1. The true age of AE
2. The impact that AE had on the flowering of Greece
3. The extent of AE sea travel
4. The impact AE had on Abrahamic religions
5. Whether AE had the first monotheistic religion
6. Whether AE had the first writing
Any others?
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Originally posted by blackman:
What about the Hebrews as slaves, Moses, and the Exodus?
That's number 4 on SunStorm's list.
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Originally posted by sunstorm2004:
Just to "catalog" for a moment... Besides the "race" thing, I can think of these other controversies regarding AE:1. The true age of AE
2. The impact that AE had on the flowering of Greece
3. The extent of AE sea travel
4. The impact AE had on Abrahamic religions
5. Whether AE had the first monotheistic religion
6. Whether AE had the first writingAny others?
Not sure that each one of those points can't be either directly or indirectly related to the "race" thing, or at least where ancient Egypt civilization originated.
1. What did ancient Egyptian music sound like?
2. Is the ancient Egyptian language really deciphered right[my friend Ossama Alsaadawi questions this]
3. How much of ancient Egypt survived in modern Egypt.
4. What caused the end of the Old Kingdom
5. Who really built the sphinx,and who is the model for the sphinx
6. What are the relationship between the royal mummies?
7. How do biblical chracters fit within Egyptian history?
8. Was dry or wet natron used to prepare mummies
9. Was Egypt united before Narmer?
10. Who were the dyansty 0 pharaohs
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Originally posted by ausar:
Another contrversey is piecing together the assorted king's lists known. The accuracy and validity of these texts are questioned by many Egyptologist. You have different chronologies according to these kings list. How much can you trust Manetho is another dilema for most historians. Only fragments of his complete text survive,and most within the writings of others such as Josephus.1. What did ancient Egyptian music sound like?
2. Is the ancient Egyptian language really deciphered right[my friend Ossama Alsaadawi questions this]
3. How much of ancient Egypt survived in modern Egypt.4. What caused the end of the Old Kingdom
5. Who really built the sphinx,and who is the model for the sphinx
6. What are the relationship between the royal mummies?
7. How do biblical chracters fit within Egyptian history?8. Was dry or wet natron used to prepare mummies
9. Was Egypt united before Narmer?
10. Who were the dyansty 0 pharaohs
While we are at this, how about the so called "mysteries" surrounding the Pyramid builders and the ideology behind its structure?
1)Did science, mathematics,engineering, medicine, and philosophy first begin in Egypt/Nubia rather than in Greece?
2)Were Heron of Alexandria, Plotinus and Euclid bona fide, indigenous Egyptians?
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For example, it's said the main reasoning behind the limit on the age of AE is that there's no archaeological evidence for civilization beyond 4,000 b.c. or so. But the question is, could much archeological evidence survive any longer than that? (...without being buried under the sands, etc.?)
Do you guys believe AE "blossomed" suddenly around 4,000 b.c. as it seems, or do you think there's credence to the testimony of the AE -- that the civilization is much older than that?
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Originally posted by sunstorm2004:
So what do you guys think of these controversies? Do you accept the classicist line?---
For example, it's said the main reasoning behind the limit on the age of AE is that there's no archaeological evidence for civilization beyond 4,000 b.c. or so. But the question is, could much archeological evidence survive any longer than that? (...without being buried under the sands, etc.?)
Do you guys believe AE "blossomed" suddenly around 4,000 b.c. as it seems, or do you think there's credence to the testimony of the AE -- that the civilization is much older than that?
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Civilization doesn't blossom out of nowhere. It's something that must evolve. We just have to keep looking. The answer might be infront of our faces...
The absolute chronology of the Nile Valley is hotley contested. Recent work by Fekri Hassan, based on extensive radiocarbon datings of pre-dynastic sites, has pulled the badarian epoch down to 4400-4000 BC. Even these dates are not consistent with the termoluminescent tests giving the Badarian a date of 5000 bc. the thermeoluminescent date given by Hoffman of 5000 BC for the Badarian at least has the virtue of creating more chronological space for the pre-dynastic era.
Ta Seti and the beginnings of Nile Valley Civilisation.
Qustul aritifacts confirm what Egyptian annals had already attested: there were whole dynasties that immediately preceded the 1st Dynasty under Menes.
Hieroglyphic signs on a seal from a related find at Siali, also located in Nubia furnished the name for a kingdom: Ta Seti "land of the Bow".
A sequence of tombs affiliated with 12 pharaohs comprise Cemetery L at Qustal stretching back 300 years prior to the 1st Dynasty, what logically follows from the evidence is Ta Seti represents the beginning of pharaonic civilisation and is truly a founding dynasty, segueing directly into the unification dynasty innuagurated by Aha-Menes. Apparently the demise of Qustul coincides with the campaign of Aha in Ta Seti, which as therefore brought down by it's sucessor dynasty. - Charles Finch MD; Egypt, Child of Africa.
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Qustul aritifacts confirm what Egyptian annals had already attested: there were whole dynasties that immediately preceded the 1st Dynasty under Menes.
Hieroglyphic signs on a seal from a related find at Siali, also located in Nubia furnished the name for a kingdom: Ta Seti "land of the Bow".A sequence of tombs affiliated with 12 pharaohs comprise Cemetery L at Qustal stretching back 300 years prior to the 1st Dynasty, what logically follows from the evidence is Ta Seti represents the beginning of pharaonic civilisation and is truly a founding dynasty, segueing directly into the unification dynasty innuagurated by Aha-Menes. Apparently the demise of Qustul coincides with the campaign of Aha in Ta Seti, which as therefore brought down by it's sucessor dynasty. - Charles Finch MD; Egypt, Child of Africa.
That says a lot. Findings go back further and further... Could the time before unification have been the *true* "first intermediate period"?