that all Latin-Spanish speaking countries have combined more people of African descent, than Brazil.
Originally posted by Mike111:
(Note that the one country of Brazil, received more African Slaves than anywhere except the entire Caribbean).
quote:It makes no sense to say the Brazilians are a silly people weighing the wisdom of accepting terms like Mulata, Morena, etc. when the Brazilians have the term "pardo" and numerous other historical terms pertaining to various mixtures while America calls a "mulatto" president black and has no official terms for mixed people!
Originally posted by Mike111:
Khaled Saadi and his brother Abdallah are French-born Mulatto Muslims from Tunisia - which IS "Coastal" North Africa....
Also please do not interject Brazilians into the conversation.
They are silly people, who even in 2017 are weighing the wisdom of accepting terms like Mulata, Morena, etc.
quote:These terms are from Portuguese colonialist. The people of the demographic consider themselves black "negro". This was discussed already, comedian. American has nothing top do with this conversation. But they are considered niggers anyway, no matter the level of admixture. In both America and Brazil these African descendants are considered second class citizens. You can change the name, but the game remains the same.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:It makes no sense to say the Brazilians are a silly people weighing the wisdom of accepting terms like Mulata, Morena, etc. when the Brazilians have the term "pardo" and numerous other historical terms pertaining to various mixtures while America calls a "mulatto" president black and has no official terms for mixed people!
Originally posted by Mike111:
Khaled Saadi and his brother Abdallah are French-born Mulatto Muslims from Tunisia - which IS "Coastal" North Africa....
Also please do not interject Brazilians into the conversation.
They are silly people, who even in 2017 are weighing the wisdom of accepting terms like Mulata, Morena, etc.
quote:This comes from a dumb box of rocks, from Sweden. lol
Originally posted by the lioness,:
That being said, please carry on in dealing with Ish Gebor's famous comprehension issues
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
You are not sure what me point is? lol Okay.
Fact of the matter is, they look like each other. Even funnier is you called them both mixed (Mulatto).
Btw, I am not sure the Saadis are truly mulattos, in biological sense.
quote:Neither, however have ever you been to North Africa?
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
You are not sure what me point is? lol Okay.
Fact of the matter is, they look like each other. Even funnier is you called them both mixed (Mulatto).
Btw, I am not sure the Saadis are truly mulattos, in biological sense.
Are you trying to be funny, or just being an ass?
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quote:Magazines like Raca dispute the claims above. lol The above is a Pardo wet dream. To keep the black population of Brazil segregated as much as possible. lol
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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____________________ pardização
Brazilian censuses do not use a "multiracial" category. Instead, the censuses use skin colour categories. Most Brazilians of visibly mixed racial origins self-identify as pardos. They are typically a mixture of European, African and Native Brazilian.
In the 20th century, a significant part of the Brazilians who used to self-report as Black in earlier censuses chose to move to the Pardo category. Also a significant part of the population that used to self-report as white also moved to the Pardo category with the growing racial and social awareness, and Magnoli describes this phenomenon as the pardização ("pardoization") of Brazil.
MAGNOLI, Demétrio. Uma Gota de Sangue, Editora Contexto (2008)
mulatto is the new human
quote:The thread is about Cleopatra indeed. Considering the fact that she was from North Africa, this is being addressed . I can't help that you can't follow along, then try to brush it under the curtain as me so called trolling.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Ish, stop trolling, this thread is about and Cleopatra and Michaelanglo
http://c7.alamy.com/comp/BC0TYH/dendera-cleopatra-roman-temple-cleopatra-69-30-bc-was-the-last-was-BC0TYH.jpg
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Dendera Cleopatra Roman Temple Cleopatra 69 - 30 BC was the last was the last pharaoh of Ancient Egypt
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
I think that statistically this is incorrect. Brazil was a Portuguese colony. The Caribbean was mainly a Spanish, and partially Dutch, France and British colony. Latin Americas only Portuguese colony was Brazil. The remaining colonies were Spanish, with minor input from Dutch Brits and France. I think that all Latin-Spanish speaking countries have combined more people of African descent, than Brazil.
quote:Why would somebody who is half white and half black call themselves one or the other
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Magazines like Raca dispute the claims above. lol The above is a Pardo wet dream. To keep the black population of Brazil segregated as much as possible. lol
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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____________________ pardização
Brazilian censuses do not use a "multiracial" category. Instead, the censuses use skin colour categories. Most Brazilians of visibly mixed racial origins self-identify as pardos. They are typically a mixture of European, African and Native Brazilian.
In the 20th century, a significant part of the Brazilians who used to self-report as Black in earlier censuses chose to move to the Pardo category. Also a significant part of the population that used to self-report as white also moved to the Pardo category with the growing racial and social awareness, and Magnoli describes this phenomenon as the pardização ("pardoization") of Brazil.
MAGNOLI, Demétrio. Uma Gota de Sangue, Editora Contexto (2008)
mulatto is the new human
You euroloons are funny individuals.
quote:Exactly, I thought the same thing when Ish said "thinking"
Originally posted by Mike111:
Clearly - your biggest mistake is "thinking".
I suggest that you do more "Researching" and less "thinking" - at least until you have some data.
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quote:The main account for the Caribbean is larger than Brazil. I didn't even count the others into it. smh
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
I think that statistically this is incorrect. Brazil was a Portuguese colony. The Caribbean was mainly a Spanish, and partially Dutch, France and British colony. Latin Americas only Portuguese colony was Brazil. The remaining colonies were Spanish, with minor input from Dutch Brits and France. I think that all Latin-Spanish speaking countries have combined more people of African descent, than Brazil.
Clearly - your biggest mistake is "thinking".
I suggest that you do more "Researching" and less "thinking" - at least until you have some data.
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I have told you and the others many times, that the Blacks of South America (except Brazil), Central America, and Mexico were "NOT" of African descent!
WHAT IS YOUR FRIGGIN PROBLEM?
quote:If you had a brain and common sense you would know that it was black women who were raped and force to produce these offspring. So by your logic there would be no black population in Brazil. lol
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Why would somebody who is half white and half black call themselves one or the other
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Magazines like Raca dispute the claims above. lol The above is a Pardo wet dream. To keep the black population of Brazil segregated as much as possible. lol
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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____________________ pardização
Brazilian censuses do not use a "multiracial" category. Instead, the censuses use skin colour categories. Most Brazilians of visibly mixed racial origins self-identify as pardos. They are typically a mixture of European, African and Native Brazilian.
In the 20th century, a significant part of the Brazilians who used to self-report as Black in earlier censuses chose to move to the Pardo category. Also a significant part of the population that used to self-report as white also moved to the Pardo category with the growing racial and social awareness, and Magnoli describes this phenomenon as the pardização ("pardoization") of Brazil.
MAGNOLI, Demétrio. Uma Gota de Sangue, Editora Contexto (2008)
mulatto is the new human
You euroloons are funny individuals.
when the reality is that they are mixed and an appropriate term for them would be something other than "white" or "black" ?
quote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-DAj6VAxgs
Originally posted by the lioness,:
MAGNOLI, Demétrio. Uma Gota de Sangue, Editora Contexto
quote:Ish, you are lying BOB reports an increase of people self identifying as mixed race
Since the 2000 census, the numbers of people defining themselves as pardos(mixed race) in 2010 increased from 38.4% to 43.1% in 2010. In this 10-year period, people defining themselves as pretos (dark skinned) also increased from 6.2% to 7.6%, while those defining themselves as brancos decreased from 53.7% to 47.3%.
- blackwomenofbrazil
quote:The sources says, Racial classification and terminology in Brazil:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Ish, you are lying BOB reports an increase of people self identifying as mixed race
Since the 2000 census, the numbers of people defining themselves as pardos(mixed race) in 2010 increased from 38.4% to 43.1% in 2010. In this 10-year period, people defining themselves as pretos (dark skinned) also increased from 6.2% to 7.6%, while those defining themselves as brancos decreased from 53.7% to 47.3%.
- blackwomenofbrazil
People identifying as mixed race instead of black or white -you have some kind of problem with this ?
quote:https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2011/11/20/racial-classification-and-terminology-in-brazil/
Activists of the Movimento Negro (black Brazilian civil rights organizations) have long argued that the terms preto and pardo should be combined and recognized as Brazil’s Afro-Brazilian population. This argument is based upon numerous socioeconomic studies and quality of life statistics that show that the profiles of pretos and pardos are nearly identical while these same stats show that Brazil’s white (branco) population is much better off than those identified as preto or pardo.
[…]
There are also people, who recognize that their skin color, features and racial background would classify them as pardos but that identify themselves as black or negra/negro.
quote:In this day and time in America? Sure, euronut logic
Originally posted by the lioness,:
[QB] Americans should do the same thing, but they prefer to see everything as black or white
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
quote:Again you are lying. It actually says both things
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:The sources says, Racial classification and terminology in Brazil:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Ish, you are lying BOB reports an increase of people self identifying as mixed race
Since the 2000 census, the numbers of people defining themselves as pardos(mixed race) in 2010 increased from 38.4% to 43.1% in 2010. In this 10-year period, people defining themselves as pretos (dark skinned) also increased from 6.2% to 7.6%, while those defining themselves as brancos decreased from 53.7% to 47.3%.
- blackwomenofbrazil
People identifying as mixed race instead of black or white -you have some kind of problem with this ?
Let's read what THEY ACTAULLY SAY ON THIS:
quote:https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2011/11/20/racial-classification-and-terminology-in-brazil/
Activists of the Movimento Negro (black Brazilian civil rights organizations) have long argued that the terms preto and pardo should be combined and recognized as Brazil’s Afro-Brazilian population. This argument is based upon numerous socioeconomic studies and quality of life statistics that show that the profiles of pretos and pardos are nearly identical while these same stats show that Brazil’s white (branco) population is much better off than those identified as preto or pardo.
Once again your loony euronuty argument has been flushed down the shithole.
quote:^^anybody can go to the link and see that Ish Gebor is lying when he says it does not actually say that when it is a verbatim quote
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Since the 2000 census, the numbers of people defining themselves as pardos(mixed race) in 2010 increased from 38.4% to 43.1% in 2010. In this 10-year period, people defining themselves as pretos (dark skinned) also increased from 6.2% to 7.6%, while those defining themselves as brancos decreased from 53.7% to 47.3%.
https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2011/11/20/racial-classification-and-terminology-in-brazil/
- blackwomenofbrazil
quote:Actually the source says something else.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Again you have reading comprehension issues. Multi millions of people in Brazil identify themselves as mixed race, black and white.
quote:
The term pardo can have several meanings including brown, mulatto, mestizo, or any combination of mixed race. The term includes a wide variety of phenotypes and any combination of racial admixture. Activists of the Movimento Negro (black Brazilian civil rights organizations) have long argued that the terms preto and pardo should be combined and recognized as Brazil’s Afro-Brazilian population.
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
So stop the ongoing lying
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Actually the source says something else.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
[qb] Again you have reading comprehension issues. Multi millions of people in Brazil identify themselves as mixed race, black and white.
quote:^^anybody can go to the link and see that Ish Gebor is lying when he says it does not actually say the above
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Since the 2000 census, the numbers of people defining themselves as pardos(mixed race) in 2010 increased from 38.4% to 43.1% in 2010. In this 10-year period, people defining themselves as pretos (dark skinned) also increased from 6.2% to 7.6%, while those defining themselves as brancos decreased from 53.7% to 47.3%.
https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2011/11/20/racial-classification-and-terminology-in-brazil/
- blackwomenofbrazil
quote:The part you don't like to see:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Actually the source says something else.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
[qb] Again you have reading comprehension issues. Multi millions of people in Brazil identify themselves as mixed race, black and white.
quote:^^anybody can go to the link and see that Ish Gebor is lying when he says it does not actually say the above
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Since the 2000 census, the numbers of people defining themselves as pardos(mixed race) in 2010 increased from 38.4% to 43.1% in 2010. In this 10-year period, people defining themselves as pretos (dark skinned) also increased from 6.2% to 7.6%, while those defining themselves as brancos decreased from 53.7% to 47.3%.
https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2011/11/20/racial-classification-and-terminology-in-brazil/
- blackwomenofbrazil
Ish Gebor, when somebody produces a quote and a source for the quote you are lying when you say "Actually the source says something else."
You can't say it says something else because it does say what I said it says, it's a quote you silly fool
You should be saying "but it ALSO says..."
But instead you choose to keep LYING
quote:https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2011/11/20/racial-classification-and-terminology-in-brazil/
Activists of the Movimento Negro (black Brazilian civil rights organizations) have long argued that the terms preto and pardo should be combined and recognized as Brazil’s Afro-Brazilian population. This argument is based upon numerous socioeconomic studies and quality of life statistics that show that the profiles of pretos and pardos are nearly identical while these same stats show that Brazil’s white (branco) population is much better off than those identified as preto or pardo.
[…]
There are also people, who recognize that their skin color, features and racial background would classify them as pardos but that identify themselves as black or negra/negro.
quote:https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2013/09/02/according-to-data-brazils-black-population-has-surpassed-100-million-as-a-whole-brazil-has-passed-the-200-million-mark/
According to data, Brazil’s black population has surpassed 100 million; as a whole Brazil has passed the 200 million mark
Black population has already passed 100 million, guarantees the IBGE
From the newsroom of Afropress
Brasília – The black Brazilian population, already the largest outside Africa, surpassed the 100 million people mark, according to the study “Projeção da População do Brasil por Sexo e Idade para o período 200/2060 e Projeção da População das Unidades da Federação Por Sexo e Idade para o período 2000/2030 (Projection of Population of Brazil by Sex and Age for the period 2000/2060 and Projection of Population of Units of the Federation by Sex and Age for the period 2000/2030)”, of the Instituto Brasileiro de Geografia e Estatística (IBGE or Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics).
The preto (black) and pardo (brown) population, which corresponds to 50.7% of the population, according to the IBGE Census of 2010, has now reached 101,923,585 inhabitants. The publication reported that this week Brazil passed the 200 million mark of inhabitants: we are now 201,032,714 inhabitants.
The study also made a projection of how many people there will be by 2042 when the population is expected to reach 228.4 million; 115.7 million negros, which consists of self-declared pretos and pardos, in accordance with the classification criteria of race and color of the IBGE.
quote:https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2012/10/17/number-of-brazilians-declaring-themselves-preta-black-increases-to-16-million/
Number of Brazilians declaring themselves preta (black) increases to 16 million
According to Pesquisa Nacional de Amostra por Domicílio (or PNAD or National Survey by Household Sample), published by the Instituto Brasileiro de Geografia e Estatística (IBGE or Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics), on Friday, September 21st, the number of Brazilians that self-identified themselves as pretas (blacks) increased from 13.1 million in 2009 to 16 million in 2011. In 2009, according to research of 191.8 million Brazilians, besides those declaring themselves preta (black), 92.5 million considered themselves branca or white, 84.7 million declared themselves parda or brown and 1.3 million claimed to be of another ethnicity.
quote:https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2013/05/18/while-all-three-refer-to-persons-of-african-descent-what-is-the-difference-between-the-terms-preto-pardo-and-negro/
While all three refer to persons of African descent, what is the difference between the terms preto, pardo and negro?
quote:"a portrait of Michelangelo on panel."
Originally posted by mena7:
I think Michaelangelo was a Black man because there was a heavy Black people presence in the Italian peninsula during the Roman Empire. If you look at the Roman Gods and Goddesses statues in private collection that are sold by art auction houses like Christies and Sothebies the majority of the statues looks like the statues of Black and Mulato people.
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
"a portrait of Michelangelo on panel."
quote:.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Mike when will your games ever end?
You are quite unqualified to ask him that question
after trying to pass the below off as a black person or authentic
quote:I am no art curator and never implied to be, I merely found this at The Metropolitan Museum of Art. More info on this piece can be found in the link.
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
"a portrait of Michelangelo on panel."
What proof do you have that this is an authentic portrait?
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:I am no art curator and never implied to be, I merely found this at The Metropolitan Museum of Art. More info on this piece can be found in the link.
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
"a portrait of Michelangelo on panel."
What proof do you have that this is an authentic portrait?
http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/436771
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Originally posted by Mike111:
The portrait was supposedly painted in 1544, making it almost 500 years old - yet it looks NEW.
quote:1) The information you've posted is interesting. I posted the Metmeum interesting, because it's interesting to see so many different portraits.
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:I am no art curator and never implied to be, I merely found this at The Metropolitan Museum of Art. More info on this piece can be found in the link.
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
"a portrait of Michelangelo on panel."
What proof do you have that this is an authentic portrait?
http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/436771
The portrait was supposedly painted in 1544, making it almost 500 years old - yet it looks NEW.
I post "INFORMATION" on this site for the benefit and edification of Black people. Several recent posts on "Craquelure" have been posted by me. May I ask why you chose to ignore that information. And are you an African?
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Originally posted by Fencer:
I notice when albinos have troubles in arguments, or they hit roadblocks, they will simply repeat what they have said despite whatever has transpired in the discussion. As if saying it over and over gives it more validity or authority. I have seen this online and in real life.
quote:when a lie is repeated so must be the truth be shown
Originally posted by Mike111:
The portrait was supposedly painted in 1544, making it almost 500 years old - yet it looks NEW.
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Yes, I am African (Black-European).
quote:You're welcome.
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Yes, I am African (Black-European).
Thank you, now I understand.
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
Mark Antony and Cleopatra are both depicted on a coin together and she is depicted as white or Mediterranean
http://www.coinproject.com/siteimages/97-841612.jpg
quote:she's black look at the afro
Originally posted by the questioner:
Mark Antony and Cleopatra are both depicted on a coin together and she is depicted as white or Mediterranean
quote:.
Originally posted by lamin:
And who the heck is Cleopatra? They say she's famous. For what?
And why are so many dumb blacks--stupid enough to push the "Cleopatra was black" meme?
quote:The thread is about Cleopatra indeed. Considering the fact that she was from North Africa, this is being addressed . I can't help that you can't follow along, then try to brush it under the curtain as me so called trolling.
Originally posted by lamin:
Fool, Cleopatra was a descendant of invader Greeks. The last authentic Egyptian dynasty was the 25th dynasty of Nubian pharaoh, Taharka.
Non-African Syria invaded and that was the end of Egypt's 3,000 year impressive run. Persians and other invaders followed to pick away at Egypt's carcass. Greeks and Romans followed suit.
Have no idea why all the fuss about the colonizing Greek Ptolomy invader settlers.
quote:this is Mediterranean
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
Mark Antony and Cleopatra are both depicted on a coin together and she is depicted as white or Mediterranean
http://www.coinproject.com/siteimages/97-841612.jpg
The coin depicts her as "Curly" haired;
How is that Mediterranean?
quote:Cleopatra saw herself as Isis the Egyptian goddess
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
If Cleopatra wasn't a part of the Old or Middle Egyptian kingdoms, then who cares.
Egypt's Roman period was the least important part of it's history.
IMHO, Cleopatra was a very politically astute high end prostitute who was very likely mulatto (intermixed black).
Cleopatra had nothing to do with Egypt's religions, rituals, custom's or history, so it's irrelevant to me what she actually was.
BTW: It seems to me that Albinos and their love for this part of Egyptian history would be more interested in Cleo's mummy than any other, but I've not taken time to research to discoveries in this area.
Anyone?
quote:So what.
Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:Cleopatra saw herself as Isis the Egyptian goddess
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
If Cleopatra wasn't a part of the Old or Middle Egyptian kingdoms, then who cares.
Egypt's Roman period was the least important part of it's history.
IMHO, Cleopatra was a very politically astute high end prostitute who was very likely mulatto (intermixed black).
Cleopatra had nothing to do with Egypt's religions, rituals, custom's or history, so it's irrelevant to me what she actually was.
BTW: It seems to me that Albinos and their love for this part of Egyptian history would be more interested in Cleo's mummy than any other, but I've not taken time to research to discoveries in this area.
Anyone?
quote:by Dr. Molefi Kete Asante
The main point made by Afrocentrists is that
• Greece owes a substantial debt to Egypt and that
• Egypt was anterior to Greece and should be considered a major contributor to our current knowledge.
I think I can say without a doubt that Afrocentrists do not spend time arguing that either Socrates or Cleopatra were black.
I have never seen these ideas written by an Afrocentrist nor have I heard them discussed in any Afrocentric intellectual forums.
Professor Lefkowitz provides us with a hearsay incident which she probably reports accurately. It is not an Afrocentric argument.
quote:The Greeks and Romans of 2,000 years ago look the same as they look today. There is no historical evidence of any major migration southwards of peoples from further north. Same for the Romans/Italians. Turkey invaded Greece and Arabs invaded places like Sicily but the Italian population as a whole does not seem to be much affected.
this is what the Greek and Romans actually looked like
they were not white like English or Germans are
without a doubt Cleopatra was not Elizabeth Taylor white
quote:explain the gaulish invasion and the Germanic Lombard invasion
Originally posted by lamin:
quote:The Greeks and Romans of 2,000 years ago look the same as they look today. There is no historical evidence of any major migration southwards of peoples from further north. Same for the Romans/Italians. Turkey invaded Greece and Arabs invaded places like Sicily but the Italian population as a whole does not seem to be much affected.
this is what the Greek and Romans actually looked like
they were not white like English or Germans are
without a doubt Cleopatra was not Elizabeth Taylor white
https://www.google.com/search?q=greeks++at++political++rallies++images&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYoITc6fjTAhUHfhoKHTqPB1cQ7AkIQA&biw=1280&bih=611 &dpr=1.25.
https://www.google.com/search?q=italian+crowds+at++footballgames++images&client=firefox-b&noj=1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjHxIXI7PjTAhXDXhoKHWJTDWYQ7AkIQg&biw=1280 &bih=611.
just like Latin people today they differ in color from dark brown to light skinned
quote:i never said Latin or Mediterranean people were not mixed
Originally posted by Mike111:
^Damn you're stupid - they're called "Mulattoes".
THIS IS HOW YOU GET MULATTOES!
Even Gay Albinos were getting Black cock in the old days.
quote:Yes we have the same type here:
Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:.
Originally posted by Mike111:
[qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the questioner:
[qb] Mark Antony and Cleopatra are both depicted on a coin together and she is depicted as white or Mediterranean
http://www.coinproject.com/siteimages/97-841612.jpg
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
Latin people are tri-racial
they are mixed with African, middle eastern, and European
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
Latin people are tri-racial
they are mixed with African, middle eastern, and European
Just as there is no such a thing as a "Mediterranean" Race, likewise, there is no such a thing as a "Middle-Eastern" Race.
The were ALL Black people who fuched Albinos.
A "Tri-Racial" person is a Mulatto/Mongol product.
i.e. Black, Albino, and Mongol mix.
quote:LMBAO!!!
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
Latin people are tri-racial
they are mixed with African, middle eastern, and European
Just as there is no such a thing as a "Mediterranean" Race, likewise, there is no such a thing as a "Middle-Eastern" Race.
The were ALL Black people who fuched Albinos.
A "Tri-Racial" person is a Mulatto/Mongol product.
i.e. Black, Albino, and Mongol mix.
quote:Kenny G?
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
Latin people are tri-racial
they are mixed with African, middle eastern, and European
Just as there is no such a thing as a "Mediterranean" Race, likewise, there is no such a thing as a "Middle-Eastern" Race.
The were ALL Black people who fuched Albinos.
A "Tri-Racial" person is a Mulatto/Mongol product.
i.e. Black, Albino, and Mongol mix.
stupid, imagine if these two people had a child, what the features would look like
quote:Kenny G has naturally curly hair not a perm.
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
Kenny G?
quote:They also have East African admixture. Of course you strategically for got about that one, perhaps an agenda?
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Kenny G has naturally curly hair not a perm.
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
Kenny G?
Some jews have what they call a "jewfro" although his hair is not to the fro extent
Regardless according to Mikean theory, curly hair = black.
Therefore Kenny G is either wholly or in part black
or "mulatto" as Professor Mike likes to say
quote:How much African admixture does he have?
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
How much African admixture does he have?
quote:I wasn't speaking of curly hair but answering your question of the possible appearance of the offspring of the two African albinos posted.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Kenny G has naturally curly hair not a perm.
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
Kenny G?
Some jews have what they call a "jewfro" although his hair is not to the fro extent
Regardless according to Mikean theory, curly hair = black.
Therefore Kenny G is either wholly or in part black
or "mulatto" as Professor Mike likes to say
quote:The the albinos had very similar broad features to each other and light hair thus a Kenny G-esque type would not be the result of their pairing. Also Kenny G can get a natural sun tan, they can't
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
quote:I wasn't speaking of curly hair but answering your question of the possible appearance of the offspring of the two African albinos posted.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Kenny G has naturally curly hair not a perm.
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
Kenny G?
Some jews have what they call a "jewfro" although his hair is not to the fro extent
Regardless according to Mikean theory, curly hair = black.
Therefore Kenny G is either wholly or in part black
or "mulatto" as Professor Mike likes to say
Isn't it possible that their offspring COULD look like Kenny G, or Kenny G could be the child of an African albino and Eurobino?
quote:Ish Gebor could you give us a little background information on Charles Davenport to see if what he is credible
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
How much African admixture does he have?
May we stop with the Troll questions please!
That young man is OBVIOUSLY a Mulatto, simply consulting the Davenport Skin Color Predictor table wii tell you his possible skin color ranges.
.
quote:Davenport ? It's funny how you didn't respond to my question, but reply by posting a question about some "Davenport" (Mendel law of segregation). Weird very weird, but also very typical.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Ish Gebor could you give us a little background information on Charles Davenport to see if what he is credible
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
How much African admixture does he have?
May we stop with the Troll questions please!
That young man is OBVIOUSLY a Mulatto, simply consulting the Davenport Skin Color Predictor table wii tell you his possible skin color ranges.
.
quote:Interesting. She's almost North African like.
Originally posted by Thereal:
Yes, I've seen this lady, depending on angle or lighting she appears with or mulatto.
https://prettyuglylittleliar.net/uploads/monthly_2016_07/bowen-megan-image.jpg.dd3e0f6404d4b64dba7ccaac1a6d44ee.jpg
https://youtu.be/srURDoK0US0 @ 2:00
quote:Yeah, thid dude looks pretty skin type 2 "tanned" to me, but I still think he can be the product of those two OC2 albinos.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:The the albinos had very similar broad features to each other and light hair thus a Kenny G-esque type would not be the result of their pairing. Also Kenny G can get a natural sun tan, they can't
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
quote:I wasn't speaking of curly hair but answering your question of the possible appearance of the offspring of the two African albinos posted.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Kenny G has naturally curly hair not a perm.
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
Kenny G?
Some jews have what they call a "jewfro" although his hair is not to the fro extent
Regardless according to Mikean theory, curly hair = black.
Therefore Kenny G is either wholly or in part black
or "mulatto" as Professor Mike likes to say
Isn't it possible that their offspring COULD look like Kenny G, or Kenny G could be the child of an African albino and Eurobino?
quote:Kenny G has naturally curly hair but he also now uses a curl enhancing product called MOP C-System C-Curl Defining Cream
Originally posted by Mike111:
.
.
quote:Kenny G talks about his naturally curly hair here in an interview
MOP C-System C-Curl Defining Cream
" A unique curl enhancing cream to provide smooth definition without residual tack. Maintains curl throughout the day while protecting against frizz. Citrus infused for antioxidant support. UV shield preserves color.\\\\
REVIEWS
Maintains curl throughout the day while protecting against frizz....
This product is one of the best products for curly hair. I have 3c curls and it really defines my curls without frizz.
i have wavy hair that i am trying to encourage to curl and stay curled. this keeps the shape but doesn't really do anything to "encourage" curl,"
I have really curly hair, and have gone through so many different products throughout my life. It's hard to find what's best for your specific curl type. A few months ago, my new hair stylist recommended MOP Curl Cream. It has become one of my favorite hair products.
quote:Mike insistes he knows the above man is a mulatto due to some garbage that a nazi affiliated eugenics leader said.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Davenport ? It's funny how you didn't respond to my question, but reply by posting a question about some "Davenport" (Mendel law of segregation). Weird very weird, but also very typical.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Ish Gebor could you give us a little background information on Charles Davenport to see if what he is credible
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
How much African admixture does he have?
May we stop with the Troll questions please!
That young man is OBVIOUSLY a Mulatto, simply consulting the Davenport Skin Color Predictor table wii tell you his possible skin color ranges.
.
Anyway, so how much African admixture does he have?
quote:The way genetics work is unpredictable that is for sure.
Originally posted by Thereal:
@ish I've only posted that video because I remember xyman talking about plasticity,the funny thing is I've seen ancestry reveal videos of blacks in the same range but they look more African.
quote:So, Greeks don't have African admixture, correct?
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Mike insistes he knows the above man is a mulatto due to some garbage that a nazi affiliated eugenics leader said.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Davenport ? It's funny how you didn't respond to my question, but reply by posting a question about some "Davenport" (Mendel law of segregation). Weird very weird, but also very typical.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Ish Gebor could you give us a little background information on Charles Davenport to see if what he is credible
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
How much African admixture does he have?
May we stop with the Troll questions please!
That young man is OBVIOUSLY a Mulatto, simply consulting the Davenport Skin Color Predictor table wii tell you his possible skin color ranges.
.
Anyway, so how much African admixture does he have?
I don't know how much African admixture he does or doesn't have. He might have some he might not, that's my answer
quote:So, what is the genetic pool of the people you post?
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Kenny G has naturally curly hair but he also now uses a curl enhancing product called MOP C-System C-Curl Defining Cream
Originally posted by Mike111:
.
.
quote:Kenny G talks about his naturally curly hair here in an interview
MOP C-System C-Curl Defining Cream
" A unique curl enhancing cream to provide smooth definition without residual tack. Maintains curl throughout the day while protecting against frizz. Citrus infused for antioxidant support. UV shield preserves color.\\\\
REVIEWS
Maintains curl throughout the day while protecting against frizz....
This product is one of the best products for curly hair. I have 3c curls and it really defines my curls without frizz.
i have wavy hair that i am trying to encourage to curl and stay curled. this keeps the shape but doesn't really do anything to "encourage" curl,"
I have really curly hair, and have gone through so many different products throughout my life. It's hard to find what's best for your specific curl type. A few months ago, my new hair stylist recommended MOP Curl Cream. It has become one of my favorite hair products.
https://www.aol.com/article/lifestyle/2015/01/29/kenny-g-shares-the-secret-to-maintaining-those-luscious-curls/21136319/
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^^ here are some Iranians with naturally curly hair
According to MIkean theory curly hair = black so Kenny G and the above people are black or "mulattoes" as Professor Mike likes to say
quote:WRONG !!!
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:So, Greeks don't have African admixture, correct?
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Mike insistes he knows the above man is a mulatto due to some garbage that a nazi affiliated eugenics leader said.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Davenport ? It's funny how you didn't respond to my question, but reply by posting a question about some "Davenport" (Mendel law of segregation). Weird very weird, but also very typical.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Ish Gebor could you give us a little background information on Charles Davenport to see if what he is credible
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
How much African admixture does he have?
May we stop with the Troll questions please!
That young man is OBVIOUSLY a Mulatto, simply consulting the Davenport Skin Color Predictor table wii tell you his possible skin color ranges.
.
Anyway, so how much African admixture does he have?
I don't know how much African admixture he does or doesn't have. He might have some he might not, that's my answer
quote:Okay, so you say he might. Than to what percentage. How likely are the chances he has African admixture. Why use his picture in the first place if you're not sure? What part from Greece does he hail?
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:WRONG !!!
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:So, Greeks don't have African admixture, correct?
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Mike insistes he knows the above man is a mulatto due to some garbage that a nazi affiliated eugenics leader said.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Davenport ? It's funny how you didn't respond to my question, but reply by posting a question about some "Davenport" (Mendel law of segregation). Weird very weird, but also very typical.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Ish Gebor could you give us a little background information on Charles Davenport to see if what he is credible
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
How much African admixture does he have?
May we stop with the Troll questions please!
That young man is OBVIOUSLY a Mulatto, simply consulting the Davenport Skin Color Predictor table wii tell you his possible skin color ranges.
.
Anyway, so how much African admixture does he have?
I don't know how much African admixture he does or doesn't have. He might have some he might not, that's my answer
How could you ask such a question??? I did not say "no the man above has no African admixture" Cam you read ??
I said "He might have some he might not" Are you having trouble reading what I very clearly stated?
Even Mike doesn't waste time with this type of conversational disconnect
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Ish Gebor could you give us a little background information on Charles Davenport to see if what he is credible
quote:lioness and Ish gebor
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Ask Ish Gebor, he's the one that posted the picture in the first place
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Why use his picture in the first place
Why did you?
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
lioness and Ish gebor
well actually i posted the picture
my point was to show what Mediterranean people look like
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
mike 111 what is your definition of a mulatto?
quote:i wanted your definition mulatto not Webster's
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
mike 111 what is your definition of a mulatto?
Websters Online:
Definition of mulatto
plural mulattoes or mulattos
1
now sometimes offensive : the first-generation offspring of a black person and a white person
2
now sometimes offensive : a person of mixed white and black ancestry
quote:.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
questioner, Mike thinks he is making some sort of point but he's not. He has picked out some random photos, labeled them "mulatto" this "mulatto" that .
It's meaningless diversion
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
i wanted your definition mulatto not Webster's
but assuming your definition is the same as Webster's definition
why did you show the above pictures of Arabs and mestizo from Latin america?
Webster said mulatto means "the first-generation offspring of a black person and a white person"
please explain the logic in your pictures
quote:Alexandria is on the Mediterranean
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
i wanted your definition mulatto not Webster's
but assuming your definition is the same as Webster's definition
why did you show the above pictures of Arabs and mestizo from Latin america?
Webster said mulatto means "the first-generation offspring of a black person and a white person"
please explain the logic in your pictures
the questioner - you seem really, really young.
Why would I give you Websters definition, if it was not also my own?
You ask "why did you show the above pictures of Arabs and mestizo from Latin America?"
When the STATED purpose was clearly to show that a Mulatto is a Mulatto wherever they are, to counter your implied claim that only Mediterranean Mulattoes looked like that.
As to Mestizo, they also have a firm definition:
Websters Online
Definition of mestizo
plural mestizos
: a person of mixed blood; specifically : a person of mixed European and American Indian ancestry.
Definition of American Indian
: a member of any of the aboriginal peoples of the western hemisphere except often the Eskimos; especially : an American Indian of North America and especially the U.S.
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Now please go find pictures of ALL types of NA;
i.e Black and Mongol, then we can talk
(Hint Mestizo's are Mongol and Albino)
quote:by your definition
Originally posted by Mike111:
^Clearly your interest and knowledge is narrow. If you would limit your comments to match your interest and knowledge, there would be no problem.
i.e. You should have said "Mediterranean mulattoes look like this."
BUT instead you said "Mediterranean people look like this".
Which is 2/3 lie.
Like everywhere else, Mediterraneans are Black, Albino, AND Mulatto.
quote:questioner I don't know why you didn't follow through on this.
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
mike 111 what is your definition of a mulatto?
Websters Online:
Definition of mulatto
plural mulattoes or mulattos
1
now sometimes offensive : the first-generation offspring of a black person and a white person
2
now sometimes offensive : a person of mixed white and black ancestry
quote:i didn't follow through because with his logic everybody is a mulatto
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:questioner I don't know why you didn't follow through on this.
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
mike 111 what is your definition of a mulatto?
Websters Online:
Definition of mulatto
plural mulattoes or mulattos
1
now sometimes offensive : the first-generation offspring of a black person and a white person
2
now sometimes offensive : a person of mixed white and black ancestry
For one all the people dumb ass Mike posted and called "mulatto" are not necessarily the offspring of a black person and a white person
and even less so if first-generation offspring
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
by your definition
what other kind of Mediterranean people exist?
that is like saying wet rain
quote:blacks in north Africa have white blood in them
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:.
Originally posted by the questioner:
by your definition
what other kind of Mediterranean people exist?
that is like saying wet rain
Damn you're stupid!
I am starting to wonder if we are dealing with an adult here.
UNLESS YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT THAT ALL THE BLACKS ARE GONE! LEAVING ONLY THEIR MULATTOES.
In Europe and the Mediterranean Levant that is mainly true, but North Africa still has Blacks. The further away from the coast you move, the Blacker the people get.
quote:Yes, like many of them look like Southern African mulattos.
Originally posted by Mike111:
Arab Mulatto.
Mexican Mulatto
Venezuela Mulatto
Brazil Mulatto
Puerto Rico Mulatto
Dominican Republic Mulatto
Cuban Mulatto
quote:In America they used to have a classification "mulatto" which was the same as Pardo. Barack Obama would have been pardo but in America is regarded as black
Originally posted by Lion:
People who consider themselves pardo are usually dark people. For example, on my birth certificate and my mother's pardo, even I being the son of blacks, and mine too. In 2010 in the IBGE census, my mother said that she and I were pardos, I was a child at the time, and I even asked the IBGE woman, and she said that most of the people who considered her to be pardos were my people color. Also interesting is that they talk about pardos and "blends", but I have some friends that came from mixed blacks and whites, and were born white, and consider themselves white, and not mixed or pardo.
quote:that is a theory^^^
Originally posted by lamin:
"Mulatto" is a Spanish word meaning "little mule"--i.e. the offspring of horse and a donkey.
It was originally thought by the Spanish Conquistadors of the Americas that the offspring of blacks/Africans and whites/Europeans were infertile due to the claim that both races were as far apart genetically as horses and donkeys.
In the U.S. the racial categories of octoroon, quadroon, mulatto, and "negro"/black were created by the European settlers to account for degrees of European ancestry in the individuals with African ancestry.
But African ancestry was seen as so toxic and dysgenic in the U.S. racial caste system
that a 1/32 cut-off level was seen to be safe enough to avoid embarrassing "throw-backs" in people's families. This explains why an American with a white/mother could be considered "black".
The racist "one drop" rule is absurd, but that does not stop Americans from upholding this obvious bit or white racism.
For Native Americans--the cut-off point is--as they put it-- a "blood quantum of 1/16". This explains why visitors to "Indian Reservations" often see people with blue eyes and pale skins posing as "Indians". Another example of "congealed racism".
quote:Of course it's now being uphold. Entire families are constructed based on this.
Originally posted by lamin:
"Mulatto" is a Spanish word meaning "little mule"--i.e. the offspring of horse and a donkey.
It was originally thought by the Spanish Conquistadors of the Americas that the offspring of blacks/Africans and whites/Europeans were infertile due to the claim that both races were as far apart genetically as horses and donkeys.
In the U.S. the racial categories of octoroon, quadroon, mulatto, and "negro"/black were created by the European settlers to account for degrees of European ancestry in the individuals with African ancestry.
But African ancestry was seen as so toxic and dysgenic in the U.S. racial caste system
that a 1/32 cut-off level was seen to be safe enough to avoid embarrassing "throw-backs" in people's families. This explains why an American with a white/mother could be considered "black".
The racist "one drop" rule is absurd, but that does not stop Americans from upholding this obvious bit or white racism.
For Native Americans--the cut-off point is--as they put it-- a "blood quantum of 1/16". This explains why visitors to "Indian Reservations" often see people with blue eyes and pale skins posing as "Indians". Another example of "congealed racism".