I was back in the British Embassy in Cairo this morning waiting to collect my notice of marriage. A Young Couple in their early twenties came in, he was scottish she was egyptian. At first I assumed she was Christian as her hair wasn't covered. she looked to be about 6 months pregnant. They went to the counter together and said they wanted to get married and he needed to apply for a notice of marriage. The woman at the counter then said he needed to have converted to Islam, to which he confirmed he had after that they filled out their forms and left hand in hand.
My father in law who is Egyptian was with me and he was quite shocked that she was obviously pregnant and they were unmarried, to me coming from a western culture this is fairly normal and didn't faze me, although I know Egypt views this differently and is a very conservative community. It got me thinking as to whether attitudes here are changing. Obviously unmarried pregnancies do happen in Egypt, my soon to be husband who is 31 can remember a girl from his school getting pregnant, but it was very much hushed up and she was sent away as he remembers, a bit like they used to do to unmarried mothers in England up until the mid 70s. This is not the case at all any more and you are no longer looked upon any differently (in my opinion) if you are unmarried and have a child.
Do you think people here's attitudes are changing ?I would be interested to know your views on this?
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Usually, when a girl gets pregnant, there are two possibilities: She marries the father or someone else who wants to do that (for whatever reason that might be) or she gets an abortion. Thats when she has a family behind. Thought it happens that girls, out of reach for their families, are getting pregnant, and have no place to go. They are preys for bad willing men. I never heard about girls who are visable pregant without being married, because her family would not allow this. Maybe you saw the exception on the rule...
Posted by The Ministry of Common Sense (Member # 15597) on :
I was 20 and unmarried when I became pregnant with my son in 1988 (in USA). My strict Irish-Catholic family promptly disowned me and still to this day has not spoken a word to me. I remember travelling for the first time to Egypt and Jordan a few years ago. I struck up a conversation with a houseguest of the family I was staying with. I mentioned I had a son and the woman asked me where my husband was. I told her I was not married and she lectured me for the next half hour about how inappropriate this was. I should have just told her I was divorced apparently that would have been more culturally acceptable - she would have just looked at me and felt pity.
It's an interesting question really. It would be nice to think the attitudes are changing, but I think it's too much to hope for right now. This culture still considers a divorced woman taboo. I don't think it is ready to accept single parents.
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
I fell pregnant right to this day exactly 11 years ago and had just started working for a wellknown advertising agency in Cairo. I had to quit even if my boss (female and divorced which I found quite interesting) insisted I should stay. I said to Heba: "Look I am pregnant and not married, how long it's gonna take that people here will talk about it - even that I am a foreigner??"
Posted by justvisiting (Member # 14989) on :
Most unusual.
Most unusual indeed.
Posted by The Ministry of Common Sense (Member # 15597) on :
quote:Originally posted by ?????: Usually, when a girl gets pregnant, there are two possibilities: She marries the father or someone else who wants to do that (for whatever reason that might be) or she gets an abortion.
Which raises an entirely different topic...where exactly would a girl go to get an abortion in Egypt? I'm sure there are plenty of illegal back-alley places, but how does she find out about them? Surely there are not too many people she can confide in to help her.
Posted by Slewth (Member # 16166) on :
Or places that would be safe to do so. Think of the women who died during the procedure due to unclean, unskilled practicioners preying on the desperate women. Used to be like that in the USA years ago, then along came Roe vs. Wade and now women are free to make the choice, and have to answer to only God.
Posted by mamasue (Member # 4691) on :
I have a Russian friend who went to a doctor in Cairo for an abortion. She was surprised by the cleanliness and professionalism at the place..... but it was very expensive.
Posted by Culture Club (Member # 13767) on :
I never heard and see pregnant and unmarried girls walk outdoors freely, I though her family and friends will recognize her, sah?. Maybe some of them, but they hide inside home and not to go out or sent to other places far away from home.
It is good that the western boyfriend of her will marry her even a lot of requirements needed.
I think there is no marriage for pregnant and unmarried girl. He must wait till she delivers the baby. Correct me if I am wrong.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Ministry of Common Sense:
quote:Originally posted by ?????: Usually, when a girl gets pregnant, there are two possibilities: She marries the father or someone else who wants to do that (for whatever reason that might be) or she gets an abortion.
Which raises an entirely different topic...where exactly would a girl go to get an abortion in Egypt? I'm sure there are plenty of illegal back-alley places, but how does she find out about them? Surely there are not too many people she can confide in to help her.
That's a male task. Ask around, informing by friends who are trustworthy. Of course when something is supposed to be a secret, they have to be very carefull in this. But there is no other solution...
Posted by The Ministry of Common Sense (Member # 15597) on :
quote:Originally posted by Slewth: Or places that would be safe to do so. Think of the women who died during the procedure due to unclean, unskilled practicioners preying on the desperate women. Used to be like that in the USA years ago, then along came Roe vs. Wade and now women are free to make the choice, and have to answer to only God.
Well that is exactly what I was thinking...that these would be unsafe procedures. Just like it used to be in the States and many, many women died. I know some people who work in the healthcare field in Cairo and they both say that Egypt's mainstream healthcare is so "primative" and so far behind the times. I can only imagine it would be worse for a procedure like an abortion that is not sanctioned. No doctor can advertise that he has the "state of the art equipment". No Planned Parenthood to give girls referrals. And I would assume, if the girl died during the procedure, there would be no accountability because the cause of death would most likely be altered.
It would be interesting to study this subject more in depth, but virtually impossible. Every girl that is has ever happened to would be forbidden to speak about it.
On the flip side - I think it is very easy to get birth control pills in Egypt. Maybe even easier than the States. The pharmacist won't sell birth control pills to an unmarried Egyptian woman without a prescription, but she can easily have someone else go buy the pills for her. I have also heard that Egyptian doctors prescribe birth control pills easily for "clearing up acne" and "regulating periods".
Posted by Lady Ferret (Member # 15263) on :
Birth control methods are widely available in the major parts of the country but less prevalent in rural.
My part of the arguement is what about the poor women who have been told childbirth could kill them or women who fall pregant due to rape.
It won't be long before there is an Abortion Boat like this:
It will be filled with many women being carried out in to international waters where laws are different and they will be able to carry out abortions within the law.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Once I've heard about an unmarried girl, poor,pregnant,from the south, who ran away to Cairo, trying to make a living there. Her pregnancy at that moment wasn't that much visable, so she managed to get a job as a cleaner in a house. The Mrs. of the house thought there was something strange about the girl, asked a bit further, and the girl admitted she was pregnant. The people had to send her away, because they feared for a lot of troubles when the girl should get birth to a baby while living in their house. Anything could happen: Revengeous families from the south, unreal accusations concerning the pregnancy, and of course the scandal in their house... So, no, I don't think attitudes have changed. The only strange ting about such cases is that absolutely nobody offers help to such a girl. She probably is forced to give birth to the baby somewhere out on the streets, she will be extremely vulnerable to bad willing men (and as I understood there are a lot of men willing to make abusement of such cases) and the child will have to face the same problems, when it's a girl. It is my biggest objection against people who ALL declare their religion as very important. That pushing away from women in need...nobody who will offer help, while it is obviously a woman in need... Not only in pregnancies, also in traumatised women, who have had bad sexual expierences. I think humanity should also be a part of practising any religion, while this is totally excluded, and is going into religious norms and values. I've heard about a small number of such cases, and I never heard that somebody offered practical help. Isn't that strange?
Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
quote: Which raises an entirely different topic...where exactly would a girl go to get an abortion in Egypt?
When I found out I was pregnant in Cairo, getting the abortion pill wasn't going to be a problem. It was mentioned to the doctor, and he gave some info on it, etc, didn't seem hard to come by at all. (Thank god I knew from day one I didn't want an abortion, and didn't go through with it *phew*).
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Abortion-pill???? I didn't even know they existed...
Posted by cairocks (Member # 16473) on :
????? didn't even know men and women in Egypt can talk to each other, so no surprise there from Mrs Stupid.
Posted by Dubai Girl (Member # 15488) on :
The abortion pill has been around for about 10 years that i know of, i remember a girl I knew at Uni took it. As far as I'm aware you can only take it in the very early stages of pregnancy
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Mrs. Rejected... Posted by Dubai Girl (Member # 15488) on :
Cairocks you seem to be quite the antagonist....do you have a grudge against Amr? You seem to have posted a lot about him today. Not that I care, I just noticed is all.....
Posted by justvisiting (Member # 14989) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dubai Girl: I was back in the British Embassy in Cairo this morning waiting to collect my notice of marriage.
Not to drag this too far off topic, but what's a "notice of marriage"?
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dubai Girl: The abortion pill has been around for about 10 years that i know of, i remember a girl I knew at Uni took it. As far as I'm aware you can only take it in the very early stages of pregnancy
Yeah, I looked it up. Untill 7 weeks, so only 3 weeks usable. Strange that I didn't hear about it. Doctors don't advice it here, to much risk on heavy bleedings. Women are not allowed to be alone, and they have to stay in the near of a telephone. So, thats a pretty big risk.
Posted by Dubai Girl (Member # 15488) on :
Well that was my other topic I posted the other day...It's just a piece of paper you get stamped at the embassy which means you are free to be married at the MOJ and also the Church in my case...actually on the form its called "statutory declaration"
Posted by cairocks (Member # 16473) on :
For someone who claims to enjoy sarcasm, ????? ought to learn how to use it effectively, just once. Last time I looked, she had ran from the forum, as her mostly ignorant, racist and moronic views were so mocked by most. Let's exclude a few idiots like 'Pillar'ied' - who changes names every time it is declared she is universally stupid or she makes yet another enemy.
The saddest thing about ????? is she doesn't even have a clue how out of touch most of her views are with reality.
quote:Originally posted by ?????: Mrs. Rejected...
Posted by *Dalia* (Member # 13012) on :
quote:Originally posted by ?????: That's a male task. Ask around, informing by friends who are trustworthy.
That's what happens if the guy is not a jerk who just disappears. And ideally, he should also pay for it.
quote:Originally posted by ?????: Of course when something is supposed to be a secret, they have to be very carefull in this.
Recommendations for abortion clinics etc. are not exactly being kept a secret here.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Amr, Misho, Pillar, Alchemist, me, starts to be a real list! And all that people seem to keep you pretty busy, at least, when they haven't ban identity number that much. I have no idea who you are, but you seem to have an opinion about all of them. Go ahead, Mrs. Rejected, get angry untill your bloodpressure is rising that high that it will be fatal. One monster less.
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
I would say that "Maria" is on the loose again!! Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
Abortion for financial reasons is permissible, says Azhar Sheikh
By Yasmine Saleh First Published: November 25, 2007
CAIRO: A mother of three, 35-year-old Maha (not her real name) was shocked when she found out she was three months pregnant. Poor and desperate, she knew that her only way out of this crisis was an abortion.
“I begged a relative of mine to help me have an abortion,” she told Daily News Egypt.
A few weeks later, her relative books her a room in one of Egypt’s top private hospitals, where she was falsely admitted for surgery to have her appendix removed, but actually had the abortion.
That was 10 years ago, and despite the fact that Maha’s financial situation has improved tremendously since her husband got a job in Dubai, she doesn’t regret the abortion and believes that if she were to go back in time, she would make the same decision.
Although abortion is illegal in Egypt according to the Penal Code section 260 — which prohibits it under any circumstances — the procedure is often undertaken in big hospitals illegally.
According to Sheikh Mahmoud Ashour, member of the Islamic Research Center, “abortion is not permissible according to Islam, except in emergency cases.”
Ashour told Daily News Egypt abortion is permitted if the pregnancy is a threat to the mother’s life, or if there is strong medical evidence indicating that the baby could be physically or mentally disabled.
When asked if dire financial circumstances are considered an emergency, Ashour said that it was, “as long as the family suffers economic burdens and will not be able to provide for the newborn.”
If the baby will make the family suffer in any way, he added, then having an abortion is acceptable as long as it is done during the first 120 days of pregnancy.
Last week, Daily News Egypt reported that MP Mohamed Khalil Kwaitah filed a motion to the PA requesting legalizing abortion for rape victims who are no more than four months pregnant.
Ashour agrees with Kwaitah’s request, emphasizing that rape is one of the top cases where exceptions to the general rule must be accommodated.
However Dr. Abdel Rahman Shahin, media spokesman at the Ministry of Health, told Daily News Egypt that the Ministry of Health was not aware of Kwaitah’s request.
“As far as I know abortion under any circumstances is banned by Egyptian law, but exceptions to the rule should be granted by religious scholars not by any other authority,” Shahin said.
I learned that they give birth control pills for free in places were vaccines for babies are given. They were handing out those and hubby said they're free. Is this true?
Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
quote: Yeah, I looked it up. Untill 7 weeks, so only 3 weeks usable. Strange that I didn't hear about it. Doctors don't advice it here, to much risk on heavy bleedings. Women are not allowed to be alone, and they have to stay in the near of a telephone. So, thats a pretty big risk.
Yeah, I think in England you have to stay at the clinic, after all, it is making you have a miscarriage, so you have to pass the baby. I didn't speak directly to the Egyptian doctor, but I don't think there was any mention of me staying in a hospital, more that I would be given the pill, and then sent on my way! Argh. But then, the doctor I went to was primitive. I would have only been three weeks pregnant and he gave me a scan. Any doc should know that he wouldn’t have seen anything, instead it just made me worry that nothing was there. Told me NOT to take folic acid!!!! Said I was in fine health- although didn’t check anything (and considering I’m overweight, it was a rather bad medical assumption). He was just a guy in an office, in an unfurnished building.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Think about what should happen when such a bleeding was to big...you simply would bleed to death while lying in your bed! Did the doctor give any reasons why he adviced to take NO folic aid?
Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
quote: Did the doctor give any reasons why he adviced to take NO folic aid?
He said not to take any chemicals when I asked about any tablets I should be talking.
Posted by of_gold (Member # 13418) on :
Kitty, You must take folic acid. It is not a chemical it is a B vitamin and I understand that not having it can increase the odds of the baby having a clef palate.
Posted by desertgirl (Member # 12450) on :
quote:Originally posted by ?????: Yeah, I looked it up. Untill 7 weeks, so only 3 weeks usable. Strange that I didn't hear about it. Doctors don't advice it here, too much risk on heavy bleedings. Women are not allowed to be alone, and they have to stay in the near of a telephone. So, thats a pretty big risk.
About abortion-pills... I think you can take them up till 12 weeks of pregnancy. Heavy bleedings?? It depends on the person. In Belgium you have specialised centre where you can go to. You can go home the same day.
Strange what I read about acid foil here... Lots of doctors advise it to even take it before you are actually pregnant. Here we have vitamins called Omnibionta. It has acid foil in it and is highly recommended to pregnant girls/ladies.
Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
quote: Kitty, You must take folic acid. It is not a chemical it is a B vitamin and I understand that not having it can increase the odds of the baby having a clef palate.
Don't worry, as soon as I got back from Egypt I took it. I'm no longer on it now though, as its pointless after 12 weeks.
I thought the benefits of folic acid would have been known globally by doctors. Any one been pregnant in Egypt and the doctor did tell them to have it? Maybe I just saw a bad doctor lol.
Posted by cloudberry (Member # 11163) on :
quote:Originally posted by weirdkitty:
quote: Kitty, You must take folic acid. It is not a chemical it is a B vitamin and I understand that not having it can increase the odds of the baby having a clef palate.
Don't worry, as soon as I got back from Egypt I took it. I'm no longer on it now though, as its pointless after 12 weeks.
I thought the benefits of folic acid would have been known globally by doctors. Any one been pregnant in Egypt and the doctor did tell them to have it? Maybe I just saw a bad doctor lol.
I think it was just a bad doc! I can't remember the details anymore and one reason is also that in the beginning most doctors mainly talked in Arabic to hubby and only something to me in English (until we found a god doctor). BUT ALL of them did give prescription for vitamins (even in Luxor), and all these included folic acid.
You do not need to take extra folic acid pills IF you eat things that have it a lot. I'm quite particular about my eatings and especially so during pregnancy. BUT I can guess that most people (especially Egyptian) do not eat very healthy.
Posted by Momma_Dukes (Member # 14252) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dubai Girl: I was back in the British Embassy in Cairo this morning waiting to collect my notice of marriage. A Young Couple in their early twenties came in, he was scottish she was egyptian. At first I assumed she was Christian as her hair wasn't covered. she looked to be about 6 months pregnant. They went to the counter together and said they wanted to get married and he needed to apply for a notice of marriage. The woman at the counter then said he needed to have converted to Islam, to which he confirmed he had after that they filled out their forms and left hand in hand.
My father in law who is Egyptian was with me and he was quite shocked that she was obviously pregnant and they were unmarried, to me coming from a western culture this is fairly normal and didn't faze me, although I know Egypt views this differently and is a very conservative community. It got me thinking as to whether attitudes here are changing. Obviously unmarried pregnancies do happen in Egypt, my soon to be husband who is 31 can remember a girl from his school getting pregnant, but it was very much hushed up and she was sent away as he remembers, a bit like they used to do to unmarried mothers in England up until the mid 70s. This is not the case at all any more and you are no longer looked upon any differently (in my opinion) if you are unmarried and have a child.
Do you think people here's attitudes are changing ?I would be interested to know your views on this?
thats so BS that they need him to convert to islam. like wtf is it their business what he believes in and shouldnt a person convert to islam because they want to instead of have too?
my god, egypt is retarded.
its a shame over there. there are many unmarried pregnant girls, especially the street ones who are like 12 who are forced to give birth in alleys and stuff.
Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
quote: I think it was just a bad doc! I can't remember the details anymore and one reason is also that in the beginning most doctors mainly talked in Arabic to hubby and only something to me in English (until we found a god doctor). BUT ALL of them did give prescription for vitamins (even in Luxor), and all these included folic acid.
Argh yes, he done that too. I knew he spoke English, but he spent most of the time speaking in arabic to sam. I was getting so angry, it is my first pregnancy, I had no idea what to do or what to expect. In the end, I done my research in an internet cafe lol.
Posted by tina kamal (Member # 13845) on :
i was pregnant and unmarried at 17 and i wouldnt change the past for nothin.. my son is my most prized joy... and my twins ofcourse..
Posted by Slewth (Member # 16166) on :
Also, folic acid helps with preventing spinal bfida as well.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
quote:Originally posted by desertgirl:
quote:Originally posted by ?????: Yeah, I looked it up. Untill 7 weeks, so only 3 weeks usable. Strange that I didn't hear about it. Doctors don't advice it here, too much risk on heavy bleedings. Women are not allowed to be alone, and they have to stay in the near of a telephone. So, thats a pretty big risk.
About abortion-pills... I think you can take them up till 12 weeks of pregnancy. Heavy bleedings?? It depends on the person. In Belgium you have specialised centre where you can go to. You can go home the same day.
Strange what I read about acid foil here... Lots of doctors advise it to even take it before you are actually pregnant. Here we have vitamins called Omnibionta. It has acid foil in it and is highly recommended to pregnant girls/ladies.
It makes it sound like going to the supermarket and buy coffee. In my believes, abortion, by pills or by treatment, is a very serious decision. Not like hopping in a centre, get a small treatment and go on with life like before. It is taking away a life! Maybe its the catholic background... Posted by Slewth (Member # 16166) on :
Also the folic acid helps with brain development in the embryo in the first stages of development.
Posted by cloudberry (Member # 11163) on :
quote:Originally posted by desertgirl: Strange what I read about acid foil here... Lots of doctors advise it to even take it before you are actually pregnant.
This is true. If you are trying to get pregnant it's adviced to take folic acid.
Posted by Lady Ferret (Member # 15263) on :
Girl I know had an abortion in the UK last year and she took the abortion pills at home. No big deal nowadays. It is more an expense than an inconvenience.
Posted by pablo_7777 (Member # 15522) on :
hi every body. hi WK.
i think that i ahve translated every thing have been told by the doctor.
and i told u that the doctor said u have astable pregnancey no need for any chimicals also said dont ever have that junk food from mccdonalds or KFC also he said u look strong so no need to be worried .
didnt i said every thing or what?
that doctor was not bad doctor. and that all what he has said.
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
quote:Originally posted by pablo_7777: dont ever have that junk food from mccdonalds or KFC
You'd be surprised to hear what women munching down during pregnancy and they deliver perfectly healthy babies!!
For example with my first son it had to be Chinese food for several months. I'd send hubby to get me spring rolls and fried noodles with vegetables all the time. Posted by *Dalia* (Member # 13012) on :
quote:Originally posted by pablo_7777: and i told u that the doctor said u have astable pregnancey no need for any chimicals
and i think all of u ultrasound tests u had claimd and ensured what the doctor said.
have anice day from egypt Posted by *Dalia* (Member # 13012) on :
quote:Originally posted by pablo_7777: and i think all of u ultrasound tests u had claimd and ensured what the doctor said.
WK is right, it is highly unusual to have an ultrasound during the third week of pregnancy. Usually the first one is done at about nine to twelve weeks.
So it sounds as if the doctor you took her to was not really that professional.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Maybe he wanted to make some extra money. Foreign woman stands for extra money...
Posted by Lumpy butt (Member # 15631) on :
I had an ultrasound in sharm when iw as 7weeks pregs..... I also ate my own body weight of chocolate in the later part of my pregnancy and Ameria is fine and dandy... enjoyed eating Mo'men when i was in Cairo too.
I saw one good doctor in egypt, the others gave me pills that pregnant women can't have (thank god i checked the leaflet). One doctor said i didn't to have a nose operation... when i only had an ear injection! I never trusted the doctors when i was there, but that was just my experience.
Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
I think an ultrasound from 5+ weeks will show something. One at three weeks shows nothing (I know, I was there lol). I would have thought a doctor would know that, and wouldn't worry a mother. In england, the first one is at 12 weeks, though I went private and had one at 8 (as three week scan freaked me out, and made me worry nothing was there!).
I have never heard a bad thing about folic acid. You are supposed to take it from before conceiving until 12 weeks, for the reasons Slewth mentioned. A doctor, no matter how good, can look at someone and say: "You're fine"- especially someone overweight. I am high risk by englands standards because of it. I'm not complaining, I get an extra scan, so get to see my lil one an extra time. Never go to a doctor who hasn't even got their toilet plumbed in yet, that's all I'm saying BUT- don't think I'm slating Egyptian health care. I'm just slating the guy I saw. I'm sure many of you (who have had babies, or health issues) in egypt received great care. Feel free to share your stories, as I would hate this to turn into another slating egypt thread.
Posted by pondadreefah (Member # 16518) on :
Oh how its lovely that some can fall back on the NHS lucky lucky .
Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
How much does the "average" pregnancy and delivery cost in Egypt, once prices are all added up?
Posted by pondadreefah (Member # 16518) on :
Would not know dont like kids . But correct me if wrong you do not need to pay in England if you are on NHS .And dont they like the CSA involved make the man pay or does the state keep them .
Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
quote: Would not know dont like kids . But correct me if wrong you do not need to pay in England if you are on NHS .And dont they like the CSA involved make the man pay or does the state keep them .
In England everyone is covered by the NHS, we don't pay a penny because a certain percentage of our wages go to it (although it also covers every one whose income is too low to contribute), just like tax. As for CSA, I don't know much about child support. If the man (or woman) is not living with the child, then he/she has to pay. The amount depends on their income. However, it is best to do this privately instead of officially, otherwise it can effect the amount the woman is entitled to from other benefits (like income support).
Posted by unfinished thought. (Member # 16076) on :
Two interesting articles:'
Scientists Find 'Baffling' Link between Autism and Vinyl Flooring March 31, 2009
Children who live in homes with vinyl floors, which can emit chemicals called phthalates, are more likely to have autism, according to new research. The study is among the first to find an apparent connection between an environmental chemical and autism.
The scientists were surprised by their finding, especially since their research was not initially designed to focus on autism. The researchers recommend further study of larger numbers of children to see whether the link can be confirmed.
In the study, families were asked questions about flooring as part of research investigating allergies and indoor air pollutants. The researchers found instead that four environmental factors were associated with autism -- vinyl flooring, the mother's smoking, family economic problems and condensation on windows (which can be an indicator of poor ventilation).
Infants or toddlers who lived in bedrooms with vinyl floors were twice as likely to have autism five years later.
Vitamin D deficiency symptoms are strikingly similar to those of autism.
As noted in Globe and Mail, according to the Vitamin D Council:
"Falling vitamin D levels over the last 20 years due to sun‑avoidance explain autism’s rapid increase in incidence during that same time. The very different effects estrogen and testosterone have on vitamin D metabolism may explain why boys are much more likely to get it than girls are. Lower vitamin D levels in blacks may explain their higher rates of autism. The vitamin D theory has tenable explanations for all the epidemiological features of autism.
..pregnant women, infants, children, everyone—especially autistic children—should receive sensible sun exposure daily: around noon or 1:00 p.m., expose as much skin as possible, 10–30 minutes duration—depending on how easily one sunburns"
Posted by pondadreefah (Member # 16518) on :
quote:Originally posted by weirdkitty:
quote: Would not know dont like kids . But correct me if wrong you do not need to pay in England if you are on NHS .And dont they like the CSA involved make the man pay or does the state keep them .
In England everyone is covered by the NHS, we don't pay a penny because a certain percentage of our wages go to it (although it also covers every one whose income is too low to contribute), just like tax. As for CSA, I don't know much about child support. If the man (or woman) is not living with the child, then he/she has to pay. The amount depends on their income. However, it is best to do this privately instead of officially, otherwise it can effect the amount the woman is entitled to from other benefits (like income support).
So if he has to pay does this include the egyptian man who has his wicked way even though in my eyes it takes two to tango and do the splits .
Posted by happybunny (Member # 14224) on :
There is NO WAY the CSA can chase a man in Egypt, so the money will come from single parent benefit.
I had a mixed lot of doctors in Egypt to be honest, some where great others really crap. I would say i felt better having my 3rd child in the UK purely because i KNEW the system better. It just made me feel more comfortable. One doctor in Egypt wanted to knock me out completely for the birth of my son - WTF it was only when i changed doctors and made a birth plan with him that i realised lots of women i knew do this in Egypt. Also C-Sections are really common too, i had to make my hubby swear he would not consent willynilly. To only consent if he had too!
Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
People living abroad do not have to pay child support unless they are working for the British government (such as being deployed in the army etc). Obviously that isn't the case with Egyptian guys.
Eek HB. I would hate to be knocked out whilst giving birth. I don't want to feel the pain, but I don't want to be out cold either! The idea of giving birth in egypt would freak me out because the doctors/midwives would probably be talking arabic with each other, and I would personally want to know everything said when I’m the one in labour.
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
quote:Originally posted by weirdkitty: I think an ultrasound from 5+ weeks will show something. One at three weeks shows nothing (I know, I was there lol).
Quite interesting the following link. By the end of viewing all pictures yoú'll be a pro!!
Pregnancy Ultrasound Photos Week by Week for Fetal Development
So is it right then the man does not get to see his child grow up if they want to play a part in the upbringing of the child .But some not bothered cause the state will keep them and no worries on money part . So just saying it was a must in the UK and you had to by law name the father where ever he resided ,what you say i had a fling in Egypt and i do not know or where he lives ,but if they had the fling here and you knew who it was you rip his ass to shreds .Why is it ok to sleep with someone you hardly no and then get up the duff and go home .What ever happend to religious moral principles .So confused on women who need or even men come to think of it that need to sleep here and there .
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
quote:Originally posted by weirdkitty:
quote: Would not know dont like kids . But correct me if wrong you do not need to pay in England if you are on NHS .And dont they like the CSA involved make the man pay or does the state keep them .
In England everyone is covered by the NHS, we don't pay a penny because a certain percentage of our wages go to it (although it also covers every one whose income is too low to contribute), just like tax. As for CSA, I don't know much about child support. If the man (or woman) is not living with the child, then he/she has to pay. The amount depends on their income. However, it is best to do this privately instead of officially, otherwise it can effect the amount the woman is entitled to from other benefits (like income support).
Health-insurance payment is income-related? We HAD something similar, but right now everybody has a basic health insurance, with a free choice in insurance company. Monthly rate is ± € 95,- p/p a month. Low incomes are getting a kind of subsidy. Insurance companies are not allowed to refuse anyone, because that was the problem before. As soon as anyone was a too big risk because of a bad health, the companies refused them, so all what was left, was a kind of gouvernment insurance which was extremely expensive. (200% of the current amount)
Posted by *Dalia* (Member # 13012) on :
quote:Originally posted by ?????:
Monthly rate is ± € 95,- p/p a month.
Wow, that's cheap!
In Germany it's also income-related.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Cheap, really? Everybody is complaining here! As I understood, also in Germany there are certain treatments allowed, while they are forbidden in Dutch healthcare. For some treatments it is kind of 'new' to go to Germany or Belgium because normally they don't have waitinglists. At the same time it is reason to investigate the treatment by itsselve, because it also could be less safer as it is in Holland. Since a few years there are a sort of independant treatments centre's owned by the same doctors as in the hospitals. Strange thing is they work much faster, give the same treatment, and its cheaper, so the insurance allows. The problem is, they only give the kind of treatments with the highest profit, don't have their own labatories, x-ray departments etc. So, people go there, because they are helped faster, and for the regular hospitals the less lucrative issue's are left: First aid, lab, x-ray, and the very specialised departments like heart-surgery clinics. It brings a completely false position in health-care. So, I guess we need to have much changings in health care.
Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
NHS isn't health insurance, it's our national health service. A poor person will get the same medical care as a rich person (unless you go private, which costs). I don't pay towards NHS because I'm a university student, so only work part time- but that just doesn't come into it when I need to go into the hospital. It isn't their job to care what I have paid, etc, they just have to help whoever turns up, whatever the circumstances.
Posted by ExptinCAI (Member # 1439) on :
quote:Originally posted by pondadreefah: So is it right then the man does not get to see his child grow up if they want to play a part in the upbringing of the child .But some not bothered cause the state will keep them and no worries on money part . So just saying it was a must in the UK and you had to by law name the father where ever he resided ,what you say i had a fling in Egypt and i do not know or where he lives ,but if they had the fling here and you knew who it was you rip his ass to shreds .Why is it ok to sleep with someone you hardly no and then get up the duff and go home .What ever happend to religious moral principles .So confused on women who need or even men come to think of it that need to sleep here and there .
Interestingly in the UK (and it also applies throughout the Commonlaw countries), you don't have to put the father's name on the birth certificate as this gives the father certain parental rights... and the father is STILL legally responsible for paying child support.
If he denies, then you can force him to get a DNA test to prove he's the father, and they will then take child support directly out of his employer's paycheck! All this, and the father has no legal rights to the child.
Very pro-woman, the system, almost unfairly so.
Posted by cloudberry (Member # 11163) on :
quote:Originally posted by weirdkitty: Eek HB. I would hate to be knocked out whilst giving birth. I don't want to feel the pain, but I don't want to be out cold either! The idea of giving birth in egypt would freak me out because the doctors/midwives would probably be talking arabic with each other, and I would personally want to know everything said when I’m the one in labour.
You can't be knocked out during NORMAL delivery. You need to be awake so you can push the baby out. I THINK (???) HB means c-section?
Yes they have horror stories but those stories seem to be all over internet, no matter what subject. If all goes well no one bothers to tell it here.
It's not really that bad at all. At least the staff in "my hospital" was really sweet and helpful. Everyone was. You just need to find the right place.
Posted by happybunny (Member # 14224) on :
No i do mean knocked out! Then forceps are used, honestly my MIL said I should do this - less painful. Posted by Kalila : ) (Member # 14517) on :
quote:Originally posted by happybunny: No i do mean knocked out! Then forceps are used, honestly my MIL said I should do this - less painful.
Nah i don't believe that for a second! it's so you won't scream your head of when they rip you asshole to breakfast!! Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
quote:Originally posted by happybunny: No i do mean knocked out! Then forceps are used, honestly my MIL said I should do this - less painful.
We never get medications by giving birth. If it really would be that horrible, nobody would have more then one kid.
Posted by marydot (Member # 15932) on :
I Have known some people to come to the uk..fly over and get pass passport control,make it into london city pass out then taken to hospital get free medical care...before hand they were seriously ill..come here saying their on visiting visa then drop down dead in the street... get the operations they need then bugger off back to their own country when there fit enough to travel...happens all the time...The uk dont care if your black or white rich or poor if you need medical attention then its there we dont refuse anyone...
Posted by pondadreefah (Member # 16518) on :
quote:Originally posted by marydot: I Have known some people to come to the uk..fly over and get pass passport control,make it into london city pass out then taken to hospital get free medical care...before hand they were seriously ill..come here saying their on visiting visa then drop down dead in the street... get the operations they need then bugger off back to their own country when there fit enough to travel...happens all the time...The uk dont care if your black or white rich or poor if you need medical attention then its there we dont refuse anyone...
I beg to differ i have been refused and now you need to show your a resident for more than a year and have had your own passport stamped other wise to show you have been there more than a year ..But not sure how it goes in a life and death situation ,dont think Uk would allow someone to die!!would they? Not like some parts of America no insurance no gain .
Posted by Lumpy butt (Member # 15631) on :
quote:Originally posted by ExptinCAI: you don't have to put the father's name on the birth certificate as this gives the father certain parental rights... and the father is STILL legally responsible for paying child support.
you are not allowed the put the fathers name on the birth certificate unless he is actually there with you, or he has completed the form to say he is the father of the baby.
Posted by pondadreefah (Member # 16518) on :
Not nice having no father on birth certificate ,can be destroying to a childs mind later on in life . I know .
Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
I didn't even look or care about my birth certificate as a child, so I doubt it would have damaged me whatever it said. My brother has no father on his, and he has never cared.
As for father having no rights- if in england, then then I'm pretty sure a father does have rights, and the woman has to allow him visitation (otherwise he can take her to court). Obviously, it is different when the person is abroad, because such rules are impossible to enforce then.
Posted by Lumpy butt (Member # 15631) on :
oh please, what a stupid comment..... my child will know who her father is, just because his name is not on the birth cert doesn't mean her mind will be destroyed when she is older! i think good parenting, good upbringing, and stability is alot more important than a piece of paper.
Posted by Mo Ning Min E (Member # 681) on :
The uk dont care if your black or white rich or poor if you need medical attention then its there we dont refuse anyone...
If you are British, non resident for 5 years, you no longer qualify for free treatment.
Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
Isn't it is this way that a doctor HAS to give medical treatment because of his oath? (Hippocrates) Since this year we all had to show our ID's, so it gets documentated in healthcare, and they did so because there were problems with getting healthcare on somebody elses registration. But I can remember the newspaper published about dentist treatments for some homeless, while they were not insured. Think they have budgets for that...
Posted by satanmademedoit (Member # 11766) on :
Clarification on free treatment in any UK NHS clinic or hospital :
The free treatment comes from income related National Insurance payments.
If you are British resident who has been non resident for 3 months, then you will have no free treatment.
You then require to give proof of UK residency for a minimum of 6 months before you requalify.
Or if you have been paying your National Insurance while out of UK, you qualify.
When you are admitted to hospital, admin will check your National Insurance number. If in doubt, the National Tax Office will be contacted. (This is also where people are caught out if have not been sending in yearly tax forms) If not a British National and have no Uk residency, then you will be billed.
Yes, many will run without paying but if remain in UK, eventually will be caught.
Posted by MoDeStY (Member # 5554) on :
Of course you would assume they did not get married in Islam to get married all you need is your mahram (a father, brother, son, uncle, grandfather) who approve of the marriage and give your hands in marriage and 2 witnesses, and after getting married this way (sex and baby's are halaal) you can go on with the paper work to get it legal by the country you live in, so that stupid people would not assume anything! Muslim people get married this way all over the world!
Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :
quote:Originally posted by MoDeStY: Of course you would assume they did not get married in Islam to get married all you need is your mahram (a father, brother, son, uncle, grandfather) who approve of the marriage and give your hands in marriage and 2 witnesses, and after getting married this way (sex and baby's are halaal) you can go on with the paper work to get it legal by the country you live in, so that stupid people would not assume anything! Muslim people get married this way all over the world!
what if you dont have father, brother, uncle, grandfather and your only son is not Muslim???
Posted by MoDeStY (Member # 5554) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ayisha:
quote:Originally posted by MoDeStY: Of course you would assume they did not get married in Islam to get married all you need is your mahram (a father, brother, son, uncle, grandfather) who approve of the marriage and give your hands in marriage and 2 witnesses, and after getting married this way (sex and baby's are halaal) you can go on with the paper work to get it legal by the country you live in, so that stupid people would not assume anything! Muslim people get married this way all over the world!
what if you dont have father, brother, uncle, grandfather and your only son is not Muslim???
Ask your Qurani Friends!
Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :
quote:Originally posted by MoDeStY:
quote:Originally posted by Ayisha:
quote:Originally posted by MoDeStY: Of course you would assume they did not get married in Islam to get married all you need is your mahram (a father, brother, son, uncle, grandfather) who approve of the marriage and give your hands in marriage and 2 witnesses, and after getting married this way (sex and baby's are halaal) you can go on with the paper work to get it legal by the country you live in, so that stupid people would not assume anything! Muslim people get married this way all over the world!
what if you dont have father, brother, uncle, grandfather and your only son is not Muslim???
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