First hello to everyone. I am new here and I have found my way into this forum by search for answers on Google. I ask a question and they brought me here, so...
I didn't see a forum for what I need to ask so I hope it's ok to post like this.
I have two questions if anyone can help me with answers to them. First Q.: Is there anyway for a man to NOT have to go into the military in Egypt when he finishes with college? ..... which leads me to Q 2: Is there any way for marriage between a woman who's American (living in USA), and a man who's Egyptian (living in Egypt)?
My man and I wanted so much to marry here in USA but we missed our chance to do so. Now he is back in Egypt to finish college which he will do by June and then he will have to enter the army for three years. .... And maybe is there a way for me to marry him without physically being there in person? I have heard that it may be possible to send "proof of" papers to the Embassy and have that be legal for both USA and Egypt.
Thank you so much if you could help at all. We are desperate in search of answers. ... Lisa
Posted by tina m (Member # 13845) on :
there is marriage by proxy since yall have met but its not recognized in the usa.u would have to go there to marry i assume and there use to be a law that if he married an american he wouldnt have to go to the army,but i have heard they stopped that i am not sure though.
Posted by LisaMazz (Member # 18650) on :
Thank you so much Tina. That would leave me hopeful if he didn't have to go in. I just can't get to Egypt in time before the start date of the army.
Posted by tina m (Member # 13845) on :
they might be leniant enough to allow him to marry u while hes in the army. did yall ask?>
Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :
Marrying him will NOT stop him going in the Army.
Why would you want to marry him and not be there??
He wont have to do 3 years Army if he's finished his education, only 2, possibly even 1, not sure how it goes with college grads.
Sorry I don't understand the point of marrying him and not being there, it wont stop him doing the Army and he wont be able to travel on a spouse visa without Army clearance, so might as well wait.
Posted by stayingput (Member # 14989) on :
They used to exempt Egyptian men who married foreign women from military service.
Then they noticed a pattern of marriage, exemption, divorce.
Now when the Egyptian husband requests his exemption documentation for his visa, they take him in straight away.
I guess they figure if he can leave his mother to travel, he can leave his mother to serve his country.
Posted by Shanta Gdeeda (Member # 9889) on :
A friend of mine is a fully qualified doctor - apparently if you are something like that and they take you in, you are an officer and it's for 3 years. He managed to be taken in as a 'foot soldier' so only had to do a year instead.
Posted by Dubai Girl (Member # 15488) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shanta Gdeeda: A friend of mine is a fully qualified doctor - apparently if you are something like that and they take you in, you are an officer and it's for 3 years. He managed to be taken in as a 'foot soldier' so only had to do a year instead.
Like everything else in Egypt even the army is totally corrupted. My husband was exempt because he has no brothers but his best friend had to join so to make his life easier his father paid money so that he didn't have to do the initial 40 days training at the military college and as he was a pharmacy graduate he spent his entire time in the army working in the army hospital pharmacist.
My father in law was not so fortunate when he joined the Egypt/Israel war kicked off and he ended up spending something like 5 years in there before he could leave
Posted by marydot (Member # 15932) on :
quote:Originally posted by LisaMazz: First hello to everyone. I am new here and I have found my way into this forum by search for answers on Google. I ask a question and they brought me here, so...
I didn't see a forum for what I need to ask so I hope it's ok to post like this.
I have two questions if anyone can help me with answers to them. First Q.: Is there anyway for a man to NOT have to go into the military in Egypt when he finishes with college? ..... which leads me to Q 2: Is there any way for marriage between a woman who's American (living in USA), and a man who's Egyptian (living in Egypt)?
My man and I wanted so much to marry here in USA but we missed our chance to do so. Now he is back in Egypt to finish college which he will do by June and then he will have to enter the army for three years. .... And maybe is there a way for me to marry him without physically being there in person? I have heard that it may be possible to send "proof of" papers to the Embassy and have that be legal for both USA and Egypt.
Thank you so much if you could help at all. We are desperate in search of answers. ... Lisa
Get your head out of the clouds...
Posted by Monkey (Member # 17287) on :
Lisa, does he want to get married? What's your aversion to Egypt? If you want to marry an Egyptian, visiting Egypt is a given. You don't want to cut yourself off from America - don't expect him to cut himself from his roots. You have to meet in the middle. Do you really want to be married and living on separate continents? For, maybe, 3 years? How old are you? Three years is a long time.
If he wants this marriage by proxy thing, well, that sounds somewhat sus. Would your family be happy with you marrying someone they'd never met? I highly doubt his would either. Family is a big deal in Egypt. If that isn't already apparent to you then something is awry.
I wish you the best of luck. My advice would be, if you're really sure about him and intent on this, go there - see Egypt for yourself. You don't know it til you've tried it
But the getting married bit, I'd slow down, take your time. Marry in haste, repent at leisure, or so they say.
Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
I'm confused why you don't just go there to marry? Marrying without actually being together, and they say romance is dead! Out of curiosity, would you ever consider doing it that way with a man from your own country?
As for the military, he has to do it. If you two hope to get him a visa one day, he will need to hand in his completion letter from the army (translated). Maybe he will be one of the lucky ones that won't actually need to serve. Many Egy men are put on "hold", if the army needs them, they'll get them, if not then after three years you will get the all done and dusted letter from them. My husband was never called up, his eldest brother was, and his younger brother is currently in the three years wait and see.
Posted by LisaMazz (Member # 18650) on :
Well thank you very much everyone for all your advice. It is all taken into appreciation and consideration.
Some of you ask why I do not wish to, or why I do not just go to Egypt? My answer is simply because I cannot afford to at this time in my life but yes of course I would love to be there with him if I could. But money stops me there. I would love to meet his family surely, and he mine as well.
We have known one another for many years now, it is not a quick romanced idea. We have had plans to marry within the last couple but could never make that happen obviously. We were hoping that if we could marry now then he would be able to come here to live as he wishes to. He does not wish to live in Egypt, his dreams he says are here with me in America. So yes this is not just my wishing, but his as well.
Family is a very big part of my life also, and his would be as well. Our families know of our situation and they understand. To be together is the most important to us. We would of course need to travel to share time in both countries when we marry, when we are financially set to do so.
But thanks so much again for all your help.
Lisa
Posted by marydot (Member # 15932) on :
In the years you have known each other, you could of saved money together for the air flight?
Even a small amount each week would of helped and mounted up.
If you want something bad enough in life then you will make sacrifices.
Three years is a long time to wait for someone..
Posted by Tareq (Member # 18033) on :
quote:Originally posted by marydot: Three years is a long time to wait for someone..
I would say It is all about the degree of Love and the personality.
As for me, I would say 10 years is my minimum period. I can still wait for someone for 30 years.
30 years always pass like winds.
Posted by anthropos (Member # 9410) on :
Tareq on what planet are you living?? If you wait thirty years your life passes by while you wait!
To the OP. If this man was American would you go through all of this? Please it is not worth it.
Posted by London (Member # 18795) on :
Hello Lisa, We went all through this six years ago. Please Feel free to send me a private email. Your partner will go for a selection at the army and They take x amount of men each year, ie his Could be deferred. An option he has, as my husband did, is to re enrole In university ( he can do this until he is 30) They will not take him whilst he is a student and they will stamp his passport as free to travel for another Year, he can only leave Egypt during university holidays The problem you will have is thy the states will not Give him a quick visa, no tourist visa etc. If he were to re enrole in university for October That would give you more time to marry, if that is really What you want to do. Would you consider moving to Egypt during this time? My then partner left in the university holidays and we had Got a fiancée visa for the Uk. We married in the Uk and he Found work, we have a beautiful girl and are very Happy together. The next problem is re newing the passport for travel, the consulate here gave him another year to travel with military Travel, we couldn't go to Egypt as we wouldnt be able to get out again, but we travelled. My husband waited 5 years to get his British passport and he THEN became exempt from military as he held Another passport but not because we were married. It can be done, but with a lot of love, patience and time. I hope this helps you and I know it's a really tricky time
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