2 Smiley and very serviceminded swedish girls will be in charge of Café Del Mar- Hurghada-Sekalla from 1 of september. We will serve breakfasts, delicious salads, yammi sandwishes, pastas, BBQ, fish, pizzas and more.... Welcome!
Posted by Mimmi (Member # 3606) on :
Good luck and success to you two. I hope it will be going fine for you ,I envy you.
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
Good luck girls.. im moving to hurghada from denmark in 1 months.. might stop by and see what u got ;-)
Posted by Queen of plans (Member # 10629) on :
Might stop by?? You have to come and visit us!I hope to see you soon...
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
Haha ok.. deal! i will.. anyway. i am a girl and half danish half swedish so it would be nice to talk to someone in another lanuage than english lol ;-)
Posted by Queen of plans (Member # 10629) on :
Sounds great! You are welcome anytime, looking forward to meet you.
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
;-) Om en måned mere eller mindre skulle jeg være der :-D hoppas i kommer godt fra start, og at mange mennesker besøger jeres nye resturant
Posted by Queen of plans (Member # 10629) on :
Tack! Det hoppas vi också. Var skall du bo och har du något jobb?
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
Det skal nok gå.. 2 søde svenske piger.. kan da ikke gå galt, kan det?? Jeg skla bo i en lejlighed i Hurghada.. ligger nok små 10 min fra sakala. Jeg har fået job hos et reklamefirma. Så nu må vi se om det er noget.. hvis ikke finder jeg nok noget andet.. lønningerne er jo ikke så høje i egypten så det er med at være kræsne.. hvor lang tid har i boet i Hurghada??? Det var da en rigtig god ide med at opstarte en resturant ;-)
Posted by Queen of plans (Member # 10629) on :
Vad kul att du har fått jobb på en reklambyrå! Lönerna är ju inte direkt vad vi är vana vid, men å andra sidan så är det väldigt mycket billigare att leva där. Vi är fortfarande i Sverige, åker den 29 augusti. Har tillbringat mkt tid i Hurghada och jobbat med att få allting klart med restaurangen! Det skall bli så kul att äntligen få sätta i gång på riktigt... Har du pojkvän i Hurghada?
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
Jeg synes det er så cool med to svenske forretningspiger i Hurghada.. det er dejligt at se nogle skandinaver komme frem i verden ;-) Hvor i sverige er i egentlig fra?? Ja det job jeg har fået er faktisk ret godt.. men nu ser vi.. er det ikke noget, er det heldigvis nemmere for udlændinge at få arbejde pga vores uddannelse. Ja det har jeg.. en dejlig lille fyr og en masse venner og veninder også ;-)
Posted by Queen of plans (Member # 10629) on :
Vi kommer från Göteborg, och du? Det är verkligen jätte spännande att vara de första skandinaverna som öppnar en restaurang i Hurghada, vi har fått massor av positiva reaktioner från resebyråerna vilket känns jättebra. Fast ibland så undrar jag lite vad vi har gett oss in på..det är ju trots allt ett annorlunda land mot vad vi är vana vid. Men man blir ju en erfarenhet rikare i alla fall!
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
Jeg er fra Herning i Danmark, men min far er svensk og bor när Trollhättan hvis i kender det.. Kan godt forstå hvis i er spændte.. men er sikker på at det nok skal gå.. har i kærester dernede eller har i bare en god omgangskreds dernede???
Livet i egypten er bare nemmere når man kender en masse mennesker... Dog har jeg ogå opdaget at man ikke bare skal stole blindt på alle egypter haha.. en vis skepsis er en god ting.. jeg tager i hvert fald ikke derned som den naive blonde pige, som så mange andre gør...
sys virkelig det er cool i har overtaget resturanten...
Posted by Queen of plans (Member # 10629) on :
Håller med dig helt och fullt- måste hålla ögonen öppna och aldrig lite på någon. Speciellt inte som tjej och dessutom blond Jag undrar hur vår personal kommer att reagera på två tjejer som chefer...det skall bli intressant att se Yes- vi har egyptiska pojkvänner och massa kompisar i Hurghada. Vem hade kunnat tro det, att man skulle öppna restaurang i Egypten och ha en egyptisk pojkvän?? Fast..vi får väl se hur det går med kärleken- vi har ju så olika mentaliteter! Eller vad säger du?
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
Har i ansat egyptisk personale?? Håber det kommer til at fungere, specielt fordi at boss-ansat forholdet dernede nok typisk er anderledes end vi havde været vant til..
Jeg havde aldrig i live troet jeg skulle forelske mig i en egypter og forlade mit land for at flytte til et ukendt og spændende land som egypten..
Jeg håber kærligheden overlever de mange forhindringer der er i mentalitet osv. Gør den det, ved man at det er meningen at man skal være sammen med ham. Gør den ikke vil det gøre ondt men som jeg altid har sagt om mænd
"Du levede før ham... Det kan du igen"
Posted by Queen of plans (Member # 10629) on :
Vi kommer att ha egyptisk personal, från början kommer vi att behålla den befintliga personalen som redan finns på restaurangen, men vi får väl se om vi är nöjda med dem osv. Om de har problem med att vi är kvinnor så kan de se sig om efter ett annat jobb. Nej- vem trodde att man skulle bli kär i en egyptisk man...jag tror stenhårt på att "det som är menat är menat". Vad sysslar din pojkvän med där nere?
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
Ja i bliver nødt til at slå fast med det samme hvem der bestemmer så i bliver taget seriøst.. Men mon ikke det går?? Ellers er der jo masse af jobsøgende i egypten.. så svære kan de heller ikke være at erstatte haha... hvad betaler i dem??
Kunne da være vi skulle have en bytur nå r jeg kommer ;-) har en anden dansk veninde som også bor dernede.. 4 skandinaviske piger på ministry of sound eller noget, kunne da være alt for sjovt :-p Det skal nok gå galt...
Min kæreste arbejder i hans fars butik så det er meget typisk egyptisk går jeg ud fra.. hvad laver jeres??
knus og kram Louise
Posted by Queen of plans (Member # 10629) on :
Restaurang personalen i Egypten tjänar väldigt dåligt..Jag tror inte det blir några problem att hitta ny personal om det inte funkar med den gamla. Det hade varit jättetrevligt att gå på en "bytur", men jag antar att jag kommer jobba dygnet runt ett bra tag framöver- men ta med dig dina vänner och smaka på våra goa drinkar innan ni drar vidare till ministry of sound, restaurangen ligger ju på vägen dit ! Min pojkvän jobbar som fastighetsmäklare, han kommer från Alexandria men har bott i Hrg i 5 år. Kram Malin
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
ok.. helt i orden... jeg kommer også til at arbejde hårdt men lidt fritid skal jeg have haha...
knus louise
Posted by Queen of plans (Member # 10629) on :
Du får gärna skicka PM till mig, ser fram emot at träffa dig Louise! /Malin
Posted by ymmmi (Member # 8848) on :
Lycka till =)
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
der går da helt skandinavien i den på dette forum
Posted by ymmmi (Member # 8848) on :
hehe =) japp, vad synd att ni alla kommer ner så sent, åker ner nu den 15 augusti en veclas semester för att hälsa på in man medans han har semester från miltärtjänsten =)
Posted by ymmmi (Member # 8848) on :
hade varit roligt att träffa er alla =) När jag bodde där fanns det tyvär inte många skandinaver där nere =/
Posted by egyptian-guy (Member # 9121) on :
Eye lost it somewhere , somehow Lost in translation is how i feel right now
Posted by Queen of plans (Member # 10629) on :
Hi Egypt-guy!
Sorry about that Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
sorry :-p
Posted by ymmmi (Member # 8848) on :
sorry =)
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
hehe hvad undskylder vi for egentlig??? lidt sprogforskelle skal der være
Posted by Queen of plans (Member # 10629) on :
Hahahahahahaha! Typiskt oss skandinaver o vara så himla artiga hela tiden Posted by yoghurt (Member # 6146) on :
Queen of plans, Lycka till med kaféet... Jag har aldrig varit i Hurghada, bara i Kairo, men om jag kommer ner dit då svänger jag förbi för att se hur det går för er... Men en annan fråga då...ni har bott i Egypten då till och från förstår jag...hur är det egentligen? Jag menar i jämfört med Sverige? standarden? Ha det bra! Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
why are so many expats working in egyptian resorts? why don't you leave those jobs for the egyptians?
Posted by Mimmi (Member # 3606) on :
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: why are so many expats working in egyptian resorts? why don't you leave those jobs for the egyptians?
Hey com on, there are millions of egyptians working abroad also. We even have some of them here in Finland.
Posted by Mimmi (Member # 3606) on :
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: why are so many expats working in egyptian resorts? why don't you leave those jobs for the egyptians?
These girls putting up an own business they employ the locals. They can also be good role models for young egyptian girls, show them that girls can also put up some own business.
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: why are so many expats working in egyptian resorts? why don't you leave those jobs for the egyptians?
Are u kidding??? The forrigners in egypt (such as myself) apply for a job on equal terms as egyptians.. if they pick me because i am better qualified, is that taking the job away from an egyptian person?? i dont think so...
futhermore (as mentioned before) thousands of forrigners work abroad (in denmark too).. But i dont think they are taking any job from me. The job should go to the person most qualifed for the position...
Posted by micky azzam (Member # 11209) on :
THINK OF ALL THE IMMIGRANTS THAT ARE IN THE USA . THEY ARE ALSO TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM AMERICANS . WE HAVE VERY POOR PEOPLE HERE TOO THAT NEED A JOB , BUT THERE IS A RULE WEHAVE TO HIRE SO MANY IMMAGRANTS.PER JOB
Posted by Fleur (Member # 9095) on :
futhermore (as mentioned before) thousands of forrigners work abroad (in denmark too).. But i dont think they are taking any job from me. The job should go to the person most qualifed for the position...
but in your country the unemployment is very low so yes in this case the job should go to the person most qualify, but when you do work in the country where the employment is so high like in Egypt its normal to hear such kind of comments like job should go to Egyptians first
Posted by micky azzam (Member # 11209) on :
WE HAVE 1000'S OF PEOPLE GETTING LAID OFF AND WITH OUT JOBS . THEY ARE GIVING ALL THE MEXICANS WHO ARE ILLEGAL THE JOBS FOR LESS PAY
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
i understand that, but its pretty clear that ofcourse the employer want the person most qualified to work for him.. why should he prefer egyptians over danish/swedish/american/english and so on people??? if the egyptian person is the most qualified ofcourse he will be chosen.. if not.. dont cry that the job were wrongfully taken from you... the person who got the job, no matter what nationality or race, probably busted his/her ass throughout educations and so on, and deserve the job.
Posted by Fleur (Member # 9095) on :
B]THINK OF ALL THE IMMIGRANTS THAT ARE IN THE USA . THEY ARE ALSO TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM AMERICANS . WE HAVE VERY POOR PEOPLE HERE TOO THAT NEED A JOB , BUT THERE IS A RULE WEHAVE TO HIRE SO MANY IMMAGRANTS.PER JOB [/B]
In America as well as any wealthy country, most immigrants don’t take the job away they just do the job that national people do not want to do meanwhile they are blaming for stealing all those jobs
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
quote:Originally posted by micky azzam: WE HAVE 1000'S OF PEOPLE GETTING LAID OFF AND WITH OUT JOBS . THEY ARE GIVING ALL THE MEXICANS WHO ARE ILLEGAL THE JOBS FOR LESS PAY
same happens here in denmark and ofcourse.. if two people can do the same job equally good, why not choose the cheaper one?? i agree some employers choose the cheap labour over the qualified labour and that dosent seem right or fair.. but thats just the way our society works.. i just feel sorry for the immigrants who have to work for ½ the pay (here in denmark its mostly people from polen).. they should get the salary they deserve for the job they do.. if they are qualified...
i do feel however, that the right thing to do is to employ the person who is mostly qualified.. sadly not many people share this opinion.. they only see the money
Posted by Fleur (Member # 9095) on :
i understand that, but its pretty clear that ofcourse the employer want the person most qualified to work for him.. why should he prefer egyptians over danish/swedish/american/english and so on people??? if the egyptian person is the most qualified ofcourse he will be chosen.. if not.. dont cry that the job were wrongfully taken from you... the person who got the job, no matter what nationality or race, probably busted his/her ass throughout educations and so on, and deserve the job.
I understand your point. But again this statement is valid in your country. Do you know how much does it cost in Egypt to get a good education? And to open your own business you need to have a minimum of knowledge that you only can gain by having received a good education. Do you see what I mean? In Egypt people may have not had the chance to get those knowledge they would need, to open their own business or to get a job where they need someone qualify, that does not mean they are not able to do the job. In your country you can always turn a person away because of his of her lack of education, and qualification as to study things are much more easier, but I do not think it is in Egypt.
Posted by Mimmi (Member # 3606) on :
If the country does not want any foreigners to come to work there they should than make it imposible to get a work and residence permit. But like egyptians coming to Finland, when they get the work and residence permits they get also all our benefits. They get free schooling etc. and many coming here they do not get any work so they get all the unemployment benefits etc etc. Many are coming just to profit of all the benefits to live an easy life. Which is not the case for peopåle going to work in Egypt they do not get any help or benefits from the gouvernment. There are also living many hard working egyptians and foreigners in Finland they are not all living on the benefits but unfortunatelly many are. So if 2 Swedish girls are trying to make a restaurantsuccessfull in Hurghada , they are working hard and they employ locals and use the local products etc. etc. I don't think they take anything away from the egyptians on the contrary they give work to the locals. They will support themselves and several egyptians.
Posted by newcomer (Member # 1056) on :
The other side to this argument is that as Egypt is a poor country with a government that doesn't provide decent standards of education for its own people, that the majority of Egyptians are quadruply disadvantaged: they can't get a good education in their own country; they can't afford to pay for private education or go overseas; there is very high unemployment in the country; and then foreigners who are better qualified, or if not they are seen to give more status to a business than they do, come in and take their jobs.
Can you now see where 7ayat's comment is coming from? Yes, it's not a fair world, but doing something just because you can, without considering the moral aspect of what you are doing, is a fairly narrow way of thinking.
Posted by newcomer (Member # 1056) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mimmi: If the country does not want any foreigners to come to work there they should than make it imposible to get a work and residence permit.
That comment assumes that a government cares about its own people and makes their needs a priority.
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
quote:Originally posted by imagine:
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: why are so many expats working in egyptian resorts? why don't you leave those jobs for the egyptians?
Are u kidding??? The forrigners in egypt (such as myself) apply for a job on equal terms as egyptians.. if they pick me because i am better qualified, is that taking the job away from an egyptian person?? i dont think so...
futhermore (as mentioned before) thousands of forrigners work abroad (in denmark too).. But i dont think they are taking any job from me. The job should go to the person most qualifed for the position...
firstly they don't pick you because they are better qualified, they pick you because you are a foreigner. ever heard of "3od2et el khawaga"
secondly, egypt is not denmark. egypt is a third world country that has 9 million unemployed people who can really benefit from the jobs that are swallowed up by foreigner again because of "3od2et el khawaga"
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mimmi:
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: why are so many expats working in egyptian resorts? why don't you leave those jobs for the egyptians?
These girls putting up an own business they employ the locals. They can also be good role models for young egyptian girls, show them that girls can also put up some own business.
egyptian women don't need westerners to show them that they can have their own business. there are loads of egyptian ladies who have their business already. i think it was very arrogant of you to make such a statement
Posted by Mimmi (Member # 3606) on :
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: [ secondly, egypt is not denmark. egypt is a third world country that has 9 million unemployed people who can really benefit from the jobs that are swallowed up by foreigner again because of "3od2et el khawaga" [/QB]
So why is it than possible for a forigner to get work in Egypt. Why does the government not do anything about it and why do the companies employ the forigners? I think you should do something about that. But still the 2 girls they will be giving work to egyptians also.
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
Can you now see where 7ayat's comment is coming from? Yes, it's not a fair world, but doing something just because you can, without considering the moral aspect of what you are doing, is a fairly narrow way of thinking. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I do see 7ayat´s point.. deffinately... but understand this.. most forrigners who whish to settle down in egypt need work too.. not all europeans are loaded with cash, and most need work to pay for ex. the rent.
Should these people not apply for a good job, because they feel an egyptian person should get it? i wouldnt, and i dont know anyone who would. In a country like Egypt where life is hard and the economy bad, you has to look out for youreself and the people you love.. even though you want to help everyone its just not possible.. not if u want a good life yourself
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
[/qb][/QUOTE]firstly they don't pick you because they are better qualified, they pick you because you are a foreigner. ever heard of "3od2et el khawaga"
secondly, egypt is not denmark. egypt is a third world country that has 9 million unemployed people who can really benefit from the jobs that are swallowed up by foreigner again because of "3od2et el khawaga" [/QB][/QUOTE]
No i have never heard of "3od2et el khawaga" so please explaine yourself... The job i got in advertising i got because i had the education to do the job, furthermore i can talk to the clients of the company in swedish, danish, english and german... you sure they didnt hire me cause i was the most qualified for the job??? The job i got was applied by bough forrigners and egyptians.. hmmmmm
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
but Imagine, if your government, unlike the egyptian government, takes care of you and gives you all you need, why would you move to egypt. if egypt is a country where "life is hard, and the economy is bad" then why do you come to settle?. i mean life is hard as you say, why don't you leave the remaining jobs for the locals so that they can survive? at least you have a choice to go home if you want, they don't, their only option is egypt. they NEED those jobs.
you know the last time i was in sharm, the receptionist at the hotel i was staying in was polish. and i was thinking my god, what can this woman do that an egyptian wouldn't be able to? why should she take a job, and not an egyptian?
many egyptians think of tourist towns as a haven for jobs. but sadly, they are all gulped down by expats.
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
quote:Originally posted by imagine:
firstly they don't pick you because they are better qualified, they pick you because you are a foreigner. ever heard of "3od2et el khawaga"
secondly, egypt is not denmark. egypt is a third world country that has 9 million unemployed people who can really benefit from the jobs that are swallowed up by foreigner again because of "3od2et el khawaga" [/QB][/QUOTE]
No i have never heard of "3od2et el khawaga" so please explaine yourself... The job i got in advertising i got because i had the education to do the job, furthermore i can talk to the clients of the company in swedish, danish, english and german... you sure they didnt hire me cause i was the most qualified for the job??? The job i got was applied by bough forrigners and egyptians.. hmmmmm [/QB][/QUOTE]
"3od2et el khawaga" means the "foreigners complex" it's the egyptian obsession with anything that is foregin. if you bring two red shirts, if the exact the same quality. one of them is egyptian and the other is western, and you ask any egyptian which is better, they will tell you the western. that's 3od2et el khawaga.
Imagine, every time i visit a tourist town in egypt, im amazed how multi lingual the people there are. most of them speak at least three languages. the last time i visited, out tour guide spoke five languages, english, arabic, russian, german and french. so yes i think many egyptians could do your job easily. i'm sorry i don't mean to offend you. but i'm really upset because my people are not getting the jobs they deserve in their OWN country
Posted by Mimmi (Member # 3606) on :
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: but Imagine, if your government, unlike the egyptian government, takes care of you and gives you all you need, why would you move to egypt. if egypt is a country where "life is hard, and the economy is bad" then why do you come to settle?. i mean life is hard as you say, why don't you leave the remaining jobs for the locals so that they can survive? at least you have a choice to go home if you want, they don't, their only option is egypt. they NEED those jobs.
you know the last time i was in sharm, the receptionist at the hotel i was staying in was polish. and i was thinking my god, what can this woman do that an egyptian wouldn't be able to? why should she take a job, and not an egyptian?
many egyptians think of tourist towns as a haven for jobs. but sadly, they are all gulped down by expats.
7ayat , I agree that that is wrong in a way, but whos fault is it, it is not the fault of the polish girl, it is the fault of your government and the company who employs them. I would prefere to be served in Egypt by and Egyptian insread of a polish girl. I went on holiday to Greece to a very small island and there at the hotels and restaurants many Russians were working and it really annoyed me,A small island with 6000 inhabitants in the capital only 1.500 inhabitants and russians working at restaurants and hotels(I don't know why) Also there were living and working about 100 egyptians. The world is changing a lot people move from a country to an other more and more and I don't think it can be stopped. The world is getting smaller and smaller You live in Australia youself. As long as you can support yourself and not benefit from others I think that that is the most important. But really egyptian government should make it more difficult for foriegners to be able to work in Egypt and also the companies should change their policy, don't you think.
Posted by newcomer (Member # 1056) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mimmi: But really egyptian government should make it more difficult for foriegners to be able to work in Egypt and also the companies should change their policy, don't you think.
I agree and so do most of the Egyptians, unless they are taking advantage of the lax labour laws for their own benefit. But just because the Egptian government doesn't care about their own people, does that make it right for you not to?
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: but Imagine, if your government, unlike the egyptian government, takes care of you and gives you all you need, why would you move to egypt. if egypt is a country where "life is hard, and the economy is bad" then why do you come to settle?. i mean life is hard as you say, why don't you leave the remaining jobs for the locals so that they can survive? at least you have a choice to go home if you want, they don't, their only option is egypt. they NEED those jobs.
you know the last time i was in sharm, the receptionist at the hotel i was staying in was polish. and i was thinking my god, what can this woman do that an egyptian wouldn't be able to? why should she take a job, and not an egyptian?
many egyptians think of tourist towns as a haven for jobs. but sadly, they are all gulped down by expats.
I dont come to egypt to be rich... not at all.. i come to egypt because the culture is so different from western culture (and i do mean in a good way).. I feel like i am myself in egypt and everytime i go there i feel like i am home.. do u understand???
yes i do know that many egyptians in tourist places speak many languages.. and they are qualified to do the job such as mine.. the difference is (maybe because i have the education) i had the guts to apply for the job.. and i got it.. only 2 egyptian people applied for it.. lucky for me none of them were more qualified than me (and im not saying that no egyptian is.. im sure alot of egyptian people are qualified for jobs like mine, but if they dont apply for it ofcourse someone else will have it.. egyptian or european)
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
[/qb][/QUOTE]7ayat , I agree that that is wrong in a way, but whos fault is it, it is not the fault of the polish girl, it is the fault of your government and the company who employs them. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Its deffinately not the polish girls fault... but trust me everyone.. i do understand why egyptians get frustrated when they see another european person working in a good job a egyptian unemployed could have had...
for me it seems like the gouverment in egypt dosent care about its people.. when i am in egypt, everyday i see how many of my friends (egyptians) are struggeling to make a better life for themselves and find a or better job.. its not easy....
but who will change the situation??
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
look mimi and imagine, really i'm not trying to offend you. and it's obvious that both of you are aware that the egyptian government doesn't care about it's people.
but as newcomer said, does that mean that it's ok for you to not care either?
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: look mimi and imagine, really i'm not trying to offend you. and it's obvious that both of you are aware that the egyptian government doesn't care about it's people.
but as newcomer said, does that mean that it's ok for you to not care either?
You didnt offend me.. uptil now that is.. What makes you think that just because i take a job in egypt i dont care about the egyptian people?? I am moving because i love being in the country, the atmosphere and the people.. but i have to support myself aswell.. u make it sound like i am a bad person who dosent give a **** about anyone else just for taking a job.. excuse me.. if i didnt take the job and another european got it who is the fool then?? Alot of egyptians, and most people in general, think about themselves and the ones they love before they think about everyone else... i am no different!!!
Does this make me a bad person?? u might think so, but then i have to tell u that u are wrong.. i do care, but i cant fix the world.. can u??
Posted by newcomer (Member # 1056) on :
quote:Originally posted by imagine: i do care, but i cant fix the world.. can u??
No you can't fix the world, but you can look at the consequences of your own actions on other people. And you can try to make sure that when you go into a bad situation that you don't make it worse...and that instead you add something to it.
Posted by Mimmi (Member # 3606) on :
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: look mimi and imagine, really i'm not trying to offend you. and it's obvious that both of you are aware that the egyptian government doesn't care about it's people.
but as newcomer said, does that mean that it's ok for you to not care either?
We care and we love Egypt. But we can not change the egyptian government If I would move to Egypt because I happen to love my egyptian husband I would perhaps need a job(don't be afraid I will not move there) My husband moved to Finland and I made sure before he came that he had a job so that he would not be one of those living on our benefits and not introgate to the society at all. Now he is working going to language classes playing football in a local team, sending a small amount of money to his family éach month. So we are improving egyptian economy. And really if my husband would not have had the job when coming here I am sure we would not be together anymore it would not have worked for us. Him not doing anything day in and day out we would have lost respect for eachother But reallly the governmentin Egypt should change a lot and do somtehing for it's people. And I love and respect the egyptian people and the culture and traditions,but there are things that could be improved even in Egypt.
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
quote:Originally posted by newcomer:
quote:Originally posted by imagine: i do care, but i cant fix the world.. can u??
No you can't fix the world, but you can look at the consequences of your own actions on other people. And you can try to make sure that when you go into a bad situation that you don't make it worse...and that instead you add something to it.
And how would you like me to add something to it newcome?? answer me this??
Im sorry but we dont share the same opinion.. i think that diversity creates atmosphere. Should us forrigners just stay away from egypt?? before u answer yes to this, keep in mind that many forrigners (as these 2 swedish girls) actually creates jobs for egyptian people by opening new companies!!!!
Posted by newcomer (Member # 1056) on :
I have never said that I don't think that diversity is a good thing, although now you bring it up, I think any added diversity should be to the benefit of a country, and not to its disadvantage or harm.
And what would I like you to do? I would like you to look at Egypt and what areas it needs to improve its situation economically, socially, politically, etc., and then for you to look at your skills/abilities/positive qualities, and if think that you can really do something to contribute to it, then by all means come.
If you are just coming for your own benefit, but it will cause problems/difficulties for other people then perhaps you should reconsider.
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
lol.. hmmm ok...
may i ask what u have done recently?? Ofcourse i would like to improve conditions in egypt and for the people in egypt and for the ones i love, but 1 person can only do so much... sometimes things has to be changed from the inside.. If the gouverment dosent care, how can i change anything even though i would like to??
Ofcourse i am coming for my own benifit and for those i care about, who want me near them.. most people who move abroad do so for that reason.. and to live the life they want to.
Posted by newcomer (Member # 1056) on :
Well, I would be pretty much of a hypocrite if I didn't practice what I preach, but let's leave it at this and say that I do live by my own principles.
And yes, one person can only do so much, but if every individual tries to do the little bit that they can, then that will mount up to being a whole lot of little bits!
And it's easy to sit back and say, well if the government doesn't why should I, but that is a cop out, and it means that the situation will be made even worse by your presence. You will just be contributing to the problems. What's the saying? If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem!
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
one person can do alot ya imagine
Posted by DamselInDistress (Member # 7061) on :
I know I will get canned for this, but a lot of times the foreigners get the jobs because they can do the work.
I know a lot of Egyptian business people that have sold up and moved overseas because doing business here has driven them nuts and lost them a lot of money. They can't find professional, staff and can't find professional, honest companies and suppliers to deal with.
You place an order for something and need it within a certain time. Very rarely will you end up with what you ordered and it is always late. An online content editor I know had a 2 month deadline on a project and because of the staff working for her, it took 12 months. Important deadlines come and go and a smiling face tells you bukkarah insha'allah. That is no way to do business if you want to stay in business.
The Egyptian government has a lot to answer for when it comes to unemployment but it also has a huge problem with education.
Posted by charm el feikh? (Member # 10243) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fleur: any wealthy country, most immigrants don’t take the job away they just do the job that national people do not want to do meanwhile they are blaming for stealing all those jobs
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Posted by charm el feikh? (Member # 10243) on :
quote:Originally posted by newcomer:
quote:Originally posted by Mimmi: But really egyptian government should make it more difficult for foriegners to be able to work in Egypt and also the companies should change their policy, don't you think.
I agree and so do most of the Egyptians, unless they are taking advantage of the lax labour laws for their own benefit. But just because the Egptian government doesn't care about their own people, does that make it right for you not to?
replace the word egyptian with the word british and you could be me.
Posted by charm el feikh? (Member # 10243) on :
quote:Originally posted by imagine: Of course i am coming for my own benefit and for those i care about, who want me near them.. most people who move abroad do so for that reason.. and to live the life they want to.
exactly.
i would be coming to egypt for my own gains. financial. childrens safety. weather. etc.
but primarily because immigrants are raping the fuckin system here...
shitt... my bloke was battered half to death by black men... who are now claiming racial harassment.. AND GETTING A FREEEEEE COUNCIL HOUSE OUT OF IT!!!!!
yeah baby... move to britain... try to kill a white man... and you win £350,000!!!!!!
my house goes on the market next week... i WONT be re locating in london. chances are i'll be the next immigrant stealing some locals job...
WHAT ALTERNATIVE AM I BEING LEFT WITH???????
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
quote:Originally posted by DamselInDistress: I know I will get canned for this, but a lot of times the foreigners get the jobs because they can do the work.
I know a lot of Egyptian business people that have sold up and moved overseas because doing business here has driven them nuts and lost them a lot of money. They can't find professional, staff and can't find professional, honest companies and suppliers to deal with.
You place an order for something and need it within a certain time. Very rarely will you end up with what you ordered and it is always late. An online content editor I know had a 2 month deadline on a project and because of the staff working for her, it took 12 months. Important deadlines come and go and a smiling face tells you bukkarah insha'allah. That is no way to do business if you want to stay in business.
The Egyptian government has a lot to answer for when it comes to unemployment but it also has a huge problem with education.
maybe this is somewhat true with merchants, and tradesmen. but still why can't an egyptian receptionist do the same job as a polish one. why can't an egyptian restaraunt do as well as a swedish one? plus where i worked we had both egyptians and foreigners and believe me both worked hard. so it's not ok to generalize like that. still, this is not a reason for people to come and take jobs away from the egyptians
Posted by Samia (Member # 4691) on :
Posted by Samia (Member # 4691) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samia:
quote:Originally posted by Queen of plans: 2 Smiley and very serviceminded swedish girls will be in charge of Café Del Mar- Hurghada-Sekalla from 1 of september. We will serve breakfasts, delicious salads, yammi sandwishes, pastas, BBQ, fish, pizzas and more.... Welcome!
This sounds like good news, girls.... does it mean the horrible big arrogant German guy with the attitude problem is no longer in charge.... or will you just be working for him??? If you're working for him.... good luck... you'll need it!!!
Posted by Reinhyenated (Member # 8356) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samia: horrible big arrogant German guy with the attitude problem
Posted by ispy (Member # 5871) on :
quote:Originally posted by newcomer:
quote:Originally posted by imagine: i do care, but i cant fix the world.. can u??
No you can't fix the world, but you can look at the consequences of your own actions on other people. And you can try to make sure that when you go into a bad situation that you don't make it worse...and that instead you add something to it.
You work in egypt to Posted by sara_uk (Member # 11454) on :
Hi all
I love Egypt and love to go live there, iam very qualified to get job there and not catering but jobs in my field but I will not do that because I don’t want to be responsible for taking jobs from an Egyptian who need it more than I do. Yes there is a lot of Egyptian in the west taking jobs but it is different storey, in the west you can work and if you can not find a job you can get benefit in Egypt you just starve. Comone people have you not seen those starving people. The poor kid’s do you just blind fold your eyes and give justification to yourself to feel good. Comparing Egypt to the west is like comparing apple to an orange, you know it is not fair to take jobs from this poor country and you know the government does not care. I saw so many Egyptian that touch my hearts and the only time I will go live there when I save good money to open a business and provide jobs for the locals. I saw a guy selling souvenir and he spoke 5 languages and he can not write or read he never went to school, now does his talents get appreciated ??of course not. I know we can not change the world but if everyone do their bit, the world might be a better place to live in, if we think of others first.
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
sara-uk, you're an amazing woman i really appreciate what you wrote above
Posted by micky azzam (Member # 11209) on :
sara-uk you are sooooooooo right thanks for that comment about thinking of others we seem to forget how fortune we are just to be alive and well
Posted by sara_uk (Member # 11454) on :
7ayat and micky
you both welcome,i have seen so many talents in egypt shame it does not get appreicated. I am lucky to be British, i can go live anywhere in the world and change my sistution for the better if things not that good but not many egyptain can do that.
Posted by micky azzam (Member # 11209) on :
AND I AM LUCKY TO BE AN AMERICAN BUT MY FIRST LOVE IS EGYPT WITH MY HUSBAND AND HELPING OUT HIS FAMILY
Posted by Queen of plans (Member # 10629) on :
Hi everybody,
We will have local stuff, and they will be payed and have more benefits than others who works in restaurant I heard of. I dont feel like I have to defense my self here, we have created work for at least 5 persons + a lawyer and an account. I know we are lucky people who always have a choice, to change our situations compared to many other people- like some of the egyptians.
Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
i think u girls are doing a great thing... u do your thing and trust your instincts
Posted by micky azzam (Member # 11209) on :
i will come see you when i get to hurghada i am flying into egypt sept3 and will probably visit the restuant sept5. cant wait to meet you 2
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Vad kul att du har fått jobb på en reklambyrå! Lönerna är ju inte direkt vad vi är vana vid, men å andra sidan så är det väldigt mycket billigare att leva där. Vi är fortfarande i Sverige, åker den 29 augusti. Har tillbringat mkt tid i Hurghada och jobbat med att få allting klart med restaurangen! Det skall bli så kul att äntligen få sätta i gång på riktigt...![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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