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Akshar is right indeed, but you could also try this, and it applies to ALL men:
Ask him to give you ALL his email passwords!!!!!!!
Be ready to do the same....Everything in the open. If his emails are in arabic LET HIM KNOW YOU WANT to have THEM TRANSLATED.
If there is nothing to hide he will AGREE. How will you find out if he has given you ALL, that's another story. Maybe some members could come up with bright ideas?
;-)
Good luck!
Monica
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Originally posted by rivergirl2:
I just want to know more about the egyptian men.........I hear the good and i hear the bad.......I have heard some of them are players and some of them are not....How do I know if i am getting played?
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Originally posted by Monica:
Hello,Akshar is right indeed, but you could also try this, and it applies to ALL men:
Ask him to give you ALL his email passwords!!!!!!!
Be ready to do the same....Everything in the open. If his emails are in arabic LET HIM KNOW YOU WANT to have THEM TRANSLATED.
If there is nothing to hide he will AGREE. How will you find out if he has given you ALL, that's another story. Maybe some members could come up with bright ideas?
;-)Good luck!
Monica
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Monica,
this is too much, too pushing moreover if they know each other just 2 hours.
Rivergirl,
You will understand anyway whether he plays with you or not just try not to fall in love too deeply, try to keep fresh brains.
I support Akshar. The thing is the more girls they have the more skilled in playing with girls they are.
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Originally posted by Monica:
Ask him to give you ALL his email passwords!!!!!!!
Would you give all your passwords to your man? I don't know whether I would...
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These are my personal standards: no hanky panky on the side, or online, no games, no fooling around and it goes both ways.
I appreciate the clear, open, straight, honest relationship. I don't go for any double standards, I am an educated intelligent woman, and I have my high standards on relationships. If my man doesn't like it although I will treat him as an equal, then : tashakorate affandem, meaning: Thanks but no thanks, GOODBYE, asta la vista baby!
But again, these are My standards!
I meant all this in case the relationship is a long term one not after 2 hours.
Salam
Monica
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Originally posted by Aaliyah:
Would you give all your passwords to your man? I don't know whether I would...
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Originally posted by Aaliyah:
Would you give all your passwords to your man? I don't know whether I would...
Yes he has all my passwords and i have all of his....I have known him longer that 2 hours....Its more like 3 months....He is very sweet to me but i seen something in his offline messages i dont think i ever should have seen....We spend most of the evening talking online and now that i have confronted him about the situtation and told him i never wanted to talk to him or see him... he beggedn me and it took me 2 days to talk to him....i am still not over it but i think i am beign played and i am getting hurt over it....
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Originally posted by rivergirl2:
Yes he has all my passwords and i have all of his....I have known him longer that 2 hours....Its more like 3 months....He is very sweet to me but i seen something in his offline messages i dont think i ever should have seen....We spend most of the evening talking online and now that i have confronted him about the situtation and told him i never wanted to talk to him or see him... he beggedn me and it took me 2 days to talk to him....i am still not over it but i think i am beign played and i am getting hurt over it....
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Originally posted by aischa:
Hi rivergirl,
try to go in touch with me again....Lets talk about, but nor at this forum!
with all my love from aischa
Hi Aischa....I would like to talk to you more about this...You can email me at rivergirl2@sbcglobal.net.......I hope to hear from you soon
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Originally posted by rivergirl2:
I just want to know more about the egyptian men.........I hear the good and i hear the bad.......I have heard some of them are players and some of them are not....How do I know if i am getting played?
I am an Egyption man and lived in USA for more than 16 years, I can help you more if you are specific about the what you really looking for. there are players and serious people every where you go not just Egyption regarding the last question you have in you message, it's easy to find out.
Please let me know if you need more help, takecare
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Originally posted by rivergirl2:
Hi Aischa....I would like to talk to you more about this...You can email me at rivergirl2@sbcglobal.net.......I hope to hear from you soon
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Originally posted by nls150:
I am an Egyption man and lived in USA for more than 16 years, I can help you more if you are specific about the what you really looking for. there are players and serious people every where you go not just Egyption regarding the last question you have in you message, it's easy to find out.
Please let me know if you need more help, takecare
It's not easy to know if Egyptian guy is a player or serious. I will tell you something about the girls I dated here in USA, so many of them were player, looking for just to have fun, but when you try to be serious with them. they ran away. So, believe me, not just guys or girls Egyptian or not. All the same all you have to do is to take your time and be serious about. Good luck
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Originally posted by rivergirl2:
I just want to know more about the egyptian men.........I hear the good and i hear the bad.......I have heard some of them are players and some of them are not....How do I know if i am getting played?
How come no girls like to be serious in USA?
I hope to find a serious guy...=.=
Fox
Thanks, my email address is:
tiramisuplace@yahoo.com
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Originally posted by nls150:
Hi rivergirl2,It's not easy to know if Egyptian guy is a player or serious. I will tell you something about the girls I dated here in USA, so many of them were player, looking for just to have fun, but when you try to be serious with them. they ran away. So, believe me, not just guys or girls Egyptian or not. All the same all you have to do is to take your time and be serious about. Good luck
You are in for a feast of emails!
Best regards,
Monica
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Originally posted by tiramisu:
I just met an Egyptian men recently and I have no idea what goes on in his mind. I wish to know more about Egyptian men. Can I get some more advice from any of the Egyptian men here?Thanks, my email address is:
tiramisuplace@yahoo.com
I too have recently met someone and really think he is genuine,well I did until I read this bulletin board. I met mine on holiday with my boyfriend, although our relationship was all but over and is now as he has gone off travelling for a year. He was the tour leader, one day we were out as a group one day and he had an accident and had to be taken to hospital, to have stitches. Anyway we became really good friends over the last week I was there, as I went with him for all trips to hospital to have bandages changed and stitches removed etc
We spoke a lot about our families, relationships etc but he never made a play for me we just became good friends. We swapped numbers and I text him to let him know I got home safe and sound. That was 6 weeks ago and we've basically text each other every day since and had a few phone calls, and now I'm going out to visit and stay with him in Luxor.
I guess now I'm just feeling a bit nervous as I've never done anything like this before I don't know anyone else out there, however I do believe I am a good judge of character and truly believe he's a sincere and decent guy, just reading this has made me nervous. I know you can't tell me what the guy is really like, but so many of you seem to have so many stories or knowledge of these situations, I'd really appreciate your opinions and knowledge/experiences.
Thanks in advance
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I really hope you discover Egypt and all its beauty and magic
Your 'friend' may be absolutely different from all the ones described on this board, and after all, who are we to judge someone we don't know? It would'nt be fair to both of you.
BUT.....
Be very careful. And remember the following:
Decent Egyptian men don't ask women to 'stay' with them, they don't ask for money or gifts, and they don't make up stories of misery.
If he even 'hints' around these subjects: RUN!!!!
Seriously, I hope you are staying in a hotel on your own!
Most importantly: DISCOVER EGYPT...for real!
Best of luck, and have a super but 'lucid' time!
Monica
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Originally posted by DiscoverEgypt:
Hi Tiramisu / MonicaI too have recently met someone and really think he is genuine,well I did until I read this bulletin board. I met mine on holiday with my boyfriend, although our relationship was all but over and is now as he has gone off travelling for a year. He was the tour leader, one day we were out as a group one day and he had an accident and had to be taken to hospital, to have stitches. Anyway we became really good friends over the last week I was there, as I went with him for all trips to hospital to have bandages changed and stitches removed etc
We spoke a lot about our families, relationships etc but he never made a play for me we just became good friends. We swapped numbers and I text him to let him know I got home safe and sound. That was 6 weeks ago and we've basically text each other every day since and had a few phone calls, and now I'm going out to visit and stay with him in Luxor.I guess now I'm just feeling a bit nervous as I've never done anything like this before I don't know anyone else out there, however I do believe I am a good judge of character and truly believe he's a sincere and decent guy, just reading this has made me nervous. I know you can't tell me what the guy is really like, but so many of you seem to have so many stories or knowledge of these situations, I'd really appreciate your opinions and knowledge/experiences.
Thanks in advance
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Thanks for the advice, I use the name Discovery Egypt as we did this whole three week tour, all the way from Cairo, Aswan, Abu Simbel to Dahab etc. I was going to stay in a hotel as I've already been to Luxor before, and can use the hotel I stayed at before, as he has his own house but it's being renovated, so currently still lives with his mum, however he said if the house is finished I can stay with him. He's very westernised as has lived in Belguim for quite some time, as he was with a Belgium girl for five years. I really appreciate the advice though. There's no way I would go over there if a) I hadn't already met him and b) been there before, so hopefully it should be OK
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Originally posted by Monica:
Hello there!I really hope you discover Egypt and all its beauty and magic
Your 'friend' may be absolutely different from all the ones described on this board, and after all, who are we to judge someone we don't know? It would'nt be fair to both of you.
BUT.....
Be very careful. And remember the following:
Decent Egyptian men don't ask women to 'stay' with them, they don't ask for money or gifts, and they don't make up stories of misery.
If he even 'hints' around these subjects: RUN!!!!
Seriously, I hope you are staying in a hotel on your own!
Most importantly: DISCOVER EGYPT...for real!
Best of luck, and have a super but 'lucid' time!
Monica
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Originally posted by DiscoverEgypt:
hi MonicaThanks for the advice, I use the name Discovery Egypt as we did this whole three week tour, all the way from Cairo, Aswan, Abu Simbel to Dahab etc. I was going to stay in a hotel as I've already been to Luxor before, and can use the hotel I stayed at before, as he has his own house but it's being renovated, so currently still lives with his mum, however he said if the house is finished I can stay with him. He's very westernised as has lived in Belguim for quite some time, as he was with a Belgium girl for five years. I really appreciate the advice though. There's no way I would go over there if a) I hadn't already met him and b) been there before, so hopefully it should be OK
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Thanks for this, it's always nice to hear a positive story. I don't believe you can tar a whole nation with the same brush, if you could I truely believe the guys in London and Uk would not come out well either. I am keeping my head screwed on with this one, and seeing this bulletin board has definitely prepared me somewhat more. I found all Egyptian people to be extremely friendly and was very surprised to find they had the same sense dry sense of humour as us, not at all like I was lead to believe in the guidebooks. I'm not saying anything will happen with this guy, regardless I have a new but very nice friend, in a new country, which I must admit along with thousands of others I fell in love with, it's beautiful. Which is another reason I'm going back - not just for him
Who knows though - maybe like you I'll be one of the lucky ones .... maybe.
I will keep checking the board, and let you know how it goes when I get back
Thanks again
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Originally posted by akshar:
Well I wish you the best of luck. You never know what may happen and you could be one of the positive stories. Keep you head screwed on and using the information on this board and other boards to be as informed as possible and to anticipate any potential problems. At the end of the day statiscally some of these stories have to turn out alright and why shouldn't yours be one of them. Mine was.
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Something similar to what happened to you happened to me earlier on this year. Would you like us to talk about it by email? I can tell you about my own experience but I prefer to talk about it by email. It looks like you live in the UK (London?). You can contact me at chrysegypt@yahoo.co.uk
I don't know what hotel you are staying in, but unless the rate is low, check with me about what rate I can get you at the St. Josephs with the Cairo Hashers. I need to know your dates of travel though. OR... you could stay at Jane's place and that way you'd have someone looking out for you who you can talk to about this if you need.
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Jane I was hoping that perhaps I could speak with you - as you're a fellow English woman based in Luxor - so just in case there is a problem (not that I expect there to be - but it's always good to have a back up plan) so that I could contact you if need be.
I also wouldn't mind speaking to you just to get an idea of what is accepted and what's not. As when I was in Luxor previously I was with my tour group and they were all Western guys, so obviously this time it will be quite a bit different for me as now I'll be a single western girl with an Egptian guy even thought we're only friends - there's not a huge age difference I'm 28 he's 30, but there is the obvious culture difference, I'd like to know what to expect when I go over there so I can be prepared.
Thanks in to all for helpful advice - and Jane hopefully hear from you soon : )
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Originally posted by Debbie:
I don't know what hotel you are staying in, but unless the rate is low, check with me about what rate I can get you at the St. Josephs with the Cairo Hashers. I need to know your dates of travel though. OR... you could stay at Jane's place and that way you'd have someone looking out for you who you can talk to about this if you need.
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Of course I would be delighted to assist and be part of your backup plan. Please email me jane@flatsinluxor.co.uk
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Let me know if you like this deal.
Sounds like you are handling this smart. Congrats!
Jane I'll definitely mail you and find out more about what's acceptable, customs etc. I'll also bear in mind your flats as they do look rather nice.
Debbie - thanks for this rate sounds good, I'll find out more about where my friend lives and get back to you asap
Thanks for the comment too - Thought I'd try and keep my head and wits about me, but at the same time still enjoy the experience : )
Thanks again ladies - you're help is much appreciated.
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Originally posted by Debbie:
Sounds like you are handling this smart. Congrats![/B]
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Originally posted by nicky.b:
Hello Debby,Why do you say it's better not to go alone with that guy to his house,what can be the problem.I don't understand it.
But i can need your advice.i met an egyptian boy three months again.he always asks me to come back.Normally i go to egypt again in january.He told me to buy just a flight ticket and that i can stay with him.I found it a good idea but if i read your story i can better not do that and look for a hotel room.I'm a bit confused and i don't know what i have to think about my friend and all this.
Dear Nicky,
What can I say? Egypt isn't the west. I don't know where you are from, but Egypt is a different world, and while these boys you meet in the tourist resorts like to think of themselves as very westernized and of course they enjoy sleeping with all the girls that they can (as do western boys.... and girls... let's not just blame the boys.... western men/women/boys/girls find it common place to sleep around and don't think much of it). Anyway folks, I'm not playing judge and jury here.... do as you please, but Nicky, you need to beware of the implications if you do this. First, I don't know where your friend lives, that might make some difference, but regardless, Egyptians, IN GENERAL, I mean, EVEN the Highest class Egyptians, IN GENERAL don't mess around with anyone they really care about without being married to them. I don't know if you like this guy in a way that you'd be hurt if he never talked to you again after you left or if he only ever considered you good for "one thing", but if so, stay in a hotel. 100% sure, he isn't going to loose interest in you if you don't stay with him, IF he is interested in you now.
I didn't mean to indicate that there is a great danger if you stay with him, although it's slightly possible that something bad could happen.....not so much with him, but with lowlifes in the neighborhood that see you as a slut, living with this boy without being married, and assume you'd bonk anyone that comes to the door.... this isn't necessarily going to happen, but it's a possibility.
It's just so hard to explain to someone that hasn't spent much time in the culture here. Egypt is a country of contradictions, but in general, girls that travel alone are looked down on, and more than that, if you will stay with a man without being married to him, that is pretty much the stuff all gossip in Egypt is started from. You can probably count on being the topic of conversation among the neighborhood if you do take him up on his invitation.
What's worse, is that it's totally possible that if you don't know him really well, he might be married on top of it. I'm not saying this is the case with your guy, but it's possible.
There is one guy from Tanta that was talking to me this morning on Yahoo asking what I paid for my flat because his girlfriend is coming to Egypt and he wants to rent a flat for one month to stay with her. I really read him the riot act for being such a sleeze bag. I mean he wanted to rent a flat for only $200 for only one month. Any flat he could get short term for only $200 would be such a flea bag, the woman would have to be NUTS to stay there. YUK.
Anyway, I rambled and rambled about this. So much with your guy depends on where he lives and how well you know him, but in general again, I wouldn't encourage you to stay with ANY man in Egypt at his flat unless it is where his whole family lives and his mother and sisters are there as well. If they are there, then nothing would be going on between the two of you, and if anyone in the neighborhood suggested there was, his mother would fix that gossip very fast!
Monica, Laura, Nefertiti.... girls, come on and give her your side of this subject. What do you think?
Your advice is excellent, and truly reflecting your familiarity with the Egyptian mentality towards relationships within the past 10, 15 years. It was totally different during the Sadate era, by the way; and also different during the Nasser regime.
Mostly, the Egyptian mentality changes depending on CLASS, EDUCATION, POLITICAL REGIME and Geographics (Western influence through colonialization was stronger in some areas like Alexandria for example); and that would explain the contradictions in behaviour among the Egyptian people in general. Demographical changes within the past 20 years also have a great impact. Millions immigrated from their villages and brought their village traditions to the big cities.
Best regards always,
Monica
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Originally posted by Debbie:
Monica, Laura, Nefertiti.... girls, come on and give her your side of this subject. What do you think?
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My moto is DONT TRUST ANYBODY BUT YOURSELF.
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Originally posted by neighbour of jack:
I have lived in luxor for a few years if you need to contact me.My moto is DONT TRUST ANYBODY BUT YOURSELF.
NOJ- Being a female and living in Luxor, I bet you can give us some more insight into the mentality of the Luxor Egyptians regarding foreign women and their relationships with Egyptian men. Surely you have some good stories to tell? Why not help and enlighten Nickyb? Hearing it from you will have more impact than my saying that I heard this or that from my Luxor friends.
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Maybe this method will not suit everyone but theres some pure rats out there & that includes husbands.
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I mean honestly screenshots every 10m? 
Sorry but if I ever questioned my husband I darn sure would ask him about it & talk to him until I was convinced then to spy on him like that. If you are reduced to that perhaps it's time for you to ask yourself if you are truly in love, or just hanging on to a love that's lost?
Reguards,
HCL
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Originally posted by Debbie:
Dear Nicky,What can I say? Egypt isn't the west. I don't know where you are from, but Egypt is a different world, and while these boys you meet in the tourist resorts like to think of themselves as very westernized and of course they enjoy sleeping with all the girls that they can (as do western boys.... and girls... let's not just blame the boys.... western men/women/boys/girls find it common place to sleep around and don't think much of it). Anyway folks, I'm not playing judge and jury here.... do as you please, but Nicky, you need to beware of the implications if you do this. First, I don't know where your friend lives, that might make some difference, but regardless, Egyptians, IN GENERAL, I mean, EVEN the Highest class Egyptians, IN GENERAL don't mess around with anyone they really care about without being married to them. I don't know if you like this guy in a way that you'd be hurt if he never talked to you again after you left or if he only ever considered you good for "one thing", but if so, stay in a hotel. 100% sure, he isn't going to loose interest in you if you don't stay with him, IF he is interested in you now.
I didn't mean to indicate that there is a great danger if you stay with him, although it's slightly possible that something bad could happen.....not so much with him, but with lowlifes in the neighborhood that see you as a slut, living with this boy without being married, and assume you'd bonk anyone that comes to the door.... this isn't necessarily going to happen, but it's a possibility.
It's just so hard to explain to someone that hasn't spent much time in the culture here. Egypt is a country of contradictions, but in general, girls that travel alone are looked down on, and more than that, if you will stay with a man without being married to him, that is pretty much the stuff all gossip in Egypt is started from. You can probably count on being the topic of conversation among the neighborhood if you do take him up on his invitation.
What's worse, is that it's totally possible that if you don't know him really well, he might be married on top of it. I'm not saying this is the case with your guy, but it's possible.
There is one guy from Tanta that was talking to me this morning on Yahoo asking what I paid for my flat because his girlfriend is coming to Egypt and he wants to rent a flat for one month to stay with her. I really read him the riot act for being such a sleeze bag. I mean he wanted to rent a flat for only $200 for only one month. Any flat he could get short term for only $200 would be such a flea bag, the woman would have to be NUTS to stay there. YUK.
Anyway, I rambled and rambled about this. So much with your guy depends on where he lives and how well you know him, but in general again, I wouldn't encourage you to stay with ANY man in Egypt at his flat unless it is where his whole family lives and his mother and sisters are there as well. If they are there, then nothing would be going on between the two of you, and if anyone in the neighborhood suggested there was, his mother would fix that gossip very fast!Monica, Laura, Nefertiti.... girls, come on and give her your side of this subject. What do you think?
Seriously.... he is a manipulator. Every once in awhile you hear about suicide threats in a love affair.... but have you EVER EVER EVER known one of those affairs/relationships to be happy and work out? NEVER. The "manipulator" wins a few times, the "manipulated" feels like crap, and then it happens again until the relationship finally breaks up, and all of the friends of the "manipulated" rejoice, and the "manipulator" finds a new victim.
I know I'm jaded but it sure sounds like he's playing with you, to me.
(I met an Egyptian guy online and we use to talk just for fun then i think we started having feels for each other before i know it we r making plans to be together. then i found out that he was doing the same thing with another girl)
By the way 'nutburger'???? I have never heard that expression before and oh how I laughed. Its fab.
Imagine your life with a 'man' that will always find a way to intimidate you, everytime you have a different opinion.
I bet you anything that he video taped himself while pulling his stunt, and had a great laugh showing his little act to his friends; and that could become a trend among these irresponsible losers!
Don't you deserve better?
Wishing you a much better life, with a real MAN!
Monica
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there are players and serious people every where you go not just Egyption regarding the last question you have in you message, it's easy to find out.
Please let me know if you need more help, takecare[/B]
If I need your help, can you be so kind to answer me if I need it?
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Life is what happenes toy you when you're busy making other plans. (John Lennon)
What is going on?
Ask and you shall receive!
Best regards,
Monica
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Originally posted by Nathaly.ru:
If I need your help, can you be so kind to answer me if I need it?
I'm sure you can cancel, cancel all arrangements in a few minutes, and by making a few calls. You will not regret cancelling, but you will regret falling for the BIG DRAMA QUEEN! and by Queen I MEAN IT exactly as it sounds!
Real MEN don't act like that!
He will not change. Pull yourself together, be a real WOMAN, and leave this relationship ASAP.
The perfect perfect sentence to end this relationship, in Arabic, on an sms - and then block the bugger from every connection:
KAN GHEIRAK ASHTAR!!!
That should do it!
It means - in general - that you, do not get fooled/screwed, by anyone! or specifically, it translates this way: (Others were smarter than you, and could not fool ME so you won't either)
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About Egyptian men, I have my share of bad experiences.
I'm_ur_angel, as they all say, cancel the trip for your friend, then run away. Nothing good can come out of this relationship.
Neighbour of Jack is absolutely right about Egyptian men accompanying western women to the departure gate in Luxor then rushing to the arrival one to pick up another girlfriend. Let me tell u my long story..
I went to Luxor for the first time 3 years ago. I met a man who i thought was sincere and geniune at that time. Of course, he is working in the tourism industry. We kept in touch via email/phone. I realise now than i am the one who called more often. In the beginning of last year, I went back to Luxor for the first time after 2 years. I made the mistake of staying in "his flat" who is a the second flat of the building. I met his sisters, mother (his father died a few years ago), and his brother. I even stayed in his family home during the day playing with his nephews. They were nice to me but unfortunately, they didn't speak english. Only the brother did cause he lives part in England. But I was never to be alone cause i thought "my boyfriend" was scared his brother tells me the truth that i learned later on. Anyway, nice 2 weeks. As an independent women, I like make sure that i pay everything for myself.
I went back to Luxor last September. As a student, i couldn't afford to go ealier and hod to work during the summer to go. He was the one who urged me to come. Still, i stayed in a hotel cause his flat was being "renovated".I learned this in the airport. He wouldn't let me go to his flat and his family home to see the rest of his family. Being fed up to stay always on my own (i came for 2 weeks), i went to Cairo. I tried to call him many times but his phone was off..when he was supposed to be concerned about me being alone in Cairo as he used to say the last time i came.
Never mind, back to Luxor, i told him it was finished cause he was playing a game i was not sure to like. He cried, said he loved me so much (while looking at me in my eyes!!!!)and didn't want to lose me that he'll do anything to please me... i believe him but was still upset about his phone being always off when i was in Cairo...as my days was over, i went back to London. Still, as a person who always want to know why, what, when,etc... i was not 100% convinced. Though i loved him very much (he was the first big love of my life), i didn't trust him anymore.
Early this year, i've decided to go back to Luxor without him knowing. It was the only way i thought to have the trust back in him. Of course, I stayed in a hotel. A nice one in the West Bank, cause that's where he lives. He was so surprised to see me that thinking back now, 2 weeks later, i found that hilarious. I found out that he was really married (embassy..) to a old English lady of 71 years old while he is only 25 like me!!!!
More, when his old wife is not with him, he brings stupid foreign women like me to their flat, which was not his originally but was given by his brother....!!!!!!! he lives with women's money since they buy him this and that... Worse, he was in the flat with one of his numerous girlfriends and told the same lies that he told me and all the others.
I didn't even make fuss. I just waited for my days to come back in London. He texted me several times but i never replied and don't intend to. Thanks God he didn't give me any sexual desease and i was not foolish enough to marry him, even orfy as he wanted.
The whole point of the story is that i suffered for sure, but i better learn that he is a low life now, as Debbie says, than in a few years, after marrying him.
I do like Egypt. I will probaly be back there someday but no Egyptian for me anymore. I know they are not all bad as in all countries, but long-distance relationships are finished for me.
I know i am not too horrible and not too stupid so i'll find the right man in time.
Wish you all the best and to all the girls who have a boyfriend who works in tourism, be very CAREFUL.
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What is going on?
Ask and you shall receive!Best regards,
Monica
Thank you, Mon. May I address to you personally in any way? I have this story in Russian, so I need some time to translate it.
All I can say is hang in there girl, it seems that some men make it a business to charm women! Understanding and speaking the local language helps though!
A few years ago, I was spending some time in Mexico with some members of my family, and we heard an unbelievable dialogue between 2 resort guides:
One was French Canadian and the other was American.
It went something like this:
" Man I'm so tired of these old women, but they tip so well, I have to renew my condom supply daily! and the other answered something like this:
-Yeah if my girlfriend knew that I screw 5 women a day, she would never believe it, but the money is good! Cheers!
There you go!
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nearly everyday we are reading such msg and such comments about egyptian guys fooling around, and i find myself wondering, how can we ( as good egyptians) show the good qulaity of us"? i mean how can we erase such a memory ? how can we give the right picture to those who really want to know more about the egyptian community ? i listen to these stories. i don't see it around me , cuz i can't see such mean guys around me , but i really wish i can help
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It used to be the norm many years ago, in Egypt. My parents were engaged for 4 years before getting married.
But generalizing about men? no no no that's not fair to all the other decent gentlemen with class, honor and devotion.
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Originally posted by egyptlover:
I wonder sometimes if it is not better to be without men since they are such trouble makers!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Monica:
Hey Debbie,
Your advice is excellent, and truly reflecting your familiarity with the Egyptian mentality towards relationships within the past 10, 15 years. It was totally different during the Sadate era, by the way; and also different during the Nasser regime.Mostly, the Egyptian mentality changes depending on CLASS, EDUCATION, POLITICAL REGIME and Geographics (Western influence through colonialization was stronger in some areas like Alexandria for example); and that would explain the contradictions in behaviour among the Egyptian people in general. Demographical changes within the past 20 years also have a great impact. Millions immigrated from their villages and brought their village traditions to the big cities.
Best regards always,
Monica
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You didn't deserve this and you did nothing wrong.
It's amazing that these guys have such low morals.
I used to think they only tried it on with older women but apparantly not.
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Originally posted by Jessica:
Hi Monica & Debbie
Read your contributions with interest. I met an egyptian thru' business a few months ago and am having difficulty knowing where I stand!
Briefly, he is older,educated (very),upper middle class and presbyterian. Think he is also still married. He appears to be besotted with me but seems content to see me once every so often. Is this typical of an egyptian that they don't have the same sense of urgency as us westerners?
From my experience, there will be NO urgency if he is still married. He probably won't get a divorce no matter how unhappy he says he is, and if he is seeing you on the side, he's a happy camper. If you're ok with it this way, it will continue to go like this probably.
You said you and he met through work, but you didn't say where everyone lives. Are you both in Cairo or Egypt? Or was this on business travel that you met? If you both live in Cairo, and if he is married, I'll be curious to know if he takes you out to public places or keeps you far away from where friends or relatives might see the two of you together? NOMB but just curious.
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Originally posted by Debbie:
From my experience, there will be NO urgency if he is still married. He probably won't get a divorce no matter how unhappy he says he is, and if he is seeing you on the side, he's a happy camper. If you're ok with it this way, it will continue to go like this probably.
You said you and he met through work, but you didn't say where everyone lives. Are you both in Cairo or Egypt? Or was this on business travel that you met? If you both live in Cairo, and if he is married, I'll be curious to know if he takes you out to public places or keeps you far away from where friends or relatives might see the two of you together? NOMB but just curious.
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Originally posted by Jessica:
Hi Debbie
Mts for your reply. He lives in Cairo, I live in the UK. He travels a lot with his job mainly to the far east. I met him in Rome & Madrid. A couple of weeks ago, we arranged that I meet with him either in Cairo or in Paris the fuing week. I was thrilled as I wasn't sure what his circumstances were in Cairo. Within a few hours of confirming flights, hotel etc, to Cairo, he rang to say that work commitments (he does have a lot, he is VP of a v large co in egypt)meant that he couldn't spend as much time with me as he would have liked and the bottom line was, I cancelled the flight and we had a big fight! We are now talking again but he doesn't seem tp want to make things up to me and organise another rendezvous. Its very frustrating.
Maybe as you suggest, if he's married, he's not in any hurry. Any suggestions??
If there is one thing that i've learned from my story is not to trust so easily anymore. One always learns from his/her mistakes and for sure i've learned. It is true that i saw a lot of young Egyptian men with western older women but these men take more and more often younger women.
As one told me himself last time i was in Luxor, if he can have the older ones for their money and the younger ones for fun, why not??? i was so chocked when i heard that!!!!
I've also learned than not only western old women come for young Egyptian men but also western old men as well!!!
This is worse since these old western men use these youngs kids (often as young as 8..) as prostitutes and abuse them because they think they can do what they want since they have money...that's so disgusting!!!!
I heard this happen more in Luxor and Hurghada than anywhere else. Does anyone know something about that?
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Originally posted by Jessica:
Hi Debbie
Can you also advise if his being Presbyterian makes any difference to his view on marriage etc.??? Also he has lived in the US on and off for @ 20 years.
Many thanks and sorry for original error in addressing you as Monica in 1st reply!
Jessica, Personally, I don't think his being Presbeyterian makes any difference at all. At the end of the day it's what's in HIS heart that makes the difference. The only difference here is that it wouldn't be SOOO bloody difficult to get a divorce if he were serious about it...but that is all.
You still have an Egyptian man that has Egyptian values engrained in him and those Egyptian values, probably tell him that family is very important (even if you don't love your wife). Does he have children? How old? That would be more of a deciding factor as to what I'd guess your future with him is about, than just about anything else. The fact that he lived in the states only suggests that he has seen a side of western society, and that MIGHT be one of the reasons he's open to having an affair. Who knows?
He is older (but v attractive), @ mid 50's and has 2 children both of whom are adults! So I don't think dependency is a real issue here but is it for his wife?
In your last sentence you say that because he has lived in the US, might be "why he is open to having an affair" - is it unusual for Egyptian married men to have affairs then?
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Originally posted by Debbie:
Jessica, Personally, I don't think his being Presbeyterian makes any difference at all. At the end of the day it's what's in HIS heart that makes the difference. The only difference here is that it wouldn't be SOOO bloody difficult to get a divorce if he were serious about it...but that is all.
You still have an Egyptian man that has Egyptian values engrained in him and those Egyptian values, probably tell him that family is very important (even if you don't love your wife). Does he have children? How old? That would be more of a deciding factor as to what I'd guess your future with him is about, than just about anything else. The fact that he lived in the states only suggests that he has seen a side of western society, and that MIGHT be one of the reasons he's open to having an affair. Who knows?
Men are human beings. Some are weaker than others.
Based on my knowledge, the Egyptian men that have affairs, have absolutely no intention on divorcing their wife. They have affairs out of weakness, as all people that have them they are NOT capable of facing their problems head-on and instead choose the easy way out. The Egyptian men that have affairs consider their 'mistress' a temporary 'object', they do spoil them but at the end of the day, the wife comes first.
These affairs end abruptly by the way, especially if the 'mistress' puts pressure on the man to see him more than he can and also people talk - depending on the social circles of your 'friend' and his 'wife', it could be a nasty ending!
I remember hearing a story, in Cairo not so long ago, where the adult children saw their dad with 'another' woman in New York, told their mom, in Cairo, and they all worked together with friends and family to make his life miserable until the 'other' woman took a hike!
Just a little reminder, although obviously, some Egyptian men like others around the world do have affairs, in Egypt - in certain social circles - it is considered a very big insult against the wife, and she gets the sympathy. He will be pressured to leave you, if people/friends and family around him, find out about the affair, like the story I just mentionned.
Personally, I totally discourage you to have an affair with an Egyptian married man, especially if you are an emotional woman and regardless of his religion (!!).
Maybe it's a blessing that he is avoiding you, after all!
Best regards
Monica
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Originally posted by Jessica:
Hi DebbieHe is older (but v attractive), @ mid 50's and has 2 children both of whom are adults! So I don't think dependency is a real issue here but is it for his wife?
In your last sentence you say that because he has lived in the US, might be "why he is open to having an affair" - is it unusual for Egyptian married men to have affairs then?
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Originally posted by Monica:
Jessica,Men are human beings. Some are weaker than others.
Based on my knowledge, the Egyptian men that have affairs, have absolutely no intention on divorcing their wife. They have affairs out of weakness, as all people that have them they are NOT capable of facing their problems head-on and instead choose the easy way out. The Egyptian men that have affairs consider their 'mistress' a temporary 'object', they do spoil them but at the end of the day, the wife comes first.
These affairs end abruptly by the way, especially if the 'mistress' puts pressure on the man to see him more than he can and also people talk - depending on the social circles of your 'friend' and his 'wife', it could be a nasty ending!
I remember hearing a story, in Cairo not so long ago, where the adult children saw their dad with 'another' woman in New York, told their mom, in Cairo, and they all worked together with friends and family to make his life miserable until the 'other' woman took a hike!
Just a little reminder, although obviously, some Egyptian men like others around the world do have affairs, in Egypt - in certain social circles - it is considered a very big insult against the wife, and she gets the sympathy. He will be pressured to leave you, if people/friends and family around him, find out about the affair, like the story I just mentionned.
Personally, I totally discourage you to have an affair with an Egyptian married man, especially if you are an emotional woman and regardless of his religion (!!).
Maybe it's a blessing that he is avoiding you, after all!
Best regards
Monica
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He will probably get in touch with you if and when, he has a time slot for you at one point down the line...maybe....if he feels less pressured!
Some women don't mind...personally I wouldn't be able to stand being a number down a 'to do' list! so...I encourage you to move on! Because we all know for a fact that it only takes a few seconds to send an SMS, or an email or make a call, if and only if we want to! Some even send real 'post cards' with a stamp!!!
I don't buy the being 'under snow' justification, sorry!
Heard too many heartbreaking stories regarding the married man/single available woman syndrome, they all end up abrubtly ...the fact is that after he had his fun now he is either guilty or looking for a new type of fun!
I may sound negative to some but Jess, in 2001, I met over 1500 women during my public speaking/conferences/empowering women to get into technology, as there was a drop after y2k - and every other woman that would come to my workshop/coffee break would talk about a heartbreak with a married man. I'm not joking! And that was an international syndrome!
Remember, the decision is in YOUR hands - as a woman - to either walk tall with dignity, or crawl under, in despair!
Jess, let me say 'Happy Valentine' to you: wishing you from the heart a real love story this coming year, and mostly having all the people you love always around you!
Got to run, as we are celebrating my beautiful parents' wedding anniversary today!My father is Egyptian you know, and he is one of the very good ones! So please again, do not judge Egyptian men harshly only because some are 'cowards'.
Sincerely
Monica
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Originally posted by Jessica:
Monica : last week, haven't not heard from him in a couple of weeks, i asked him if was ignoring me! i got a reply saying "absolutely not, he was snowed under (again) and that he missed me". no word since tho'. yesterday i gave him an ultimatum eg does he want to progress/continue or not. i just want to know one way or the other what he's thinking - surely that shouldn't be too difficult - living in limbo is a killer! haven't heard back yet ... is this what is considered too much pressure and will he take a hike? you say that affairs can end abrubtly - does this mean it can be done "in silence"?
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Originally posted by Monica:
Jessica,
Based on my knowledge, the Egyptian men that have affairs, have absolutely no intention on divorcing their wife. They have affairs out of weakness, as all people that have them they are NOT capable of facing their problems head-on and instead choose the easy way out. The Egyptian men that have affairs consider their 'mistress' a temporary 'object', they do spoil them but at the end of the day, the wife comes first.
Based on my knowledge, this is RIGHT ON as well. If it is an affair you are in, make up your mind that either you are happy to be in "an affair" and you'll make the most of it, or you want out, because the odds are really really really against you ever ending up with this man, long term. And I'm with Monica on this one that his religion has little to nothing to do with it.
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Im British journalist based in Cairo. In luxor at the moment and read with interest the posts on the place. Basically, thinking about working on an article on tourist guys trying to get money out of women through a relationship. Also, wondering if there are women out there that come to Luxor to find Egyptian "husbands". I hear this is common. I have seen glimpses of all this but not really a clear picture. I am staying on the east bank, venus hotel, for a couple of days. Any help is appreciated. I can be contacted on aaaamil@hotmail.com. i will probably leave in next couple of days so any quick responses will be much appreciated. specially keen to hear from people who have been based here for a while.
I have a feeling that younger Luxor guys marrying older foreign women or "courting" multiple women has more to do with the country's bad economic situation than just pure raging hormones.
any comments very welcome and easier to send to email as i don't check this site much.
Dreamcatcher
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dreamcatcher
I'm new at this forum but read all the stuff with much interest.
I have a question about something happened to me. Last year I met an Egyptian man during the last days of my holliday in Hurghada. We only talked a few words and when I left, he asked me for my phonenumber and he gave me his mobile number with the question to keep contact. When I arrived home he started sending SMS. Since then we daily have contact by SMS, mail and telephone. We think both we are in love and after a few weeks I am going back to meet him. He allready asked me to marry him and a few weeks ago he asked me if I could help him because he needed some money. If not, it was no problem, he would still love me forever. Now I have a bad feeling. All time I really thought there was mutual love and respect but now I doubt. Did he all these months sent me SMS and letters only for love or because he wanted money. I asked him this question and he got angry telling me he never would ask me for money again and still loved me by any way.
Is there anyone who has some kind of experience and who can help me?
Also I would like to know if I can meet him in public when I go back and if there are restrictions about being together?
Thanks!!
Decent Egyptian men do NOT ask for money from a woman...let alone a 'stanger'............
TRUST ME.
End of story!
Best wishes,
Monica
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Egypt:fascinating, intriguing, fabulous...
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Originally posted by Ingrid:
Hi,I'm new at this forum but read all the stuff with much interest.
I have a question about something happened to me. Last year I met an Egyptian man during the last days of my holliday in Hurghada. We only talked a few words and when I left, he asked me for my phonenumber and he gave me his mobile number with the question to keep contact. When I arrived home he started sending SMS. Since then we daily have contact by SMS, mail and telephone. We think both we are in love and after a few weeks I am going back to meet him. He allready asked me to marry him and a few weeks ago he asked me if I could help him because he needed some money. If not, it was no problem, he would still love me forever. Now I have a bad feeling. All time I really thought there was mutual love and respect but now I doubt. Did he all these months sent me SMS and letters only for love or because he wanted money. I asked him this question and he got angry telling me he never would ask me for money again and still loved me by any way.
Is there anyone who has some kind of experience and who can help me?
Also I would like to know if I can meet him in public when I go back and if there are restrictions about being together?
Thanks!!
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Originally posted by Monica:
Did you REALLY read this forum????Decent Egyptian men do NOT ask for money from a woman...let alone a 'stanger'............
TRUST ME.
End of story!Best wishes,
Monica
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Egypt:fascinating, intriguing, fabulous...
Monica is right
And how can you think about marriage on the basis of such a short face to face time. Electronic communications are no substitute for real life they can be a prelimary but not a substitute.
I am married to an Egyptian and it was 2.5 years between our first meeting and becoming more than friends and months after that we got married. If he wants to borrow money he has plenty of friends that will help him in case of need, all Egyptian men do
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Jane Akshar UK Co-owner of www.flatsinluxor.co.uk Appartments and Tours in Luxor
SEE Egypt please! and RUN AWAY from the users, as fast as possible...
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Originally posted by Ingrid:
Thanks for all your advices. Know now he probably used me. Will still go to Egypt because I allready made reservations. Will see what he says. It's an illusion!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Monica:
Hello,try this, and it applies to ALL men:
Ask him to give you ALL his email passwords!!!!!!!
Be ready to do the same....Everything in the open. If his emails are in arabic LET HIM KNOW YOU WANT to have THEM TRANSLATED.
If there is nothing to hide he will AGREE. How will you find out if he has given you ALL, that's another story.
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i haven't even read any of the other responses yet, but i think this is a RIDICULOUS suggestion!!! ever heard about personal space, privacy and trust!??? WTF!??
i can't believe someone actually suggested this...
you'll know if you're being played, regardless of GOING THROUGH SOMEONE'S EMAIL ACCOUNT!!! cairo is a small enough society where everyone hears and talks about everyone else... and apart from that, behaviour patterns and general dispostitions are enough to indicate whether the person is playing you or not, all you need is a sense of observation, intelligence and COMMON SENSE!!
EDIT-- ok i just read thru some of the other responses and was glad to see that other people think this whole email password thing passing for so called "standards" is messed up too..
i also just noticed how old the topic acutally is and that my advice is pretty much too late now, but the concept Monica suggested is still going on strong, especially around this area and i'm glad i've had an opportunity to say how LUDICROUS i think it is
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Originally posted by reclining buddha:
i haven't even read any of the other responses yet, but i think this is a RIDICULOUS suggestion!!! ever heard about personal space, privacy and trust!??? WTF!??
i can't believe someone actually suggested this...you'll know if you're being played, regardless of GOING THROUGH SOMEONE'S EMAIL ACCOUNT!!! cairo is a small enough society where everyone hears and talks about everyone else... and apart from that, behaviour patterns and general dispostitions are enough to indicate whether the person is playing you or not, all you need is a sense of observation, intelligence and COMMON SENSE!!
EDIT-- ok i just read thru some of the other responses and was glad to see that other people think this whole email password thing passing for so called "standards" is messed up too..
i also just noticed how old the topic acutally is and that my advice is pretty much too late now, but the concept Monica suggested is still going on strong, especially around this area and i'm glad i've had an opportunity to say how LUDICROUS i think it is
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Originally posted by katrina:
Cairo is a huge city! How can you say this?[This message has been edited by katrina (edited 03 June 2004).]
yes, i agree, it is a huge city, but the SOCIETY is small... everyone knows everyone, even if it's from far away and that's a fact
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Luxor is miniscule in comparison but it is still almost impossible to find out what people are up to. Men have different e-mail addresses, different SIM cards, even different flats for their various liaisons. The sisters turn out to be wives, the nieces turn out of to daughters. Their friends will lie for them and swear on anything - inlcuding the Koran.
I would not ask for passwords simply because I know that I would not get them or that new sites would be set up immediately and at the internet cafe not at home.
I hate to be negative, but Please, be VERY VERY careful!! Especially Hurghada, which has got to be the 'prostitution capital' in Egypt. Having lived in Egypt (Cairo, H/ghada/Dahab) I have secondhand experience and know of many girls, especially H/ghada, whose stories sound exactly the same as yours. The gigolos (not meaning all egyptian men)there are extremely charming and smooth operators so to speak and KNOW how to 'win your heart', And, will take their time to make it seem genuine.
This guy, I am 99% sure, will only break your heart in the end and, like Monica said, he could easily borrow money from his friends as this is a great aspect of muslim culture, to help and be there for one another. He says he doesn't care if you can't lend him money, but I guarantee you, he'll repeat his request in time and won't forget about it. He shouldn't have even asked in the first place. Tell him you are completely broke and have no money...
He most likely has other either orfi wifes or g/friends - 'one plane leaves, another Victim arrives'...
The quicker you break this off the better for you, honestly!!
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Originally posted by Ingrid:
Hi,I'm new at this forum but read all the stuff with much interest.
I have a question about something happened to me. Last year I met an Egyptian man during the last days of my holliday in Hurghada. We only talked a few words and when I left, he asked me for my phonenumber and he gave me his mobile number with the question to keep contact. When I arrived home he started sending SMS. Since then we daily have contact by SMS, mail and telephone. We think both we are in love and after a few weeks I am going back to meet him. He allready asked me to marry him and a few weeks ago he asked me if I could help him because he needed some money. If not, it was no problem, he would still love me forever. Now I have a bad feeling. All time I really thought there was mutual love and respect but now I doubt. Did he all these months sent me SMS and letters only for love or because he wanted money. I asked him this question and he got angry telling me he never would ask me for money again and still loved me by any way.
Is there anyone who has some kind of experience and who can help me?
Also I would like to know if I can meet him in public when I go back and if there are restrictions about being together?
Thanks!!
That is all I was trying to say. Cairo is a big place with people at all levels of Society. Europeans are not as class conscious as Egyptians and cross the boundaries with great ease. They are likely to move in circles that you were not even aware of.
take care ingrid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Debbie:
Dear Nicky,What can I say? Egypt isn't the west. I don't know where you are from, but Egypt is a different world, and while these boys you meet in the tourist resorts like to think of themselves as very westernized and of course they enjoy sleeping with all the girls that they can (as do western boys.... and girls... let's not just blame the boys.... western men/women/boys/girls find it common place to sleep around and don't think much of it). Anyway folks, I'm not playing judge and jury here.... do as you please, but Nicky, you need to beware of the implications if you do this. First, I don't know where your friend lives, that might make some difference, but regardless, Egyptians, IN GENERAL, I mean, EVEN the Highest class Egyptians, IN GENERAL don't mess around with anyone they really care about without being married to them. I don't know if you like this guy in a way that you'd be hurt if he never talked to you again after you left or if he only ever considered you good for "one thing", but if so, stay in a hotel. 100% sure, he isn't going to loose interest in you if you don't stay with him, IF he is interested in you now.
I didn't mean to indicate that there is a great danger if you stay with him, although it's slightly possible that something bad could happen.....not so much with him, but with lowlifes in the neighborhood that see you as a slut, living with this boy without being married, and assume you'd bonk anyone that comes to the door.... this isn't necessarily going to happen, but it's a possibility.
It's just so hard to explain to someone that hasn't spent much time in the culture here. Egypt is a country of contradictions, but in general, girls that travel alone are looked down on, and more than that, if you will stay with a man without being married to him, that is pretty much the stuff all gossip in Egypt is started from. You can probably count on being the topic of conversation among the neighborhood if you do take him up on his invitation.
What's worse, is that it's totally possible that if you don't know him really well, he might be married on top of it. I'm not saying this is the case with your guy, but it's possible.
There is one guy from Tanta that was talking to me this morning on Yahoo asking what I paid for my flat because his girlfriend is coming to Egypt and he wants to rent a flat for one month to stay with her. I really read him the riot act for being such a sleeze bag. I mean he wanted to rent a flat for only $200 for only one month. Any flat he could get short term for only $200 would be such a flea bag, the woman would have to be NUTS to stay there. YUK.
Anyway, I rambled and rambled about this. So much with your guy depends on where he lives and how well you know him, but in general again, I wouldn't encourage you to stay with ANY man in Egypt at his flat unless it is where his whole family lives and his mother and sisters are there as well. If they are there, then nothing would be going on between the two of you, and if anyone in the neighborhood suggested there was, his mother would fix that gossip very fast!Monica, Laura, Nefertiti.... girls, come on and give her your side of this subject. What do you think?
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Originally posted by wedi:
Debbie if an American woman marries an Egyptian man legally in the embassy will the embassy do a check and know if that man is already married
You do not get married at the embassy, they rovide the statury declaration that you are free to marry. You them take that to the ministry of justice who marries you. The proceedings are in arabic. You need your own translator. there is nothing against the law for him to get married if he already has a wife. The only legal obligation is that they inform her so she can decide if she wants a divorce.
I suspect you are not asking these questions out of general interest but personal to yourself. Frankly if I had this level of doubt I would not be getting married to anyone.
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Jane Akshar UK Co-owner of www.flatsinluxor.co.uk Appartments and Tours in Luxor
AND can I just add legally he must also inform the wife to be that he already has a wife........... but they can lie..... we are talking Egyptian men here
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Originally posted by akshar:
You do not get married at the embassy, they rovide the statury declaration that you are free to marry. You them take that to the ministry of justice who marries you. The proceedings are in arabic. You need your own translator. there is nothing against the law for him to get married if he already has a wife. The only legal obligation is that they inform her so she can decide if she wants a divorce.I suspect you are not asking these questions out of general interest but personal to yourself. Frankly if I had this level of doubt I would not be getting married to anyone.
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Originally posted by Aaliyah:
Would you give all your passwords to your man? I don't know whether I would...
Civil Marriage
THE FOLLOWING NOTES ARE NOT COMPREHENSIVE AND ARE INTENDED ONLY AS A GUIDE. FURTHER ADVICE SHOULD BE SOUGHT FROM THE OFFICE OF THE NOTARY PUBLIC OR A LAWYER
The onus of ensuring that they are free to contract a marriage rests with the parties themselves.
Statutory declarations next have to be taken to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (in Cairo) at Gameat El Dowal El Arabia Street, Mohandessin, Giza, (or in Alexandria) at El Casino Street, El Awkof Building, San Stefano for the consular officer's signature and stamp to be legalised (the fee is approximately 22 Egyptian pounds per document). Once this has been done, the couple can go to the Notary Public's Office at Ministry of Justice Annex, Lazoghly Square, 4th Floor, Cairo or to the Notary Public’s Office in Manchia, Alexandria for a civil marriage.
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Jane Akshar UK Co-owner of www.flatsinluxor.co.uk Appartments and Tours in Luxor
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Originally posted by akshar:
http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMark et/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1067967335955Civil Marriage
THE FOLLOWING NOTES ARE NOT COMPREHENSIVE AND ARE INTENDED ONLY AS A GUIDE. FURTHER ADVICE SHOULD BE SOUGHT FROM THE OFFICE OF THE NOTARY PUBLIC OR A LAWYER
The onus of ensuring that they are free to contract a marriage rests with the parties themselves.Statutory declarations next have to be taken to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (in Cairo) at Gameat El Dowal El Arabia Street, Mohandessin, Giza, (or in Alexandria) at El Casino Street, El Awkof Building, San Stefano for the consular officer's signature and stamp to be legalised (the fee is approximately 22 Egyptian pounds per document). Once this has been done, the couple can go to the Notary Public's Office at Ministry of Justice Annex, Lazoghly Square, 4th Floor, Cairo or to the Notary Public’s Office in Manchia, Alexandria for a civil marriage.
[This message has been edited by wedi (edited 23 October 2004).]
You say you want him to come over to US. Have you any idea how likely it is for the US governement to issue him a visa.
Here is another part for the same web site http://travel.state.gov/egypt.html
The Embassy cautions American citizens regarding marriage to Egyptian citizens whom they meet only briefly or only via the Internet. The Embassy has uncovered numerous cases of fraudulent intent in recent years on the part of Egyptian partners in such relationships. They have been shown to have contracted the marriage, either primarily or solely, for the purposes of obtaining access to an immigrant visa to the U.S. This is especially the case in which the parties have met only on-line. There is a common pattern in which Egyptian men will marry American women, remain in the marriage only long enough to obtain U.S. residency status or citizenship, and then divorce. We urge Americans contemplating marriage to an Egyptian citizen to become familiar with Egyptian family law (known here as personal status laws). Especially for women, their rights as both spouse and parent would be very different in Egypt from those in the U.S., as would the rights of any children resulting from the marriage (See "Children's Issues," below).
Can I suggest you spend a bit of time researching your plans but not here on ES where our legal knowledge is limited to reruns of La Law but by speaking to the Embassy in Cairo and the State Department in US
I am sure after you have done both of those you will be able to reassure mum in law that she need not worry about him leaving Egypt because there is no way on Gods earth he will get a visa.
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Jane Akshar UK Co-owner of www.flatsinluxor.co.uk Appartments and Tours in Luxor