hmm... am I not pretty close to?To anyone else out there looking for a professional massage I would say never never go to an Egyptian man. It is not right in their religion to touch a woamn in this way and in any case few have the right sort of training. The better hotels contract in European staff because of this very problem.
You really should name and shame. It is disrespectful for a Muslim Egyptian Man to talk to a woman other than his wife let alone give massages to another woman. You should still report this. It is a pity you did not have the courage to do it at the time. A similar thing happened in Luxor, but at a hairdresser's would you believe. The guy was carted off and did not return to that job.
Come on girl, put the word out and stop this pervert from doing it to someone else. You are lucky you have an understanding boyfriend.
LOL
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Originally posted by nevermind:
Ladies, let's not get so americanly sexually harrassed, please. A woman's body us one of nature's wonders, a real beauty to behold. No wonder some poor less experienced male species just subdue to its call. I am not saying anyone should be allowed anything he/she wishes, unless both wish it, but nature certainly did not set rules or borders to pleasure, we humans have done that ourselves (have no idea, why, actually).
Nothing about it can't be any more disgusting than the person in question might be (and they come in all shapes and sizes). It is simply human nature calling, sometimes answered, sometimes not.
Peace!
Oh please!!!!
[This message has been edited by Samia (edited 21 February 2005).]
hmm... am I not pretty close to?
This girl went for a MASSAGE... She was ASSAULTED!!! Not Misenterpreted....
hmm... I understand she was loved.. with hands 
. We humans never touch what we do not like or what gives us bad feelings, right?
These guys don't get 'carried away'.. he knew exactly what he was doing!
Basically, he was doing her good... :P, no seriously it is good to get aroused, it enlivens your blood circulation, and from health point of view it is not important who does it.
He needed his face slapped!!!
That i maybe even agree, too, but only because we have these unfathomable silly rules that tell us to do that. No other reason to slap a person who is essentially doing a good thing. Now that is what I call losing touch with reality for us, humans.
he needs to be reported to the hotel!!!
Oh, probably, but again, what a shame, that we happen to think so
(no hard feelings sami, please, am just trying some out-of-the-box thinking here)
Yet I am sure that maybe Krissy is a little to young to know what do to yet. That's okay, live and learn.
Krissy whether or not you actually file a formal compliant that's up to you.
But sharing this information on this forum is enough of a service. Thanks for the heads up.
Why did God give us childbirth and gave men the exterior sensitive organs?
BEHAVIOR CORRECTION
You've done a great service to alot of women, on egyptsearch.com and all who visit Egypt.
Good for you. Now that takes about 20 lbs of your shoulders, doesn't it?
Hope you feeling a lttle better
hope you feeling better
Can't say where or with whom, but I deal with many hotel complaints. This is not one of 'my' hotels. I would be very interested to hear how the hotel responds to you.
Congratulations on having the courage to follow it up.
Sonomod, I absolutely agree with what you said. Good for you I don't think you will be tackled if some of these guys read your response.
I feel a lot better about it now, just regret that I didn't tell him to ... off when it happened! Haven't heard anything from the hotel yet. I found the hotel's email address on the internet, I hope it will be read by the right persons and not just some manchauvinist ho decides to but in the junk (there were almost only men working at the hotel.)
Thanks to everybody here for support.
I wouldn't mind seeing a male massageur (or what you call it in english)in Norway after this as I think the chances of the same thing happening here is very slim. I got the impression that the Egypt guy must have done this many times and that he was used to "willing" women, at least I don't know where he got his confidence from. I realize he was trying to manipulate me, trying to make me want him as much as possible. At first I thought something like "ok this is unusual but maybe the egyptians are more pyshical then we're used to up north", but when he suddenly tried to take my underwear off and touch my breast, I told him to stop. He did but tried to kiss me a few minutes later (not a real try but hi put his mouth only a centimeter away from my face, as he wanted me to take the first move.) Just unbelivable!!!
Anyway, I'm over it now:-)
But the story does offer a good scenario :). I hope you can remember it with a slight chuckle, dear krissy. Myself I kind of love dominant male characters, though, must be the case of modern men all being so mushy around here...
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Originally posted by nevermind:
Originally posted by Samia:
NEVERMIND, Get real!!!
This girl went for a MASSAGE... She was ASSAULTED!!! Not Misenterpreted....
hmm... I understand she was loved.. with hands
These guys don't get 'carried away'.. he knew exactly what he was doing!
Basically, he was doing her good... :P, no seriously it is good to get aroused, it enlivens your blood circulation, and from health point of view it is not important who does it.
He needed his face slapped!!!
That i maybe even agree, too, but only because we have these unfathomable silly rules that tell us to do that. No other reason to slap a person who is essentially doing a good thing. Now that is what I call losing touch with reality for us, humans.
he needs to be reported to the hotel!!!
Oh, probably, but again, what a shame, that we happen to think so
(no hard feelings sami, please, am just trying some out-of-the-box thinking here)
dude, or lady. Have u ever been charged with sexual harassment?
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Originally posted by MENTAL PROBLEM:
dude, or lady. Have u ever been charged with sexual harassment?
WHAT????? I won't justify you with an answer, because I don't understand why you're asking a middle-aged woman the question!! 
Maybe YOU have?????
This is all scary, best bet, get married & have your husband do the massaging.. lol.
Take care.
I agree with your post on this thread. The masseur should be reported to the hotel and the police. COULD U TELL ME WHAT WOULD AN EGYPTIAN WOMAN"S REACTION BE IF SHE WAS IN KRISSY"S PLACE?
but closer to the truth is that i find it necessary that women rise rise rise their self-esteem until they feel at least equal! no small dirty mind s hands can dirty the pure holy me, while he might get the holy experience required for his soul, and a lasting image to haunt him for many days still to come...
feel your power and stand strong..
AND do exactly what is good for YOU
does not have to sound so tooth-to-tooth, but for the sake of clarity here.
Our bodies are the source of power, not something to be ashamed of, sisters, so be forgiving to the ones who subdue to it
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Originally posted by nevermind:
oh sweet indulgence in words, sami...while he might get the holy experience required for his soul, and a lasting image to haunt him for many days still to come...
Our bodies are the source of power, not something to be ashamed of, sisters, so be forgiving to the ones who subdue to it
nevermind, would u put your post in simple english ? i ain't being sarcastic.
u r actually justifying the massuer? saying that the massuer in question is not all that bad, because he simply "subdued" to her body? her "source of power" ?
u said: "so be forgiving to the ones who subdue to it." Do u mean: it is okay for a guy to start touching a woman simply because he has an urge? it is not his fault, but he is simply "subduing" to yr body?
do u have an example other the one on this thread?
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I personally would prefer the last to the knowledge that my dear partner or husband is simply performing the "proper" thing, you know, out of pure sense of responsibility
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Originally posted by nevermind:
so licenced sex,i.e. the one that you have informed your government about, is on some reasons more "pure" than unlicenced sex, i.e. if your government does not know about that. So sex is a kind of government thing? an administrative ritual or something?
no, it's a consentual thing. she was paying him for a service - a massage. he overstepped his boundary by suggesting sex and acting inappropriately without any provocation from her.
what the hell is wrong with you? next you'll be telling us rapists can't "help" themselves when they attack 60 year old grandmothers.
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Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
next you'll be telling us rapists can't "help" themselves when they attack 60 year old grandmothers.
Rapists don't ask and that's the difference. Forcing makes the difference, in any area of human interaction, BTW.
Why i am spending time here with this subject is because of 2 alarming tendencies:
(1) women do not think or care of themselves, we care of men (as a rule), while men think & care of themselves (as rule).
When the girl was approached with suggestions, what was her first thought? Was it: hmm.. will it be good for me? I bet not. It was: oh, what will he think of me, and secondly, oh, what will my boyfriend think. What will 2 men think! then only (maybe) her. As if what a male person thinks of us plays any role! Their opinion doesn't make us (but it does now becaue we believe so). The guy ther never even considered the gir'ls opinion because he simply didn't care of her opinion, it was insignificant to him if the girl would think he is a rascal so what, it's just a girl's thinking. Then why do we, women, lay so much importance to what guys (ex-cu-se me-e) think of us. Who are they to be allowed to think anything at all?
Why do we always think of all sexual encounters that men will profit from these, why do not we choose to profit from these because clearly the sexual contentedness and ability to derive pleasure is one reason that makes men so high-opinioned of themselves. Time to take some of it back, ladies.
And boyfriends are not for massages, I do believe a few strategic muscles are really not the ultimate virtue of male species. Physical pleasure can be given to us by anyone pressing the correct nereve endings and we should really stop thinking this is the ultimate intimacy between two persons. it is mostly just most convenient to have one sex partner per time, because of all complications, but a human can really have numerous very satisfying sexual partners, while it is really really difficult to find soul intimacy and a soul partner, so this I think the most important loyalty factor - not physical loyalty but loyalty of soul. Sharing the secrets, the dreams, the deepest beliefs, or keeping them to yourself, that makes the decisive difference for real intimacy.
(2) human part of interaction is rapidly disappearing in all kinds of service encounters. the services are all being reglemented by authorities to a point where you enter them as if you'd enter an automate that will perform everything that is described on its label, then spit you out at the other end, no emotions, no extras, no influence of the sharm and abilities of your own person or that of the service provides playing any role here the way it was in the business in the old times--you wanted good service, you needed to act nice. Now you just act the way you please but still expect the service provider be nice to you. The system is providing us with excuse to be worse humans... no this cannot be positive tendency in the long run.
Esp. the EU is now strongly going in that slippery direction. We are close to a point where a customer marches in, not saying a word, and expects the service provider launch the announced service (probably defined by a number combination in the service menu, just point with your finger) automatically, perform it to the letter or the way customer has interpreted your offer (or a complaint will result) then pay and march out. The customer will not need to exercise any personality in trying to guarantee the quality of service and trying to get a personally tailored service, because the system is doing it for him/her. And we do not get any tailored or personal services any more, soon, we'll get mass produced industrial services the way we get hamburgers at McDonalds. No old charming ways of walking into a workshop, discussing your needs, letting yourself be reconvinced maybe because the professional knows best, then getting something one-of-a-time, exactly for you.
The result?? Strong and strengthening systems, weak and weakening personalities who cannot stand up for themselves. E.g. the norwegian girl here could have simply slapped the man or told him to change his behaviour PRONTO! thus actually standing up for herself, behaving like a strong person. But she is already a person weakened by strong consumer protection systems (and ideology) thus she simply files a complaint, letting the system go to war with the guy. An Orwell's 1984 in its makings..
(sorry to the heroine here, just used it for the illustration)
إيران ترفض مشاركة واشنطن في المحادثات النووية
سوريا "سوف تنسحب من لبنان"
رئيس وزراء الصومال في المنفى يتجه إلى الصومال
وايت قال إن "الأشباح" جزء من الماضي
قال الرهينة السابق تيري وايت لدى وصوله إلى بيروت التي اختطف فيها قبل سنوات إنه لا يشعر بأي خوف من كونه في لبنان لأول مرة منذ تحريره من الأسر عام 1992.
وكان وايت يعمل كمبعوث أسقف كانتربري الخاص، واحتجز في بيروت على يد جماعة حزب الله لمدة خمس سنوات.
وقال وايت في تصريح لـ جي أم تي في: "اعتقدت أنني قد أشعر ببعض الخوف حين أصل، لكن هذا لم يحدث."
وأضاف: "لو كانت هناك أشباح فقد واجهناها وتعاملنا معها منذ سنوات."
وسوف يلتقي وايت أثناء زيارته بصغار يستفيدون من برنامجY-Care الذي يعمل لحسابه، ويساهم في الاستعدادات الجارية للاحتفال بمرور 20 سنة على إنشاء المنظمة.
مستبعد
وقد بدأت مأساة وايت عام 1987 حين احتجز بينما كان يحاول التفاوض نيابة عن أسقف كانتربري لإطلاق سراح رهائن.
وقضى معظم سنوات احتجازه في حجز انفرادي مظلم وهو مقيد إلى حائط.
وقال وايت إن "لبنان تغير كثيرا منذ كنت هناك، لدي ذكريات عن مدينة محطمة، أرى أنه بني الآن".
ولدى سؤاله عن شعوره لو التقى بالأشخاص الذين أخذوه رهينة، قال وايت إن ذلك "مستبعد كثيرا".
وأضاف: "أعرف أن الأمريكيين طرحوا مكافأة قدرها مليون دولار لمن يأتي بهم، ولا أعتقد أنهم سيأتون للقائي طالما بقيت المكافأة."
ثم استدرك: "لكنني لا أمانع في الالتقاء بهم، سيكون من المشوق رؤيتهم بعد هذه السنين."
ارسل هذا الموضوع لصديق نسخة سهلة الطبع
إقرأ ايضا في الشرق الأوسط
اخترالمجلس التشريعي الفلسطيني يقر حكومة قريعإيران ترفض مشاركة واشنطن في المحادثات النوويةسوريا "سوف تنسحب من لبنان"رئيس وزراء الصومال في المنفى يتجه إلى الصومالانفجار مستودع للأسلحة في جنوب السودانإدانة عسكريين بريطانيين بإساءة معاملة سجناء عراقيينمقتل 10 في انفجار سيارة ملغومة في تكريتكرامي مستعد للاستقالة بشروطالسعودية ستعلن أسماء المشتبه في تورطهم بهجمات إرهابيةالسجن14 عاما لصحفي إيراني من كتاب الإنترنتزيباري: أي هجوم على سوريا أو إيران سيؤثر سلبا على بغدادالقوات الأمريكية تشن هجمات على الأنبارالائتلاف العراقي الموحد يرشح الجعفري لرئاسة الحكومةعلاوي يشكل جبهة معارضة في العراقإسرائيل ترحب بالسفراء العرب الجددمنظمة دولية تتهم مصر بتعذيب المعتقليناتهام رجل بـ"التآمر لقتل بوش"سورية تؤيد إجراء تحقيق في اغتيال الحريريمحمد عاصم سفيرا جديدا لمصر في إسرائيلالسعودية تحذر من الإسراع باتهام سورية باغتيال الحريريبوش: الناتو يوافق على إرسال قوات إلى العراقالمئات يتظاهرون في القاهرة ضد مبارك
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Originally posted by lifetimeenjoy:
even he was calm but other guys FORCE women for their bodies !
Hmm... u know when you live long enough up north here where u are FORCED to force yourself on men if you ever want to have any partnership at all, u might actually enjoy the strong arab will.
No kind of will up here, men just living like cabbages, like sometime rain happens to them and sometimes sun .. and sometimes, rarely, a woman..
My true word!
Dear Mr. Sherif,
Have a good day from Novotel Sharm El sheikh,
Thank you very much for your below e-mail concerning the Spa complaint,
please we need the guest name and the date of her stay in the hotel in
order
to investigate and take the necessary action regarding this matter.
Please provide us with this details as soon as you can, and please
advise
how did you get this complaints??
Thank you and best regards,
Nihal El Maghraby
Executive Secretary
Novotel Sharm El Sheikh
h1715@accor.com
please give me these data dear to send it to them as soon as possible .
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Originally posted by Ayisha:
nevermind, no idea what you on about and whats governments got to do with it? ...............confused.
nevermind what nevermind said, s/he is trying to make sense to the word bitch.
1. would u have enjoyed being in Krissy's place?? i.e. being sexually touched by a masseur?
2. do u find uninvited physical contact by a man exciting? e.g. how about being hit on by a taxi driver? would u like a cab driver to put his hand on u affectionately while taking u to yr destination?
3. u say u r up north. where?
please be straight FRANK
hmm... I understand she was loved.. with hands . We humans never touch what we do not like or what gives us bad feelings, right?
nevermind , I am really surprised at yr interpretation. "She was loved by hands. "
Quite a viewpoint u have....please elaborate
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Originally posted by lifetimeenjoy:
hey you Krissy ! don't put me in such a Position didn't you read what i've done ??? send me the Required details please the hotel is gonna act as soon as they make sure !!!
Lifetimeenjoy, with all due regard I think you have a problem here, imagining you are set to solve other people's problems for them, playing a kind of god for them. U see, this is exactly the kind of thinking that the US practices in the world--setting them to be the sole ones who know what is good or bad, what should be done, and finally, forcing their solution on others. It is part of respect to another human being that you let him/her take care of own life him/herself. If Krissy wishes to disagree here, it's up to her of course, but this is how it works in general among people otherwise--know the limits and do not intrude in another's business of living.
Happy beginnning of March, everyone!
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Originally posted by nevermind:
Lifetimeenjoy, with all due regard I think you have a problem here, imagining you are set to solve other people's problems for them, playing a kind of god for them. U see, this is exactly the kind of thinking that the US practices in the world--setting them to be the sole ones who know what is good or bad, what should be done, and finally, forcing their solution on others. It is part of respect to another human being that you let him/her take care of own life him/herself. If Krissy wishes to disagree here, it's up to her of course, but this is how it works in general among people otherwise--know the limits and do not intrude in another's business of living.Happy beginnning of March, everyone!
lifetimejoy didn't seem to me like someone who is trying to run someone's else business but his motivation as he himself said was " i won't allow to my self to watch them destroying egypt's tourism " that goes with the famous quote "‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’", History teach this.
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Originally posted by Troubles101:
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’", History teach this.
..which is exactly what keeps them good. Now we need to get the other half (evil one) also do nothing, instead of supporting the evil philosophy of INTRUDING or any other way of forcing oneself on others. But good try, Troubles :)
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Originally posted by nevermind:
Now we need to get the other half (evil one) also do nothing, ...
Excuse me how do you get the other half doing nothing ?
You say "no we need to" , excuse me but this statment itself puts you in the same box with lifetimejoy.
As for the good half, Do you think they shouldn't speak up when seeing someone's rights are being abused ? is that what the victim needs or the abuser?
Your understanding of freedom and tolerance seems very immature and contradicting to me
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Originally posted by Troubles101:
As for the good half, Do you think they shouldn't speak up when seeing someone's rights are being abused ? is that what the victim needs or the abuser?Your understanding of freedom and tolerance seems very immature and contradicting to me
Everyone should speak up for himself/herself. it keeps the world harmony whereby we all get from life what we deserve (mostly). No trying to jump them over their shadows, Troubles, just beause you happen to be a bit forward (mut maybe also backward, you never know about developments exactly in which direction they go, until later)
What i seem to you depends of you more than me :)
If anything, it discredits future complaints.
Good intentions, bad execution.
quote:
Originally posted by nevermind:
Everyone should speak up for himself/herself. it keeps the world harmony whereby we all get from life what we deserve (mostly).
This is no difference than knowing that a specific dark street has a big hole in, yet I would not warn anyone about it and just say they will get what they deserve? but even if this true then none should speak in the first place even the one who got his/r rights abused as their complain wont help them in anyway but will only serve to help those who don't know and this according to you is not okay, so at the end we will be left with the bad thing happining and none doing a thing about it which happen to be the reason of many negative things in my country, you see this thing about "it's not my business" or " let them learn by themselves" everyday, you get hit but you wont say anything because it wont be any of your business anymore to complain and at then end no one complain and the abusing contuinue though none like it.
Take the girl here for example why should she speak for herself when things happned already and she may not even come back to Egypt, if she complain it will serve only to help others.
quote:
What i seem to you depends of you more than me
Depends on us both I believe but don't ask me what you seem to me
quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
Actually, the person who posted this said she's already written to the hotel. I don't think it's his place to contact the hotel and complain unless he's asked permission and gotten the details FIRST. I mean, if you were hotel management and discovered this complaint was based on a story you saw in an internet forum which you cannot even validate -- what would you think?If anything, it discredits future complaints.
Good intentions, bad execution.
I agree , I would rather complain when i see it with my eyes or know about it from a person I trust and once I'm sure I become responsible to complain or advise about it.
quote:
Originally posted by Troubles101:
:D
Good to see smiling faces now and then.. :).
U almost make a point here but there are two reasons why I disagree. The first is that even if you take to camp beside a hole in a dark street for the rest of your life it is not a very efficient way because you cannot possibly cover all dark holes in the world (plus I actually think you might have brain potential for a more useful life somewhere). The second is that there will always be new holes appearing somewhere, so the best idea still is to train everyone watch out for holes and defend themselves. U do not do it if you act as a guardian angel (or maybe war angel) and by trying to protect people actually keep them what they need best: the will and stamina to defend themselves.
So the girl here had a new experience in her life, OK she could not quite react ASAP, but I guess she's thought about it now and next time probably she'll watch out and make herself clear. Because you can ban the person from that establishment but you aren't banning him from life (god forbid)! He'll still be lurking around and not getting a point until the women whom he treats just help him understand, clearly. This is reality--you get people and their different understandig of ways and you need to cope with theirs versus yours and somehow part as friends or at least with some mutual respect.
I've already sent an email to the same address h1715@accor.com (over a week ago, the day after I came home). Haven't heard anything.... but I'm starting to forget the whole episode.
Before I went to Egypt I thought that muslims were very respecful about the female body, guess I was a little naiv, they are also men..I should have told the massage guy Sherif then and there to ... off but I have only my self to blame for that I didn't!
I read on my travel agency's internetpage before I went to Egypt that they warned tourists to bring egyptians to their hotel room because it was against the law or something and it could lead to serious consequenses. So, I remember I thought that Egypt must be a very strict country and different from Greece, Spain etc. where the men are always hitting on tourist girls, (and the girls sometimes are into it as well of course). Not that I had anything of this in mind since I was there with my boyf (and because it's not my style anyway), but point is that I thought things were different in Egypt.
So I was very surprised when this happened! I don't think I would have taken massage from a man in fex. Greece, because they have this reputation etc. BUT- again, I was wrong , and a little naiv!! Of course I understand that all men in Egypt are not as sleezy as the massage guy, but I only had this naiv idea that muslims were more decent or something... Guess that only goes for the muslims girls, not the men! That is really provoking by the way, but that is another discussion:-)
Of course I told my boyf, lifetimeenjoy, why shouldn't I? It wasn't my "fault" that this happened, I swear I only went there to get massage, and I love my boyf very much! He only felt sorry for me (and angry of course), but I guess the men up north are a lot more tolerant/understanding about issues like this than fex. muslim men.
Anyway, I wouldn't have the slightest interest to get my massage down by an Egyptian man. I lived too long in the country to understand their mentality.
Please bring this terrible experience behind you, hopefully this episode didn't ruin your impression of this wonderful country and you will be back very soon.
It was nice of you to contact the hotel. But I don't know why they answered you and not me, it is the same address. I have deleted the email I send to them (as I have to delete my "sent mails" box quite often because of pressure on the mailbox). I could write a new complaint, but I'm not going to give it to you over this forum, and I have already tried the H1715@accor.com address!
Why does the hotel write "dear Sherif" by the way? Is your name Sherif too? The massage guys name was Serif.
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Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
..... I mean, if you were hotel management and discovered this complaint was based on a story you saw in an internet forum which you cannot even validate -- what would you think?If anything, it discredits future complaints.
Good intentions, bad execution.
Expat, I'm not sure I agree 100%. I think you are thinking like a westerner, and if that hotel were in Europe they might discredit the complaint because of the Internet connection, but I am not so sure they will here in Egypt, for a couple of reasons.
First, Egyptians love gossip. You have to remember that. They live on loving to pass on anything juicy they can get that makes a good story. Remember all the rumors that get passed on, even in the newspapers here, that you have to verify....like the Christian girls that are being held captive until they convert.... or the child at Carrefour that was abducted.... or the girls that were being killed and chopped up by some taxi driver in Cairo. Come on...they LOVE it and it's the Gods Honest Truth in their minds until proven otherwise... so the fact that this story comes from the Internet has nothing to do with the validity of it at all, I'd bet.
Second, the probability that it is true is way over 50% given the town it is coming from. If it is true, the hotel has probably had complaints in person about this guy from other guests and a written complaint from someone saying they heard this and he won't be staying at the hotel in the future because of it, may actually mean something. If you have a hotel and you care about this sort of thing getting out, then your employees need to be above reproach.
In anycase, I bet the hotel has a feeling whether the story is true or not, and actually it just comes down to if they will do something about it or not.
Unfortunately, for the OP, it is uncommon for *"nice" women to live and work in Sharm, so finding female employees for this kind of work isn't easy for the hotel, yet customers want massage now and then, so what can the hotel do? Plus normally a westerner wouldn't be put off by having a man do the work. Seems the boys in Sharm have turned the massage business into what it was in the states about 30 years ago....maybe it is still the same in the states....at least in certain areas of any large city it would be a wink-wink situation if a man were to say he wanted to go get a massage.
*"nice" = respectable Egyptian woman. Most "respectable" Egyptian women wouldn't be allowed, by her family, to go live in Sharm alone to work. That is an Egyptian boy/man thing to do. And... LOL.... many of them are not considered the most respectable people either.
Of course this way, a rumour will have spread and it will damage his reputation. But I'm sure he already has a reputation and most of the hotel staff know it. After all, as you said...
There are a large number of *nice* Egyptian women living and working in Sharm. They work in the schools, the hospitals, the hotels and have their famililes living in Sharm with them. Likewise there are many many good Egyptian men working there. Why do people seem to always forget that a place like Sharm has all the infrastructure of government, business, police, hospitals, schools etc just like any other large town. All these institutions need staff and workers to run them.....can we have some perspective please, not everybody is a tourist ******.
Likewise though I agree the hotel will take the complaint very seriously. I know of many young men that were sacked for much smaller disgressions. Replacements are always readily available and the hotels will do anything not to loose their good reputations.
where have you been....??
Expat, yeah, top hotel management may be foreigners but this isn't a top level complaint. This would probably not go beyond HR and HR possitions are generally filled by Egyptians. Top management doesn't want to be bothered with crap about some SPA kid feeling up a customer. I bet a few more heads would roll if someone below top management didn't handle this first.
My husband is egyptian and the massages he gives seem less mechanical than those given in American physical therapy offices.
I wonder if becuase you felt an attraction and noted his appealing looks if your body gave of pheremones that were overwhelming and the massaeus picked up on it.
I don't intend to blame you because you were clearly victimized. But our bodies and spirits do operate in other realms.
Had you not have had a boyfriend would your response differ?
Remember you pondered the situation with confusion. He may have been confused by the mixed messages your body was sending.
Now before you go losing your cool, let me say that this "masseuse" did act unprofessionally and he was out of bounds. Ok?... OK.
What has me laughing are all the knickers in a twist here. I've kind of been enjoying nevermind's little out-of-box play and I must say she does have a few valid points.
But I guess it's human nature to climb on the ole soap box (just as I just did). This forum is a riot sometimes.
As to the young "offended" lady, please understand I am not disrespecting your situation. I just find the cries for BLOOD! BLOOD! BLOOD! a bit melodramatic.
because you accepted what he did.
so the women they let the man to do it then after they enjoy they say "help, Police"
You are the guilty...
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