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Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
dahikat and tadhaku.

Why are they similar and why are they used interchangeably?

Got any answers?
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
dahikat and tadhaku.

Why are they similar and why are they used interchangeably?

Got any answers?

They're not Genius [Eek!] [Big Grin] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
dahikat and tadhaku.

Why are they similar and why are they used interchangeably?

Got any answers?

They're not Genius [Eek!] [Big Grin] [Eek!] [Eek!]
I know, being an evil foreigner I am reading an article on these two verbs and consequential effects on culture, let alone history.

Just want a heap of responses.

Alot of cultural mores are due to language.
 
Posted by citizen (Member # 1344) on :
 
same verb, different tense
 
Posted by The Only Brazilian Pharaoh (Member # 11919) on :
 
So the ignorant started to learn..
won`t work...fish face..
an ignorant will remain an ignorant..
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Only Brazilian Pharaoh:
So the ignorant started to learn..
won`t work...fish face..
an ignorant will remain an ignorant..

Still not getting any at home are you?
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by The Only Brazilian Pharaoh:
So the ignorant started to learn..
won`t work...fish face..
an ignorant will remain an ignorant..

Still not getting any at home are you?
According to your own statement yesterday, you're the one not getting any for a looooooooooong time [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by The Only Brazilian Pharaoh:
So the ignorant started to learn..
won`t work...fish face..
an ignorant will remain an ignorant..

Still not getting any at home are you?
According to your own statement yesterday, you're the one not getting any for a looooooooooong time [Big Grin]
Its different for women, we accept it as reality.

Men turn it out as a war against women in general.

Which might explain why the Arabi verbs above have such a history. [Wink]
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by The Only Brazilian Pharaoh:
So the ignorant started to learn..
won`t work...fish face..
an ignorant will remain an ignorant..

Still not getting any at home are you?
According to your own statement yesterday, you're the one not getting any for a looooooooooong time [Big Grin]
Its different for women, we accept it as reality.

Men turn it out as a war against women in general.

Which might explain why the Arabi verbs above have such a history. [Wink]

So, what r u wearing tonight ????


For Halloween I mean? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Only Brazilian Pharaoh (Member # 11919) on :
 
i get at home what you need to spend your misrable life time draem of..
by the way...having a home is a bless..
ya shawar3ya..
get a life..
or in another thought...don`t..
you`ll die while trying to..
 
Posted by The Only Brazilian Pharaoh (Member # 11919) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by The Only Brazilian Pharaoh:
So the ignorant started to learn..
won`t work...fish face..
an ignorant will remain an ignorant..

Still not getting any at home are you?
According to your own statement yesterday, you're the one not getting any for a looooooooooong time [Big Grin]
Its different for women, we accept it as reality.

Men turn it out as a war against women in general.

Which might explain why the Arabi verbs above have such a history. [Wink]

So, what r u wearing tonight ????


For Halloween I mean? [Big Grin]

akeed labsa 7`eyara...
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Only Brazilian Pharaoh:
akeed labsa 7`eyara... [/QB]

[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
After all, you should have your vegetables
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
So, what r u wearing tonight ????


For Halloween I mean? [Big Grin]

Haven't done Halloween since grade school.

During confirmation Halloween turned into "Saints Day" which is tomorrow. Probably wont do a church service, but will end up at mother's house waiting for new washer and dryer to show up.

Tonight means homework and washing windows.

My father was a strict Lutheran so as a part of adolescence I gave up alot of different things other juveniles did to make daddy happy.

Besides, I might be divorced, but the downtown vangaurd of Muslim taxi drivers that won't serve passengers carrying liquor, will probably take notice of me if I dare to leave the apartment tonight.

Talk always gets around.
 
Posted by Sadeeqy (Member # 9759) on :
 
To laugh (poetic) or to menstruate (Qur'anic )... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
To laugh (poetic) or to menstruate (Qur'anic )... [Roll Eyes]

Kinda funny that it ended up that way!
 
Posted by Sadeeqy (Member # 9759) on :
 
Always a pleasure, Sono... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
Always a pleasure, Sono... [Big Grin]

Its strange how a woman's laughter can be such a turn on for men, but with how similar the words are I suppose its hard to be sexual uninhibited with a laughing woman.

Or how religious nutbags stomp on poetry the way they do. No wonder!
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
To laugh (poetic) or to menstruate (Qur'anic )... [Roll Eyes]

Wowwwwwwwwww. Of the thousands of verbs out there, Sono picks up this [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
Sono, you're obsesssssssssssssssssssssssed [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Sadeeqy (Member # 9759) on :
 
It depends on what her laughter is about, i think... [Wink]
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
It depends on what her laughter is about, i think... [Wink]

[Wink] [Wink]
 
Posted by Sadeeqy (Member # 9759) on :
 
I guess you didn't read the History of Religions... [Roll Eyes]


Sarah and the Hyena: Laughter, Menstruation, and the Genesis of a Double Entendre (Suzanne Pinckney Stetkevych - History of Religions, Vol. 36, No. 1, pp. 13-41

And here we go...
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
I guess you didn't read the History of Religions... [Roll Eyes]


Sarah and the Hyena: Laughter, Menstruation, and the Genesis of a Double Entendre (Suzanne Pinckney Stetkevych - History of Religions, Vol. 36, No. 1, pp. 13-41

And here we go...

What the hell I am reading that article now. Just downloaded it this afternoon. Not past the second page though, I am losing daylight hour
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
I guess you didn't read the History of Religions... [Roll Eyes]


Sarah and the Hyena: Laughter, Menstruation, and the Genesis of a Double Entendre (Suzanne Pinckney Stetkevych - History of Religions, Vol. 36, No. 1, pp. 13-41

And here we go...

[Wink]
 
Posted by Auto Matic For The People (Member # 10849) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
dahikat and tadhaku.

Why are they similar and why are they used interchangeably?

Got any answers?

dahikat = laughed for female
dahak = laughed for male


tadhaku = laugh for female
yadhaku = laugh for male

Unless you want to speak fuس7a you you should drop the the u so that they become tadhak and yadhak
 
Posted by Auto Matic For The People (Member # 10849) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
to menstruate (Qur'anic )... [Roll Eyes]

Where did you get that from?
 
Posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT (Member # 11953) on :
 
Auto, you're right but I wanted to add the tense of these verbs

Tadhaku (present tense) = SHE IS laughING
Yahhaku (present tense) = HE IS laughING

Dahikat (past tense) = SHE laughED
Dahak (past tense) = HE laughED
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
dahikat and tadhaku.

Why are they similar and why are they used interchangeably?

Got any answers?

dahikat = laughed for female
dahak = laughed for male


tadhaku = laugh for female
yadhaku = laugh for male

Unless you want to speak fuس7a you you should drop the the u so that they become tadhak and yadhak

After reading a number of poetry, Arabi and specifically persian with highlighted reference to Arabi words and phrases I have seen this resemblance being flouted more than once.

Possibly drawing on the fact that alot of misgony is rooted in Judiasm and should be gutted out. But still it lingers over the centuries.

Even in the different judicial Sharia school's volumous reinterpretation of Prophet tradition.

Read the article.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT:
Auto, you're right but I wanted to add the tense of these verbs

Tadhaku (present tense) = SHE IS laughING
Yahhaku (present tense) = HE IS laughING

Dahikat (past tense) = SHE laughED
Dahak (past tense) = HE laughED

But this is written Arabi not spoken. And what was Arabi or more appropriately Aramaic is entirely different.

Read the article. Its good. and the referenced articles/books looks like they'll be added to my reading list.
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT:
Auto, you're right but I wanted to add the tense of these verbs


Yahhaku (present tense) = HE IS laughING


Wroooooooooooooongggggggg!
Yahhaku (present tense) = Rubbing against each other exotically [Big Grin]
 
Posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT (Member # 11953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT:
Auto, you're right but I wanted to add the tense of these verbs

Tadhaku (present tense) = SHE IS laughING
Yahhaku (present tense) = HE IS laughING

Dahikat (past tense) = SHE laughED
Dahak (past tense) = HE laughED

But this is written Arabi not spoken. And what was Arabi or more appropriately Aramaic is entirely different.

Read the article. Its good. and the referenced articles/books looks like they'll be added to my reading list.

Oh is this from the quran? Sorry my head is like a vegetable now......... I just came back from a meeting that took 4 hours
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT:
Auto, you're right but I wanted to add the tense of these verbs

Tadhaku (present tense) = SHE IS laughING
Yahhaku (present tense) = HE IS laughING

Dahikat (past tense) = SHE laughED
Dahak (past tense) = HE laughED

But this is written Arabi not spoken. And what was Arabi or more appropriately Aramaic is entirely different.

Read the article. Its good. and the referenced articles/books looks like they'll be added to my reading list.

Oh is this from the quran? Sorry my head is like a vegetable now......... I just came back from a meeting that took 4 hours
No its from the Torah, Quran and the Bible.

But due to the fact that the Torah is in Hebrew, the bible I read is in English alot of linguistic history is lost.

But when you see the history of Sarah's late conception of Isaac then add in the actual words in Aramaic and Arabi then you'll see how often this "pun" is inflicted on religious law, in addition to love poetry.

I'd like someday to read "Song of Solomon" in Arabi and have the Aramaic text next to it.

I love "Song of Solomon" because it allows my personal rapture hell to calm without boatloads of guilt.

Somewhere in our shared Prophet history you can find damnation or you can find abulsolution. Too bad different scripture law giving has been interpreted with a rather rough hand. Poetry is a redeming value to lighten this.
 
Posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT (Member # 11953) on :
 
So none of these interpretations by Auto or Sadeeqy or me were right?

Aramic is very difficult......... Isnt the quran a mix of Aramic & Arabic? that's why it's difficult to interpret the words causing all such conflicts?

Oh I never read poetry......... I'm bad
 
Posted by Auto Matic For The People (Member # 10849) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
dahikat and tadhaku.

Why are they similar and why are they used interchangeably?

Got any answers?

dahikat = laughed for female
dahak = laughed for male


tadhaku = laugh for female
yadhaku = laugh for male

Unless you want to speak fuس7a you you should drop the the u so that they become tadhak and yadhak

After reading a number of poetry, Arabi and specifically persian with highlighted reference to Arabi words and phrases I have seen this resemblance being flouted more than once.

Possibly drawing on the fact that alot of misgony is rooted in Judiasm and should be gutted out. But still it lingers over the centuries.

Even in the different judicial Sharia school's volumous reinterpretation of Prophet tradition.

Read the article.

One of these days...I'm going to cut you into litle pieces.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT:
So none of these interpretations by Auto or Sadeeqy or me were right?

Aramic is very difficult......... Isnt the quran a mix of Aramic & Arabic? that's why it's difficult to interpret the words causing all such conflicts?

Oh I never read poetry......... I'm bad

NO the Quran is pure Arabi. There are three forms of Arabi; Quranic (Purist), Standard and colleiqual (sp?) so there is no possible way pun derives from the Quran.

Aramaic has been established as the "oral tradition" of Judaism and Jewish canon.

Early scriptures were written in Aramaic.

But this is where the pun is used alot.

A number of administrators, Vizors, and basic scholars to different Caliphs were of recent Jewish heritage or Jews themselves. So when the Caliphs or high Imams were developing Juriprudence, alot of Judaism and Jewish cultural beliefs reflect into the how Islamic law was applied during the ages.

After dusk Caliphs would often indulge in wine, song, dance and poetry. A number of poets, songstresses and entertainers were of Jewish origin. This is where poetry indulges in references between women nature and linguistic puns.

Keep in mind Zoasterism is heavily influenced by Judaism and vice versa. Persians moved from Zoasterism to Islam, retaining Jews as their literati and government officials.

So no its not considered purely from Islam. But over the ages when you have taken the time to read of the Caliphate eras, most noteably the Abassids you'll see it.

I love history. Somehow most of my life I haven't taken an interest in Middle East history. Good Lord was I missing alot.

I am listening to "Whose Bible is it?" by Jaroslav Pelikan. Its really good and covers alot of the carry over of Judaism and Islam left out of the Politics in regard to how the Bible came to be what it is today. Greeks obviously stamped out the Middle Eastern culture, linguistics and politic structure out of the Bible in near completeness.

Now I am very eager to see a Copt Bible.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
dahikat and tadhaku.

Why are they similar and why are they used interchangeably?

Got any answers?

dahikat = laughed for female
dahak = laughed for male


tadhaku = laugh for female
yadhaku = laugh for male

Unless you want to speak fuس7a you you should drop the the u so that they become tadhak and yadhak

After reading a number of poetry, Arabi and specifically persian with highlighted reference to Arabi words and phrases I have seen this resemblance being flouted more than once.

Possibly drawing on the fact that alot of misgony is rooted in Judiasm and should be gutted out. But still it lingers over the centuries.

Even in the different judicial Sharia school's volumous reinterpretation of Prophet tradition.

Read the article.

One of these days...I'm going to cut you into litle pieces.
Oh Auto, you bring me to climax. You, me and R.Waters [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:


Now I am very eager to see a Copt Bible.

Read of the Naga3 Hamadi papyrus and the Bible of Judas. All Coptic scriptures that were found within the past few decades and shed a completely different light on Christianity. They were banned early on by the church, buried and recently found. The bible of Judas and the bible of Mary are a complete detour from the main christian line.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:


Now I am very eager to see a Copt Bible.

Read of the Naga3 Hamadi papyrus and the Bible of Judas. All Coptic scriptures that were found within the past few decades and shed a completely different light on Christianity. They were banned early on by the church, buried and recently found. The bible of Judas and the bible of Mary are a complete detour from the main christian line.
I've heard of them. But I feel a little uncomfortable with their authenticity.

www.sacredtext.com

This is a good example of loads of so called "scripture" that has been debunked.

Too bad Augustine's City of God was debunked in time.
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:


Early scriptures were written in Aramaic.


The Ten Commandments were written in Hieroglyphs (Ancient Egyptian) as it was the only language Moses knew of.
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:


Now I am very eager to see a Copt Bible.

Read of the Naga3 Hamadi papyrus and the Bible of Judas. All Coptic scriptures that were found within the past few decades and shed a completely different light on Christianity. They were banned early on by the church, buried and recently found. The bible of Judas and the bible of Mary are a complete detour from the main christian line.
I've heard of them. But I feel a little uncomfortable with their authenticity.

www.sacredtext.com

This is a good example of loads of so called "scripture" that has been debunked.

Too bad Augustine's City of God was debunked in time.

They couldn't. As there are references to them in official church history books and of them being banned.
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:

I've heard of them. But I feel a little uncomfortable with their authenticity.


Authenticity is a moot point here as it has never been relevant in absolute terms in case of the bible.
Meaning, the bible is a bunch of stories by story tellers without an original manuscript. Not a single bible is authenticated to the supposedly original author.
On a different note, the fact that it's a document authored by a human and being circulated as the word of God makes any talk of authenticity a laughing joke.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:


Early scriptures were written in Aramaic.


The Ten Commandments were written in Hieroglyphs (Ancient Egyptian) as it was the only language Moses knew of.
You must be joking. That isn't what I have been told, or have read, but at the same time I am not taking the time to dig out the materials detailing the academic background of Moses. He was raised by a daughter of the Pharoah, as a royal adoptee he was exposed to a number of academic disciplines.

There are hieroglyphs for tombs then there is a scribe script that was used for official documentation.
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:


Early scriptures were written in Aramaic.


The Ten Commandments were written in Hieroglyphs (Ancient Egyptian) as it was the only language Moses knew of.
You must be joking. That isn't what I have been told, or have read, but at the same time I am not taking the time to dig out the materials detailing the academic background of Moses. He was raised by a daughter of the Pharoah, as a royal adoptee he was exposed to a number of academic disciplines.

There are hieroglyphs for tombs then there is a scribe script that was used for official documentation.

scribe script doesn't differ in vocabulary or semantics from hieroglyphs. It's just a notation for ease of use. Sort of similar to what is being used in court in the present times.

There are whole psalms in the Torah that are copies line by line from ancient Egyptian myths inscribed on tomb walls. Mostly from Ikhnaton time as he was the first to introduce the monolithic belief.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:

I've heard of them. But I feel a little uncomfortable with their authenticity.


Authenticity is a moot point here as it has never been relevant in absolute terms in case of the bible.
Meaning, the bible is a bunch of stories by story tellers without an original manuscript. Not a single bible is authenticated to the supposedly original author.
On a different note, the fact that it's a document authored by a human and being circulated as the word of God makes any talk of authenticity a laughing joke.

hmm I remember the Final Prophet (PBUH) refering the the three books of God as sacred and deserving respect.

I prefer not to practice blasphemy. The system of chosing which text to include in the Bible is similar to the process used to organize the Quran.

I went over that authenication of Hadiths and Surah with Batty in another thread.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:


There are whole psalms in the Torah that are copies line by line from ancient Egyptian myths inscribed on tomb walls.

(Smacking my head here with hands)

There are no Psalms in the Torah. Pslams are a chapter in the Bible with are a collection of sayings Jesus required us to learn, parables & wisdom or clarifications of which Tulmad law to strike from our practices.
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:

I've heard of them. But I feel a little uncomfortable with their authenticity.


Authenticity is a moot point here as it has never been relevant in absolute terms in case of the bible.
Meaning, the bible is a bunch of stories by story tellers without an original manuscript. Not a single bible is authenticated to the supposedly original author.
On a different note, the fact that it's a document authored by a human and being circulated as the word of God makes any talk of authenticity a laughing joke.

hmm I remember the Final Prophet (PBUH) refering the the three books of God as sacred and deserving respect.

I prefer not to practice blasphemy. The system of chosing which text to include in the Bible is similar to the process used to organize the Quran.

I went over that authenication of Hadiths and Surah with Batty in another thread.

The authentication of Quran is not an issue and never been. That can not be said for hadith. The authentication method used was only with relevance to sources. No critical analysis of the text was taken. Thus we ended up with some peculiar hadiths being considered authentic.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
I've heard of them. But I feel a little uncomfortable with their authenticity.

www.sacredtext.com

This is a good example of loads of so called "scripture" that has been debunked.

Too bad Augustine's City of God was debunked in time.

They couldn't. As there are references to them in official church history books and of them being banned. [/QB][/QUOTE]

And you are considering there is only one official church?

Copt, Orthodox, Agnostic, and Catholic officialdom chose to reject certain texts on their own accord.

Later on Protestants in the north collected these texts to clarify translations to codify their own Bible. Hence, the King James Version which closely relates to the early Aramaic text of the Bible (as much of the Aramaic texts that were available at the time).

Why the meaning behind the Bible scriptures gets lost is due to western ignorance of the culture in which the Prophets lived in. Because of that ignorance we cannot properly relate to the Bible as we need to which is why the translations scrambled the meaning of the original Biblical texts.
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
I've heard of them. But I feel a little uncomfortable with their authenticity.

www.sacredtext.com

This is a good example of loads of so called "scripture" that has been debunked.

Too bad Augustine's City of God was debunked in time.

They couldn't. As there are references to them in official church history books and of them being banned.
And you are considering there is only one official church?

Copt, Orthodox, Agnostic, and Catholic officialdom chose to reject certain texts on their own accord.

Later on Protestants in the north collected these texts to clarify translations to codify their own Bible. Hence, the King James Version which closely relates to the early Aramaic text of the Bible (as much of the Aramaic texts that were available at the time).

Why the meaning behind the Bible scriptures gets lost is due to western ignorance of the culture in which the Prophets lived in. Because of that ignorance we cannot properly relate to the Bible as we need to which is why the translations scrambled the meaning of the original Biblical texts. [/QB][/QUOTE]

It's not a matter of translation alone. Whole passages and sections are being omitted between different versions (not bibles, versions of the same bible).
I never really thought much of the bible (albeit I've read it) cause of this particular fact. I'm not reading the word of God edited by several groups of humans over the past 2000 years.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
The authentication of Quran is not an issue and never been. That can not be said for hadith. The authentication method used was only with relevance to sources. No critical analysis of the text was taken. Thus we ended up with some peculiar hadiths being considered authentic.

You hide behind the fact the Quran has always been in Arabi?

Kinda weak.

What makes the use of the Quran a travesty is how Caliphate's and their judicial officials chose to interpret their current societal issues in regards to Islamic law.

But if you chose to blasphem one of the three holy books go ahead, its your soul.

“Explaining Away the Greek Gods in Islam,” Journal of the History of Ideas 59/3 (1998): 389-403. Is an excelent article showing how reason and logic in regards to applying Islamic law has had some historical strengths and weaknesses.
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
The authentication of Quran is not an issue and never been. That can not be said for hadith. The authentication method used was only with relevance to sources. No critical analysis of the text was taken. Thus we ended up with some peculiar hadiths being considered authentic.

You hide behind the fact the Quran has always been in Arabi?

Kinda weak.

What makes the use of the Quran a travesty is how Caliphate's and their judicial officials chose to interpret their current societal issues in regards to Islamic law.

But if you chose to blasphem one of the three holy books go ahead, its your soul.

“Explaining Away the Greek Gods in Islam,” Journal of the History of Ideas 59/3 (1998): 389-403. Is an excelent article showing how reason and logic in regards to applying Islamic law has had some historical strengths and weaknesses.

No blasphemy here. The Quran and the prophet state that Jews and Christians have changed their books and warned Muslims of doing the same.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
No blasphemy here. The Quran and the prophet state that Jews and Christians have changed their books and warned Muslims of doing the same.

He also said to respect the previous two books which contain God's word.

Don't dispute any of it, because you won't know for sure whether you are renouncing the word of God or not.

If you can't point out which chapter, verse or version is true God's word or not then leave it alone and chose not to denounce any of it.

Besides it really doesn't concern you in the least, its not your Holy book. Then why let it bother yourself?

I question certain parts of the Quran, certain verses. But out of respect for a fellow believer I chose not to question it openly.
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
No blasphemy here. The Quran and the prophet state that Jews and Christians have changed their books and warned Muslims of doing the same.

He also said to respect the previous two books which contain God's word.

Don't dispute any of it, because you won't know for sure whether you are renouncing the word of God or not.

If you can't point out which chapter, verse or version is true God's word or not then leave it alone and chose not to denounce any of it.

Besides it really doesn't concern you in the least, its not your Holy book. Then why let it bother yourself?

I question certain parts of the Quran, certain verses. But out of respect for a fellow believer I chose not to question it openly.

Which verses?
I don't mind. I spent a good deal of time questioning a lot and don't mind arguing. I had no idea you're religious though [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
Which verses?
I don't mind. I spent a good deal of time questioning a lot and don't mind arguing. I had no idea you're religious though [Big Grin]

I am actually quite religious. I spent alot of time in Church and every time I got into trouble at school I had to copy chunks of the Bible each time. I mean I had to write by hand at least 50 verses each time I got into trouble.

Then when I was a teenager I got into confirmation. Most of the confirmation instructors were not Lutheran and it was a Lutheran church. Lets just say I helped alot of these non-Lutheran religion instructors chose to stop teaching confirmation but also stop going to Lutheran CHruches in general.

Plus I was a weird teenager, medieval history was a dirty little obessesion.

I think its more difficult to adapt to Islam when you've been raised with a lot of Christian religiousity.

But I won't discuss Islam with anyone really, I spent 5 years of marriage being yelled at for remaining Christian. Which only made me reject Muslim kind, not Islam even further.

Besides i have found from the marital religous arguments have only forced me to go and research his arguments against the Bible and Christianity and I found greater reason to put my faith into the Bible and Christianity.

His blind hatred of Christianity has helped to see why Christianity and Islam has made sense to different people over the centuries and millenia.
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
Which verses?
I don't mind. I spent a good deal of time questioning a lot and don't mind arguing. I had no idea you're religious though [Big Grin]

I am actually quite religious. I spent alot of time in Church and every time I got into trouble at school I had to copy chunks of the Bible each time. I mean I had to write by hand at least 50 verses each time I got into trouble.

Then when I was a teenager I got into confirmation. Most of the confirmation instructors were not Lutheran and it was a Lutheran church. Lets just say I helped alot of these non-Lutheran religion instructors chose to stop teaching confirmation but also stop going to Lutheran CHruches in general.

Plus I was a weird teenager, medieval history was a dirty little obessesion.

I think its more difficult to adapt to Islam when you've been raised with a lot of Christian religiousity.

But I won't discuss Islam with anyone really, I spent 5 years of marriage being yelled at for remaining Christian. Which only made me reject Muslim kind, not Islam even further.

Besides i have found from the marital religous arguments have only forced me to go and research his arguments against the Bible and Christianity and I found greater reason to put my faith into the Bible and Christianity.

His blind hatred of Christianity has helped to see why Christianity and Islam has made sense to different people over the centuries and millenia.

Well I beg to differ. May I suggest Karen Armstrong writings in this regard. I mean how the hatred started and developed into what we're seeing today. That's all I got to say about the subject because honestly I think its a waste of time [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Sadeeqy (Member # 9759) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
Where did you get that from?

Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol.XXVIII, No.2, 1983, pp. 311-320,
(A. Rippin - Qur'an 78/24: A Study In Arabic Lexicography)

History of Religions, Vol.36, No.1, 1996, pp. 13-41
(Suzanne Pinckney Stetkevych - Sarah and the Hyena: Laughter, Menstruation, and the Genesis of a Double Entendre)
 
Posted by Sadeeqy (Member # 9759) on :
 
By the way, Sono, here are some interesting links for you...

Oxford Journals Of Semitic Studies

History of Religions Electronic Edition

Multidisciplinary Collections

Arabic Verbs
 
Posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT (Member # 11953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
No blasphemy here. The Quran and the prophet state that Jews and Christians have changed their books and warned Muslims of doing the same. [/QB]

This is not directed at you MK5....... it is directed at some muslims who dont think

What makes you so sure fellow muslims that that is true? Any proof?

I am a muslim too but the idea of "Islam is the answer", "All christians & jews will go to hell because their holy Books have been changed & because God said so in the Quran"? Does not appeal to me.

If god said so in the Quran from a long time ago....... then why didnt he kill all christians & jews already? Why even bother create them? Why didnt he make all the world population muslims? Why give them no other choice but to go to hell? Isnt there free will? But this is he opposite of free will........ Anything good they *will* do wont count because they are going to hell anyway? Isnt god fair & just? Then you make him sound like a Tyrant.......... sorry it's just an expression ( & no god is not putting me in hell for that discussion & for that expression)

And please stop judging everyone like you are god........ You are not GOD....... You dont have the FORGIVING POWER of god or the JUSTICE of god
So you will never KNOW or have the RIGHT to say Who Will go to hell & who wont......... So give it some rest then & leave people alone

You muslims have nothing better to do but judge others to only feel good about yourselves
 
Posted by Auto Matic For The People (Member # 10849) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
Where did you get that from?

Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol.XXVIII, No.2, 1983, pp. 311-320,
(A. Rippin - Qur'an 78/24: A Study In Arabic Lexicography)

History of Religions, Vol.36, No.1, 1996, pp. 13-41
(Suzanne Pinckney Stetkevych - Sarah and the Hyena: Laughter, Menstruation, and the Genesis of a Double Entendre)

I don't understand what that means...there's nothing in your post that indicates Tadhak = Menstruation. Also the link you posted for sonomod: http://www.multimediaquran.com/quran/arabic/arabverb.htm clearly does not support your claim.
 
Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
One of these days...I'm going to cut you into litle pieces.

Pleeeeeeeeeeaasseee???????????

Pink Floyd or Black Sabbath?? I can almost hear it, Pink Floyd??? is it?? [Frown]
 
Posted by MK in Uggs (Member # 8356) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
One of these days...I'm going to cut you into litle pieces.

Pleeeeeeeeeeaasseee???????????

Pink Floyd or Black Sabbath?? I can almost hear it, Pink Floyd??? is it?? [Frown]

Pink Floyd it is.

The others eat Battys' heads off.
 
Posted by Sadeeqy (Member # 9759) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
I don't understand what that means...there's nothing in your post that indicates Tadhak = Menstruation. Also the link you posted for sonomod: http://www.multimediaquran.com/quran/arabic/arabverb.htm clearly does not support your claim.

Hello again, Auto... let me explain how I've got the translation... [Roll Eyes]

When Sono first asked her question, i google it. The first link that i've found was one from History of Religions. Knowing that this field is one of her interests, I assumed that she is reading that article. And she confirmed that a few posts later. The second one was about Arabic Lexicography. Both sources were posted for you, too.

My other post, with the links were not necessary related to the subject. I put them here because I found out a little about her latest interests. That's all! If my reply about the verbs was shallow and offended you, I'm sorry... (I hope you won't cut me into little pieces... [Big Grin] )

Best regards, Auto... [Smile]
 
Posted by Auto Matic For The People (Member # 10849) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
I don't understand what that means...there's nothing in your post that indicates Tadhak = Menstruation. Also the link you posted for sonomod: http://www.multimediaquran.com/quran/arabic/arabverb.htm clearly does not support your claim.

Hello again, Auto... let me explain how I've got the translation... [Roll Eyes]

When Sono first asked her question, i google it. The first link that i've found was one from History of Religions. Knowing that this field is one of her interests, I assumed that she is reading that article. And she confirmed that a few posts later. The second one was about Arabic Lexicography. Both sources were posted for you, too.

My other post, with the links were not necessary related to the subject. I put them here because I found out a little about her latest interests. That's all! If my reply about the verbs was shallow and offended you, I'm sorry... (I hope you won't cut me into little pieces... [Big Grin] )

Best regards, Auto... [Smile]

I still didn't get my answer and I'm not in any way offended [Confused]

You stated that the word Tadhak is translated as Menstruation, at least in Quranic context. I am interested in finding out if that is a fact. For some reason I can not access that first link you posted for sonomod but whatever you quoted from it was not in any way specific..... I'm looking details.
 
Posted by Auto Matic For The People (Member # 10849) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
One of these days...I'm going to cut you into litle pieces.

Pleeeeeeeeeeaasseee???????????

Pink Floyd or Black Sabbath?? I can almost hear it, Pink Floyd??? is it?? [Frown]

Just curious, what were you hearing? The only lyrics in the entire "song" is that one line.
 
Posted by Sadeeqy (Member # 9759) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
For some reason I can not access that first link you posted for sonomod but whatever you quoted from it was not in any way specific..... I'm looking details.

Perform a Google search on "dahikat and tadhaku" criteria. The first link that will appear is the one i've posted.
 
Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
One of these days...I'm going to cut you into litle pieces.

Pleeeeeeeeeeaasseee???????????

Pink Floyd or Black Sabbath?? I can almost hear it, Pink Floyd??? is it?? [Frown]

Just curious, what were you hearing? The only lyrics in the entire "song" is that one line.
It rang a distant bell auto, I could 'hear' how i remember it being, but cant remember the music or what it was from. Please tell!!

'tis a long time since I listened to Pink Floyd [Big Grin]
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
No blasphemy here. The Quran and the prophet state that Jews and Christians have changed their books and warned Muslims of doing the same.

This is not directed at you MK5....... it is directed at some muslims who dont think

What makes you so sure fellow muslims that that is true? Any proof?

I am a muslim too but the idea of "Islam is the answer", "All christians & jews will go to hell because their holy Books have been changed & because God said so in the Quran"? Does not appeal to me.

If god said so in the Quran from a long time ago....... then why didnt he kill all christians & jews already? Why even bother create them? Why didnt he make all the world population muslims? Why give them no other choice but to go to hell? Isnt there free will? But this is he opposite of free will........ Anything good they *will* do wont count because they are going to hell anyway? Isnt god fair & just? Then you make him sound like a Tyrant.......... sorry it's just an expression ( & no god is not putting me in hell for that discussion & for that expression)

And please stop judging everyone like you are god........ You are not GOD....... You dont have the FORGIVING POWER of god or the JUSTICE of god
So you will never KNOW or have the RIGHT to say Who Will go to hell & who wont......... So give it some rest then & leave people alone

You muslims have nothing better to do but judge others to only feel good about yourselves [/QB]

Well, God also said "Tabbat Yaddah Aby Lahbb". How come we still blame Abu Lahabb if he is been damned since eternity [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
By the way, Sono, here are some interesting links for you...

Oxford Journals Of Semitic Studies

History of Religions Electronic Edition

Multidisciplinary Collections

Arabic Verbs

Thanks for the last link. But this is what I have access to at home:

http://smumn.liblink.umn.edu/smumn/azlist/default

Those are the journals I can query and download at home.

I ran across article while using:

http://scholar.google.com

Which is a far more effective search engine that the one my university uses for its database collections. If my university does not have the journal I go down to the University of Minnesota use their public access terminals. If not there (which never happens) I do an interlibrary loan.

Sometimes an article was published in an European journal that is open source, but doesn't come up with the same title or the EU proxy server blocks search queries through USA search engine searches, then I go to a EU ISP and try their search engine.

I have found my favorite journals one of which is "American Anthropologist" or "American Ethnologist" which I had found Oleg Grebor (sp?), Maria Golia, Greggory Starett.

Right now I am trying to find access to SUNY press of online books. Muhammud al-Jabir al-Tabari (sp?) entire translated Abassid empire chronlogy is there. I want it, and bad. If you find a way to access this, I would be your slave. By the way I do windows. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
No blasphemy here. The Quran and the prophet state that Jews and Christians have changed their books and warned Muslims of doing the same.

This is not directed at you MK5....... it is directed at some muslims who dont think

What makes you so sure fellow muslims that that is true? Any proof?

I am a muslim too but the idea of "Islam is the answer", "All christians & jews will go to hell because their holy Books have been changed & because God said so in the Quran"? Does not appeal to me.

If god said so in the Quran from a long time ago....... then why didnt he kill all christians & jews already? Why even bother create them? Why didnt he make all the world population muslims? Why give them no other choice but to go to hell? Isnt there free will? But this is he opposite of free will........ Anything good they *will* do wont count because they are going to hell anyway? Isnt god fair & just? Then you make him sound like a Tyrant.......... sorry it's just an expression ( & no god is not putting me in hell for that discussion & for that expression)

And please stop judging everyone like you are god........ You are not GOD....... You dont have the FORGIVING POWER of god or the JUSTICE of god
So you will never KNOW or have the RIGHT to say Who Will go to hell & who wont......... So give it some rest then & leave people alone

You muslims have nothing better to do but judge others to only feel good about yourselves

Well, God also said "Tabbat Yaddah Aby Lahbb". How come we still blame Abu Lahabb if he is been damned since eternity [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [/QB]
Zaone your attitude is the same attitude my ex has, which is one of the biggest reasons for our divorce.

It smacks of Wahabism and basically using bias instead of reason and logic, which is un-Islamic.
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
No blasphemy here. The Quran and the prophet state that Jews and Christians have changed their books and warned Muslims of doing the same.

This is not directed at you MK5....... it is directed at some muslims who dont think

What makes you so sure fellow muslims that that is true? Any proof?

I am a muslim too but the idea of "Islam is the answer", "All christians & jews will go to hell because their holy Books have been changed & because God said so in the Quran"? Does not appeal to me.

If god said so in the Quran from a long time ago....... then why didnt he kill all christians & jews already? Why even bother create them? Why didnt he make all the world population muslims? Why give them no other choice but to go to hell? Isnt there free will? But this is he opposite of free will........ Anything good they *will* do wont count because they are going to hell anyway? Isnt god fair & just? Then you make him sound like a Tyrant.......... sorry it's just an expression ( & no god is not putting me in hell for that discussion & for that expression)

And please stop judging everyone like you are god........ You are not GOD....... You dont have the FORGIVING POWER of god or the JUSTICE of god
So you will never KNOW or have the RIGHT to say Who Will go to hell & who wont......... So give it some rest then & leave people alone

You muslims have nothing better to do but judge others to only feel good about yourselves

Well, God also said "Tabbat Yaddah Aby Lahbb". How come we still blame Abu Lahabb if he is been damned since eternity [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Zaone your attitude is the same attitude my ex has, which is one of the biggest reasons for our divorce.

It smacks of Wahabism and basically using bias instead of reason and logic, which is un-Islamic. [/QB]

Do you even know what I'm talking about here [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
quote:
Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
I don't understand what that means...there's nothing in your post that indicates Tadhak = Menstruation. Also the link you posted for sonomod: http://www.multimediaquran.com/quran/arabic/arabverb.htm clearly does not support your claim.

Hello again, Auto... let me explain how I've got the translation... [Roll Eyes]

When Sono first asked her question, i google it. The first link that i've found was one from History of Religions. Knowing that this field is one of her interests, I assumed that she is reading that article. And she confirmed that a few posts later. The second one was about Arabic Lexicography. Both sources were posted for you, too.

My other post, with the links were not necessary related to the subject. I put them here because I found out a little about her latest interests. That's all! If my reply about the verbs was shallow and offended you, I'm sorry... (I hope you won't cut me into little pieces... [Big Grin] )

Best regards, Auto... [Smile]

I still didn't get my answer and I'm not in any way offended [Confused]

You stated that the word Tadhak is translated as Menstruation, at least in Quranic context. I am interested in finding out if that is a fact. For some reason I can not access that first link you posted for sonomod but whatever you quoted from it was not in any way specific..... I'm looking details.

You have the file now in your inbox.

I read the first 23 pages of 29.

The article address the use of the word menstrate in regards to Arab Bedion societal structure, pre-Islamic literature which carried over into cultural attitudes towards female biology.

But the bias is inherent in her article because she claims the Muslim understanding of Sarah's laugh or post-menoupausal fertility is different than Judaism's. But she forgets that the language in which these post-menoupausal fertility in regards to Sarah and Rebeccah's miraclous pregnancy wasn't chronicaled in Hebrew. It was oral history which was transmitted in Aramaic, then written down in pre-Hebrew later on. The connection between laugh and menstrate is cemented into culture through Arabi and Aramaic, Jews were also desert people like the bedion. Their language and cultural bias to female biology is reflected in monotheism and poetic literature, not Jewish cannon is good, Islamic interpretation of Sarah and Rebeccah is bad.

She is off on monotheism bias, but right on the continued linguistic bias.

The author picked on the linguistic pun, but couldn't drop her east vs. west programming. So her logical points get lost in her biases.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT:
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
No blasphemy here. The Quran and the prophet state that Jews and Christians have changed their books and warned Muslims of doing the same.

This is not directed at you MK5....... it is directed at some muslims who dont think

What makes you so sure fellow muslims that that is true? Any proof?

I am a muslim too but the idea of "Islam is the answer", "All christians & jews will go to hell because their holy Books have been changed & because God said so in the Quran"? Does not appeal to me.

If god said so in the Quran from a long time ago....... then why didnt he kill all christians & jews already? Why even bother create them? Why didnt he make all the world population muslims? Why give them no other choice but to go to hell? Isnt there free will? But this is he opposite of free will........ Anything good they *will* do wont count because they are going to hell anyway? Isnt god fair & just? Then you make him sound like a Tyrant.......... sorry it's just an expression ( & no god is not putting me in hell for that discussion & for that expression)

And please stop judging everyone like you are god........ You are not GOD....... You dont have the FORGIVING POWER of god or the JUSTICE of god
So you will never KNOW or have the RIGHT to say Who Will go to hell & who wont......... So give it some rest then & leave people alone

You muslims have nothing better to do but judge others to only feel good about yourselves

Well, God also said "Tabbat Yaddah Aby Lahbb". How come we still blame Abu Lahabb if he is been damned since eternity [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Zaone your attitude is the same attitude my ex has, which is one of the biggest reasons for our divorce.

It smacks of Wahabism and basically using bias instead of reason and logic, which is un-Islamic.

Do you even know what I'm talking about here [Roll Eyes] [/QB]
Your Muslim, your book is uncorrupted, making you wiser than I.

Christian understanding of God's word is like the menstrating woman. Polluted, defiled and basically the moral equivilant of a hyena.

So you will win every arguement due to this assumption of yours.

No way of discussing anything with you because of your obvious superiority. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
Your Muslim, your book is uncorrupted, making you wiser than I.

So you will win every arguement due to this assumption of yours.

No way of discussing anything with you because of your obvious superiority. [Roll Eyes]

Do you know Arabic?
Do you understand what I was quoting there?
You're obviously tormented by your marriage experience. You might be right and the guy was an A Hole.
But before going around labeling everyone, try to get your facts right first [Mad]
 
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari (Member # 12233) on :
 
You might, I say might because I don't know it all, have been victimized by some Arab idiot. You may be an honest giving person who is jaded by too many disappointments, but that doesn't give you the right to continue abusing YOURSELF by making an Ass of thyself madam
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
quote:
Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
quote:
Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People:
I don't understand what that means...there's nothing in your post that indicates Tadhak = Menstruation. Also the link you posted for sonomod: http://www.multimediaquran.com/quran/arabic/arabverb.htm clearly does not support your claim.

Hello again, Auto... let me explain how I've got the translation... [Roll Eyes]

When Sono first asked her question, i google it. The first link that i've found was one from History of Religions. Knowing that this field is one of her interests, I assumed that she is reading that article. And she confirmed that a few posts later. The second one was about Arabic Lexicography. Both sources were posted for you, too.

My other post, with the links were not necessary related to the subject. I put them here because I found out a little about her latest interests. That's all! If my reply about the verbs was shallow and offended you, I'm sorry... (I hope you won't cut me into little pieces... [Big Grin] )

Best regards, Auto... [Smile]

I still didn't get my answer and I'm not in any way offended [Confused]

You stated that the word Tadhak is translated as Menstruation, at least in Quranic context. I am interested in finding out if that is a fact. For some reason I can not access that first link you posted for sonomod but whatever you quoted from it was not in any way specific..... I'm looking details.

I thought you knew about this article's content.

While reading this I remembered MK_Uggs or the original MK's going on and on about how western women being hyenas, or at least western women marrying Egyptian men.

I thought you were in on a joke.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
You might, I say might because I don't know it all, have been victimized by some Arab idiot. You may be an honest giving person who is jaded by too many disappointments, but that doesn't give you the right to continue abusing YOURSELF by making an Ass of thyself madam

Due to religious and racial arrogance, I have learned my lesson.

I'll stick to guys born and raised in the west.

I don't want to spend the rest of my life being inferior to the person I married.
 
Posted by ChinderallaAngelTormentor CAT (Member # 11953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba5Koshari:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
Your Muslim, your book is uncorrupted, making you wiser than I.

So you will win every arguement due to this assumption of yours.

No way of discussing anything with you because of your obvious superiority. [Roll Eyes]

Do you know Arabic?
Do you understand what I was quoting there?
You're obviously tormented by your marriage experience. You might be right and the guy was an A Hole.
But before going around labeling everyone, try to get your facts right first [Mad]

I know arabic but I didnt really get what you were trying to say in your response to my long post
 
Posted by Sadeeqy (Member # 9759) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
Right now I am trying to find access to SUNY press of online books. Muhammud al-Jabir al-Tabari (sp?) entire translated Abassid empire chronlogy is there. I want it, and bad. If you find a way to access this, I would be your slave. By the way I do windows. [Big Grin]

I know it's not what you've wanted... but it's useful, though... [Smile]

http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk/chronology/index.html (check the Islamic Period)

Talking about Abu Dja'far Mohammed Djarir al-Tabari and his History (Ta'rikh al-rusul wa'l muluk)... you've said you want the entire Abbasid Empire chronology...are these the ones you want? "Cause I need to know what to search for you...

The History of Al-Tabari: The Crisis of the Early Caliphate by Al-Tabari, translated by Stephen Humphreys.

The History of al-Tabari, Vol. XXVII: The Abbasid Revolution by John Alden Williams

The History of al-Tabari, Vol. XXIX: Al-Mansur and al-Mahdi by Hugh Kennedy

The History of al-Tabari, Vol. XXX: The Abbasid Caliphate in Equilibrium; The Caliphates of Musa al-Hadi and Harun al-Rashid, translated by C. E. Bosworth

The History of Al-Tabari, Vol. XXXII: The Reunification of the Abbasid Caliphate, the Caliphate of Al-Ma Mun A.D. 812-833 by Al-Tabari, translated by C.E. Bosworth.

The History of Al-Tabari, Vol. XXXIII: Storm and Stress Along the Northern Frontiers of the Abbasid Caliphate by Al-Tabari, translated by C.E. Bosworth.

The Crisis of the Abbasid Caliphate by Al-Tabari, translated by George Saliba.

The History of Al-Tabari : Abbasid Authority Confirmed by Al-Tabari, translated by Jane Dammen McAuliffe.
 
Posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha (Member # 12077) on :
 
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Originally posted by Sadeeqy:
quote:
Originally posted by Everyone's_a_Pascha:
Right now I am trying to find access to SUNY press of online books. Muhammud al-Jabir al-Tabari (sp?) entire translated Abassid empire chronlogy is there. I want it, and bad. If you find a way to access this, I would be your slave. By the way I do windows. [Big Grin]

I know it's not what you've wanted... but it's useful, though... [Smile]

http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk/chronology/index.html (check the Islamic Period)

Talking about Abu Dja'far Mohammed Djarir al-Tabari and his History (Ta'rikh al-rusul wa'l muluk)... you've said you want the entire Abbasid Empire chronology...are these the ones you want? "Cause I need to know what to search for you...

The History of Al-Tabari: The Crisis of the Early Caliphate by Al-Tabari, translated by Stephen Humphreys.

The History of al-Tabari, Vol. XXVII: The Abbasid Revolution by John Alden Williams

The History of al-Tabari, Vol. XXIX: Al-Mansur and al-Mahdi by Hugh Kennedy

The History of al-Tabari, Vol. XXX: The Abbasid Caliphate in Equilibrium; The Caliphates of Musa al-Hadi and Harun al-Rashid, translated by C. E. Bosworth

The History of Al-Tabari, Vol. XXXII: The Reunification of the Abbasid Caliphate, the Caliphate of Al-Ma Mun A.D. 812-833 by Al-Tabari, translated by C.E. Bosworth.

The History of Al-Tabari, Vol. XXXIII: Storm and Stress Along the Northern Frontiers of the Abbasid Caliphate by Al-Tabari, translated by C.E. Bosworth.

The Crisis of the Abbasid Caliphate by Al-Tabari, translated by George Saliba.

The History of Al-Tabari : Abbasid Authority Confirmed by Al-Tabari, translated by Jane Dammen McAuliffe.

Al-Tabari can only speak for the period he was living in, the Abassid period.

And specifically the online SUNY books, which have excellent translations and they don't live out details that are not PC they are pretty darn unbiased in content.

I found 3 SUNY al-Tabari books in the Minneapolis Public Library www.netlibrary.com collection, though there is 22 in the SUNY series.

I'll keep on looking, some organization out there must have the content (online books) and forgot to seal it up with authentication of accounts (login ID and password). Sometimes web admins screw up!
 


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