But why should we say no when you offer yourself? It is not easy for men in Egypt to have sex if not married. Egyptian girls do not sleep around like old British ladies do. You really think we love you when we tell you? Look at you, all of you have fat tummy, breasts hanging down, ass is to big, wrinkles in face, legs are not nice and you really think you look nice? We tell you so, but all we want is sex which you give so easily. And when your holiday is over, next British woman comes. You really think 20 or 30 years old man wants to marry old woman? It is like marrying own mother! Men in my country want women who can give children! But many my friends want British wife for visa, but we never ask for it. You always offer invitation to your country. You think we are nicer than British men. Yes, we are good actors in getting what we want.
 

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Originally posted by Ge Ge:
Your English is fantastic,as is your grammar and punctuation.If you do not like western women you have certainly taken a great deal of notice of them.So who are you?

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I went to university in the United States for 4 years. How can one not take notice of Western women in my country when they are after us?
 

Again the woman is thought of as stupid for believing your lies. Do you not think that it is immoral for you to lie so much for the sake of the premarital sex that you are not supposed to have?

Somehow I doubt that you are actually an Egyptian man who indulges in this practice. If you are then it makes a mockery of all of the other Egyptians who say that gigoglos are of low class and are uneducated. As GeGe said, your English is excellent and denotes a good education but it does not seem to have stopped you becoming the prototype Corniche pest.
 

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Originally posted by Luxorlover:
If you were at University in the States for four years, why do you now sell yourself so cheaply to whatever woman asks for your body. Why do you not save yourself for your wife. Is a visa that important to you that you choose to prostitute yourself to get it? How can you manage to have sex so easily with someone that you find so physically ugly?

Again the woman is thought of as stupid for believing your lies. Do you not think that it is immoral for you to lie so much for the sake of the premarital sex that you are not supposed to have?

Somehow I doubt that you are actually an Egyptian man who indulges in this practice. If you are then it makes a mockery of all of the other Egyptians who say that gigoglos are of low class and are uneducated. As GeGe said, your English is excellent and denotes a good education but it does not seem to have stopped you becoming the prototype Corniche pest.

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I am not speaking of myself, I speak of all my friends who work in the tourist branch. They make fun of you all when we sit together and talk. I do not need any British woman, but when you offer yourself why shall I say no? I am a doctor, I can have any woman I want.

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Originally posted by Penny:
Booooooooooooring has Egypt got any other professions than doctors...please if you have to lie be a bit more inventive. Sorry the English folks here can see right through you.

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Maybe he's the famous Egyptian surgeon?

I was just about to defend, you till you wrote this
 

Ps. Egyptian girls DO give it up ya studs; they are just being more selective, hint hint.

 

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Originally posted by Abdul:
So you really think old British women are attractive to young Egyptian men? Not to me and not to any of my friends. I agree we have sex with you, but this doesn't mean we find you beautiful. But you are such easy prey. You come here and look for men. Young and good looking Western girls never are after us, it is you old ladies over 40. So easy to have sex with you, you believe everything we tell you. We can look in your eyes and you think we tell truth. You are so stupid. And then you are desperate in finding men that you believe everything. When I read what you write in this forum I must only laugh. You are so silly. Really think any men you write about here is serious with you?

But why should we say no when you offer yourself? It is not easy for men in Egypt to have sex if not married. Egyptian girls do not sleep around like old British ladies do. You really think we love you when we tell you? Look at you, all of you have fat tummy, breasts hanging down, ass is to big, wrinkles in face, legs are not nice and you really think you look nice? We tell you so, but all we want is sex which you give so easily. And when your holiday is over, next British woman comes. You really think 20 or 30 years old man wants to marry old woman? It is like marrying own mother! Men in my country want women who can give children! But many my friends want British wife for visa, but we never ask for it. You always offer invitation to your country. You think we are nicer than British men. Yes, we are good actors in getting what we want.

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Egyptian girls do not sleep around ? Which country are you living in and have you ever been in contact with any Egyptian girls ? Seems you are too busy hanging out at the cafe with your little friends while the Egyptian girls are out busy with the real men.

Good actors in getting what you want ? Now that is something I have to disagree with. How can you be such good actors when you are an amm ? Your English skills are terrible, you dress like you are wearing your little brother's clothes, brown teeth, terrible hygeine and those pathetic pick up lines and professions of love within 30 seconds of meeting. Definitely not good actors, but certainly wonderful at pathetic and degrading behaviour.

To brag you are a doctor, well, that really doesn't mean much here does it ? The Egyptian doctors I know would have nothing to do with these British women or a slapper shagger like you.

Are you sure you are not from Alexandria ? Want to get married online ?
 

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Originally posted by Abdul:
So you really think old British women are attractive to young Egyptian men? Not to me and not to any of my friends. I agree we have sex with you, but this doesn't mean we find you beautiful. But you are such easy prey. You come here and look for men. Young and good looking Western girls never are after us, it is you old ladies over 40. So easy to have sex with you, you believe everything we tell you. We can look in your eyes and you think we tell truth. You are so stupid. And then you are desperate in finding men that you believe everything. When I read what you write in this forum I must only laugh. You are so silly. Really think any men you write about here is serious with you?

But why should we say no when you offer yourself? It is not easy for men in Egypt to have sex if not married. Egyptian girls do not sleep around like old British ladies do. You really think we love you when we tell you? Look at you, all of you have fat tummy, breasts hanging down, ass is to big, wrinkles in face, legs are not nice and you really think you look nice? We tell you so, but all we want is sex which you give so easily. And when your holiday is over, next British woman comes. You really think 20 or 30 years old man wants to marry old woman? It is like marrying own mother! Men in my country want women who can give children! But many my friends want British wife for visa, but we never ask for it. You always offer invitation to your country. You think we are nicer than British men. Yes, we are good actors in getting what we want.

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Abdul, this is such an insulting thread......

So this is the way you see many tourists coming to your country?

I don't have much to say to you just if you participating in any way with these women - for money, visa or whatever - than you are the prostitute. Shame on you to sleep with someone you call so many ugly names! How can you give yourself away like that? How can you do it? You better off getting a respectable job like any decent Egyptian man - who has respect for himself AND OTHERS - would do.

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"ya3ni eyh?, meghasel we damen gannah?"
yeabni 3yb elkalam elly inta bet2oloh dah.

so what if you have allot of friends (and not yourself) praying on desperate ladies over 40's that still doesn’t make it a fact of life,
and if you are an inmate in a federal prison, state facility or even “leman torah”, you will find allot of low life, and criminals who are proud of what they do, but still doesn’t make it the norm

Why would I agree with someone who commits a crime ( buy lying to DESPREAT old FAT women over 40 as you like to call them) and then blame the victim for being stupid, remember you lie to them , you promises them everlasting love, you leave them after you got what you wanted,
maybe some of those ladies are easy as you say, but if they ware so easy why did you have to lie to them, why not just say " hey old fatty, you want to play, I'll play with you for a while" then this way, you get whatever sick desire you want, and they get the fun they want, of course you will get played for it, but at least you wouldn’t have hurt that stupid easy over 40 fatty that beloved you and may have even loved you

what you said could only be translated into "3ozr akba7 men zanb"
and what is this about you BEEING A DOCTOR and can get any woman you want, then why you end up with old desperate ugly fat women, could it be because this is the extent of your ability ??

They always said that education doesn’t mean manners, and you are the best example. You climbed up the functional society with your degree, just to hit down rock bottom, in manners, by using it to become a lover boy

I think you are the scum of the earth, and you should take your University degree and shove it up your ass,

Your mama should be very proud of you

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Originally posted by Abdul:
I am not speaking of myself, I speak of all my friends who work in the tourist branch. They make fun of you all when we sit together and talk. I do not need any British woman, but when you offer yourself why shall I say no? I am a doctor, I can have any woman I want.

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Originally posted by Abdul:
I am a doctor, I can have any woman I want.

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sorry matey but you cant have me

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Originally posted by Abdul:
I went to university in the United States for 4 years. How can one not take notice of Western women in my country when they are after us?

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Dream on- Most British women prefer Italian men, and French men. You are a long way down a long list. There are obviously attractive men in every race. You are just an arrogant, stupid man who cannot understand that we play as many games with you as you do with us. For the record I am a very attractive woman who gets interest from men in all countries.

Men like you just make us laugh. You are too stupid to see that your facade is slimsy most times. When in Egypt I had 100's of men asking for my attention, and just laughed it off as it was so feeble an attempt. Mybe I let 1 through- but we all make mistakes.
 

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Originally posted by Abdul:
So you really think old British women are attractive to young Egyptian men? Not to me and not to any of my friends. I agree we have sex with you, but this doesn't mean we find you beautiful. But you are such easy prey. You come here and look for men. Young and good looking Western girls never are after us, it is you old ladies over 40. So easy to have sex with you, you believe everything we tell you. We can look in your eyes and you think we tell truth. You are so stupid. And then you are desperate in finding men that you believe everything. When I read what you write in this forum I must only laugh. You are so silly. Really think any men you write about here is serious with you?

But why should we say no when you offer yourself? It is not easy for men in Egypt to have sex if not married. Egyptian girls do not sleep around like old British ladies do. You really think we love you when we tell you? Look at you, all of you have fat tummy, breasts hanging down, ass is to big, wrinkles in face, legs are not nice and you really think you look nice? We tell you so, but all we want is sex which you give so easily. And when your holiday is over, next British woman comes. You really think 20 or 30 years old man wants to marry old woman? It is like marrying own mother! Men in my country want women who can give children! But many my friends want British wife for visa, but we never ask for it. You always offer invitation to your country. You think we are nicer than British men. Yes, we are good actors in getting what we want.

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Also- the funniest thing is- those fat old ladies you are talking about - you are the ones having to have sex with them- they have sex with a young possibly attracive man- who is the winner there then- I know who I would rather be. I just dont envy the poor Egyptian women who get stuck with the fat old men and can do nothing about it. At least we have a choice.

You are more stupid than I originally thought. And desperate for sex obviously- if you have to resort to fat old women.

 

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Originally posted by sue333:
Also- the funniest thing is- those fat old ladies you are talking about - you are the ones having to have sex with them- they have sex with a young possibly attracive man- who is the winner there then- I know who I would rather be. I just dont envy the poor Egyptian women who get stuck with the fat old men and can do nothing about it. At least we have a choice.

You are more stupid than I originally thought. And desperate for sex obviously- if you have to resort to fat old women.

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Originally posted by welsafty:
Sue333, Abdule is indeed the scum of the earth, but this is the first time I see someone who is trying to convince another (abdule) that he is a scumbag, but making the case that she herself even lower than him
You don’t like his stereotyping, but you couldn’t keep to yourself your great knowledge about [b] Most British women taste in men
You didn’t like his arrogance, but you couldn’t pass on the chance to prove you are even more arrogant,
You didn’t like his tricks and lies and said that you play even worst games,
You don’t like him sleeping around and are proud to say that you DO sleep around
Yet I still agree with you that Abdule is a bag full of **** .
And you have the guts to feel sorry for those poor Egyptian women, wow , how unlucky they are, not being able to sleep around and be fooled by young Italians or even Egyptian kids !!!!
And you even insult this idiot more, not realizing that you insult yourself, and let me ask you one thing, if he is so And desperate for sex obviously- if he have to resort to fat old women, how desperate those Italian men, and French men who is a winner to have sex with you ?
He likes to fool fat old over 40’s foreign ugly women who think they are attractive, and you are just a woman who think she is attractive maybe also fat ugly over 40 , and prefer to get screwed by Italians instead.
I think **** knows ****

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Come on give her a break! This lady has just been on holiday to Hurghada (I'm assuming 1st time in Egypt). She seems to have no or little idea of how things are in Egypt. To me as a Westener her comments seem perfectly ok. To me as a westener who knows Egypt they seem naive. I don't think she ever said that she sleeps around or said she is an old woman sleeping with a young egyptian! I don't think there was any need for that at all.

 

but guys I don’t understand ? didn’t she say

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Originally posted by sue333:
Dream on- Most British women prefer Italian men, and French men. You are a long way down a long list

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Didn’t she say:

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Originally posted by sue333:
I just dont envy the poor Egyptian women who get stuck with the fat old men and can do nothing about it. At least we have a choice.

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I still insist,
Scumbag knows scumbag, maybe this is the only reason they find each other.
And even in the most liberated societies, 2 weeks relation does not allow any woman to call someone Her man, she can only call him, my new love adventure
To all other DECENT ladies out her, I don’t mean at all that 2 weeks are not enough, I wouldn’t even say that 2 days aint enough, any of you could fall in love in couple minutes for all what I care .
I am just trying to follow the contradictions sue333 have in 2 posts , in one she is IN LOVE, and in the other, she is tooo good to fall for that kind of a game

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Originally posted by Carol_2004:
Come on give her a break! This lady has just been on holiday to Hurghada (I'm assuming 1st time in Egypt). She seems to have no or little idea of how things are in Egypt. To me as a Westener her comments seem perfectly ok. To me as a westener who knows Egypt they seem naive. I don't think she ever said that she sleeps around or said she is an old woman sleeping with a young egyptian! I don't think there was any need for that at all.

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Was I little to harsh on her?
maybe I should think about it once again and apologize, ,, bbb b bb but

but guys I don’t understand ? didn’t she say

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But to be fair Abdul did start bashing British women over a certain age. I actually agree with SOME of what he said. I think Sue was just trying to defend us Brits thats all and perhaps unknowingly went the wrong way about it. Be nice : )

" if your house is made out of glass, don’t through stones"

dont you agree with me ?

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Originally posted by Carol_2004:

But to be fair Abdul did start bashing British women over a certain age. I actually agree with SOME of what he said. I think Sue was just trying to defend us Brits thats all and perhaps unknowingly went the wrong way about it. Be nice : )

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could someone please transelate this into english, I dont know what would be the best way to do so
 

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Originally posted by Abdul:
Great that I stirred up such discussion! Of course you aged women care about age. Otherwise that topic "Does age really matter" would never have received 268 posts. I think the author of this topic must be very afraid that her young lover might leave her - if not, would she have placed this topic? Here you see how insecure 50 year old British women are! Yes, you are right, I am a fake! But I am Egyptian and I know one of you aged Brits personally. Now you can guess.

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I am an over fifty and one of those that say age really does matter but I am also one thatis relatively happy with the decisions I made. So are many others. My relationship lasted longer than many European marriages and was ended by me.

Whether I am a fat-ugly-old woman (or a crusty old hag to use Sexy Beast's terms) is a matter of opinion. I like to think that I am not, but if you are with a younger man then you bought him - as many of the posts on this present line confirm.

If the person is willing to sell himself then there is no problem but caveat emptor - buyer beware.
 

Welsafty: I'm glad you added 'almost' to the everone

why did you think he wasnt?

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Originally posted by Luxorlover:
Now we are playing detectives insead of doctors and nurses. If you are really an Egyptian then may I congratulate you on your use of English as it is excellent.

I am an over fifty and one of those that say age really does matter but I am also one thatis relatively happy with the decisions I made. So are many others. My relationship lasted longer than many European marriages and was ended by me.

Whether I am a fat-ugly-old woman (or a crusty old hag to use Sexy Beast's terms) is a matter of opinion. I like to think that I am not, but if you are with a younger man then you bought him - as many of the posts on this present line confirm.

If the person is willing to sell himself then there is no problem but caveat emptor - buyer beware.

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Originally posted by welsafty:
Sue333, Abdule is indeed the scum of the earth, but this is the first time I see someone who is trying to convince another (abdule) that he is a scumbag, but making the case that she herself even lower than him
You don’t like his stereotyping, but you couldn’t keep to yourself your great knowledge about [b] Most British women taste in men
You didn’t like his arrogance, but you couldn’t pass on the chance to prove you are even more arrogant,
You didn’t like his tricks and lies and said that you play even worst games,
You don’t like him sleeping around and are proud to say that you DO sleep around
Yet I still agree with you that Abdule is a bag full of **** .
And you have the guts to feel sorry for those poor Egyptian women, wow , how unlucky they are, not being able to sleep around and be fooled by young Italians or even Egyptian kids !!!!
And you even insult this idiot more, not realizing that you insult yourself, and let me ask you one thing, if he is so And desperate for sex obviously- if he have to resort to fat old women, how desperate those Italian men, and French men who is a winner to have sex with you ?
He likes to fool fat old over 40’s foreign ugly women who think they are attractive, and you are just a woman who think she is attractive maybe also fat ugly over 40 , and prefer to get screwed by Italians instead.
I think **** knows ****

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As usul, you only half read what people say and think you can steriotype people. I never said that I had slept around or that I slept with Italian or French men. You stupid person. I said British women prefer them, because unlike stupid men like you- they know how to treat women and make them feel nice and important and guys like you have no idea.

No I am not any of the things you accuse me of and I am a very intelligent person with professional qualifications and can out think and outwit the likes of you. You are just a sad person, who gets weird kicks and needs to keep slagging genuine people off to make themselves feel important. People are only worth listening to when they have an intelligent arguement and can put it across in an articulate way. I replied to Abdul because he had a dreadful attitude and is rude. Are you never taught good manners?

I think your mother and father would be ashamed of people like you and Abdul
 

We all get upset when all Egyptian men are put into one group and accused of being gigols and all that crap.

What you have said is exactly the same about British women, don't you think you are generalizing a tad here?

How many British women have you met in your life?

You can't base your views on the ones you have seen, don't tell me all are the same as the type you refer to.

As far as you being a doctor, I think you should be struck of the medical list for what you are bragging about.

Also please have it in mind that some British women are far more decent than you are making them out to be with your childish comments.

Imagine all those fellow Egyptian men who are married to British women, how do you think they will think of you.

Finally, i don't really belive you are Egyptian and if you are then you are a bigger plonker than I thought you were "Rodney".

I don't know what you are so bloody smug about anyway. You come across as a plonker.

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Originally posted by Carol_2004:
I do find it ridiculous that the obeese (sp?) ugly old woman that sleep with young attractive men of any age could actually believe that the men find them attractive. Actually maybe it is just a very sad situation rather than ridiculous. They are so flattered that they will believe anything. What I find disgusting is that these men play on woman like that in a vulnerable state and use it to their full advantage. It disgusts me how anyone can sleep with anybody they are not attracted to.
I find situations where the older lady is attractive and succesful equally sad. A lady who is attractive and succesful in the west having a young attractive bf or husband is nothing unusual. The young Egyptian (Egypt forum but also Jamaican, turkish.......) man may actually find her attractive which makes the situation and in my opinion the man slightly better. But I do not and will never believe that the man will look at her as a wife in the intended meaning of the term. UNLESS.... She can provide children, he is prepared for them both to live in Egypt, provide for her and agree to a monogamus marriage. THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION.

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A lot of what you say makes sense, but I can never understand a society that cannot view love as a positive thing and puts being able to provide children especially men as more important. I never professed to being in love or anything else. There are people on here pretending they have 1 view and then another and slagging people off. And I dont mean you. Why are you not all out enjoying yourselves, having fun with life instead of slagging each other off. Egypt is a lovely country. One I have visited in the past. You should all be out enjoying it. Maybe I will never agree with the traditions and arguements and this is the one thing I have learned from this. Not as other people I have stated, that I am arrogant and change my arguements. I am a genuine person, who thought this board would just have people who would either answer in a genuine manner with help or would ignore my post. I said before, that I probably didnt word it well.
Who knows what will happen in my situation. Probably nothing. I will probably find that someone I wondered may be insincere is. That happens all the time in life. I just feel sad that people find the need to be! I call the guy 'my guy' as a way of referring to him.

I feel that people and especially some of the guys on here have a very inaccurate of British women- old or otherwise. SOme may be niave but not many in my experience. Are Egyptian women so wise, or is it that these men wouldnt dream of behaving in such a way or society would condemn them. Often many of the women are not given rights that I believe in, and having read about this, many are not based on religion but tradition and tradition is not always right. That is the case in any society.

SUrely you should be concentrating on the many things this wonderful country has to offer and not wast time on the bad. Then there would be more tourism and jobs etc.

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Originally posted by sue333:
A lot of what you say makes sense, but I can never understand a society that cannot view love as a positive thing and puts being able to provide children especially men as more important. I never professed to being in love or anything else. There are people on here pretending they have 1 view and then another and slagging people off. And I dont mean you. Why are you not all out enjoying yourselves, having fun with life instead of slagging each other off. Egypt is a lovely country. One I have visited in the past. You should all be out enjoying it. Maybe I will never agree with the traditions and arguements and this is the one thing I have learned from this. Not as other people I have stated, that I am arrogant and change my arguements. I am a genuine person, who thought this board would just have people who would either answer in a genuine manner with help or would ignore my post. I said before, that I probably didnt word it well.
Who knows what will happen in my situation. Probably nothing. I will probably find that someone I wondered may be insincere is. That happens all the time in life. I just feel sad that people find the need to be! I call the guy 'my guy' as a way of referring to him.

I feel that people and especially some of the guys on here have a very inaccurate of British women- old or otherwise. SOme may be niave but not many in my experience. Are Egyptian women so wise, or is it that these men wouldnt dream of behaving in such a way or society would condemn them. Often many of the women are not given rights that I believe in, and having read about this, many are not based on religion but tradition and tradition is not always right. That is the case in any society.

SUrely you should be concentrating on the many things this wonderful country has to offer and not wast time on the bad. Then there would be more tourism and jobs etc.

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Now Sue I am hoping that wasn't aimed at me? I knew you never said you were in love with your friend and everything that was said about you in this thread was completly inaccurate. Men like the ones being discussed would not dream of behaving in this manner to an Egyptian girl (although I know that there are easy Egyptian girls too - shock horror!) because the majority of the time they would not be allowed any where near them! This is perfectly logical I think. I personally love the Egyptian culture in its true form away from giggalos and moaning foreign 'wives'. I think its fantastic and I also think that there is alot the west could learn from it. Have you only been to Hurghada Sue or other parts?

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Originally posted by Carol_2004:
Now Sue I am hoping that wasn't aimed at me? I knew you never said you were in love with your friend and everything that was said about you in this thread was completly inaccurate. Men like the ones being discussed would not dream of behaving in this manner to an Egyptian girl (although I know that there are easy Egyptian girls too - shock horror!) because the majority of the time they would not be allowed any where near them! This is perfectly logical I think. I personally love the Egyptian culture in its true form away from giggalos and moaning foreign 'wives'. I think its fantastic and I also think that there is alot the west could learn from it. Have you only been to Hurghada Sue or other parts?

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Not aimed at you.

No I have been to Luxor and Cairo although a few years ago. I love the middle east and enjoy Egypt. I think there is a lot Egypt has to offer and I thought and liked the fact that they are seen as a moderate country. I guess everywhere has a few idiots and we should just ignore them. You appear to be a sensible lady who is intelligent and has her own mind. I think my next trip will be informative whatever course it takes. I look forwrd to it. Like I said, I will have some fun. I guess I have to watch what i say- having some fun to me means just that but on here will probably be totally misinterpretted by some sad guy thinking that means sex!!!

I actually am looking forward to visiting without the kids so that I can feel the spirit of the place without being concerned for their happiness, welfare etc. When I come with them, it is different although very much fun too.

Hope to stay in touch

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Originally posted by Mimmi:
Why make sex such a bug issue, in the west and many other countries old, ugly ,fat ladies and also young ,beautiful ones can sleep with whom ever they want and nobody could care less.
So why if somebody is having sex in Egypt it is a big deal?? and it is everybody's business.

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There more to life than bonking someone which soon wears off.You have got to build a friendship then when all the lust and passion fades you have a foundation.

 

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I could not agree more.Why does everyone think if you go out with a younger man it is for sex,and by the way I hate that word,it is so unemotional.

There more to life than bonking someone which soon wears off.You have got to build a friendship then when all the lust and passion fades you have a foundation. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes BUT this is Egypt!!!
Go back in time ca.150 year
You have the chance to live in the good old day's

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Originally post by sue333:
No I am not any of the things you accuse me of and I am a very intelligent person with professional qualifications and can out think and outwit the likes of you.

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I never had the need to point out my QUALIFICATIONS to prove my point, or convince anyone that what I am saying have logic in it, and if I did, then my argument is week and It needs the support of QUALIFICATIONS

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Originally posted by sue333:
You are just a sad person, who gets weird kicks and needs to keep slagging genuine people off to make themselves feel important.

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Do you feel Important now ??

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originally posted by sue333:
I never said that I had slept around or that I slept with Italian or French men

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I am wondering why haven’t you remind me that you are still VERRY attractive woman .
keep singing lady!!, I feel pretty, oh so pretty , I feel pretty, and witty , and gaaaaaaaay

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Originally posted by sue333:
I think your mother and father would be ashamed of people like you and Abdul

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mmm ...... maybe not as proud as your kid watching you doing what you do best, "Hunting for a young Egyptian stud (diver instructor) , on your 2 weeks vacation". I am sure he understood it was love at first sight and not just mama feels pretty and that’s her last chance

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...Love sure is in the air...with a bit of a spunk!

 

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Originally posted by Abdul:
Great that I stirred up such discussion! Of course you aged women care about age. Otherwise that topic "Does age really matter" would never have received 268 posts. I think the author of this topic must be very afraid that her young lover might leave her - if not, would she have placed this topic? Here you see how insecure 50 year old British women are! Yes, you are right, I am a fake! But I am Egyptian and I know one of you aged Brits personally. Now you can guess.

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OMG you not that young felluca boy I refused to go to Banana Island with are you

I am sooooooo sorry, I didnt realize the rejection from a fat old british warthog would make you so bitter and twisted
Please forgive me

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Come on be a gentleman you don't have to go below the belt with sue.

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Originally posted by Abdul:
Great that I stirred up such discussion! Of course you aged women care about age. Otherwise that topic "Does age really matter" would never have received 268 posts. I think the author of this topic must be very afraid that her young lover might leave her - if not, would she have placed this topic? Here you see how insecure 50 year old British women are! Yes, you are right, I am a fake! But I am Egyptian and I know one of you aged Brits personally. Now you can guess.

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...Why all the fuss?Why dont you just confront her in person and speak you're mind.It would be so much less painful.
 

Maybe I was to tough on her, but it is only because I don’t like double standards,
Someone would do something, and say something completely different and everyone have to agree with them, plus one more thing about sue333, why the heck would she say anything about my parents, and suggesting they should be ashamed of me,
As if she is implying that she is OLD enough to know what is right and what is not, and is giving me a lesson in manners,
In the sates and English speaking cultures we say “those who can’t do, teach”,

in Egypt we say “those who lack something cannot give it”
and we also say “does not speak of manners, those who don’t have it”

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Originally posted by Penny:
Welsafy I guess you did not get the cigars then. !

Come on be a gentleman you don't have to go below the belt with sue.

Penny

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Originally posted by welsafty:
Noooo,
I have only 7 packs left, and time is running out

Maybe I was to tough on her, but it is only because I don’t like double standards,
Someone would do something, and say something completely different and everyone have to agree with them, plus one more thing about sue333, why the heck would she say anything about my parents, and suggesting they should be ashamed of me,
As if she is implying that she is OLD enough to know what is right and what is not, and is giving me a lesson in manners,
In the sates and English speaking cultures we say “those who can’t do, teach”,

in Egypt we say “those who lack something cannot give it”
and we also say “does not speak of manners, those who don’t have it”

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I am not going to get involved in a slanging match with you. I am too nice for that. So whatever you write after- I am leaving this here. Just read the attacks you write and you will understand the comments made. You can say what you want about me because you don't know me, are totally wrong in your opinion of me and in the end the people I care what they think are my family and my friends.

1 No desire to 'hunt'. Wasnt looking for or wanting an Egyptian man. The man approached me to take care of me when I was sick. He is a decent person. He liked my children and spent lots of time with them.

2. No need or desire to be important. I am important in my career and in my childrens lives. Th rest- it doesnt matter.

3. My children are proud of me and not ashamed or me in any way- I gave them nothing to be ashamed of.

4. Who knows whether the other person is sincere at this moment. I can only be true to myself. If he happens to be insincere that is his shortfall not mine.

5. Lastly, attacking people who come on here just trying to be friendly and asking for information about a culture we only partially know- is not a good thing. If I didnt know better I could think this was the attitude and agression of the majority when in fact most Egyptian (and Muslim) people I know are lovely decent people. I know a number of people from the Middle East in general, and they whilst we may hae different views on politics etc, we are able to see other peoples views and accept people for them.

I should not have lowered myself to retaliate, as you have, but would your parents really be proud of men who categorise all women and attack them verbally, and some of the men who have sex in such a way, when the religion is so strict in these matters. The west is a lot more open on these matters and that can be a bad thing, but surely those people in a strict muslim country should either abide by the religion or at least be quiet if they arent, and not just blame the 'temptation'.

These are my last comments. Im sure you will attack lots more- but that's up to you. I would repect you more if you didnt.

 

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Originally posted by welsafty:
in Egypt we say “those who lack something cannot give it”
and we also say “does not speak of manners, those who don’t have it”

A very old English saying for you :-

'Manners maketh the man'

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It might sound ridiculous to many of you, but my credo is that if you have enough self-love there is no need on attacking others! Was already taught by Jesus (PBUH).
 

IN GENERAL;;;IAM SORRY IF I PERSONALY GENERALIZED ABOUT ONE GIRL HERE,!!BELIEVE ME IAM READING HER POSTS SINCE ALONG TIME AGO,AND I CAN SEE HOW SHE IS VERY NEGATIVE AGAINST EGYPT AND THE EGYPTIANS SO I HAVE TO STOP HER,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,AND I'LL DO!!!
 

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Originally posted by Penny:
A very old English saying for you :-

'Manners maketh the man'

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Originally posted by Luxorlover:
Hi there Welsafty - there has been a marked, and almost overnight, improvement in your spelling and your English. Can I have some of whatever pills you are taking - they would do wonders for some of my ex-students.

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Originally posted by welsafty:
Microsoft spelling check

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...now why didn't I think of that!

People think it is dreadful that some of the posts lump all Egyptian men under one negative description. But, you are Egyptian (or supposed to be) and you infer that it is right for Egyptian men lie, cheat, and steal from these women because they are stupid. Maybe they are stupid. They are also lonely and trusting and it would not occur to them that they in coming to Egypt that had done the equivalent of falling among thieves.

There are millions and millions of good Egyptian men would not lie, cheat and steal from anybody. Good Muslims who love their wives and children but would not dream of taking three more European wives (all unknown to each other) just to get money out of them and feel that they are smarter than they are.

They also say that anyone reading this forum would be frightened off coming to Egypt - how can you have made that any better by indicating that Egyptians are a nation of fornicating thieves.

Khaloud you not painting a bad picture of European women you are painting an horrific picture of Egyptian men and describing a complete lack of morals.

That is no advert for this wonderful country and you should be ashamed.

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Originally posted by khaloud:
ADOUL you are right because all the old brits women come only to have sex in egypt.
they doing that when they became like garbage in there country.i think all the egyptian men are right to play games with this kind of womens.because they think they are smater than our boys but at the end they see they are very stupid.

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You sad little person.Do you want to talk about your problem?
 

You can take this as a friendly WELCOME to our forum

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Originally posted by khaloud:
MISS OLD GE GE i have no problems thank you
but i think you are the one who has many problems,i think you are coming to luxor this month or next month please donot try to sleep with many boys in one time but use them one by one and we are waiting you here when you come back with some tears because one of them cheated on you.
i advice you to ask loxorlover help because she is already used most of luxor boys then she can lead you well.with how much money you have to pay and who is the strogest boy etc

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welsafty
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Wow, that wasn’t very nice of you
It just happened the despite fact that I don’t always agree with loxorlover, and GeGe, I still like and respect both, and I see no reason for you to insult them this way.
I conceder both my friends, and beware, I have a very bad temper when someone insult my friends in front of me, and I have the fastest insulting keyboard ever!!!!!!!
So please be respectful, especially because you have only 4 posts so far, and you seem to hate everyone already
You can take this as a friendly WELCOME to our forum

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How can I have used all the boys on the Corniche? There are so many of them and they are far too busy to bother with women when there is so much to be made from gay men.

Why do you make out that all the Luxor boys are prostitutes when they are not? Most of them work hard to earn a living - they do not sell their bodies.

You are really a very clever little boy though. You seem to know all about my sex life when nobody else on the forum even knows who I am.

 

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In the 7 years that LL has lived here I have only ever known her to be with one Egyptian Man.

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Originally posted by Abdul:
So you really think old British women are attractive to young Egyptian men? Not to me and not to any of my friends. I agree we have sex with you, but this doesn't mean we find you beautiful. But you are such easy prey. You come here and look for men. Young and good looking Western girls never are after us, it is you old ladies over 40. So easy to have sex with you, you believe everything we tell you. We can look in your eyes and you think we tell truth. You are so stupid. And then you are desperate in finding men that you believe everything. When I read what you write in this forum I must only laugh. You are so silly. Really think any men you write about here is serious with you?

But why should we say no when you offer yourself? It is not easy for men in Egypt to have sex if not married. Egyptian girls do not sleep around like old British ladies do. You really think we love you when we tell you? Look at you, all of you have fat tummy, breasts hanging down, ass is to big, wrinkles in face, legs are not nice and you really think you look nice? We tell you so, but all we want is sex which you give so easily. And when your holiday is over, next British woman comes. You really think 20 or 30 years old man wants to marry old woman? It is like marrying own mother! Men in my country want women who can give children! But many my friends want British wife for visa, but we never ask for it. You always offer invitation to your country. You think we are nicer than British men. Yes, we are good actors in getting what we want.

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Despite my disgust to your posting I toltaly agree with it.

 

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Originally posted by khaloud:
MISS OLD GE GE i have no problems thank you
but i think you are the one who has many problems,i think you are coming to luxor this month or next month please donot try to sleep with many boys in one time but use them one by one and we are waiting you here when you come back with some tears because one of them cheated on you.
i advice you to ask loxorlover help because she is already used most of luxor boys then she can lead you well.with how much money you have to pay and who is the strogest boy etc

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Wrong again I do not visit Luxor,Cairos more my style,much more upper class men there,something that Luxor is obviously missing.And as for boys I prefer men,which you are clearly not.Have you not crawled back into your hole yet?
 

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Originally posted by Luxorlover:
ANM - many thanks for your astute observations. If you are right then I shall loose all faith in Egyptian youth.

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He he, guess I've seen one too many good cop bad cop movies.

 

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Originally posted by yaya_mah:
OH MY GOD....I've never seen one so proud about his own stupidity...I always thought men should be proud when they reject women who are too cheap...but it's the first time I see someone who's proud for being a gigglo...wierd...

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I suppose he needs to be proud of something even if it is extracting money out of women for services in kind....male prostutution.
 

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Really I'm disappointed , how dare you to describe a woman body like this , who told you that this elderly womann are applying for miss universe competition . Why don't u tell the woman no without hurting , or fooling her.
Let me tell u something and be honest with ur self and tell the truth .Imagine that u are 50 years and u went to Russia ( I didn't mean anything bad about any Russian but I know how the Egyptian men adore the Russian beauty ) and u r single and not handsome but u have money , what would u do ? u would go and pick up a blonde girl and pay her what so ever , she would give u a good time and she would n't come to this page complaining about ur big belly or what so ever ,she would never come to u saying she loves u or this nonsense, it's fair enough,u had a done deal, she got what she wanted and gave u what u wanted .But you guys taking advantage of those ladies ,either money , Visa, or sex so don't come and complain and hurt them , plus I know u guys , I have seen and meet a dozens of u in Sharm with Italian women , u r very sweet talkers , good hunter, and u know that these elderly women need sweet words ,tenderness ,fake stories which is the easiest thing to make up , really I'm upset that u still think by the way of ur great grand father, u still think that beautiful woman is only a nice face and nice round what so ever , yaa man these things will never remain forever what will remain is a good and kind heart , good personality ,charming sprit , let me tell my experience I know most of the commercials models, and I hate being around with them coz they are so silly and deep inside they have nothing to offer more than a body and face which u can't even talk to . On the other hand I really enjoy a conversation with an elderly person coz every word s/he will say is a history ,his/ her history. Remmber one day u will be on her shoes so don't forget that what goes around , comes around.
I'm sorry if it was long but I couldn't shut up ,
An Egyptian girl who'll never say yes, when she wants to say no .

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Starting to be?

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Originally posted by Abdul:
I do not need any British woman, but when you offer yourself why shall I say no?

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Abdul,

Americans don't use "shall"

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Starting to be?

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Originally posted by zeina20:
Really I'm disappointed , how dare you to describe a woman body like this , who told you that this elderly womann are applying for miss universe competition . Why don't u tell the woman no without hurting , or fooling her.
Let me tell u something and be honest with ur self and tell the truth .Imagine that u are 50 years and u went to Russia ( I didn't mean anything bad about any Russian but I know how the Egyptian men adore the Russian beauty ) and u r single and not handsome but u have money , what would u do ? u would go and pick up a blonde girl and pay her what so ever , she would give u a good time and she would n't come to this page complaining about ur big belly or what so ever ,she would never come to u saying she loves u or this nonsense, it's fair enough,u had a done deal, she got what she wanted and gave u what u wanted .But you guys taking advantage of those ladies ,either money , Visa, or sex so don't come and complain and hurt them , plus I know u guys , I have seen and meet a dozens of u in Sharm with Italian women , u r very sweet talkers , good hunter, and u know that these elderly women need sweet words ,tenderness ,fake stories which is the easiest thing to make up , really I'm upset that u still think by the way of ur great grand father, u still think that beautiful woman is only a nice face and nice round what so ever , yaa man these things will never remain forever what will remain is a good and kind heart , good personality ,charming sprit , let me tell my experience I know most of the commercials models, and I hate being around with them coz they are so silly and deep inside they have nothing to offer more than a body and face which u can't even talk to . On the other hand I really enjoy a conversation with an elderly person coz every word s/he will say is a history ,his/ her history. Remmber one day u will be on her shoes so don't forget that what goes around , comes around.
I'm sorry if it was long but I couldn't shut up ,
An Egyptian girl who'll never say yes, when she wants to say no .

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Wow only your second post in 3 years, how did u remember ur password? I can't remember mine from last month, he he

 

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Originally posted by Abdul:
So you really think old British women are attractive to young Egyptian men? Not to me and not to any of my friends. I agree we have sex with you, but this doesn't mean we find you beautiful. But you are such easy prey. You come here and look for men. Young and good looking Western girls never are after us, it is you old ladies over 40. So easy to have sex with you, you believe everything we tell you. We can look in your eyes and you think we tell truth. You are so stupid. And then you are desperate in finding men that you believe everything. When I read what you write in this forum I must only laugh. You are so silly. Really think any men you write about here is serious with you?

But why should we say no when you offer yourself? It is not easy for men in Egypt to have sex if not married. Egyptian girls do not sleep around like old British ladies do. You really think we love you when we tell you? Look at you, all of you have fat tummy, breasts hanging down, ass is to big, wrinkles in face, legs are not nice and you really think you look nice? We tell you so, but all we want is sex which you give so easily. And when your holiday is over, next British woman comes. You really think 20 or 30 years old man wants to marry old woman? It is like marrying own mother! Men in my country want women who can give children! But many my friends want British wife for visa, but we never ask for it. You always offer invitation to your country. You think we are nicer than British men. Yes, we are good actors in getting what we want.

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Lot of these things I have been thinking of myself, but I didn’t feel inspired to write about it. Why should I have been doing so? Why writing things that can be misunderstood so easily, that can possibly hurt if misunderstood? Most of the time it’s wiser so keep quiet, than to speak out loud.

In the past I have been surprised by reading some messages in many topics. Messages from women that have a good holiday. During this time they meet a man and they spend some time with him. As they go back they seem to dream on and believe that they found the man of their lives, eternal love. And than I wonder. How can anyone believe that anyone can speak of true love before he even knows the person he ‘loves’? How can one believe that sweet spoken words, send into your heart in the warm shining moonlight, three days after meeting you, can have any value when they whisper in your ears that they are words of eternal love? Who’s fooling who, I always think than. But it’s far from me to judge. I’m flesh as well.

On the other hand, I have met some Europeans that got married with Egyptian men. What I hear from them is that they met him and later on, now, they have a good marriage. They are happy. So it’s possible to meet the man of your life. All over the world. I guess it all starts with self respect and respect for those around you.

On the other hand I wonder how it’s possible that so many holiday lovers there are in Egypt. In family mater there is quite a strong social control, but as soon as you reach the bazaar of the corniche, it seems like everyone is hunting everyone with sweet words. My wife and I always were very amused to see how the young man that invited us, laughed as soon as we took it all with a smile and answered back. In a friendly, smiling way, without offending or humiliating them, but with a very good feeling of self respect. And as one of them was too offensive, touched my wife, I did react. Yes, the habits in Europe are different, but we have ways of behaving out of self respect as well. They are different, but they are there and one will not cross that border without getting reaction. So as we go to Egypt, we try to behave the way someone living in Egypt would do if he has some self respect. Respecting yourself makes others respect you. And I must say, we never had any trouble and we were welcome everywhere we went to.

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I've been away from this forum quite a while. And believe me I'm surprised about this topic.Surprised for several reasons.

Lot of these things I have been thinking of myself, but I didn’t feel inspired to write about it. Why should I have been doing so? Why writing things that can be misunderstood so easily, that can possibly hurt if misunderstood? Most of the time it’s wiser so keep quiet, than to speak out loud.

In the past I have been surprised by reading some messages in many topics. Messages from women that have a good holiday. During this time they meet a man and they spend some time with him. As they go back they seem to dream on and believe that they found the man of their lives, eternal love. And than I wonder. How can anyone believe that anyone can speak of true love before he even knows the person he ‘loves’? How can one believe that sweet spoken words, send into your heart in the warm shining moonlight, three days after meeting you, can have any value when they whisper in your ears that they are words of eternal love? Who’s fooling who, I always think than. But it’s far from me to judge. I’m flesh as well.

On the other hand, I have met some Europeans that got married with Egyptian men. What I hear from them is that they met him and later on, now, they have a good marriage. They are happy. So it’s possible to meet the man of your life. All over the world. I guess it all starts with self respect and respect for those around you.

On the other hand I wonder how it’s possible that so many holiday lovers there are in Egypt. In family mater there is quite a strong social control, but as soon as you reach the bazaar of the corniche, it seems like everyone is hunting everyone with sweet words. My wife and I always were very amused to see how the young man that invited us, laughed as soon as we took it all with a smile and answered back. In a friendly, smiling way, without offending or humiliating them, but with a very good feeling of self respect. And as one of them was too offensive, touched my wife, I did react. Yes, the habits in Europe are different, but we have ways of behaving out of self respect as well. They are different, but they are there and one will not cross that border without getting reaction. So as we go to Egypt, we try to behave the way someone living in Egypt would do if he has some self respect. Respecting yourself makes others respect you. And I must say, we never had any trouble and we were welcome everywhere we went to.

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Dirk it is better to write what you think rather than just remian quiet. I very much agree with what you wrote especially about self repsect. I think we do have a different code of self respect but whilst when we travel abroad we should take on the right actions to show respect to the people and country we visit, we should never leave our own code of self respect at home.

I would like to see more men like you stand up for their wives and in particular more fathers stand up for their teenage daughters.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Penny

In Ghent (Belgium) I have been working for 5 years as social worker in a program for immigrant teenagers. I was responsible for the group of 12 –15 year old boys. We have many Turkish immigrants in Ghent. As their grandparents moved into Belgium, these boys and their parents were born in Belgium, but they never got integrated or accepted fully. So they have roots, with strong family ties and a strong tradition. The more they feel hurt by our community, the more they resist (would be just like that I guess). Everyone has a certain pride and so have they. Working with them I learned a lot about interculturality. I understood that you have to learn to know and respect someone before you can expect that they respect you. They have their tradition, their values and we have ours. And in a way the fundaments are the same, the way of showing it is different. And that’s difficult to understand. The way they look at us is incorrect, but how can they understand our behaviour correct as they look at it from different values, different codes? And the most important thing is to understand that the same thing goes up for us. How can we interpretate them correct, as we look at it from our values and ways of behaving? The only way is to spend time with them and to start with an open mind and equality. How can I show them that it bothers me when they speak respectless about women, if I act in a way that –in their way of acting- is a sign of lack of (self)respect? And that is what I see all the time when I travel around, or when I visit my friends in Egypt. Tourists walking around like elephants in a store of teacups, wondering why ‘these Egyptians’ show no respect. In a way it shouldn’t even make a difference that you are guest in their country, because that is not the key to communication, to respect. That would be the same as saying to these Turkish boys: ‘it’s our country, so you simply have to show respect’. No, respect is something that comes from deeper inside. You have to earn it by giving it. And you can learn a lot from others, because they can point the finger at the weak spots in your way of living.

I have a 16 year old daughter. One day she was bothered by an African young man on the bus. I know the guy, he lives in the village next to us. In our customs we would tell our children to speak up for themselves. If that doesn’t work, we would go there ourselves and try to talk. I did different. I waited for him and became very angry. I did not touch him, but I made clear that she is my daughter and that he insulted me and my whole family. That I will never tolerate this again. And it works. Why? Because this was communication we both understand. So even in being angry with someone you can show respect. And they respect you, even if they dislike you.

 

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Originally posted by crazylobo:
[B] Your like american men ... same bs, same lines, same horrible acting. B]

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Can't agree with you on that statement.

Well spoken Abdul.Bravooooo