Radio stations are abuzz all day with callers calling in to give their thanks and love to Egypt and Egyptians. They are thanking Egypt for allowing the thousands upon thousands of their brothers and sisters that are under occupation to enter freely for the purpose of buying food.
The Zionist state of Israel has literally cut off water, electricity, gas, oil and food supplies - while the whole world watches. The Palestinians today dismantled the border wall barrier and Egyptian soldiers welcomed the masses that poured in side Egypt.
Alhamdulillah. The words and the dua for Egypt and Egyptians today are very beautiful.
Allah barak alla Masr wa ahlaha.
Posted by gab (Member # 14577) on :
very good
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
Ya rab! Which channel are you listening to.... Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :
Im presuming there is some economical and political reason why Egypt cant take at least 'some' as refugees?? Why do they have to go back at all? Cant they be taken as refugees here and surrounding countries like Jordan, I know there are many escaped to Jordan already.
Im not 'into' politics so maybe thats why I dont understand. Posted by Dalia* (Member # 10593) on :
quote:Originally posted by Exiled: The Zionist state of Israel has literally cut off water, electricity, gas, oil and food supplies
As far as I know Egypt supplies the Gaza strip with some electricity, yet refuses to supply them with as much as they need.
I've heard that one of the reasons they don't is that they don't want to lose the two billion dollars financial aid they are getting from the US each year ...
Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dalia*:
quote:Originally posted by Exiled: The Zionist state of Israel has literally cut off water, electricity, gas, oil and food supplies
As far as I know Egypt supplies the Gaza strip with some electricity, yet refuses to supply them with as much as they need.
I've heard that one of the reasons they don't is that they don't want to lose the two billion dollars financial aid they are getting from the US each year ...
AAhhh of course.
So Egypt wont take them in because Israel would be angry and if Israel is angry USA is angry and if USA is angry Egypt gets no money.
sad Posted by Expecto Patronum (Alchemist) (Member # 12318) on :
God is great. It is a proud moment for Egypt.
And Ayisha, not everyone wants to abandon Palestine to Israel. That is their land, their home. That would just be kind of letting them win.
Posted by Reality_Meanie (Member # 14540) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dalia*:
quote:Originally posted by Exiled: The Zionist state of Israel has literally cut off water, electricity, gas, oil and food supplies
As far as I know Egypt supplies the Gaza strip with some electricity, yet refuses to supply them with as much as they need.
I've heard that one of the reasons they don't is that they don't want to lose the two billion dollars financial aid they are getting from the US each year ...
Dalia Egypt already has had its USAid $$ reduced because it backed out on portions of the David Accord's pact.
In order for this USAid package to be reduced it must go through congress and I have only seen USAid reduced to a particular country by executive order no more than 2 times, if its still within the privilages of the executive office (presidency).
The reason why the USAid package was reduced is due to a break in Diplomacy, an intentional act by the Egyptian government and it was because Egypt privatized its National Oil company. Thus Egypt will not be selling its crude oil for 1/6 the market rate directly to the US military.
I understand Dalia you don't find politics rational, but there are international and US policies to ascribe to here.
Its not the equalivilant of a parent reducing or suspending a child's allowance. Its a lengthy process that takes an entire congressional season to pass bills with reduce a particular section of a budget.
Sorry to disappoint, but I just forced through reality into your fantasy.
Posted by newcomer (Member # 1056) on :
The thing is that the Palestinians have not been allowed into Egypt proper, just the Egyptian part of Rafah. They can only go as far as Arish and not actually into the rest of Egypt. It seems as if they are in a bit of a no-man's land, out of Gaza, but not fully into Egypt.
Remember the pilgrims who got stuck? They were stuck at Arish trying to get back into Gaza, not in Rafah.
So all Egypt has actually done is allowed them to come into a no-man's land to do some shopping and spend all their money; which admittedly is a good thing, but its not as good as it appears on the surface. Is it ever?
Posted by Reality_Meanie (Member # 14540) on :
What I find odd is there is no journalists or humanitarian efforts for the Palestinians in Arish or Rafah to either give aid or document human rights abuses.
None of the Arab countries actually allow humanitarian aid in regions adjascent to Palestine, and scant aid in the actual refugee camps.
Seriously Lebannon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt have some sort of pact to limit resources to Palestinian refugees.
Posted by bokragirl (Member # 14684) on :
good news!
Posted by lovingmylife (Member # 13695) on :
quote:Originally posted by Exiled: Radio stations are abuzz all day with callers calling in to give their thanks and love to Egypt and Egyptians. They are thanking Egypt for allowing the thousands upon thousands of their brothers and sisters that are under occupation to enter freely for the purpose of buying food.
The Zionist state of Israel has literally cut off water, electricity, gas, oil and food supplies - while the whole world watches. The Palestinians today dismantled the border wall barrier and Egyptian soldiers welcomed the masses that poured in side Egypt.
Alhamdulillah. The words and the dua for Egypt and Egyptians today are very beautiful.
Allah barak alla Masr wa ahlaha.
Very good news! I wish to Palestinians only the best.
May Allah give them the strength and the will to survive and resist, eventually become the strongest and prevail with God's will.
We all thank to Egypt and Egyptians for being so compassionate and doing what's right thing to do. Posted by ***** (Member # 14677) on :
I was so happy abd I send my tx to Egypt for extending a hand in friendship to the Palestinians in this dire humantarian need may God bless Egypt
Posted by TOOT Suite :) (Member # 14248) on :
What would be even better would be a little kiosk that every Palestinian has to pass through and they recieve a voucher to spend on all they need and the Saudi and other Oil Sheikhs pay the tab to the Egyptian shopkeepers. Let the Palestinians take their money back throug to Gaza with them, now that would be humanitarian.
God Bless Egypt and the Egyptians right now. They have SO done the right thing.
Posted by Exiled (Member # 14410) on :
quote:Originally posted by newcomer: The thing is that the Palestinians have not been allowed into Egypt proper, just the Egyptian part of Rafah. They can only go as far as Arish and not actually into the rest of Egypt. It seems as if they are in a bit of a no-man's land, out of Gaza, but not fully into Egypt.
Remember the pilgrims who got stuck? They were stuck at Arish trying to get back into Gaza, not in Rafah.
So all Egypt has actually done is allowed them to come into a no-man's land to do some shopping and spend all their money; which admittedly is a good thing, but its not as good as it appears on the surface. Is it ever?
Everything you wrote is factual. I will not delve into the political intricacies relative to this issue but for now as of yesterday, many Palestinians have food on their plates. This act by Palestinians to tear down the wall and for Egyptians to accept them into their territory without passports, visas is unprecedented. This move has alleviated some of the misery imposed collectively on occupied Palestinians by the Israeli government.
Again i agree with you but these are very desperate times. When people are literally crossing the border to purchase flour, milk, cheese, oil, etc. These are very basic necessities for every family.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
All what happened is that Hamas blew a few holes in the wall, in order to make in- and out-coming traffic from Egypt possible. The Palstinian people took their chance, crossed the Egyptian border en masse. As soon as the Palestinians reached the Egyptian shops, the shopkeepers raised their proces, but that didn't stop the Palestinians. Besides food and cigarettes, they bought mobile phones and televisions. A few sick Palestinians got medical treatment,and that's it. The act of humanity in this is a relative subject. The Palestinians were able to buy what they wanted, nothing more... So the nobility in this is limited...
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
Why everyone is thinking they went shopping and go back *home*?
You be surprised how many have other plans....
And I can widely imagine how weapons, ammunition, drugs and whatever else get carried over now hence it became so much easier - no more crawling through tunnels.
Egypt has in general a huge problem to protect it's borders; not only the Hamas knows that.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Think they already HAVE a problem...
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
I guess Egypt's hospitality already reached its end...
Egypt fires water cannons at border
Reuters Published: January 25, 2008
RAFAH, Egypt: Egyptian forces fired water cannons at Palestinians trying to force their way across the Gaza-Egypt border on Friday and warned over loudspeakers the border would close at 3 p.m. (1 p.m. British time), witnesses said.
Mubarak has to deal with Hamas outside and the strong opposition from the Muslim Brotherhood inside, against the warning Isreal and US. So, he wants to keep them both satisfied to open the gates limited. As I understood there was no need for food behind these walls, aid-foundations even delivered food earlier this week. It was a planned action from Hamas, and it is used as propaganda. The Palestinians who have to live behind these walls, of course, are living like in a jail, without knowing freedom. Opening the gates means a little freedom to them...
Posted by Exiled (Member # 14410) on :
We need more smilies on ES and one i have in mind would wave a banner that reads: idiots need not reply in my thread.
Enjoy your weekend ESers.
Posted by TOOT Suite :) (Member # 14248) on :
seems the Egyptian police have pulled back again and have not interferred in the Palestinians going back through the Salahadeen gate. 2 Cops were seriously injured possibly dead after being hit by stones from the Palestinians according to Al Jazeera news report. At that point the police were told to withdraw as they did not want to enter combat with the Palestinian people crossing over.
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
quote:Originally posted by Exiled: We need more smilies on ES and one i have in mind would wave a banner that reads: idiots need not reply in my thread.
Enjoy your weekend ESers.
Said the MORON and left the forum.
Thank you. Posted by lovingmylife (Member # 13695) on :
quote:Originally posted by ?????: As I understood there was no need for food behind these walls, aid-foundations even delivered food earlier this week. Opening the gates means a little freedom to them...
And why aid-foundations would be needed if food was available behind these walls?
You do understand that Palestine is an occupied country and we are talking about it's people Palestinians behind these walls?
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
quote:Originally posted by lovingmylife:
quote:Originally posted by ?????: As I understood there was no need for food behind these walls, aid-foundations even delivered food earlier this week. Opening the gates means a little freedom to them...
And why aid-foundations would be needed if food was available behind these walls?
You do understand that Palestine is an occupied country and we are talking about it's people Palestinians behind these walls?
Yes, I think the aid-foundations were able to controll the situation. Besides that, of course all these people are living in a jail. What I don't understand is: Gaza is near to nations that should be considered to be their muslim brothers. When my neighbour should be in need for food, and is hungry, I would feed him. All these people locked up between walls, unemployed for years and years, it should be the most generous thing to do, and complete in the intention of their religion: feed them. But there is not a neighbout who is doing that. The neighbour sits and wait, untill the wall has been forced, they raise up their prices, and the neighbour can buy his food... There would not be ONE nation that could have objections against acts of humnaity, to feed the neighbours in need. It would give excellent PR, and Israel could not have moral objections because there is nothing wrong with it. The whole world should disagree with them if they would... Why is nobody that human, why is nobody that smart? It would brings in positive vibes into a negative situation, and would shine a light on the real victims instead as the wars of power that the leading people are playing...
Posted by lovingmylife (Member # 13695) on :
quote:Originally posted by ?????:
quote:Originally posted by lovingmylife:
quote:Originally posted by ?????: As I understood there was no need for food behind these walls, aid-foundations even delivered food earlier this week. Opening the gates means a little freedom to them...
And why aid-foundations would be needed if food was available behind these walls?
You do understand that Palestine is an occupied country and we are talking about it's people Palestinians behind these walls?
Yes, I think the aid-foundations were able to controll the situation. Besides that, of course all these people are living in a jail.
So if the aid-foundations were able to feed Palestinians behind the wall, why Palestinians broke the wall and decided to go for food?
Posted by Strangeways (Member # 14752) on :
Why was it even legal for Egypt to have a wall on its border with Gaza in the first place?
Do they think that the Palestinians are so bad that they have to prevent any dealings with them? They're probably right if they do, but immensely hyprocritical nonetheless.
Palestine is now being run by a radical terrorist group -hamas- after hamas OVERTHREW their own government and imposed radically violent Muslim rule. SO it's bombs away for the Palestinians as they lob their explosives over the Israeli border on a continual basis.
It's only oppression if it's jews doing the opressing. If Egyptians (or other muslims) do it to other palestinians, it's not oppression, it's the Egyptians protecting themselves from the Jews coming through Gaza.
Posted by Strangeways (Member # 14752) on :
Did you even know that the wicked Zionists were supplying electricity and water to Gaza in the first place?
Israel has a population of a little over 7 million; Gaza a population of a little under 1.5 million. That means Gaza has about 20 per cent the population of Israel.
That would be almost exactly equivalent to the United States-at a little over 300 million-supplying water and electricity to a population the size of the entire United Kingdom (60 million). That might put a bit of a dent in the national budge, don't you think?
That doesn't begin to address all the other aid Israel has offered Gaza, including maintaining their sewer system (for which Israeli engineers had to devise the use of heavy-duty plastic pvc pipes, because Palistinians would did up metal sewer pipes to use making mortars), and of course those long-destroyed donated greenhouses that were meant to jump-start the Gazan economy.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Hamas has been preparing this break-out-scene for months. They have been placing these bombs with the intention to use it, on the moment it suited them. I think you are misunderstanding my point in this; my opinion about the matter. To me Hamas, Fatah, Muslim Brotherhood, Israelian, Egyptian and US gouvernments have one important similarity: they are all using their power above a group of people and against other groups. To me it doesn't make a difference whether it is Hamas or the Egyptian gouvernment: they are all dupating groups of innocent civilians. They are playing their acts on a playstage that they have created theirselves, and the civilians are victims in this. Do you really think a normal civilian, Palestinian, Israelian or Egyptian is happy with this? They are used as pieces on a chestboard, and all these organisations are placing and replacing them whenever they want; they don't have any influence on the course of the game. They are not the players, they are the pawns. What would you do when you are locked into a place surrounded by walls, when you would be dependant on what the players in this game are willing to give, when you lack freedom, and the walls are open? Escape and get away, simple as that. There is not a single humanitary justification in situations like this, and the world is sitting and watching, including the neighbours. I am not discussing the truth in the situation as it was last week, I am discussing humanity in every involved party. Every involved party is replacing the pawns now and then, they pull the strings, and the people are just puppets. Every involved party is manipulating scenes and are making it look like they want at that moment. Hamas made it look like it was humanity as also Egypt did. It wasn't. It was an arranged break-out. The losers in this are the Palestinian people.
Posted by lovingmylife (Member # 13695) on :
quote:I am disscusing humanity in every involved party.
Do you see anything morally wrong and inhumane in having Palestinians fed by aid-foundations in their own country - and - being behind the wall?
Posted by Strangeways (Member # 14752) on :
Besides electricity and water, I find it most ironic that the Arab Palestinians would rely on the Infidel for their oil supply. Their friends in Iran could send fuel oil instead of IFD'S and rocket launchers.
Posted by lovingmylife (Member # 13695) on :
quote:Originally posted by ?????: The losers in this are the Palestinian people.
So who occupied their country Palestine and deprived them of basic human needs such as food, electricity, gas, oil, water... ?
Posted by lovingmylife (Member # 13695) on :
quote:Originally posted by ?????: Hamas made it look like it was humanity as also Egypt did. It wasn't. It was an arranged break-out. The losers in this are the Palestinian people.
So providing the food after Palestinians broke the wall was not act of humanity but keeping Palestinians behind the wall with no food, electricity, gas and oil - is?
So how Palestinians are losers if they finally broke the wall and got food ?
Posted by Strangeways (Member # 14752) on :
The war in Middle East has nothing to do with land. There has never been a country called Palestine. Palestine is the name of a region like Sahara. Part of that falls in Israel, the other parts fall in Syria and Jordan. No one is asking Syria and Jordan to give back the territories.
Prior to the Jews the Turks were ruling this land for centuries. There was no call for Jihad then because although the Turks are not Arabs they are Muslims. So it was okay. But a Muslim can't have the humiliation of being ruled by non-Muslims, and especially a Jewish state. This is a religious war.
They don't want Israel as a neighbor, period.
Here is a quote by one of their leaders on what they want;
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism. "For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." (PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, March 31, 1977, interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)
Posted by Strangeways (Member # 14752) on :
Muslims speak of Israel as if it actually belonged to the Palestinians from the dawn of time. But the Jews have been there for at least 4000 years. They were exiled and were taken in Diaspora, often persecuted by maniacs such as Hitler, Muhammad and his followers and now they are back reclaiming their own ancestral land. Is there anything wrong in that? If you said yes it is because you are biased. Your hatred has clouded your judgment. This is something that you have to resolve for yourself.
Prophet Muhammad ethnically cleansed them from Arabia. He attacked the Jewish settlements of Medina and though they did not fight back and surrendered, he massacred their men tool their women and children as slave and sold them.
What Muhammad did to other religions in Arabia (Hijaz) was ethnic cleansing. What the Muslims are doing to the Christians, Buddhists, Hindus. Ahmadis and Bahais in all Islamic countries is ethnic cleansing, because you can see a systematic persecution of these minorities in all Islamic countries. These minorities are massacred, imprisoned and forced to exile. This is ethnic cleansing. The Jews are not persecuting the Palestinians. The Palestinians are free in Israel and their rights are protected. But of course you cannot expect trust from a people that they constantly terrorize you. There is a lot of bad blood among the Jews and Palestinians. But try to be fair in you judgment. How would you react if you were an Israeli constantly being harassed by the Palestinian suicide bombers? What would you do to a people who openly deny your right to exist?
Palestine before the 1967 was under the occupation of Jordan. No one complained at that time. Why so much fuss when the Jews have occupied it? The answer is simple. Muslims hate the Jews. The reason for this is because Muhammad told them to hate the Jews. Prior to Muhammad, the Jews and the Arabs were allies. They intermarried and traded with each other. Muhammad is the founder of the religious animosity between the Arabs and the Jews that has lasted for 1400 years and is causing the death of innocent people even today.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
I don't know where you're up to, LML, but I think I have been clear enough. The Palestinian civilians are the losesr in this, because they are the victims, that must'be to difficult to understand, isn't it? You are taking out little details of what I write, to discuss them, without getting the intention of the complete text: The Palestinian people are like puppets on a string, and several parties are pulling the strings when they feel the need to do so. Nobody can deny that, and I really don't understand why you are discussing this at all. If your neighbour is hungry, you feed him, simple as that.If you are unable to help him in a structural way, to make sure that he would be able to feed himself, you are giving aid. If Hamas should be that concerned about the wellness from their own people, they AT LEAST would be sure that they would be in need. They wouldn't place bombs for months and let them explode at the moment aid-foundations actually delivered supplies in that same week! But it is like it is going everywhere; even the humanitairy aid is directed.There are stock chambers full of food and medicines that never reached the ones who are in need, because some lunatic is pulling the strings and is using his exaction. Go on with duiscussing trivial details, I won't answer. Because in my opinion you are intentional leading the discussion in the direction YOU want.And I DO NOT want this. Thank you.
Posted by Strangeways (Member # 14752) on :
The one thing there is no shortage in the Palestinian lands is explosives. Everything else can run out but they still manage to find stuff to blow other peoples stuff up with.
I've always wondered about that. If the Palestinians are so impoverished, how is it possible that every male over the age of five owns at least one AK-47 and is able to shoot gazillions of bullets into the air a dozen times a day? Anybody have any idea the cost of a single bullet in Gaza?
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
quote:Originally posted by Strangeways: Muslims speak of Israel as if it actually belonged to the Palestinians from the dawn of time. But the Jews have been there for at least 4000 years. They were exiled and were taken in Diaspora, often persecuted by maniacs such as Hitler, Muhammad and his followers and now they are back reclaiming their own ancestral land. Is there anything wrong in that? If you said yes it is because you are biased. Your hatred has clouded your judgment. This is something that you have to resolve for yourself.
Prophet Muhammad ethnically cleansed them from Arabia. He attacked the Jewish settlements of Medina and though they did not fight back and surrendered, he massacred their men tool their women and children as slave and sold them.
What Muhammad did to other religions in Arabia (Hijaz) was ethnic cleansing. What the Muslims are doing to the Christians, Buddhists, Hindus. Ahmadis and Bahais in all Islamic countries is ethnic cleansing, because you can see a systematic persecution of these minorities in all Islamic countries. These minorities are massacred, imprisoned and forced to exile. This is ethnic cleansing. The Jews are not persecuting the Palestinians. The Palestinians are free in Israel and their rights are protected. But of course you cannot expect trust from a people that they constantly terrorize you. There is a lot of bad blood among the Jews and Palestinians. But try to be fair in you judgment. How would you react if you were an Israeli constantly being harassed by the Palestinian suicide bombers? What would you do to a people who openly deny your right to exist?
Palestine before the 1967 was under the occupation of Jordan. No one complained at that time. Why so much fuss when the Jews have occupied it? The answer is simple. Muslims hate the Jews. The reason for this is because Muhammad told them to hate the Jews. Prior to Muhammad, the Jews and the Arabs were allies. They intermarried and traded with each other. Muhammad is the founder of the religious animosity between the Arabs and the Jews that has lasted for 1400 years and is causing the death of innocent people even today.
There is no such thing as "the jews". The jews are a group of people that are sharing the same religion, such as christians, muslims, buddhists etc. There is no country that is called Jewania, like there is no Christian or Buddistic country. It was not a co-incedence that the three big religions all started in the same area; what now is called the middle-east. There it all started, and from there it spreaded out over the world. There are believers from this religions in almost every country of the world, and none of them has the right to have an own country, certainly not at the place where it all started. That giving of rights to the jews, imo was a stupic act, everybody should have known that this wasn't possible. But, it happened, and we have to deal with that. During the last 60 years the civilians in this part of the world have had so much troubles, that they just want to live in peace, leading a normal life. The ones who are pulling the strings are making that impossible. For the jews, for the christians, and for the muslims.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
quote:Originally posted by Strangeways: The one thing there is no shortage in the Palestinian lands is explosives. Everything else can run out but they still manage to find stuff to blow other peoples stuff up with.
I've always wondered about that. If the Palestinians are so impoverished, how is it possible that every male over the age of five owns at least one AK-47 and is able to shoot gazillions of bullets into the air a dozen times a day? Anybody have any idea the cost of a single bullet in Gaza?
They are all unemployed for ages, they should be poor, and if you see what they did spend, during their last visits to Egypt, you indeed have to wonder how this is possible. Televisionsets, satellites, mobile phones, cement, building equipment, not exactly what a hungry family should buy... The most likely reason is that this is also directed....
Posted by Strangeways (Member # 14752) on :
Judaism is the name of the religion of the Jews but Jews are also a nation. These are two different things with the same name. Israel is a secular country. Many Jews do not believe in God let alone in Judaism. Do you really think Albert Einstein believed in Yahweh, or had any faith in Judaism? Einstein was an atheist. But do you deny the fact that he was a Jew?
Today the religion of Judaism is irrelevant, outdated and superfluous, yet the Jews as a nation need to have a land to call their own. They belong to Israel just as Egyptians belong to Egypt. Israel is given to the Jews in reaction to what happened to millions of them during the WWII. Every human being must have a place to call home. If the Palestinians did not hate the Jews this much and if driving all the Jews out of Israel was not their only goal, it won’t be hard to come to an agreement.
Today the Palestinians want nothing short of destruction of Israel. Would anyone make concessions to someone who openly says I want to kill you? Judging by the number of geniuses among the Jews, one thing they are not is stupid.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
I think 95% of the people are having a religion without have chosen for it, because their parents decided this for them by birth. When every new born child should have to make a decision for its own in case of chosing a religion, at least it should lead to more aware choices. Einstein and many others who are thinking a little bit further, know that a lot what has been written in this religious books can't be true. As soon as people can't find an exploination for what's happening they are tended to make it religious because they want an exploination! Many of this old miracles, appearances, occurings etc. in the meanwhile, are scientific to explain. The jews are having such people, the muslims are having such people, and the christians are having such people. People who are able to see the lines in a religion, and are able to see the subjectivity in it, and are understanding that they were written in a similar backlaying thought; simple guidelines for people to get along with each other, to respect each other, and to accept each other. Everybody who has a bit common sense knows these rules without those books. Good is good and bad is bad, and it doesn't matter in which religion you're looking; it are basic human believes and they are identical. Everything what has been written more, is about details, and can have differences, but in fact they're not important. The jews as a religious group have been persued through the whole history, and everywhere on the world. Nevertheless their believes are the base of christianity and islam. As long as I can respect a person for having any religion, nothing will go wrong. As soon as I don't demand rights of having my religion, nothing will go wrong. I am believing X and you are believing Y, nad probably the neighbour believes Z. As long as we respect that, nothing will go wrong. If you, as a member of church Y are in need for help, and I'm giving you that, you will respect me, even when I am from church X. If neighbour Z is doing the same, we all will live in peace with each other and next to each other, complete in the intention to our own different religions. Then we shouldn't need a country for believers from church X, Y or Z.
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
Desperate measures in an attempt to gain back order!!
Egyptian forces order closure of al-Arish shops
Posted : Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:56:05 GMT Author : DPA Category : Middle East (World)
Cairo - Egyptian authorities on Saturday forced the shutdown of all stores, markets and gas stations in al-Arish city in the northern Sinai in a bid to pressure the Palestinians to return to Gaza, eyewitnesses and security sources said. Security sources have imposed a curfew, trying to prevent people from walking in the streets, sources told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa.
"Streets in al-Arish are completely empty of Egyptians. Only Palestinians are wandering around searching for open shops to buy from," sources said.
Egyptian security forces in full riot gear deployed along the border with Gaza on Friday in an attempt to restore order after two days of anarchy that saw hundreds of thousands of Palestinians cross over freely and stock up on scarce supplies in Egypt.
The deadline to close the Rafah crossing point was earlier announced over megaphones on Egyptian security vehicles driving around al-Arish and the divided border town of Rafah, where many Palestinians had spent the night, either with relatives, on benches or in parks.
Egyptian security forces in full riot gear had deployed Friday along the border in an attempt to restore order after two days of anarchy that saw hundreds of thousands of Palestinians cross over freely and stock up on scarce supplies in Egypt.
But in late Friday afternoon, militants used bulldozers to break another hole in the border fence, and scores of trucks and pedestrians were again seen streaming unhindered into Egypt.
On Saturday, there were reports that thousands of Palestinians continued to cross over the border.
Egypt had no choice so it is the Palestinians who blasted the wall who are holding the power and not Mubarak! If he were to mash down the Palestinian break, he would bolster his enemies and that would start a problem because Hamas is more powerful (unified) than the power behinf Mubarak!
Posted by steeledge (Member # 14774) on :
no i think egypt allways has the power becozi think egypt is stronge enough to does not let this palestinians go over egyptian land.egypt just let them get some food and fuel o they can live.egypt allways only country in the middle east can stand for israel
Posted by steeledge (Member # 14774) on :
and i think anyone did not appriciate what egypt did he is i think hezoaalah member hehe
Posted by Strangeways (Member # 14752) on :
Partners for peace: Fatah TV broadcasts daily call for ethnic cleansing of Jews
"My enemy, oh snake! Around the land, you are coiled. You have no choice, oh enemy, but to leave my country" - here is yet another indication that the Palestinian Authority of Mahmoud Abbas believes that it can work for the destruction of Israel with utter impunity while pretending to be on the side of peaceful coexistence.
(IsraelNN.com) Fatah chief and PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's PA television has been repeatedly broadcasting a hate-filled music video calling for the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish people from Israel.
"My enemy, oh snake! Around the land, you are coiled. You have no choice, oh enemy, but to leave my country," is the refrain in the video, which has been broadcast on a daily basis for the past several months, according to Palestinian Media Watch (PMW).
"The song's refrain, 'My enemy, oh enemy,' is repeated over and over throughout the song. Israel is not even given the courtesy of a name, but is tagged with such labels as 'treacherous,' 'imperialism' and a 'coiled snake,'" PMW Director Itamar Marcus points out. "The Palestinian is portrayed as a heroic victim who courageously confronts the evil 'enemy' Israel."
The song incites Arabs living under Fatah's rule in Judea and Samaria to fight to the death to rid the land of Jews, assuring them that, through this, they will ultimately prevail: "You have no choice, oh enemy, but to leave my country," it says.
quote:Originally posted by ?????: The jews as a religious group have been persued through the whole history, and everywhere on the world.
That's one of the reasons why the World can't understand their acts of inhumanity by keeping Palestinians behind the wall with no food, electricity and basic needs in their own country.
Let's not forget, Palestine is an occupied country. Palestinians need their country back, and keeping them behind the wall and starving them to death won't distroy them.
The Jews as a religious group who survived genocide should have known better.
Explaining that Palestinians did not benefit from buying food in Egypt for bare survival is like saying Jews could not have benefited when they were rescued out of concentration camps in Germany...
because someone along the line had really bad motives and wanted only to make money on them.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
The latest idea is to give Sinai to the Palestinians. The one has to give it is Egypt, of course. How about the hungry Palestinians that have been arrested yesterday, on their way to Cairo, with weapons and bombs? 3.000 were arrested yesterday... Above that, the Gaza wall with all that holes, and that so called hungry people, are NOT such a big issue in Egypt. Another example about the differences in media representation...
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
Border crisis bolsters Islamists
In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood and secular political groups rally for Gazans -- and against Mubarak.
By Jeffrey Fleishman, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer January 29, 2008
CAIRO -- Egypt's main Islamist party and other opposition groups are strengthening their appeal by using images of desperate Palestinians streaming out of the Gaza Strip to provoke wider protests against President Hosni Mubarak's 26-year-old government.
Demonstrations in Cairo and throughout the country by the Muslim Brotherhood and other political groups ostensibly have been staged to declare Egyptian solidarity with the residents of Gaza. But they are also aimed at weakening Mubarak, whom the groups accuse of oppression and criticize for economic shortcomings and close ties to Washington.
It is political theater punctuated with dangerous rhetoric. Mubarak's vast intelligence and security forces are attempting to prevent pro-Palestinian protests from erupting into sustained nationwide anti-government rallies. But the Muslim Brotherhood and Kifaya, Arabic for "Enough," an umbrella opposition group of leftists and nationalists, are determined to make just that happen. The Muslim Brotherhood has sponsored 80 demonstrations since Wednesday, when hundreds of thousands of Gazans began pouring into Egypt through a breached border wall.
The Muslim Brotherhood, which favors a government guided by Islamic law, known as Sharia, has a platform of nonviolence but has been accused over the years of bombings and other militant acts.. Despite the arrests of hundreds of its members, the group enjoys extensive support among the poor and middle class and poses the nation's most significant political threat to Mubarak's ruling National Democratic Party.
The Palestinian cause is the crystallizing passion in the Arab world, but the Gaza border crisis has brought new urgency to a public relations battle between Islamists and secular governments, especially in Egypt. It has also demonstrated that Hamas, the militant Islamist party that controls Gaza and is ideologically linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, remains a major factor in the future Palestinian equation, contrary to the wishes of the U.S., Egypt, Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
At the Rafah border crossing Monday, Hamas cooperated for the first time with an Egyptian effort to reassert control over the frontier. Egyptian guards and Hamas forces coordinated security and used concrete and barbed wire to close at least two gaps in the barrier opened by explosions. At least four gaps remained open, including two for cars.
Thousands of Palestinians went back and forth. Traffic, thinned by rain Sunday, was heavier Monday but down from last week's massive levels. Shoppers, however, found little to buy in the Egyptian Sinai, where prices began rising and the government limited the availability of goods.
While Egyptian authorities debated how to further shrink the number of Palestinians in Sinai, they also concentrated on domestic dissent. Police in recent days have broken up a number of protests and arrested scores of Muslim Brotherhood members and Kifaya activists.
Opposition groups in Egypt have historically been disparate, with various religious and secular agendas and lacking a unifying spirit other than disdain for Mubarak's government, which receives nearly $2 billion a year in U.S. aid and upholds an unpopular peace treaty with Israel.
The current political maneuverings between the government and opposition come as this nation of 73 million people is enduring persistent inflation, shrinking government subsidies and budget deficits.
The outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, whose members ran as independents and won about 20% of the seats in Parliament in 2005, said its chief aim is to support Palestinians and condemn U.S. and Israeli policies. But the organization acknowledged that the protests had grown wider in scope. Banners in a Cairo demonstration of 2,000 protesters last week included slogans sympathetic toward Palestinians and vitriolic against Egypt, such as "A Country Without Justice."
"The regime dealt brutally with demonstrators because it is concerned about domestic stability," said Abdel Moneim Abul Fotouh, a Muslim Brotherhood leader. "The regime knows that there is public outrage for other reasons including inflation, unemployment and other accumulated problems. It fears that things will explode."
Egyptians are "terribly depressed by the domestic situation and want to express themselves by any means," said George Ishaq, a Kifaya leader. "They seized [the Gaza border dispute] as a chance to express their views."
Mohammed Sayed Said, deputy head of the Al Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies in Cairo, said support for the Palestinians is giving the Muslim Brotherhood "a great deal of legitimacy."
"They're anti-Israeli and anti-American. They see themselves as the most vehement resistors, and this is a big payoff for them. They have been very clear in focusing on the Palestinian issue," he said.
Mubarak, for his part, is attempting to show that he is just as roused as the Islamists over what he calls Israel's "collective punishment" of Palestinians. The president criticized Israel for retaliating against Hamas missile strikes with a fuel blockade of Gaza; days later, Hamas blew the holes in the border wall. Mubarak has received praise across the Arab world for allowing upward of 500,000 Palestinians to shop for supplies and unwind in Sinai.
The main problem the 79-year-old Mubarak faces in the Arab street, however, is his grudging support of U.S. and Israeli policies that isolated Hamas after the group seized Gaza from Fatah, the faction of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. Egypt was wary of Hamas exporting militants, but the containment strategy, which included economic sanctions, failed.
The Rafah crossing was largely open until militants burrowed under Gaza's border with Israel and captured Israeli Cpl. Gilad Shalit in June 2006. The Israelis tightened Gaza's borders in response. A year later, when Hamas fighters routed Fatah forces and took control of Gaza, the frontier was sealed.
"You cannot go back to that same policy," Said said. "Egypt does not want to recognize Hamas as a legitimate government in Gaza. But you just can't leave a total vacuum. Egypt's concerned about extremists, but you can't clash with Palestinians [crossing the border]. You don't want to look like Israel at all."
A slight readjustment appears to be underway. Aside from cooperating on limiting border traffic Monday, Hamas is expected to send a delegation to Egypt on Wednesday to discuss ending the crisis. That's the same day officials from the rival Palestinian Authority, whose forces Mubarak would prefer control the border crossing, will travel to Cairo for a separate meeting.
A central question in coming months will be Egypt's long-term relationship with Hamas and how the militant group will fit into a new Palestinian-Israeli peace initiative spurred by the Bush administration. Most Egyptians are skeptical of the peace effort, regarding it as a hurried plan by a lame-duck U.S. president that may embarrass their nation and other regional U.S. allies.
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Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
quote:Originally posted by karla: copy and paste
Is this all what you have to say to the subject, karla? Is all what you can ever do on this forum is to critisize others? Where is your opinion?
Thankfully some people will indeed read the article because it's crucial to the current situation.
You should start reading, karla, not complaining! Yadda yadda!!
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Egypt has been placed between the two parties unwanted. They are under pressure from the inside by their oppostition and from the outside, by every country that is pro-Palestines. Now they want to force Egypt in the direction they want, the way politics work. From one side the image from a hungry starving Palestinian population is not true, from the other side Israel is be able to do what they like to do, what also isn't right either. Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood are partners, and they will use this oppurtunity to make the MB stronger. If the Muslim Brotherhood will get important influence in Egyptian politics, the situation will change completely, in national and international politics. I don't believe it will better the situation as it is right now...
Posted by karla (Member # 5472) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tigerlily:
quote:Originally posted by karla: copy and paste
Is this all what you have to say to the subject, karla? Is all what you can ever do on this forum is to critisize others? Where is your opinion?
Thankfully some people will indeed read the article because it's crucial to the current situation.
You should start reading, karla, not complaining! Yadda yadda!!
since when doing copy and paste means that you expressed your opinion? Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
Karla, please do yourself a favor, go and cook your pilaf.... your replies bore me to death!
This was OFF TOPIC. Posted by karla (Member # 5472) on :
off topic....get a life ...and go cook for your children p.s. you are even more boring then me...copy/paste Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
Honey it's 6:45 p.m. and we already had dinner. Earlier for lunch we had spaghettis with tomato sauce - my kids favourite! After that they had lots of fresh air outside on the playground and the older ones did even homework believe it or not. Now they are already changed and playing/drawing.
So why don't you get a life, have kids.... and see how it is to have a family? You should be seriously looking for a husband, your biological clock is ticking away tick-tack tick-tack! You should not sit on Egyptsearch.com but Mansearch.com!! Posted by Expecto Patronum (Alchemist) (Member # 12318) on :
Posted by Vader (Member # 14189) on :
Let's all cook together in bees. And spank some babies while we're at it.
Posted by karla (Member # 5472) on :
You only presume that I haven't husband!!! by the way...last "advice" which you gave it to me...try with someone else Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
How old are you?
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
For all I could care is that you are still a virgin, karla, and virgins are worshipped in Egypt so you still have chances! Posted by Korvin's (Member # 14099) on :
TL is bitching around for the first time I ever see that, she is worn out of acting like the moral lady she is not and now gettting fuucking personal right ahead .... Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
Korvin, why do you still try to contact me by PM? Stop it, wallahy I am not KeepingItReal..... hasta la vista, baby!!
Oh btw just in case for everyone to remember it wasn't ME who took this thread off topic!!
Posted by Korvin's (Member # 14099) on :
I just am dying to see you getting brave enough to confess you are a zionist which you really are.
P.S. May you post the content of the PM I sent you please LOL
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tigerlily: Korvin, why do you still try to contact me by PM? Stop it, wallahy I am not KeepingItReal..... hasta la vista, baby!!
Oh btw just in case for everyone to remember it wasn't ME who took this thread off topic!!
Then go back ON TOPIC !!! The same for korvin's and karla... Playingquarter is over...
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
actually some people do read TL's post Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Good girl! The strange thing is, that Egyptians are not worried at all about this incidents. Of course, when you're welcoming thousands of people who haven't been able to get goods they couldn't get for a long time, all kinds of people are under them; also thieves...maybe worse! The feeling of compassion that we are having, is not that strong by them. Maybe something to think about...
Posted by maxman (Member # 12150) on :
What a mess!There must be border security,other wise this chaos will get out of control!I have nothing against refugees coming to egypt for help,but this is becoming too political as HAMAS Has proved that they are a power to be reckoned with,and Egypt doesnt need that hassle,she has enough.Egypt should seriously consider in building a proper concrete wall with Gaza,i say this from a pure sense of security.
Posted by lovingmylife (Member # 13695) on :
It's good sometimes to hear what Jews think on this subject.
Very interesting, keep informing.
karla all c & p inserted here will be deleted.
Posted by karla (Member # 5472) on :
quote:Originally posted by maxman: What a mess!There must be border security,other wise this chaos will get out of control!I have nothing against refugees coming to egypt for help,but this is becoming too political as HAMAS Has proved that they are a power to be reckoned with,and Egypt doesnt need that hassle,she has enough.Egypt should seriously consider in building a proper concrete wall with Gaza,i say this from a pure sense of security.
Every cause has an effect...in this case effect was that thousands of Palestinians broke through the border to fill up on fuel, food and other supplies. Instead of building walls would be better to eliminate the cause which created those events.
Posted by lovingmylife (Member # 13695) on :
It's becoming too political because Palestinians will not be starved to death as planned.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
There is a theory that this could become a step to peace,made unconsciencly by Hamas:
This conflict in fact started as a conflict between the Arabs and Israeli. The territory was part of a British mandate where two states should arise: an Arabic and an Israeli. The Arabs did not agree in this and the start of the conflict was Arabs against Israeli's.
Gaza belonged to the ottomanian empire untill 1917, afterwards it became under Britisch mandate and after that, in 1949,Egypt occupied it.After the sixday war in 1967, it became occupied by Israel.
Yasser Arafat came and made the conclict Palestians against Israeli. The Arab countries and the Russians supported the Palestinians, and they developed a new industry: terror. A cruel form of people were invented; Palestinians into terrorism, and as a result on this, the Israeli answered in the same way.
The Egyptian gouvernment does not want, and never did want the Gazastrip back. Even after Camp David they refused. Of course you have to be a little crazy to want the Palestinian area's to become a part of your country, because where the Palestinians arise, at least trouble comes with them, more likely a civil war.
The Jihad started late in the last century, after the Iranian revolution. The fight wasn't any longer based on nationalistic and arabic feelings, but on political Islam, and this considers only the existence of a state like Israel unacceptable. Khomeiny called Israel a cancerous tumour into the body of Islam. The new opinion became that Israel had to be destroyed.
In 2005 Israel left the Gazastrip, and since then Hamas dominates the area. The separationwall between Egypt and Gaza has been sabotaged by Hamas.
A beautifull action! Gaza has to become part of Egypt again, like it was before. The people are speaking the same language, many of them had an Egyptian passport, and all Arab countries that claim to love the Palestines that much, can prove their love to them. EU has to encourage Egypt to make Gaza Egypt again.
Of course Egypt will treat Hamas in a hard way, but this will never reach European media, at least not in the way it goes right now, because there are no Jews involved.
After a number of years the Palestinians also will discover the EU and UN aidfunds. They will learn how to work, and how to get education. After that they will use their knowledge to make two states again, and Egypt will be happy to give Gaza back to them. With wisdom they will go as the whole world wants them to go now.
Egypt has to show guts and wisdom, it's a realistic change on peace.
But; Egyptian gouvernment does not like muslim-fundamentalists, just like EU does not encourage them to do so. So, misery will least forever...
Posted by lovingmylife (Member # 13695) on :
I think US should donate one State of America to Jews exclusively.
Only one State is not going to harm the rest of United States, they should be generous and give it up for the sake of world peace.
Palestinians could finally live free in their own homeland and everyone is happy.
Posted by Strangeways (Member # 14752) on :
Indeed, it would create an extremely interesting situation if Israel formally ceded Gaza back to Egypt, recognizing Egyptian sovereignty there as it prevailed before 1967. What would that do for the push for a Palestinian state? Would Bush-Rice insist that the Mubarak regime relinquish Gaza to the sovereignty of the Palestinians?
Arabs throughout the world rejoice as Israel signals desire to cede it to Egypt
AP- Saudi officials indicated they would provide a package of grants and loans to the Egyptian government as Gaza was warmly received back into its territory. President Mubarak announced the deal was finalized this week, and was clearly elated to have the Gaza Strip back under Egyptian control. Muslim leaders throughout the Islamic world signaled their support and congratulations.
**NEWSFLASH OVER**
Israel needs to set a cutoff date. Gaza is Egypt's problem now.
Posted by Strangeways (Member # 14752) on :
Israel should react in a 'Pavlovian' manner to rocket attacks. At each attack, cut water and electricity for a brief period, say 6 hours, so the Palestinians will percieve the cutoffs as a direct consequence of the attacks, not as some brutal punishment.
That should trigger a clear, popular reaction against the terrorist groups.
Every time anything gets shot into Israel from Gaza then Israel has the right to respond. Hamas is lobbing mortars and using snipers to attack civilians indiscrimiately. The right to self-defense is a basic human right and a basic right to any sovereign nation.
Try to imagine it at the local level, even at the level of the street you live in. Imagine that someone on your block sits in his house, receiving strange shipments from chemical companies, and he is already known -the police have told you they have reason to believe, but for some reason have not obtained a search warrant and gone in, that his house is loaded with assault weapons -Kalashnikovs, bazookas, home-made rockets. Oh, and another thing. Apparently he is a great reader and collector of hate literature, from the Nazis on up, down, and sideways, and has repeatedly attacked any neighbor who comes near his house, and has repeatedly been driven away, in the middle of the night, while attempting to vandalize or damage the cars and houses up and down the block. There are unsolved rapes and murders in the town, and the police tell you he is the prime suspect, but still they haven't quite managed to arrive at the stage of arresting him, or even of criticizing him.
And you have built, at your own expense, a power generator, which you have generously agreed-you did so a while back- to let various neighbors on the block, including this particular neighbor, use. But he has gotten into the habit of sending his rockets in the direction of your house, and you and your children are fearful of stepping outside as you once did. And finally you decide to remove him from the electricity grid,the one supplied by your very own generator. And he yells about your "persection" and "oppression".
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
This is a bit to one-sighted to me. Because when the whole block knows that my house is an impregnable blockhouse, packed up from cellar to the point of the roof with the most modern weapons and a high number of armed forces to serve all this. If the need would become too high, then I have a friend who lives around the corner, which is possibly even better armed, and its power influences the complete city. I see it like this...
The Israeli's have done a low of wrong, and they still do. For me they are no better as the ones they are fighting against. And they get protected, they can do whatever they like, whenever they like, without any bad consequences on world-level.
No,no,no....
In fact it isn't about who is right and who is wrong in this issue. Not anymore. To much has happened. The only thing what all have to have in mind is solute the problem....
Posted by maxman (Member # 12150) on :
quote:Originally posted by lovingmylife: I think US should donate one State of America to Jews exclusively.
Only one State is not going to harm the rest of United States, they should be generous and give it up for the sake of world peace.
Palestinians could finally live free in their own homeland and everyone is happy.
WELL,If the US donates a state for the israelis then let IRAN or Saudi donate a state to the palestenians so that the whole world can have peace from those Two War mongers!!
Posted by Somewhere in the sands (Member # 13869) on :
Listen Saudia Araiba, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, and Egypt is more than happy and willing to take care of it's on Muslim Brethren i.e. the Palestians.
If Israel reliquishes control completely and I mean completely you will see the Arabs step in immediately and take care of it's own. Not to mention the Millions of Arabs living in the West and Europe who would love to send aid i.e. money to their brothers and sisters.
Come on Israel let go!..Give control over to the Palestians completely! They won't because they're scared.
Posted by Bastet*Loves*Ptah (Member # 13948) on :
And who could blame them? In this everybody is guilty.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Think so, SITS? Untill now, what has been showed in case of humatitary aid to Palestinians? Not in words, but in deeds? Raising price-levels by shopping-vistis is NOT giving aid. Supply help when there is need inside these walls should be giving aid.... What exactly are the countries you need doing for their Palestinian brothers and sisters? Giving weapons is no aid...
Posted by Somewhere in the sands (Member # 13869) on :
quote:Originally posted by ?????: Think so, SITS? Untill now, what has been showed in case of humatitary aid to Palestinians? Not in words, but in deeds? Raising price-levels by shopping-vistis is NOT giving aid. Supply help when there is need inside these walls should be giving aid.... What exactly are the countries you need doing for their Palestinian brothers and sisters? Giving weapons is no aid...
Aid can't get throught because the Israels are blocking it! They block and control the sea ports, the road ways, the airports you name it!
Let them reliquish complete control and see what happens! They won't, because they use it as their threat and intimidation against the Palestians.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
I don't know, this is typical an excuse. I think, when there would be need indeed, no Israel or any other country would be able to hold that measure, because the UN would interfere, it is humanitary aid!!! It's just an excuse that can be heard from both sides...
Posted by Somewhere in the sands (Member # 13869) on :
quote:Originally posted by ?????: I don't know, this is typical an excuse. I think, when there would be need indeed, no Israel or any other country would be able to hold that measure, because the UN would interfere, it is humanitary aid!!! It's just an excuse that can be heard from both sides...
The UN? The UN can't even get Israel to comply with the UN Resolutions slapped against them. Does UNR 242 ring a bell? Now more than 40 years old! Do you think Israel gives a rats butt about the UN or the International Community?
Surely your joking?
You must be still waiting for the Bushman to slapped additonal sanctions against Israel or threaten them with war? Wait a Minute. The USA having slapped them with one sanction, not ONE sanction yet for disobeying the UN and after 40 years I seriously doubt if it will ever happen.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
I know about the UN resolutions that are ignored by Israel... But there is a difference. I was talking about purely humanitary aid, and that's different. It's difficult to defend a refusement to feed hungry people, to give medications, etc. Giving and sharing without any politically in mind, nobody could refuse this!!! I am against every act of war where innocent civilians are dupated, no matter which nationality they might have... Organisations like Doctors Without Borders, Red Cross/Red Half Moon, etc.... They are not politically involved, they just offer help to civilians who are in need...
Posted by Vader (Member # 14189) on :
quote:Originally posted by maxman:
quote:Originally posted by lovingmylife: I think US should donate one State of America to Jews exclusively.
Only one State is not going to harm the rest of United States, they should be generous and give it up for the sake of world peace.
Palestinians could finally live free in their own homeland and everyone is happy.
WELL,If the US donates a state for the israelis then let IRAN or Saudi donate a state to the palestenians so that the whole world can have peace from those Two War mongers!!
Great ideas, then I'll go take over Palestine when it's all empty.
Posted by elizabethN (Member # 14096) on :
queen of the copy and paste Ms know it all!
Posted by lovingmylife (Member # 13695) on :
This copy and paste material will be deleted. It's just a waste of time.
For the poster above who made a comment on my comment about giving up one US State to Jews.
Sir - Palestinians were born in Palestine before Jews came over after the country was given to them as a gift and re-named into "Israel". Out of feeling sorry as they were country less.
There is no such thing as Israel.
There is only a Palestine.
So giving up one State woud resolve the issue and there would be no reasons to incite hate and wars into that Region again.
All aid would go to US because they would fund their own Jewish State.
In fact, maybe funds given would be not needed as such. Or would be given to someone who needs it more.
Posted by lovingmylife (Member # 13695) on :
???? lady your comments on Palestinians are very insensitive.
It is the 2nd page and you still don't have a sense of reality.
You clearly deny their suffering and you even go as far as to say all this is a lie.
This kind of thinking is highly unusual.
Most Europeans do understand Palestinian issue.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Well, some people never learn, LML.
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
quote:Originally posted by newcomer: The thing is that the Palestinians have not been allowed into Egypt proper, just the Egyptian part of Rafah. They can only go as far as Arish and not actually into the rest of Egypt. It seems as if they are in a bit of a no-man's land, out of Gaza, but not fully into Egypt.
Remember the pilgrims who got stuck? They were stuck at Arish trying to get back into Gaza, not in Rafah.
So all Egypt has actually done is allowed them to come into a no-man's land to do some shopping and spend all their money; which admittedly is a good thing, but its not as good as it appears on the surface. Is it ever?
I totally agree, Egypt and the Arabs don't do anywhere near enough for Palestine. So sad.
Posted by gab (Member # 14577) on :
quote:Originally posted by Korvin's: I just am dying to say,- getting brave enough to confess I am a faggot which I really are.
P.S. May you post the content of the PM I sent you please Im not into woman LOL
I always knew Posted by Vader (Member # 14189) on :
Lol.
Posted by gab (Member # 14577) on :
quote:Originally posted by lovingmylife: This copy and paste material will be deleted. It's just a waste of time.
For the poster above who made a comment on my comment about giving up one US State to Jews.
Sir - Palestinians were born in Palestine before Jews came over after the country was given to them as a gift and re-named into "Israel". Out of feeling sorry as they were country less.
There is no such thing as Israel.
There is only a Palestine.
So giving up one State woud resolve the issue and there would be no reasons to incite hate and wars into that Region again.
All aid would go to US because they would fund their own Jewish State.
In fact, maybe funds given would be not needed as such. Or would be given to someone who needs it more.
Try read some more history Palestine" is a name created by the British--there never has been a land called Palestine or a people called Palestinians. If you take a look at history you will see that back then--the Arabs actually resented the name.
Gods promise to the Jews was forever--even with allowing a dispersion of Jews through out the world Gods promise was to bring them back to their land and this began in 1948 and continues to this day.
Believe what you will but God will not allow Israel to be defeated and the state of the world and the end of the world rests on the small country of Israel.
If you dont believe--explain how a newly formed country (Israel) managed to defeat all those Arab countrys in 1948 in the war that was decalred by the Arab nations the day after Israel declared itself a state? Israel did not have the military it has today and the out-going British actually aided the Arabs. Even before ww2, arab nations did not recognize the jew even it is stated in their koran, that the promised land will be given to the jews, until god will revoked its promised to the israelites. so who cares about the arabs. it is written and destined to be land of the jews so be it.
Posted by gab (Member # 14577) on :
"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"
"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."
"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."
[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]
Posted by gab (Member # 14577) on :
God wanted to give Avraham a double blessing, through Ishmael and through Isaac, and ordered that Ishmael's descendents should live in the desert of Arabia and Isaac's in Canaan.
The Qur'an recognizes the Land of Israel as the heritage of the Jews and it explains that, before the Last Judgment, Jews will return to dwell there. This prophecy has already been fulfilled.
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
quote:Originally posted by gab:
quote:Originally posted by Korvin's: I just am dying to say,- getting brave enough to confess I am a faggot which I really are.
P.S. May you post the content of the PM I sent you please Im not into woman LOL
I always knew
Gab got a little creative here, well done!!! Posted by Strangeways (Member # 14752) on :
PA's Message: In English – Coexist; In Arabic – Destroy Israel
(IsraelNN.com) The Palestinian Authority (PA) is delivering two very different messages to the Western and Arab world. The message to the West, declared in English in front of media microphones and cameras, glorifies an independent Palestinian state coexisting peacefully beside Israel.
But according to documented videos of PA TV programs monitored by Palestinian Media Watch (PMW), the PA is telling its Arab audience that there will be no Israel at all, rather one large Arab Palestine will rule the entirety of Israel.
[...] PMW Director Itamar Marcus explains that translated speeches and interviews of Palestinian leaders reveal their true intentions. Even "moderate" PA leaders have no intention of actually making peace with Israel or even recognizing its right to exist. Marcus says that hate-filled messages are rampant in PA culture and even in children's textbooks, which tell young minds that Islam demands the destruction of Israel. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125135
Nothing new in this, of course. Arafat was a master at it. If they play this double game long enough, the PA will have neither a state, nor peace, nor coexistence, nor triumph, nor advance, nor hope.
Posted by lovingmylife (Member # 13695) on :
What's going on to happen next to Palestinians and Jews?
Let's evaluate:
First stage: Jewish people were living under German military occupation in Europe. Everyday Jews were suffering German brutality.
Jews were victims of German people. German people were persecutors. Germans lost Jews survived.
2nd Stage: ( shocking ) Victims who were persecuted become persecutors.
Palestinians are currently living under Jewish military occupation. Everyday Palestinians are suffering Jewish brutality.
Palestinians are victims of Jewish people. Jewish people are persecutors. Jews will lose Palestinians will survive.
3rd stage: Jewish people will be living under Palestinian or some other military occupation. Everyday Jews will be suffering Palestinian or some other nation brutality.
Jews will be victims of Palestinians or some other nation. Palestinians or some other nation will be persecutors. Palestinians will lose ( maybe ) Jews will survive ( maybe ).
Now the questions are:
1. Will Palestinians persecute Jews? 2. Will Palestinians resist genocide? 3. Will Palestinians stop the repetition of killing cycle?
( Jews are somehow making sure that Palestinians chose genocide eventually, because they try really hard to create enough anger towards themselves, and create a deep desire for their own persecution )
- Jews start conflicts so they can feel 'victimized'. - Jews create conflicts so people persecute them. - Once this takes place, Jews feel like a victim to confirm their beliefs.
Questions:
1. Will Jews if persecuted again create another conflict to confirm victim role again? 2. Will Jews survive 2nd persecution if this takes place? 3. Why Jews are unable to stop the need for being a victim? 4. Why Jews create own persecution? For what?
- Now as you can notice, Germans did not go further. - Germans were persecutors and the cycle is over. - Palestinians are just chosen by random. It could be any other nation.
Clearly this is about Jews and their very deep need for victimization and own persecution.
Jews seem to want to punish & persecute themselves for 'something' they feel bad about. This is clearly shown in above stages.
They clearly are self-destructive Nation who deep down dislike themselves and is unable to stop own persecution.
They feel "shame" for something that took place in the past and they want to be punished for it, or punish themselves for it collectively. It could be rooted deeply in the past.
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