My friend last year after years of worrying about her wrinkled old looks plus the final insult of losing her younger boyfriend to a younger slimmer and more attractive woman, decided to undertake a facelift to regain her youth so consulted a plastic surgeon in Cairo. After parting with an incredible sum of money the surgeon carried out a full facelift, when she came around from the procedureher face was puffy and resembled a huge melon, she looked awful. She was assured by the surgeon that she would see a remarkable different within a few months when all the swelling settled down.
Friends have tried to be kind to her by saying there was an improvement but alas her face looked dreadful and reality is she now appears older than she did before. 13 months later she feels that she wasted her money and that the surgeon did not do his job well as it made no difference in fact worse. The surgeon left her with deep jowl lines running around her face which quite frankly you could plant potatoes in and the wrinkles and bags around her eyes are still clearly visible, to add insult to injury she now also has to endure scarring all around the headline and her large protruding ears now protrude even more.
She feels so bitter that she has taken it out verbally on friends and those close around her, she practically destroyed a local Egyptian who made an unkind comment that “she looked so old that a woman like her was just waiting for god to take her”. She has become difficult to befriend or help as she downright attacks everyone around her, especially if they are younger or more attractive than her. We have all rally'ed around to help and reassure her but her attitude towards us is unbearable at times and it’s clear that the surgeon done very little in helping her achieve her youth. My own feelings are that no one should not try to beat the natural growing old procedure gracefully just because an X chooses a more younger and slimmer girlfriend.
I would like to ask the room if they have known similar experiences with cosmetic surgeons in Egypt and maybe suggest what I can do to help her get out of this dreadful depression, resentment and anger which engulfs her.
I feel sorry for your friend if she has wasted all that money. Perhaps, if she has any money left, she should see a surgeon in England or America who might be able to put things right.
Some people are lucky enough to have complete success with such operations but it would be wise to check out the credentials of the surgeon first before taking such drastic steps.
If anyone is doing it for their own self-esteem then that is a good thing. If you are doing it to keep a man then it is a waste of time and money.
In some fields however I am sure that Egyptian surgeons are among the best in the world.
I would suggest professional counseliing for your friend as her problems seems to huge for the well mean mate to sort out.
With the best will in the world an amatuer can not take on that level of need.
She will need all the professsional help she can get. From what you describe the results are really bad. That is sad and she will need all the friends she can get. Cosmetic surgery in Egypt is very cheap but sometimes you only get the service you pay for.
Many times unless 5 or more persons have died these surgeons are not held responsible in any way and malpractice is extremely costly to pursue.
Surgeons attached to universities, rather than private clinics seem to have the least amount of bad press. Universities naturally don't want to be sued, while private practices don't care.
In my neck of the woods everyday women are getting plastic surgery. Its disguisting. Women who are not yet 40 are getting tummy tucks and everything done. Men are getting procedures in order to extend their high profile careers. Its become something of a social force.
Thank God I have good genes against aging. When you come down to it, preventative care and good health habits pay off in the long run. Not dieting can be the best bet against aging. Just being healthy and telling those fad doctors to f*ck off is the best course. Plastic Surgery will hopefully be just a fad. Since I have been around alot of retirement homes, I watch the healthiest, happiest, and most youthful residents closely. Their ways can explain the passage of time in the most graceful fashion.
Getting old isn't the enemy, its your attitude that can become the enemy. Personally the persons who fear old age the most are the most unhappy by it. I see my reclining years as a chance to say what I wish to say and be able to feign dementia so I am not accountable for it. Imagine all I could get away with when I reach 80!
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Originally posted by sonomod:
I see my reclining years as a chance to say what I wish to say and be able to feign dementia so I am not accountable for it. Imagine all I could get away with when I reach 80!
Sonm I hate to think !!
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Originally posted by Penny:
Sonm I hate to think !!
Yup, I will be a mad ass getting away with everything.
I have a great grandaunt who drives on a snowmobile to town to drink at the bars with her grandsons and drives home again on the same snowmobile. Police won't even think of pulling her over. She did this untill she was 87. Then her grand children and great grandchildren would party at her house due to the fact that she wanted to make sure that they partied safe.
She lived until last year at 103 in her own home. She would spray the postman with a water hose when too much junk mail came to her mail box.
Yup I am going to give my daughter a hernia. But without the booze habit. I am creative I will find something else.
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Originally posted by FatladyUK:
I had a tummy tuck a few years ago.I got very fat and when I lost weight my tummy was like an empty balloon that hung down to my knees.I had to roll it up and stuff it in my knickers.They had to take so much skin that a new belly button was made.It worked though as I got married again.But he still ran off with my best friend.I put the weight back on after a couple of years and was back to square one so I might as well have saved my money.I would have a face lift if I could afford it.
I am so sorry to hear about your problem fatladyuk however I thought that you HAD to reduce your size/weight by over 3 stone in order to have such an operation. Can I ask where you had this surgery was it in Cairo and how long ago. The thought of you rolling up your stomach boggles the mind, was this a joke. All I can say is well done to you for losing all that weight which allowed you to have this operation carried out. You really must not put yourself down by giving yourself such a name as fatladyuk, it takes all types to make the world.
I am sure by now you have found a more deserving man.
By the trend of your postings it seems someone has touch a nerve with you.
Dont let it bother you and you have a nice day ok. Would love to meet you but hear that you fond of throwing orange juice over ladies who offend you.
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Why the hell does everyone want to be someone else?
Cripes!!!!
British Lady , What a subject to start. Does your friend know that you posted this about her?
QUTOE
The surgeon left her with deep jowl lines running around her face which quite frankly you could plant potatoes in and the wrinkles and bags around her eyes are still clearly visible, to add insult to injury she now also has to endure scarring all around the headline and her large protruding ears now protrude even more
FatLadyUK
I am sure that you did it for yourself not for any man.
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Seconds away. Round 294.
im keeping all my wrinkles, I earned all of them
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Should have said British Lady.
However I recently found out that ES latest new member FatladyUK/luxorlover are indeed the same person. Its a free world I thought but then you see this new member posting stupid remarks (thought she had emigrated to Egypt365 she had stated she was leaving ES)? If you look through all the threads from Xmas Eve you will see FatladyUK/luxorlover keeps herself squeaky clean in her luxorlover threads and opened a new nickname FatladyUK to continue to carry on her childish and bitching games, as she did before.
I am far too busy for play games, although as you will see I will stick up for myself. I have no idea why she has a vendetta against me but I assure you from the numerous private emails she has sent me that she does. Im happy to privately share the contents of all luxorlovers threatening emails over the past year should anyone want to see them.
There are also many folk in Egypt who are aware of her blackmail and dreadful actions that she attempted to carry out against myself.
I wont play her foolish games and shall not stoop to her level.
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Originally posted by Kenzie:
Typo error. I am confused with all these "Lady's" on here.Should have said British Lady.
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Please anyone how do you close or delete this subject.
There are fortunately far more people that truly love me and those that hate me, so what more could I ask of my God. If Welshwoman and her various personalities has problems with that then I pity her.
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Originally posted by FatladyUK:
Thank you for doing an IP check on me Welshlady and proving that I am in Luxor.
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Your IP is farmed out through your ISP (internet service provider) and it gets even more complicated.
ISP have a public IP address then as part of their network you are given a private IP address no one can see. Sometimes people can make it past a ISP's firewall to see that private IP address, but not often to do so can get your ISP into alot of trouble since most agree not to hand out that IP address anyway, actually to protect it.
Then MOST IP addresses are not static but dynamic. See IP addresses cost money, and its better to pool them together and pass them out for a single session on the internet. So if you have a major ISP provider like AOL or Qwest DSL your IP address changes constantly. At smaller ISP in Egypt they might assign a static IP address instead of the dynamic IP addresses of larger ISPs.
Right now recording label conglomerates are having a tizzy of a time with the circuit supreme trying to get these judges to twist the arms of ISP to turn over these dynamic IP addresses. Most ISP don't log dynamic IP addresses for the main reason of cost, it would be expensive and make them liable. So untill ISP log these dynamic IP addresses and are willing to hand them over recording labels have to spend millions in legal and investigative fees to find these downloaders.
So most of the time finding IP addresses are nearly impossible.
But a good give away is the IP address class. Class C or D is the most common class used for commercial ISPs. Class A is saved for governments, Class B is saved and 'leased' or bought outright for major corporations which pool out dynamic IP addresses to save costs. 192.168.1.x is a common class C, 205.196.1.x is a class B.
Then these IPs are only IPv4, IPv6 is coming out soon. which doubles the amount of digits in an IP address and also creates more IP addresses so we don't run out. MCI the major provider of wire and servers that create the backbone for the internet is working out the kinks now. And even MCI won't create a protocol technology that will pinpoint a persons IP address to their MAC address.
MAC addresses are the PC unique identifier. They get your MAC address your F*CKED!!!! 
Nothing changes on here does it. The word is stick up for myself not sick, although on the other hand that is what you are doing to all of us, making us feel sick.
Why dont you clear off somewhere where you are wanted, because it is not here,maybe a physciatric hospital.
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Originally posted by Ge Ge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WELSHLADYUK:
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I am far too busy for play games although as you will see sick up for myself.Nothing changes on here does it. The word is stick up for myself not sick, although on the other hand that is what you are doing to all of us, making us feel sick.
Why dont you clear off somewhere where you are wanted, because it is not here,maybe a physciatric hospital.
Why dont you go somewhere you fat bitch, no body likes you anyway, but other fat bitches, plastic surgery wont help you fat old bithces!!!!!!!!!!11
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Originally posted by WELSHLADYUK:
However I recently found out from an IP trace that ES latest new member FatladyUK and luxorlover are indeed the same person living there in Luxor. Its a free world I thought, but then you see this new member posting stupid remarks (thought she had emigrated to Egypt365 she had stated she was leaving ES)? If you are to look through all the threads from Xmas you will see FatladyUK/luxorlover keeps herself sqeaky clean in her luxorlover threads and had opened a new nickname FatladyUK to continue to carry on her childish games, as before.
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I am sure LL can take up for herself and I want to say she does not know me. But I want to express my opinion (someone that knows neither of you) I know who she is from reading this forum for 6 months b4 I ever posted on here. I also followed Egypt365 when it was up and running. I did see a picture of her. LL does not at all strike me as the type of women to play such trivial games. She has always presented herself as an honest, intelligent & sensitive person. I don't think she has the time to post under various names nor do I see any reason she would want or need to.
I also don't believe you did any type of IP trace. Seems to me that you are the one with too much time on your hands to play silly games. If you have something to contribute to a topic why can't you just do that and leave other people out of your posts????
I have to say- when one 'lady' appears- suddenly they all do- seems more than a coincidence to me-not sure I understand your point. Seems a little crazy to me.
Surely you should post when you have something to say- and be big enough to stand by it. All this 'lady'stuff and back biting is boring for the rest of us and must be tedious for Luxorlover and GeGe.
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Originally posted by FatladyUK:
Thank you for doing an IP check on me Welshlady and proving that I am in Luxor.That means I am myself and not someone else.I know you and I know LL.She went back to England weeks ago.Now you are wondering who I am.I am big and proud of it.There are a lot of fat ladies like me in Luxor and I am not ashamed of my size.I told my story to help others.Most women want a tummy tuck but you cannot keep a man with cosmetic surgery.When are you and Britishlady going to give your little friend a break. You say you are size 16 but you are as big as me and I am at least size 26.There are photos of you in your bellydancing kit all over the internet.I can post them if you want but it is not a pretty sight.
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Was not going to answer this utter rubbish but on a dull day could not resist it - sorry folks.
Gosh you do give me a good laugh reading your threads, as I said FATLADYUK/LUXORLOVER ARE INDEED THE SAME PERSON - hide behind whatever name you wish its a free world of course you would know LL cos you are her silly, but as I said I am not bothered with your childish games you have been exposed.
"Photos of me in bellydancing gear all over the internet" well I am impressed I MUST see these, yes of course please put the pics up I would love to see them, I am sure others would too, feel free. Cant remember wearing an oriental belly dancers outfit but did try a cropped top on for a laugh in a shop once I think?
You confess to being "at least a size 26" and proud of it hmm thats interesting as you say you had a tummy tuck, you must have been some size before to be STILL a size 26 after such an operation like that. You see FatladyUK/Luxorlover liars have to have good memory. I KNOW what size I am and I am very happy with it too.
As for giving my friend a break? I presume you refer to Britishladys friend/s thread, if you read the carefully you will see I merely commented on this forum like so many others. It sounded to me like she was trying to help her and just wanted suggestions?
Anyway not going to waste my time answering your silly threads it really has nothing to do with britishladys post.
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Originally posted by BRITISHLADY:
Hello I am new here a close friend of mine needs help and I want to help but do not know how; so I would like to ask room if they can offer suggestions.My friend last year after years of worrying about her wrinkled old looks plus the final insult of losing her younger boyfriend to a younger slimmer and more attractive woman, decided to undertake a facelift to regain her youth so consulted a plastic surgeon in Cairo. After parting with an incredible sum of money the surgeon carried out a full facelift, when she came around from the procedureher face was puffy and resembled a huge melon, she looked awful. She was assured by the surgeon that she would see a remarkable different within a few months when all the swelling settled down.
Friends have tried to be kind to her by saying there was an improvement but alas her face looked dreadful and reality is she now appears older than she did before. 13 months later she feels that she wasted her money and that the surgeon did not do his job well as it made no difference in fact worse. The surgeon left her with deep jowl lines running around her face which quite frankly you could plant potatoes in and the wrinkles and bags around her eyes are still clearly visible, to add insult to injury she now also has to endure scarring all around the headline and her large protruding ears now protrude even more.
She feels so bitter that she has taken it out verbally on friends and those close around her, she practically destroyed a local Egyptian who made an unkind comment that “she looked so old that a woman like her was just waiting for god to take her”. She has become difficult to befriend or help as she downright attacks everyone around her, especially if they are younger or more attractive than her. We have all rally'ed around to help and reassure her but her attitude towards us is unbearable at times and it’s clear that the surgeon done very little in helping her achieve her youth. My own feelings are that no one should not try to beat the natural growing old procedure gracefully just because an X chooses a more younger and slimmer girlfriend.
I would like to ask the room if they have known similar experiences with cosmetic surgeons in Egypt and maybe suggest what I can do to help her get out of this dreadful depression, resentment and anger which engulfs her.
Tell me is your friend Salama maybe then, i can undestand her better ,,i mean all this complex she has 
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Originally posted by Ge Ge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WELSHLADYUK:
[B]
I am far too busy for play games although as you will see stick up for myself.Nothing changes on here does it. The word is stick up for myself not sick, although on the other hand that is what you are doing to all of us, making us feel sick.
Why dont you clear off somewhere where you are wanted, because it is not here,maybe a physciatric hospital.
As for typo errors well welcome to the real world, I think we all do that from time to time.
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People flit in and out of forums and many belong to several. Posters come and go and then come back again. I left this one temporarily because of people like you. GeGe did the same and so have many others. But, I decided that I would not let your bile deter me from posting on a forum that I was part of before you and others like you decided to try and ruin it.
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Originally posted by BRITISHLADY:
Now luxorlover you have not been taking your truthful pills have you. Thats another lie I am told you claim a variety of DLA benefits as a result of lies you told the british DHSS. You entered Cairo on a walking stick a few months ago and yet when you reached Luxor 1 day later it dissapeared into thin air, a miracle I say. Many folk have seen you climbing pyrmaids and cycling across the west bank. You do receive benefits which finance your egyptian lovers expensive dealings no wonder you have a mansion in Luxor and are financially blessed by Allah ?
Now this is real nastiness Welshlady/Britishlady. Grow up woman. Get a life.
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Originally posted by Luxorlover:
Now this is real nastiness Welshlady/Britishlady. Grow up woman. Get a life.
This was not nastyness this was "FACT" how can you imply others are benefit cheats when you do this yourself. Incidentally I have a life thank you and have a wonderfully evening.
Now why dont you give this post a rest and go and do something more useful, you say Allah has been good to you and how wealthy you are with a 6 bedroom mansion.... put your energy into something more useful like helping out all those 1000's of people who have lost their lives recently.
You say you do not know me but you seem to know a lot about what you think is my life. If it was not so very odd, very sick and very sad then it would be very amusing. Yet I am still trying to work out why you are so insanely jealous of my life. I thanked Allah for blessing me, that had nothing to do with money.
Oh and by the way, if people have seen me climbing up pyramids then please will they tell me how I did it. Nobody has been allowed to climb them for years. Surely benefits are means tested. If I am as rich as you think I am then how would I get benefits? Nasty.
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Luxorlovers Thread/Post : Beware - Do not submit to Blackmailers
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Well luxorlover/FatladyUK I did not know you initially when came on ES but I do now and also 2 people who know you well in Luxor have kept me up to date. As you like to cut and paste wording, I thought I would have a go at following your lead. So before your 'glowing halo' appears, I thought I would like to share just a few lines from some of the private emails that you have been bombarding me (yes I have kept all your emails and threats over the last few months).....some of the forum membersand your followers may then have a glimpse of the perfect you and why I something stick up for myself, rather than submit to a blackmailer like yourself.
COPIES OF A 'FEW LINES' OF LUXORLOVERS EMAILS SENT TO ME......
If you are looking for a war you can have one the letters have all been written and I shall cause you trouble. leave me alone on Es and stay off or you will pay for it. there are many who would add to what I could say ES is laughing at you, have you not noticed that. Carol will bait you and others will join in the fun - including me.
Allah will one day repay you, you will be destined to live the rest of your life alone.
Actually I do get a rise in April(a big one)and that is what will enable me to come backwards & forwards, that is the truth. All the money I get from the DSS and DLA is taken up in the new flat.
If you do not leave me alone I will have no alternative but to retaliate because I know far too much about you. I have been open on ES about all my relationships
I really do live alone in a 6 bedroom mansion and I have all the help that I need because I can afford it. Leave me alone and that will be the end of the matter. If you name me, then i will have no alternative but to take action.
The letters are all written and ready for me to send you will regret it all..........
OK on a more positive note to the other forum members I shall do my very best, with your help, not be post anymore to ANY of luxlorlover/FatladyUK garbage because I agree it is getting out of hand. I came on ES initially asking for help for a friend and have been hounded since by her ever since asking me to get off ES, I see I am not the first she has tried with many. I shall NOT be driven out of ES or submit to her blackmail or threats. She can and I am sure she will, continue posting more sick fantasy stories she has made up. But I hope my postings in future will be more positive, I apologise to others if I have offended and I am sorry British woman that your post was taken up like this, you are only too aware of why though and the entire story I believe. Looks at the sad sick post that appeared from FatladyUK a typical sick joke for all to see. A new year for me and I hope now for more positive posts/threads.
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Originally posted by TDP:
You have been baiting LL since you started posting again new year and said you were not going too and would start the new year off well. I am not surprised she retaliates! It's the bloody witch hunt starting again.
I shall give it a rest if I am allowed to, no witch hunt my side never was if you see my original posts/threads when I joined. But you really have no idea of the facts and what LL/Fatladyuk had done since she arrived back in UK last month. I did start to post positive this year until she decided to continue 'her war' by adding another nickname deliberately to continue the harrassment here on ES, plus the sly sneaky emails starting arriving once again.
Evil people have the tendency to bring out the bad in others at times and one can only take some much before fighting back.
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Jealousy is so destructive please stop letting it rule your life. You may want to ruin your own life but I have no intention of letting you ruin mine.
I will finish by replying briefly - Im not jealous of you, why should I be, I am happy with my life and Allah has blessed me too. I have NEVER blackmailed you or your husband, I dont know him why would I want to hurt him, it has been YOU which has blackmailed and threatened me...I think they call it 'role reversal'. You wrote to the authorities making false allegations in an attempt to stop me coming to Egypt on holiday, the authorities read each one of your emails/threats here on my PC before having a good laugh and closing the files. What a dreadful thing to do to me and my children at Christmas - but as I said all along I had nothing to hide.
I did not lie, I was new to this forum last Sept and I genuinely came on here to help a friend whom sat with me & dictated her post word for word, whilst I typed it. I was immediately shot down by yourself suggesting that it was my lover! At the time I joined ES I did not know who you were, neither have I ever exposed your real identity, so why this vendetta against me? Whatever A4 script you wish to post here will be made up by yourself, as will the bellydancing photos you allege are all over the internet - I repeat I have nothing to hide.
You have attempted to create a great deal of harm for me in anyway you can, even tried to put my friends there against me, but thankfully it all backfired and very remain true. As I said all along I wish you no harm, but I will stick up for myself and intend to remain on ES and not be driven out. My hope is that 2005 will an end to all this pettyness.
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Time out.
Why does it worry me.
Because me,my daughter family and friends have to share the planet with this person who is so messed up does not care about herself,has no self rspect and quite clearly has no respect for anyone else.
You are being stalked LL by someone who needs help. I do not think answering her in the same vindictive manner is of any use. I think we should pity her.
Have you ever felt so motivated to be so venomous to anyone,I know I have not.
So let us pity her,she is obviously a very sad lonely poor woman.Let us hope she gets help very quickly. God be with you.
Thankyou you TDP, but I think the comments I received on this forum helped me.Yes they were at a time when I had some of the worst things happening in my life but I think they probably made me stronger and after all the old saying sticks and stones is very true.
So please let us call a truce.We have so much to talk about,lets not be nasty to one another,life is to short and I for one do not want to waste my time on meaningless people.
That is the last I will say about this matter except to ask whether that is a bunny boiling in a pan in my kitchen?
Ending on a light note.
DJKeefy™
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Keefy I will be down there soon (busy with work) and will glady SHOW you myself all the IP info you seek, if you wish. Could not do it myself was too techinical but knew a man that could and did. Incidentally what WAS done to me, Pat and the crowd there know all.....if its any interest to you.
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Originally posted by WELSHLADYUK:
Matter WAS closed but as you see (as expected) Ge Ge and luxorlover/FatladyUK had to have the last word, but I wont even go there the two are so sad. I would however still like to see these pics which you refer to are all over the internet, because it is not me.Keefy I will be there soon and will glady SHOW you myself the IP info you seek, if you wish.
The matter was closed. Are you now in charge of this forum.
You are stupid as well as ignorant.
If I want to make further postings on this subject I will, and you, most certainly will not tell me when a matter is closed.
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Originally posted by AnotherNewMember:
Maybe I should change my name to Americanlady, or should I do it in all CAPS, AMERICANLADY, USALADY, NEWYORKLADY, so original.
(GE GE quote) So please let us call a truce. This person who is so messed up does not care about herself,has no self rspect. We have so much to talk about,lets not be nasty to one another,life is to short and I for one do not want to waste my time on meaningless people. If I want to make further postings on this subject I will.
GE GE - how did u enter this LL/FLUK/WL fued it was nothing to do this you, you should keep out of matters you know nothing about and do not concern you, you dont even know me how can you therefore pass judgement? You are not forced to read any of these threads, you choose to. If you want to answer British womans post positively then do so, I am sure she would appreciate it.
I am neither sad, stupid or lonely and I have a LOT of self-respect for myself, you are so rude!
British woman did you get any positive suggestions in the end of this post or was it full of this slagging match?
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Welsh you have my deepest sympathy, what is it with this forum.
But when you are being slanderous about people I respect then I will add to the discussion.
If you think I am rude you should read some of your posts. They do not make polite reading.
As for a facelift that went wrong, that is very sad, but maybe we should be happy with what god has blessed us with. Because no matter how we try to change our exterior we are still the same person inside.
Dont'they say you get the face you deserve by the time you are forty, whether you have been happy,sad,bitter,nasty.
God I wonder what yours is like Welshlady.
You see LL is so nice and she is very beautiful.