But alhamduelah it wasn't.
So far my doctor didnt give me any reasons but said that possibilities of me having more lumps later is higher now and i should just watch my body more carefully.
Im in my mid twenties, perfectly healthy, I eat well, sleep well and workout daily..I never had any problems before.
Alhamdulelah anyways.
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Originally posted by someone_lost:
Hi MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari,
We have to work to fix you problem first then we think about others ok .
Having big ass is serious thing and we have to work on it first
Well I don't yakhooya. I was just being sympathetic
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
Well dear I am the queen of disasters and disease! until the age of 16 I used to have an accident at least once a month!
Right now, i seem to have lots of pain in my ankles, which even cant make me sleep.
It turns out I have some sort of inflammation in my ankles. LUCKY ME!
Seren, unless you're pregnant/nursing, have bleeding disorders or a sensitive stomach, aspirin (NOT paracetamol), can do miracles for you. Have you tried that?
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Originally posted by ngeg:
So far my doctor didnt give me any reasons but said that possibilities of me having more lumps later is higher now
Once you've had any swellings, benign or malignant, you should stay under observation. I assume that was a breast lump? Do you know how to do breast examination? It could really save your life if you did regularly. This applies to all women..
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Originally posted by EFLVirgo:
Kingdom, what about Ginko? Does it have any side effects or is it safe?
Although Ginkgo is a brilliant herb, any herb can have side effects if used extremely. It cannot be used if you're pregnant/nursing, never use it if you take antidepressants, or have bleeding disorders.
It can also cause vomiting, diarrhea & headache.
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
Although Ginkgo is a brilliant herb, any herb can have side effects if used extremely. It cannot be used if you're pregnant/nursing, never use it if you take antidepressants, or have bleeding disorders.
It can also cause vomiting, diarrhea & headache.
Thanks Kingdom! 
I never take it when Aunt Flo's visiting. 
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Originally posted by EFLVirgo:
Thanks Kingdom!
Well you can, just make sure you're well cushioned!
But I still have a big ass!!!
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Originally posted by Penny:
Well embarrasingly yes, but since no Western doctor has come up with anything that works and I wonder if maybe other ladies have same problem then I will ask and put my embarrasment aside.
Well I find in the heat of Egypt thrush just rockets away out of control. Have tried every know remedy but nothing works except for in the end, Diflucan tablets, but it can't be good to keep taking them. I can be sat in a hot taxi and you can almost feel it taking control and saying whoppee I can really get you now in this wonderful heat.
I have IUD which I can't get rid of but am sure this makes matters worse.
Live yoghurt and cotton pants!!
As for the big ass, c'est la vie
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Originally posted by Penny:
Well I find in the heat of Egypt thrush just rockets away out of control. Have tried every know remedy but nothing works except for in the end, Diflucan tablets, but it can't be good to keep taking them. I can be sat in a hot taxi and you can almost feel it taking control and saying whoppee I can really get you now in this wonderful heat.
Sadly enough some people are more prone to that sh-it. Diabetes, overwight and family history make the problem worse.
Have a look at this: http://www.marilynglenville.com/printable/general/thrush.htm
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Originally posted by someone_lost:
My god dose ot matter that much to have this BIG ASS .
guys this not that bad you still find someone that love this BIG ASS
ETLA3 BARRAH3!
Kingdom where do you live now?quote:
Originally posted by someone_lost:
Are you serious?
I'm (almost) never serious
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
aha okey doke
Holland
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
Holland
oh where in Holland? I used to visit it a lot before. but now that is history.
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Originally posted by someone_lost:
ok i will just forget about it .
but next time i won't ok ??
ya ma3ma3!
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
oh where in Holland? I used to visit it a lot before. but now that is history.
Haarlem (10 min. from Amsterdam)
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
Haarlem (10 min. from Amsterdam)
oh I used to go to Rotterdam. Zuid-Holland.
I was actually going to move there and study medicine over at the university at Rotterdam. but my fate turned out to be diff than i was planning it to be.
Its good that you are a doctor working over there, cause i have heard that the duetch doctors arent good at all!
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
Oh by the way Kingdom, I have G6pd, or at least I carry it. As far as I can remember Aspirin is deadly for me. If I have the disease not only carry it.
Let me first make one thing clear here. If ever, one would have a G6PD-Deficiency, cos all of us have the enzyme G6PD, if you don't have it then you're in trouble.
G6PD-Def. techincally falls under blood disorders, so aspirin should not be used indeed. But if you're a carrier you're relatively safer than a patient of the disease.
I was curious, are you pure Norwegian or do you have African/Indian blood?
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
oh I used to go to Rotterdam. Zuid-Holland.
I was actually going to move there and study medicine over at the university at Rotterdam. but my fate turned out to be diff than i was planning it to be.Its good that you are a doctor working over there, cause i have heard that the duetch doctors arent good at all!
They suck indeed. They caused me to lose 3 babies the asssholes. I only got a child after self-medication (& God's will after all).
But I quit the clinical work & I teach now.
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
Let me first make one thing clear here. If ever, one would have a G6PD-Deficiency, cos all of us have the enzyme G6PD, if you don't have it then you're in trouble.
G6PD-Def. techincally falls under blood disorders, so aspirin should not be used indeed. But if you're a carrier you're relatively safer than a patient of the disease.
I was curious, are you pure Norwegian or do you have African/Indian blood?
For the medically-ignorant among us (and that is definitely me), what is g6pd deficiency? how do you get it, and are you saying there is an ethnic link somehow like taysachs or sickle cell?
Thanks!
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
Let me first make one thing clear here. If ever, one would have a G6PD-Deficiency, cos all of us have the enzyme G6PD, if you don't have it then you're in trouble.
G6PD-Def. techincally falls under blood disorders, so aspirin should not be used indeed. But if you're a carrier you're relatively safer than a patient of the disease.
I was curious, are you pure Norwegian or do you have African/Indian blood?
Yes thats true , I call it "takasor fil dam" in arabic so english name is a bit foreign for me. You see, I am a carrier and so is my sister, my two brothers have it. But those who carry it, they can also sometimes get the effect of the disease. I am actually iraqi.You see if I eat baggila the big beans sort, I get very ill and there is another vegetable, the ones who are purple they make me very very ill! while beside that I can eat anything from hommos to all other kind of beans. While my brother he could literary die if he just eats one bean. while my other brother can eat mokasarat but other things makes him stay at his bed. And its a lot common in arabic and asian contries.
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Originally posted by Snoozin:
For the medically-ignorant among us (and that is definitely me), what is g6pd deficiency? how do you get it, and are you saying there is an ethnic link somehow like taysachs or sickle cell?Thanks!
I'll let Doctor Kingdom describe it to you, cause eventhough my father has lectured me a thousand times about it. I still forget it
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
I was wondering if any of the members of this forum have (had) any health problems. I guess a big ass is a common side effect, but what else?
Your profession comes through..... 
come on I don't like to talk about fungus and lumps or whatsorever. There are many more interesting and happier things in life what you can get, right?
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Originally posted by Tigerlily:
Your profession comes through.....
Hey tiger, How are you doing? How is your pregnancy doing. your rather quiet these days, hope everything is going ok with you.
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Originally posted by Snoozin:
For the medically-ignorant among us (and that is definitely me), what is g6pd deficiency? how do you get it, and are you saying there is an ethnic link somehow like taysachs or sickle cell?Thanks!
Okay here we go: In our bodies we have millions of enzymes tha help our vital processes take place. One of which is called Glucose6Phosphate-dehydrogenase. This enzyme helps in the process of utilizing sugar (but that is not important at all in this context).
Sadly, some of us (indeed like sickle cell people, coming from certain areas in the world, like Asia) do not have this enzyme, it is deficient in them. It hits boys the worst. As a result, if they eat certain things that cannot be broken due to that absent enzyme, those foods turn into poison that breaks their blood cells. Sadly enough, our famous & delicious fool medammes, that is sometimes the only food some can afford, can kill a child instantly if he has the disease. Sad ain't it?
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Originally posted by Snoozin:
For the medically-ignorant among us (and that is definitely me), what is g6pd deficiency? how do you get it, and are you saying there is an ethnic link somehow like taysachs or sickle cell?Thanks!
Its inherited so check up if you maybe a carrier or your future husband.
By the way if you avoid those special type of food, you live quite normally.
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
Oh. I just meant if anyone has (or knows one who has) a certain disease and wants to talk about it.
Having a big ass is excluded since we all must have it by now, due to sitting behind our computers day & night.
What's so difficult about this 7aya?
there's nothing wrong with your question mykingdom,i just didn't understand it. i thought it was a joke because of the part about the big ass. well to answer you i've had a benign (elhamdullelah) lump removed when i was 19. i have a very sensitive stomach! my mother took me to so many doctors in egypt and europe and haven't figured out the problem until now. thats why even thought i eat all that junk food i'm still underweight (48 kilos). but what's really strange is that i keep getting problems that always turn out to be stress. i had a horrible cough that made me throw up 5 or 6 times a day and after soo many tests it turned out to be stressed. i've also had hair loss, skin rashes due to stress. and the worst case was last march, i got heavy headedness and i couldn't lift my head off the bed,the doctor got really concerned and asked me to do an MRI and elhamdullelah it was just stress. its really strange. anyway hehe sorry its a bit boring
best
, could be any other disease linked to 7aya's symptoms? I still would be worried.
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
Hey tiger, How are you doing? How is your pregnancy doing. your rather quiet these days, hope everything is going ok with you.
Hi, Sarah, its just funny to read all the postings on here.
And we've just returned from a nine hour car trip to beautiful Southern Germany, stocked up on baby supplies (I love to go shopping!) Have to take advantage of the Army shopping faciltiies before they are getting closed for good.
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
For Tigerlily, Germans get very healthy kids. Don't read this thread right now
Ah, I have these horrible thoughts about that something could be wrong with the baby. I know I should be not worried since I am more experienced because its not the first pregnancy and everything is well so far (baby is about 700 g right now).
By the way all my kids are 1/2 Hispanic because of dad and I am a brunette which makes them really attractive looking so no blue eyes and no blonde hair!
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Originally posted by Tigerlily:
By the way all my kids are 1/2 Hispanic because of dad and I am a brunette which makes them really attractive looking so no blue eyes and no blonde hair!
i wish an egyptian would say that too.
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Originally posted by 7aya:
there's nothing wrong with your question mykingdom,i just didn't understand it. i thought it was a joke because of the part about the big ass. well to answer you i've had a benign (elhamdullelah) lump removed when i was 19. i have a very sensitive stomach! my mother took me to so many doctors in egypt and europe and haven't figured out the problem until now. thats why even thought i eat all that junk food i'm still underweight (48 kilos). but what's really strange is that i keep getting problems that always turn out to be stress. i had a horrible cough that made me throw up 5 or 6 times a day and after soo many tests it turned out to be stressed. i've also had hair loss, skin rashes due to stress. and the worst case was last march, i got heavy headedness and i couldn't lift my head off the bed,the doctor got really concerned and asked me to do an MRI and elhamdullelah it was just stress. its really strange. anyway hehe sorry its a bit boringbest
Does not surprise me after reading your parents'life story on another thread. I wish I could give you a hug right now.
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Originally posted by 7aya:
i wish an egyptian would say that too.
7aya, my son has dark eyes and lots of dark hair and people stop me in the street here in Holland to tell me how much they adore his looks, and that he's the most beautiful baby they've ever seen. That makes me wanna give a big finger to those who think only blonde is beautiful in our Masr el-ma7roosah!
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Originally posted by 7aya:
i wish an egyptian would say that too.
Say what ?
to have kids like the other couples
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Originally posted by someone_lost:
Say what ?
to have kids like the other couples
someone_lost your mind?
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
7aya I have complete trust in Egyptian doctors but I was wondering if you also underwent tests for intestinal parasites?
Sorry to ask you about this infront of everyone else..
I had massive quiet and non deadly gas for years mixed with a bleeding ulcer.
Somehow after taking 10 days of antibiotics for a bad cold the ulcers and gas went away.
I don't know if this is common knowledge outside of the USA but ulcers can be caused by bacteria. Certain antibiotics can rid your system of them.
When I came back from Egypt the first two times I had a fast stomach with cramps. It wasn't untill winter when I had to take a strong antibiotic for sinus infections that the stomach problems went away.
Yet I didn't take antibiotics mroe than twice as a kid so I don't have resilence to them.
Just a thought.
best
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Originally posted by 7aya:
my kingdom, thanks for the support. actually i can't even remember if they checked for parasites or not. i've done so many tests i can't even remember. but the next time inshallah i vist the doctor i will ask him about that. there must be a solution for this,i can't live the rest of my life like that.
i'm sure your boy is gorgous, rabena yekhaliholek, and i love dark looks. its just a shame that egyptians are so obsessed with the blonde blue eyes look. when i go to europe people always comment about my olive skin and dark hair and eyes. did you ever hear of the fair and lovely cream? its a big hit in egypt, it promises to lighten the skin of women. so many women buy it. its so annoying!best
But thats the funny thing! here in europe ppl use a cream self tan cream to get the bronze olive looking skin, and in arab countries they use fair and lovely to get white skin!!! its true that you always wish for what you dont have.
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Originally posted by 7aya:
my kingdom, thanks for the support. actually i can't even remember if they checked for parasites or not. i've done so many tests i can't even remember. but the next time inshallah i vist the doctor i will ask him about that. there must be a solution for this,i can't live the rest of my life like that.
i'm sure your boy is gorgous, rabena yekhaliholek, and i love dark looks. its just a shame that egyptians are so obsessed with the blonde blue eyes look. when i go to europe people always comment about my olive skin and dark hair and eyes. did you ever hear of the fair and lovely cream? its a big hit in egypt, it promises to lighten the skin of women. so many women buy it. its so annoying!best
In Europe they would sell it under Fair & Ugly. hehehehe
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
In Europe they would sell it under Fair & Ugly. hehehehe
LOL
What kind of sicknesses can a khawagaa or a local get from drinking the water?
Is the infestations different from region to region?
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:dquote:
Originally posted by Tigerlily:
[B]By the way all my kids are 1/2 Hispanic because of dad and I am a brunette which makes them really attractive looking so no blue eyes and no blonde hair!
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Originally posted by Tigerlily:
By the way all my kids are 1/2 Hispanic because of dad and I am a brunette which makes them really attractive looking so no blue eyes and no blonde hair!
[This message has been edited by river_0f_l0ve (edited 15 August 2005).]
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Originally posted by river_0f_l0ve:
[b] is this an advertise for propose
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Originally posted by river_0f_l0ve:
[b] is this an advertise for propose
i hope to be always beside you take warmy
if i can run, leave my work to handle you, i will do..
plz could always have a light smile over yr lips, like a sun shine
i hope for u the best... im always here if u need me beside.........
Allah Bless You
I hope ppl we stop talking abt disease cuz it is unbearable i feel im just cracking inside as i c ppl suffer, and maybe cry...
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Originally posted by 7aya:
there's nothing wrong with your question mykingdom,i just didn't understand it. i thought it was a joke because of the part about the big ass. well to answer you i've had a benign (elhamdullelah) lump removed when i was 19. i have a very sensitive stomach! my mother took me to so many doctors in egypt and europe and haven't figured out the problem until now. thats why even thought i eat all that junk food i'm still underweight (48 kilos). but what's really strange is that i keep getting problems that always turn out to be stress. i had a horrible cough that made me throw up 5 or 6 times a day and after soo many tests it turned out to be stressed. i've also had hair loss, skin rashes due to stress. and the worst case was last march, i got heavy headedness and i couldn't lift my head off the bed,the doctor got really concerned and asked me to do an MRI and elhamdullelah it was just stress. its really strange. anyway hehe sorry its a bit boringbest
[This message has been edited by river_0f_l0ve (edited 15 August 2005).]
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Originally posted by someone_lost:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by river_0f_l0ve:
[b][b] is this an advertise for propose
[/B][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by river_0f_l0ve:
I hope ppl we stop talking abt disease cuz it is an bearable i feel im just cracking inside as i c ppl suffer, and maybe cry...
Oh when did you stop crying?
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Originally posted by Troubles101:
Oh when did you stop crying?
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Originally posted by Troubles101:
Oh when did you stop crying?
hahahahahahaha couldnt stop laughing. which is not good when you are at work ppl will think you're crazy not good for my ehm reputation
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Originally posted by river_0f_l0ve:
When i c ppl, stop have pain
ya riveroflove, I dont want to offend you or something. BUT CHILL DUDE! If you are talking serious, man you've got see some therapists or anything like that!!
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Originally posted by river_0f_l0ve:
There is no word could describe the pain i got, or the heart beating i got inside me, while i was reading your lines...i hope to be always beside you take warmy
if i can run, leave my work to handle you, i will do..plz could always have a light smile over yr lips, like a sun shine
i hope for u the best... im always here if u need me beside.........
Allah Bless You
I hope ppl we stop talking abt disease cuz it is unbearable i feel im just cracking inside as i c ppl suffer, and maybe cry...
[This message has been edited by river_0f_l0ve (edited 15 August 2005).]
7aya, I bet your husband would love to read this.
River, could you please stop double-posting, and plz plz start writing things that make sense.
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Originally posted by EFLVirgo:
7aya, I bet your husband would love to read this.River, could you please stop double-posting, and plz plz start writing things that make sense.
lol girl, thats what I was thinking.. the words just dont fit together. just like a symphoni with a bad violin player
beside im not therapist, im communication engineer...does that work with u
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
ya riveroflove, I dont want to offend you or something. BUT CHILL DUDE! If you are talking serious, man you've got see some therapists or anything like that!!
quote:
Originally posted by EFLVirgo:
7aya, I bet your husband would love to read this.River, could you please stop double-posting, and plz plz start writing things that make sense.
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Originally posted by EFLVirgo:
7aya, I bet your husband would love to read this.
hehehe yeah. actually he's pretty cool so it wouldn't cause a problem. anyway thanks river for the support
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Originally posted by someone_lost:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by river_0f_l0ve:
[b][b] is this an advertise for propose
Guys, all my children are under 6 and I don't have in mind to promise them to anyone ever. They will chose their own partners at one time in their lives.
I know in your culture it used to be quite common to promise children off already at birth to someone for later on.
Ain't happening here...... no way. My daughter would think I am crazy if I would suggest this to her. Anyway I don't think she will go with an Egyptian man though she loves the country a lot.
Last time when the delivery man from an Italian restaurant came and brought her her favourite pizza bread she was like: "Hm, yummy, this is so delicious. This is a good man. I am going to marry him.!" Kids talk!
[This message has been edited by Tigerlily (edited 15 August 2005).]
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Originally posted by Tigerlily:
I know in your culture it used to be quite common to promise children off already at birth to someone for later on.[This message has been edited by Tigerlily (edited 15 August 2005).]
Tiger, I don't think it's common at all in Egypt. People just like to joke around about it, but they never take it seriously.
In the past it was and I am sure in some rural areas its still quite common.
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Originally posted by Tigerlily:In the past it was and I am sure in some rural areas its still quite common.
Yeah, in the past, like 80% of the world.
But seriously after a circumcision of both boys and girls thats when the negiotiations would start. At least from what texts I have read.
Now at least with people migrating out of their villages, people don't want to promise their children off in the hopes that their children will find better elsewhere.
Its bad for climbing the social ladder. So its nearly done with.
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Originally posted by sonomod:
Just inquiring, what the hell is in the water, Delta region?What kind of sicknesses can a khawagaa or a local get from drinking the water?
Is the infestations different from region to region?
Son, untreated water could have all the below mentioned micro-organisms (bacteria, viruses, amoeba-like structures, and worms). Sometimes treated water could still have traces of mainly bacteria (E.coli) and Giardia. Bilharzia is caught only by swimming in or drinking infected water from ponds or stagnant nile water.
From all of the below mentioned organisms one could get diarrhea &/ vomiting, except for Legionella, which causes pneumonia.
Yes, these infections differ geographically within Egypt.
So the bad guys are: Cryptosporidium, Giardia lamblia,E. Coli, Viruses (enteric), Legionella, and of course our famous worm Bihalrzia (Schistosoma Hematobium & Mansoni)
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Originally posted by Tigerlily:In the past it was and I am sure in some rural areas its still quite common.
actually nowadays its not common in rural areas either.
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
MyKingdom are you here now? I need your help with something. If youre not busy
I'm here. Shoot.
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
I'm here. Shoot.
Oh dear thanks. Sorry to bother you at this late hour. But I cant sleep. Ecerytime i close my eyes or let my head down to sleep. I get this huge carousel ride. the world just twist around me!! getting dizzzy!!
I get also heat waves!!
Since you became ES personal doctor I was wondering if there is anything I can do to get rid of it. again sorry for bothering you so late!
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
Oh dear thanks. Sorry to bother you at this late hour. But I cant sleep. Ecerytime i close my eyes or let my head down to sleep. I get this huge carousel ride. the world just twist around me!! getting dizzzy!!
I get also heat waves!!
Since you became ES personal doctor
No trouble at all sweetie. Can I ask you a couple of questions? If you want we can MSN
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
No trouble at all sweetie. Can I ask you a couple of questions? If you want we can MSN
Well i dont have msn I have yahoo. sure you can ask. and thanks soooo much for answering me back
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
Well i dont have msn I have yahoo. sure you can ask.
How old are you?
Is aunt flo visiting?
Since when do you have this complaint?
Is it constantly happening or can you relate it to a certain event/food or drink?
Do you have any other complaints? Like cough, weight loss, diarrhea, vomiting.. etc..
Do you worry abouth sth in particular in your personal life?
.. Pls answer these fist.
*
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I have lost my appetite too. and feel very thirsty all the time. "[This message has been edited by Serendipity (edited 16 August 2005).]
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
I didnt have that much trouble with my ear but sometimes cause of allergy.
What do you mean by this?
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
What do you mean by this?
I mean in summer time I get allergies which causes that I get some trouble with my ears.
[This message has been edited by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari (edited 16 August 2005).]
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
So do you think your blood pressure is fine?
Can you count your heart rate at this moment?[This message has been edited by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari (edited 16 August 2005).]
I dont know ! But dont worry. I have taken already too much time from you. I will try to rest and maybe i will feel better tomorrow.
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Originally posted by EFLVirgo:
Salamtek Sara! Could it be low blood pressure? I've had similar symptoms. Years ago it was so bad that I just passed out on the bathroom floor minutes after waking up.
Thanks girl, I dont know if it is. I think i will check it tomorrow. but i tell its not fun feeling!
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
I dont know
No trouble at all "ya gameela". Sleep tight.
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
No trouble at all "ya gameela". Sleep tight.
to you too and thanks again for taking your time. sweet dreams
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
and of course our famous worm Bihalrzia (Schistosoma Hematobium & Mansoni)
Yeah, the Saadawi Curse. No I don't bleed in my pee. The the E-Coli thing probably did hit me.
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Originally posted by 7aya:
mykingdom, i wanted to ask you a question. alot of people here in egypt believe that if a woman takes birth control pills immediatly after she gets married it will somehow make her infertile. now i know this doesnt sound logical, especially in the west women might decide to have babies 10 or 15 years after they start becoming sexuallay active, yet they have no problem getting pregnant. but still alot of people believe in this in egypt, and i've been warned alot. so i just wanted to ask you if this has any truth or is it just a myth?
As you said it is just a myth....
But you have to consider the whole equation.
The child bearing span of the human female is sadly short.
Women are at their most fertile, very soon after they reach the menarche (puberty).
In most cases the female becomes sexually active a few years after puberty, but the idea of taking the pill is to postpone having children, mostly for economic or social and career reasons.
By the time this goal (career, finance…etc), is achieved, the woman would, in most cases, have passed the period of maximum fertility and well into its decline.
I think you can see now why this myth developed.
Couples are advised nowadays to start and complete their family early, then attend to matters of career and financial security, of course almost an impossible equation.
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Originally posted by Medosa:
As you said it is just a myth....But you have to consider the whole equation.
The child bearing span of the human female is sadly short.
Women are at their most fertile, very soon after they reach the menarche (puberty).
In most cases the female becomes sexually active a few years after puberty, but the idea of taking the pill is to postpone having children, mostly for economic or social and career reasons.
By the time this goal (career, finance…etc), is achieved, the woman would, in most cases, have passed the period of maximum fertility and well into its decline.
I think you can see now why this myth developed.
Couples are advised nowadays to start and complete their family early, then attend to matters of career and financial security, of course almost an impossible equation.
hi medosa, thank you so much for explaining that. you can't imagine how many egyptian women believe that birth control pills will make them infertile. but i can see how it developed now. but i think what scares some women here is that some very young women, in their 20's took the pill for a year or two following the marriage and couldn't concieve later. so i guess people started believing that its birth control that caused that. but as i said you can't imagine how many women believe this. the next time you visit egypt, just say the words "birth control" and youll immediatly have someone saysing, "but it makes women infertile, it plays with their hormones!"
anyway thank you so much for explaining.
best
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Originally posted by 7aya:
hi medosa, thank you so much for explaining that. you can't imagine how many egyptian women believe that birth control pills will make them infertile. but i can see how it developed now. but i think what scares some women here is that some very young women, in their 20's took the pill for a year or two following the marriage and couldn't concieve later. so i guess people started believing that its birth control that caused that. but as i said you can't imagine how many women believe this. the next time you visit egypt, just say the words "birth control" and youll immediatly have someone saysing, "but it makes women infertile, it plays with their hormones!"
anyway thank you so much for explaining.best
Not at all, my pleasure.
It may also be that taking the pill can mask infertility. What I mean is that if a young woman does not take the pill and cannot get pregnant, she will seek help. But if she takes the pill for a while then wants to get pregnant and cannot,
a)she will blame it on the pill, specially in a society where a woman is looked down upon if not fertile, even if it is her husband who is !!!.
b)It might have made treatment a little too late.
Of course we must not forget that there are those who would spread such dis-information around for their own reasons.
I remember when I was in Egypt, a lot of (religious) leaders opposed birth control and issued fatwas that taking the pill was haram and amounts to killing the unborn baby (just like other non muslim religious groups believe too).
Talking of this, I remember also that some of those people spread rumours that vaccinations made men impotent and infertile !!!
It is amazing what simple people can believe.
This reminded me of a funny incident when as medical students, we were on a clinical round in Neurology outpatient clinic. The purpose was to teach us how to examine sensory and motor functions.
So to examine and locate sensory deficit , in those days we used pin prick sensation (not used nowadays), that is, to lightly touch (not to draw blood or anything like that), areas of skin with a pin and ask the patient to report if he feels it sharp, dull, or not at all...
The patient was a simple (falah) boy of about 18.
Just before we started, our lecturer left the room briefly, so one of our numbers, a wicked boy, got it in his head to play a trick on this poor patient.
So he took him aside and told him that we were planning to kill him and use his body for experiments, and that the way he will be killed is by a pin prick.
Imagine what happened when the lecturer came back and tried to demonstrate how to test for sensory deficit using a pin prick ..
The poor boy bolted at top speed out of the room and hospital , running for dear life...the lecturer froze in total shock and amazement for nearly a full minute, while the rest of us suddenly burst laughing...
We were all suitably reprimanded and taught a bit more about respect to our patients and our pofession
I consider the ages of 13-63 quite a stretch.
My great grandmother had her last at 56 and it was the least complicated pregnancy.
And having children in your teens is an extremely dangerous thing to do. Postules are epidemic in regions of mandatory teen pregnancy. Ethopia even has a national law that women with postules past or present cannot ride public transportation or taxis becuase of 'seepage'.
Why would any female want to be pregnant before 20 is beyound me.
Pregnancy is a great time in a life of a woman. And the result is very rewarding.
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Originally posted by sonomod:
Why would any female want to be pregnant before 20 is beyound me.
I was about 16 when I was longing for a baby. Seriously I bought a book about pregnancy and how to raise a child. I admired the women who went with their little cute babies for a walk. I looked into every stroller and was just amazed. Most of the other girls were more busy with going to clubs and dating. I went many afternoons and evenings to babysit children (well next to getting experience some pocket money was always needed).
I just wanted to have a baby. Well, at first I had to find the right guy. It took me another 8 years that my dream came finally true...... and its wonderful.
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Originally posted by sonomod:
Why do people think that the female span of fertility is short?I consider the ages of 13-63 quite a stretch.
My great grandmother had her last at 56 and it was the least complicated pregnancy.
And having children in your teens is an extremely dangerous thing to do. Postules are epidemic in regions of mandatory teen pregnancy. Ethopia even has a national law that women with postules past or present cannot ride public transportation or taxis becuase of 'seepage'.
Why would any female want to be pregnant before 20 is beyound me.
No it is not 13-63 it is 14-50 (the average age was 45 in the 1900's, now it is 50).
This is the normal span when pregnancy is possible, but if you consider the safe time within this window, by excluding the teen years and over 35 (see below), you will be left with about 15 years only, I consider this very short indeed.
Just like in any biological system, we are talking about 1 standard deviation (roughly 60%)will have their menarche by 14 +/- 2 and their menopause by 50 +/-2.5.
Meaning that taking menarche and menopause separately,there is a further spread either way, (2 standard deviations, about 15% each side +/-2.5). Those will have a very early menarche (or menopause), or a very late one , your grandmother was very late indeed, as was Zakarias wife in the religious mythology.
She was lucky not to have a child with genetic abnormality such as Downs syndrome, since the incidence of such births increases dramatically with the increased age of the mother (beyond 35 is considered risky, and tests are routinely carried out for those).
One very good argument for having children early.
By the way we are not talking here about teenage pregnancy being desirable , we are talking about early (20-30) versus late >30.
Another reason is that women who do not get pregnant by about 35 tend to develop polycystic ovaries symptoms, specially if they are over weight. Another good argument for getting your family complete early.
Oh again by the way polycystic ovaries are also a cause of difficulties in conceiving.
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Let me first explain some stuff:
1- The brain regulated the ovulation process. So when the female is about 14 years old, the brain says to the ovary: "Pssst you down there, according to my calculations, it's time to lay an egg (ovum)." This message is in reality done through a messenger called: a hormone. To keep things simple, let's call it the ovulation hormone.
2- There are two possibilities:
A: The egg does not get fertilized (no pregnancy), and the woman gets her period to shed down the dead ovum. That is accompanied by some hormonal changes that the brain detects, gets the message and starts a new cycle in 28 days by nudging the ovary again.
B: The egg gets fertilized & pregnancy occurs. In this case the growing tissues send a message (pregnancy hromones) to the big boss (brain), saying: "Lady pregnant, roger". So the brain, being intelligent enough, says: "Okay, then I don't need to nudge the ovary for a while, let's say.. 9 months!". So for as long as lady is preggo, no ovulation occurs.
A very clever scientist once thought: "Hmm, what if I lie to the brain, making him think lady is pregnant, for as long as it takes, so Brain won't annoy the ovary to make an egg?". So he invented the contraceptive pills, that simply contain the pregnancy hromones.
So far so good. BUT, there are two problems that come along with all this:
1- Among other side effects, lady goes kind of nuts from the use of the pills, cos she's set on "pregnancy mode". That's why the pill causes mood changes. But that is not your question 7aya. Read further..
2- If the ovulation hormone is already made in lower concentrations by nature, the pill will make it even more difficult for this hormone to have its effect. That's why it takes longer for some women to get pregnant after stopping the use of the pills, and of course some who already would not be able to ovulate could blame it on the pill for this reason. BUT, if this is the only cause of infertility, it's realtively easy to treat using certain medications.
So the conclusion: It's a myth that has some truth in it.
If you want to use the pills do that, but be ready for some mood changes.. I never used them myself so maybe some other members of the forum can tell you how they felt with the use of contraception.
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Originally posted by Medosa:
Oh again by the way polycystic ovaries are also a cause of difficulties in conceiving.
The ovari cysts were something my mother had in her early twenties, and mind you still a size 6.
After those reptured she was finally able to concieve me, her first child at age 23.
About 20% of my family has these cysts in their early twenties and late teens. Except for me the women in my family are under a size 8, some underweight and flat as a board.
Maybe my family is a family of freaks, but no one has ever had cysts past 24, each and everyone of them had reptured, including with me.
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
Okay 7aya, just a little too late to answer your question. Medosa said well, but I still would like to mention my point of view.
What is mentioned in Egypt about the birth control pills is indeed a myth, but has some truth to it.Let me first explain some stuff:
1- The brain regulated the ovulation process. So when the female is about 14 years old, the brain says to the ovary: "Pssst you down there, according to my calculations, it's time to lay an egg (ovum)." This message is in reality done through a messenger called: a hormone. To keep things simple, let's call it the ovulation hormone.
2- There are two possibilities:
A: The egg does not get fertilized (no pregnancy), and the woman gets her period to shed down the dead ovum. That is accompanied by some hormonal changes that the brain detects, gets the message and starts a new cycle in 28 days by nudging the ovary again.
B: The egg gets fertilized & pregnancy occurs. In this case the growing tissues send a message (pregnancy hromones) to the big boss (brain), saying: "Lady pregnant, roger". So the brain, being intelligent enough, says: "Okay, then I don't need to nudge the ovary for a while, let's say.. 9 months!". So for as long as lady is preggo, no ovulation occurs.A very clever scientist once thought: "Hmm, what if I lie to the brain, making him think lady is pregnant, for as long as it takes, so Brain won't annoy the ovary to make an egg?". So he invented the contraceptive pills, that simply contain the pregnancy hromones.
So far so good. BUT, there are two problems that come along with all this:
1- Among other side effects, lady goes kind of nuts from the use of the pills, cos she's set on "pregnancy mode". That's why the pill causes mood changes. But that is not your question 7aya. Read further..
2- If the ovulation hormone is already made in lower concentrations by nature, the pill will make it even more difficult for this hormone to have its effect. That's why it takes longer for some women to get pregnant after stopping the use of the pills, and of course some who already would not be able to ovulate could blame it on the pill for this reason. BUT, if this is the only cause of infertility, it's realtively easy to treat using certain medications.So the conclusion: It's a myth that has some truth in it.
If you want to use the pills do that, but be ready for some mood changes.. I never used them myself so maybe some other members of the forum can tell you how they felt with the use of contraception.
Well explained , no wonder you teach now
I am not a Gynaecologist, but isn't the delay in ovulation a matter of one or 2 cycles in the abscence of any other reason for failure to conceive ?
But yes one has to agree, as indeed you said, and also as I said early, it is a myth but with good reasons for people to believe in it.
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Originally posted by Medosa:
No it is not 13-63 it is 14-50 (the average age was 45 in the 1900's, now it is 50).This is the normal span when pregnancy is possible, but if you consider the safe time within this window, by excluding the teen years and over 35 (see below), you will be left with about 15 years only, I consider this very short indeed.
Just like in any biological system, we are talking about 1 standard deviation (roughly 60%)will have their menarche by 14 and their menopause by 50.
Meaning that taking menarche and menopause separately,there is a further spread either way, (2 standard deviations, about 15% each side). Those will have a very early menarche (or menopause), or a very late one , your grandmother was very late indeed, as was Zakarias wife in the religious mythology.
She was lucky not to have a child with genetic abnormality such as Downs syndrome, since the incidence of such births increases dramatically with the increased age of the mother (beyond 35 is considered risky, and tests are routinely carried out for those).
One very good argument for having children early.
By the way we are not talking here about teenage pregnancy being desirable , we are talking about early (20-30) versus late >30.
Another reason is that women who do not get pregnant by about 35 tend to develop polycystic ovaries symptoms, specially if they are over weight. Another good argument for getting your family complete early.
Oh again by the way polycystic ovaries are also a cause of difficulties in conceiving.
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And just to cover all bases, many of these new fertility studies either come from religious or conservative think tanks with a recieptant university that has recieved a large donation from these think tanks, or a pharmacitical company with much to gain.
I am extremely weary of accepting any study done on female and reproductive health until I know who did the study, which institution or company, and who organizations the institution or group is tied to.
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Originally posted by Medosa:
isn't the delay in ovulation a matter of one or 2 cycles in the abscence of any other reason for failure to conceive ?
According to the definition of infertility, we have to wait for 2 years before we can describe a couple as infertile.
Does this answer your question or did I not understand it right?
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Originally posted by sonomod:
The ovari cysts were something my mother had in her early twenties, and mind you still a size 6.After those reptured she was finally able to concieve me, her first child at age 23.
About 20% of my family has these cysts in their early twenties and late teens. Except for me the women in my family are under a size 8, some underweight and flat as a board.
Maybe my family is a family of freaks, but no one has ever had cysts past 24, each and everyone of them had reptured, including with me.
Hi Sonomod
Polycystic ovarian syndrome is in fact a bit of a misleading name as you do not always have to have cysts within the ovaries to diagnose it.
It is a group of symptoms, attributed to bad dietry habbits and weight gain, (although it has also, funny enough, been associated with being under weight and with Anorexia Nervosa), it is also associated with Diabetes (some treat it with Metformin, which is a drug used to treat Diabetes). The symptoms are of irregularity of periods , which become less and less frequent, or cease completely, excessive hair growth of masculine distribution (i.e. facial hair, limb hair..etc), and of course difficulty in conceiving, and obesity in most cases.
I do not know if that was the case with your family, but isolated cysts of the ovaries are another story.
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
According to the definition of infertility, we have to wait for 2 years before we can describe a couple as infertile.Does this answer your question or did I not understand it right?
What I meant was to comment on this bit of your explanation :
[2- If the ovulation hormone is already made in lower concentrations by nature, the pill will make it even more difficult for this hormone to have its effect. That's why it takes longer for some women to get pregnant after stopping the use of the pills]
by asking is this a matter of 1 or 2 cycles after stopping the pill, before the woman ovulates again, or can it be a longer effect ?
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Originally posted by Medosa:
Hi SonomodPolycystic ovarian syndrome is in fact a bit of a misleading name as you do not always have to have cysts within the ovaries to diagnose it.
It is a group of symptoms, attributed to bad dietry habbits and weight gain, (although it has also, funny enough, been associated with being under weight and with Anorexia Nervosa), it is also associated with Diabetes (some treat it with Metformin, which is a drug used to treat Diabetes). The symptoms are of irregularity of periods , which become less and less frequent, or cease completely, excessive hair growth of masculine distribution (i.e. facial hair, limb hair..etc), and of course difficulty in conceiving, and obesity in most cases.
I do not know if that was the case with your family, but isolated cysts of the ovaries are another story.
No one in my family is overweight (except my mother, but thats liquor related), no one has any noticable hair except on their scalp and eyebrows. None of us started to shave our legs or underarms until 15, and even now we don't sport much body hair.
Diabetes doesn't run in the family, everyone is under a size 8 (except me and my mother). And no one has has eating disorders. and for dietary habits, all of us ate from a garden on our property growing up (I was suburban raised but had a 1 feddan lot half of which was flowers or vegetable garden, the rest of the family is rural and rarely eats sweets, ice cream is a sweet!)
So none of those symptoms apply to my family even the periods, most of the women had periods every month when they had the cysts, yet not on time.
Again I don't know where you get your information from?
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Originally posted by Medosa:
What I meant was to comment on this bit of your explanation :[2- If the ovulation hormone is already made in lower concentrations by nature, the pill will make it even more difficult for this hormone to have its effect. That's why it takes longer for some women to get pregnant after stopping the use of the pills]
by asking is this a matter of 1 or 2 cycles after stopping the pill, before the woman ovulates again, or can it be a longer effect ?
It is not yet known why/how this happens. It seems that the brain gets sort of lazy after being suppressed by the pill, and in order to regain its old level of activity it takes from no time in one woman's case to a very long time, in, hopefully, a less culturally stressed other woman's case.
Maybe you can write an article about that issue?
Was that your article about shisha use among women in Al-Ahram? Very good..
I tend to be liberal in my thinking, and I accept everyone for who they are, except for this one thing: I just can't stand the sight of a dressed to wanna-be-looking-like-a-saint (met7aggeba) veiled woman with a shisha in her mouth. Utterly disgusting.
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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
So 7aya have you read our replies about the pill?Maybe you can write an article about that issue?
Was that your article about shisha use among women in Al-Ahram? Very good..
I tend to be liberal in my thinking, and I accept everyone for who they are, except for this one thing: I just can't stand the sight of a dressed to wanna-be-looking-like-a-saint (met7aggeba) veiled woman with a shisha in her mouth. Utterly disgusting.
hi, yes thank you very much mykingdom and medosa for taking the time to explain this. i like the way you mykingdom explained the way a woman gets pregnant . you used simple language that an idiot like me can understand so basically the pill can only create a problem if the woman already has a fertility problem. so i guess the best way to deal with this is for a couple to take some tests before marriage,l to see if they are fertile or not. although i guess if it turns out that either of them is infertile, all wedding plans would be cancelled, its sad.
you know medosa, if a woman here takes the pill and then is later unable to concieve, people tell her that god is punishing her because she "e3teredet 3ala eradto" i never thought about it as an e3terad, but more in terms of planning and organizing your life.
umm mykingdom, there are several articles written about the shisha, mine was about an ad by the ministry of health.
again thank you both so much for your help
best
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Originally posted by sonomod:
No one in my family is overweight (except my mother, but thats liquor related), no one has any noticable hair except on their scalp and eyebrows. None of us started to shave our legs or underarms until 15, and even now we don't sport much body hair.
Diabetes doesn't run in the family, everyone is under a size 8 (except me and my mother). And no one has has eating disorders. and for dietary habits, all of us ate from a garden on our property growing up (I was suburban raised but had a 1 feddan lot half of which was flowers or vegetable garden, the rest of the family is rural and rarely eats sweets, ice cream is a sweet!)
So none of those symptoms apply to my family even the periods, most of the women had periods every month when they had the cysts, yet not on time.
Again I don't know where you get your information from?
Sonomod
As I explained before. Polycystic ovaries syndrome is a name given to the group of symptoms I outlined above. It is a little misleading because you can have the syndrome without having actual cysts at all.
Also as I said before, having cysts of the ovaries is a different story. To explain more there are many types of ovarian cysts benign and malignant, tiny and huge.
By your description members of your family do not have polycystic ovaries syndrome, they seem to develop simple ovarian cysts.
Where do I get my information from?. I am a medical doctor with over 3O years experience. So I get my information from my medical text books, medical journals, meetings, seminars, symposia, work shops, discussions, experience, just about the same as any other doctor does all over the world.
However my specialty in not Gynaecology.
Just thought I should add, what is meant by simple ovarian cysts is, they are not malignant, they can be either non-functional cysts, follicular, or corpus luteal cysts.
Follicular cysts are the most common, normally an ovum (egg), develops inside a cyst, which is called follicular cyst, when it matures, that cyst ruptures and releases the egg. If the cyst does not rupture and continues to grow a little, the woman would then have a persistent follicular cyst.
Luteal cysts on the other hand happen normally when the ovum (egg), gets fertilized (the woman gets pregnant), this cyst has a very important function in sustaining the pregnancy, in fact if you remove it the lady may miscarry. Sometimes these cysts can rupture and cause severe pain, or bleeding can happen inside them causing not only severe pain, but may be a life threatening situation.
Sometimes an old bleed in one of these cysts gives it a brownish colour, it is then called a chocolate cyst.
I hope this little addendum explains thing a little more for you.
Best regards
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Originally posted by 7aya:
hi, yes thank you very much mykingdom and medosa for taking the time to explain this. i like the way you mykingdom explained the way a woman gets pregnant . you used simple language that an idiot like me can understand
you know medosa, if a woman here takes the pill and then is later unable to concieve, people tell her that god is punishing her because she "e3teredet 3ala eradto" i never thought about it as an e3terad, but more in terms of planning and organizing your life.
umm mykingdom, there are several articles written about the shisha, mine was about an ad by the ministry of health.
again thank you both so much for your helpbest
Thanks 7aya
Of course it is not (e3terad), to organize one's life. It can be considered simply this way , if God is going to bless me with kids is it wrong to have them at a time and in the numbers that I can bring up well?, so that they and I can feel and be grateful for his blessings ?
It is amazing how much wrong and somtimes even evil is committed or omitted in the name of religion (any), and God .
One of the many reasons why I personally came to reject religions (but not God). I know people may find this odd or hard to swallow, but there are a lot of people like myself who believe in God but do not follow a particular organized religion or faith.
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
Hey doctors here, I am just wondering. Why in Gods name do you get so sad when you're sick!
Does it have any medical explanation????
and any solution???????
sara i'm not a doctor, but ofcourse people will get sad when they're sick. you're tired, in pain, probably stuck at home and bored. a day or two of this would make anyone miserable. we humans to take our health for granted! salamtek ya sara and inshallah youll get better soon!
you're such a sweetheart.
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Originally posted by Serendipity:
Hey doctors here, I am just wondering. Why in Gods name do you get so sad when you're sick!
Does it have any medical explanation????
and any solution???????
First, all my best wishes to you for speedy and complete recovery.
Other than the reasons 7aya gave, there are also without a doubt some organic (meaning physical as opposed to psychological), reasons for feeling sad and even depressed when ill.
Of course not all illnesses would cause this, but for example some severe infections will release toxins (poisons), into the blood stream that can cause not only all those horrible physical symptoms like fever, sickness, pains, tiredness, but also sadness, apathy, bad dreams, hallucinations, and can even cause psychosis (madness, although I do not like that word), this is called organic psychosis, and can resemble paranoid schizophernia . The elderly in particular are more vulnrable to it.
Of course there are many other reasons, other than infections that can do this, I think we all know about post partum depression (baby blues), which affects women after child birth.
Enough now I think I can go on, but must not bore all of you too much
Oh what can you do about it ? That depends on the illness it is associated with, in most cases the treatment of that, will take care of the depression. In other cases the careful use of a short course of anti-depressants can help a great deal.
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Ps. I have:
a. Migraines
b. Ass
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Originally posted by Medosa:
One of the many reasons why I personally came to reject religions (but not God). I know people may find this odd or hard to swallow, but there are a lot of people like myself who believe in God but do not follow a particular organized religion or faith.
That's not weird, you're describing a significant portion of the US population!
I'm happy that people can find their spirituality in different ways.
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Originally posted by Snoozin:
That's not weird, you're describing a significant portion of the US population!
I'm happy that people can find their spirituality in different ways.
So Medosa,pls correct me if i'm wrong, but when filling in forms and stating your religious beliefs. You would put that u r agnostic? and not athiest, as u said u do believe in God.
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Originally posted by poppy:
So Medosa,pls correct me if i'm wrong, but when filling in forms and stating your religious beliefs. You would put that u r agnostic? and not athiest, as u said u do believe in God.
Correct, I am an agnostic and not an atheist.
Put simply, we know very little about spiritual life. . The case for the existence or otherwise of God has not been made either way convincingly. So agnostics do not accept the existence of God as a fact, nor do they deny it outright, that is the jury is still out if you like!.
God, MAY have sent messengers, but what is important? Is it the message or is it the messenger. I believe it is the message that matters; whether it came from God, our conscience or our intelligence...it does not matter.
While followers of religions, debate and fight around who is the true messenger and which of the religions is supreme, we believe that such debate is totally futile.
We (humanity), have matured enough now to understand the essence of the message and manage our life’s, without the need for a detailed user's manual (religion).
Filling in forms is another story, since the vast majority of officialdom know absolute zilch, let alone what an agnostic is.
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Originally posted by Medosa:
Correct , I am an agnostic and not an atheist.Put simply, we know very little about spritual life, God may have sent some messengers to us, but what is important is the message and not the messenger.
We (humanity), have matured enough now to understand the essence of the message and manage our lifes, without the need for a detailed user's manual (religion).
Filling in forms is another story, since the vast majority of officialdom know absolute zelch , let alone what an agnostic is.
An interesting viewpoint! thanku 4 that. Ah! yes i was 4gettin the inate ignorance of officialdom (and worldwide, it appears)
Its an ideal job for those with a power complex.[This message has been edited by Medosa (edited 22 August 2005).]
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Originally posted by poppy:
I have edited my last post with a little more explanation.