Not only is South Africa a leader in preserving Ancient African history; the priceless collection of thousands of documents once held in Timbuktu’s ancient libraries and universities...
it also is a leader in modern African history...
South Africa's new Gautrain, with speeds up to 100 mph, launched for World Cup 2010. Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
imported technology; imported hardware; white south african inventions LOL!! When Black Africa has its own homegrown technology, better yet, when Black Africa builds its own automobile, then will they get respect. Until then, buying western, white south African and asian technology only proves how backwards and dependent these people are to the other races.
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^DUMMY what is wrong with importing technology? This is called "TRADE" stupid.
Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
^STUPID, there is no pride in not being able to build your own technology. This is called "PRIMITIVITY," dummy.
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
quote:Originally posted by Gigantic: imported technology; imported hardware; white south african inventions LOL!! When Black Africa has its own homegrown technology, better yet, when Black Africa builds its own automobile, then will they get respect. Until then, buying western, white south African and asian technology only proves how backwards and dependent these people are to the other races.
dummy,nigeria could make cars,and a few countries in africa could do.the know is spreading.others are doing it too.how the hell you think asia,did.cars are made in south africa too and mostly blacks are build it.modern technology is in africa and being made by blacks.south african know how and knowhow from some other are spreading in africa.
most of the blacks in south africa build the tunnels and stations.
blacks in south africa are building new technology there has well.
it's thier country so they know what going on know how is there.
it seems no one complains when east asia imports new tech. than they make thier own.
that is what south africa has done and african countries on average to a lesser degree.
Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
quote:Originally posted by kenndo: dummy,nigeria could make cars,and a few countries in africa could do.the know is spreading.others are doing it too.
It is fvcking 2010! You Africans have yet to produce your own vehicle (LOL)! This speaks VOLUMES.
quote: how the hell you think asia,did.cars are made in south africa too and mostly blacks are build it.modern technology is in africa and being made by blacks.
What fvcking car are you people making? Name the vehicle, Liar (LOL)!
quote: south african know how and knowhow from some other are spreading in africa.most of the blacks in south africa build the tunnels and stations.blacks in south africa are building to new tech there has well.it's thier country so the know how is there.
I can't even understand a shyt you are saying. What are you? Some semi-literate African?
quote: it seems noone complain when east asia import new tech nad than makes thier own,that is what south africa has done and african countries on average to a lesser degree.
South Africa was modernized because of the Whites. That is real talk.
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
a-hole you know exactly what i am talking about,you seem to me the illiterate one,it's edited.
of course it has become to mosrt modern african country because of whites,but blacks too. it was mostly black labor that build the country.both black and white made south africa.today south africa has become more modern,and it's because of blacks and whites,most;y black now since they rule.
the proof is below.
Subject: Industrial Revolution going on in Africa.
Some people don't know that their is a begin of an Industrial Revolution going on in Africa. A lot of countries are starting to build their industry. For example in Nigeria they now manufacture their own car parts, part of motors and in 5 years they will build for 100% their own motors. A lot of western products are been copied. The same what happend 20 years ago in China before their Industrial Revolution is now happening in Nigeria.
Quote: Western scientists confirm the beginning of an industrial revolution in Nigeria. For example in the city Nnewi, 300 kilometres at south of the capital Abuja, their are more then thirty industrial companies who are making car components. On average each company has a small hundred employees in service.
Industrial revolution: African tigers Les Celliers de Meknes is one of the many industrial companies in Morocco. The firma is owned by Brahim Zniber, who produces especially foods: soft drink, cattle fodder, vegetable oil, textile. Also car components ' The industrial revolution in Morocco stands in the start block-systems
The industrial revolution in Morocco is beginning to start' , according to Bouchaara . ' Except local companies also the foreign investments are growing . Renault builds in Tanger one of the largest car factories in the world. Within ten years our economy is at the level of Spain.' The infrastructure has improved enormously. We have recently a fantastic new motorway from Tanger to Marrakesh. ' Morocco is not the only country in Africa where the industry is starting to begin. Except in a number of other countries in North Africa industrial companies are also strong in rise in particularly Nigeria, Ghana, Ethiopia, Sudan, Mozambique and South Africa. In Nigeria much industrial companies rice slowly from a deep valley. Because of the enormous income from the oil-export other sectors were neglected for decades. The current government tries to change this . Johnny Ekewuba, marketing manager of the Nigerian Ibeto Group. Its company, that especially manufacters car components . ' We grow 5% a year. The products of the Ibeto Group still remain cheap. A set of their brake block-systems costs 300 naira or less than two euro, what ten times are cheaper than in the Netherlands. The beto Group even already started to exports components to the foreign countries. In neighbouring countries Cameroon and Niger Nigerian car absorbers, oil filters and brake block-systems from Nigeria are evrywhere . ' Also we export to India and Great-Britain.'
African economies grew the previous time more strongly than economies in Europe. Except with the industry also companies in the agrarian, financial sector and communication . The coming years the economies are expected further to increase.
Of lot of influential improvements have taken place the previous years in Africa, like the extension of mobile network . In a large number African countries the network were build by the Sudanese businessman Mo Ibrahim, director of Celtel. ' Western investors claimed that it was risky to invest in Africa ' , says Ibrahim : ' I found that fear exaggerated and decided to show that they were wrong.' Good telecommunication is very important for companies. Cable phones in Africa have always had problems ' , thus Ibrahim. ' A connection was expensive, there were technical problems'. Current mobile network is, however, more reliable.' Also Internet has come thanks the mobile network for much more Africans available. Cell Celtel was a huge success., in 2006, he sold his company to an investor in Kuwait, and the the name was changed in Zain. Ibrahim got 3.5 billion dollar,and is now one of the richest Africans in the world. Ibrahim is now seeking to invest in other things ' The foodstuff industry in Africa has huge potential'
________________________ Zambia gets new mobile manufacturing plant. Zambian President, Rupiah Banda urged his countrymen to invest in local businesses, in order to boost the country’s economy, and encourage foreign investment.
[President Banda made the comments at the opening of manufacturing plant for mobile handsets. M Mobile Telecommunications, a wholly owned Zambian company, invested US$10 million in the new plant. Banda said: “This is what Zambians should be doing to attract foreign investors. Zambians should themselves lead the way by investing in their country,
The president also said that the new investment would lead the way to earning much needed foreign currency, as well as supply mobile handsets for the local Zambian market.
[FONT="Arial Black"]The plant, situated in Lusaka, will also employ about 200 local people, including engineers and technicians, and will produce a wide range of handsets from entry-level to state-of-the-art.
Yeap , good stuff happening. congrats for Ghana and Nigeria . I love manufacturing news.[/QUOTE]
that's what i love to hear.
26 african nation of nuclear tech,but a few have more of nuclear weapons,and black scientist in southafrica now are in that area and some of them along with china have help nigeria to build three nuclear plants.
now if you are talking about the modern gun some of states could make these as well along with planes,tanks,electronics,like nigeria,south africa and a few others and growing,and most or all could make their own make their own ships,but it is not talked about in the media that much except south africa's industries.
By Joy BusinessGhana The first ever “made-in-Ghana” mobile phones have been launched in Accra. The r-series set of handsets come in various shapes and forms. It ranges from the simple r5 which costs GH¢31 to the top of the range executive looking r72 at GH¢120, which comes equipped with television and radio, bluetooth, an internet browser and a 12-mega-pixel camera.
The phones are assembled by RLG Communications. Ahead of the launch, Joy Business took three of the handsets to sample some opinions, and members of the public were pleasantly surprised the phones were locally manufactured.
Some phone dealers Joy News spoke to were equally surprised. Rami at the Sony Center at Osu however believes the manufacturers would have to find a way to penetrate a market that has already established brands.
RLG officials are however confident the brand will be successful. He said the company's biggest strength is its local presence and an after-sales service to support the one-year warranty on the phones.
According to officials, the company has already entered into fruitful partnerships with some of the mobile phone companies to ensure it produces the best quality products.
Joy Business has learnt the handsets have been on sale in Dubai for some time now.
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Other important industries included sawmills, cigarette factories, breweries, sugar refining, rubber, paper, soap and detergent factories, footwear factories, pharmaceutical plants, tire factories, paint factories, and plants for radios, record players, and television sets. Nigeria had five state-owned motor-vehicle plants for Volkswagen, Peugeot, and Mercedes products. Nigeria's motor vehicle production rate increased by 10% in 2000–01.\
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Nigeria Industries Industries: crude oil, coal, tin, columbite; palm oil, peanuts, cotton, rubber, wood; hides and skins, textiles, cement and other construction materials, food products, footwear, chemicals, fertilizer, printing, ceramics, steel, small commercial ship construction and repair
South Africa Industries Industries: mining (world's largest producer of platinum, gold, chromium), automobile assembly, metalworking, machinery, textiles, iron and steel, chemicals, fertilizer, foodstuffs, commercial ship repair
Industry contributed about 30 percent of the GDP in 1999, when it employed about 15 percent of the work-force. A policy of industrialization has resulted in the establishment of a wide range of manufacturing industries, producing food products, beverages, tobacco, textiles, clothes, footwear, timber and wood products, chemicals and pharmaceuticals, and metals, including steel and steel products.
Benin textiles, food processing, construction materials, cement
Cameroon petroleum production and refining, aluminum production, food processing, light consumer goods, textiles, lumber, ship repair
CÔTE D'IVOIRE INDUSTRY Industry includes agricultural processing, mining, manufacturing, construction, and power. It comprises mostly foodstuffs, beverages, wood products, oil refining, automobile assembly, textiles, fertilizer, construction materials, mining, and electricity. It contributed an estimated 18 percent of the GDP in 1998 and employed about 12 percent of the labor force in 1994.
Ghana mining, lumbering, light manufacturing, aluminum smelting, food processing, cement, small commercial ship building
Military Industry Corporation (Sudan) The Military Industrial Corporation is the state-run defense corporation of Sudan. It is responsible for the production of a wide range of defense equipment, such as main battle tanks, ammunition and electronics.
The MIC was established by national decree in 1994 under the Ministry of Defence and consolidate the existing defense establishment and manufacturing plants.
Sudan makes first home-manufactured aircraft Sudan's president on Sunday unveiled its first home-manufactured aircraft -- a $15,000 training plane that runs on car fuel.
Sudan's president on Sunday unveiled its first home-manufactured aircraft -- a $15,000 training plane that runs on car fuel.
President Omar Hassan al-Bashir spoke at the launch of the Safat-01 aircraft, a two-seater propeller plane produced at Sudan's state Safat Aviation Complex, part of the country's Ministry of Defence, according to its website.
"Sudan has its own military industry. It makes tanks, missiles and many types of guns, all made by Sudanese hands," Bashir told hundreds of supporters outside the plant in Wadi Sayidina military area, north of the capital.
"Today, Sudan has entered a new industry -- aviation," he added.
He told the crowd in local dialect "What we are doing will enrage our enemies," adding "sanctions cannot stop development."
He added: "They conspired, they supported rebellions, and created rebellions. They pushed neighbouring countries, they imposed economic, diplomatic and political sanctions and what was the result? Everyday, thanks to God, his strength and power, we are moving forward."
The sanctions blocked most trade with the United States. But Sudan's economy was boasting double digit annual growth before the global economic slump, boosted by continuing investment from China and the Middle East.
Managers at the Safat plant told state media before the launch the Safat-01 would be the first in a range of aircraft produced in Sudan and would be used for training.
Up to 80 per cent of the parts would be made in Sudan, with the remaining work done by Chinese and Russian partners Safat director Brigadier Mirghani Idris told Sudan's state Suna news agency. The plane would use car fuel and be used for training.
Sudan to begin aircraft production in July
June 22, 2009 (KHARTOUM) – The Sudanese president Omer Hassan Al-Bashir is set to inaugurate the first locally manufactured plane in the history of the country, according to newspaper reports.
The head of the Safat manufacturing complex Brigadier General Mirghani Idriss told reporters that a five-year plan was put in place to produce the first model of the plane named ‘Safat-01’ and that 10 more will be forthcoming.
Idriss added that the planes are Sudanese manufactured up to 80% with assistance from Chinese and Russian partners. He also said that the cost of the plane ‘Safat-01’ is $15,000. The official said that in 3 years the plane manufacturing and maintenance will be “Sudanized” adding that the maintenance section of the complex will primarily focus on civilian aviation.
He hoped that the complex will be a regional center in North Africa and maintained that it is currently the largest in the Arab and African world in terms of infrastructure and training according to international standards.
The Safat aviation complex was founded in 2005 to primarily support primarily the Sudanese air force. It is part of Sudan’s military manufacturing commission.
Reuters
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Sudanese built cars -GIAD industry
GIAD industry products (from steel,copper,aluminium... processing to cars,tractors,truck assembling)
GIAD Factory
The Importation of overpriced cars into Africa will soon be a thing of the past.
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GIAD Factory- sudan
Foreign Visitors of GIAD Factory
_______________________________________________ NEW NIGERIAN MADE CAR - CHEAPEST IN THE WORLD The prototype was equipped with a self made 1.8L four cylinder engine that got 18mpg and allowed the car to achieve a top speed of 140 km/h (86 mph). Front Wheel Drive(FWD) was chosen over Rear Wheel Drive(RWD) because a transmission tunnel would be more expensive to fabricate. FWD avoided this. 90% of the car's components were made locally.
The design of the car was very utilitarian resembling a Renault 4 with its upright stance and a front end that resembles the locally assembled Peugeot 504.
To be priced at $2000 it would have been the cheapest car in the world. Clever features like a door bell used in place of a horn ensure it achieves its low price target. Mass production was planned under Izuogu motors located in Naze, Imo state. but too many hurdles mainly financial and political prevented the car from going past the prototype stage.
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Nigeria launches homemade armoured vehicle
Present at the event to inspect the vehicle were top police officers and the Minister for science amd Technology, Al-Hassan Zaku who said the ministry would send a team of engineers to the base where the truck was fabricated to further examine the product.
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someone posted this. this is a south african i think one of the forums i go to from time to time.my reply is after.
[QUOTE=jules3c;51218087]South Africa is not only an industrialized nation, but is also a technological advance nation. And in many fields it is even leading the rest of the Wolrd. A few excample would be solar panel development, the meerkat station station is one of the Wolrds most advanced, military hardware even the American military buys hardware from south Africa like the apc vehicle the best in the wolrd. The krooivalk attack helicopter better than the appache according to Pentagon. These are just a few of their technological advancenment known around the wolrd. In aqua culture they are building the technologicaly most advanced shrimp farm in south Africa right now and China is trying to copy cat it but will be managed from south Africa. In short south Africa is a technological industrial power house. Oh don't forget the electric car develop in south Africa with first Wolrd quality and has recently rejoined the space satellite race and is acquiring nanotechnologycapability..[/QUOTE]
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I KNOW. I HAVE BEEN SAYING that for years.it is one of the most advanced technological nation in the world.south africa is helping africa like china,but china seems to get most of the press because the world mostly pays attention more to china because it is more of direct threat to the west and south africa is more peaceful.
by the way when i say south africa is helping africa too it's not giving all it's tech. know how.
no nation normally does that.it takes time for other nations to learn.some are quicker than others but depends on the nation and access to that more advanced nation they are trying to learn from.
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Joule PT Panda unveiled - South Africa's electric car
Joule PT Panda unveiled; pricing guidelines
Optimal Energy unveils the new working prototype of SA’s electric car, the Joule PT Panda. Availability and pricing guidelines revealed
Optimal Energy, the company behind South Africa’s first electric car - the Joule – has recently unveiled the new working prototype of the vehicle dubbed the PT Panda. As an engineering mule, PT Panda is designed to test the motor and electrical systems.
The Joule continues to grab the attention of South Africans, and was the star attraction at the 2009 South African Automotive Week (SAAW) which was held in Port Elizabeth recently. Mass manufacturing is set to start in 2012 and the first commercially available vehicles are set to hit local outlets in late 2012 or early 2013.
The production facility location has not yet been finalized, but the company made it clear that the Joule will be built in South Africa. East London and Port Elizabeth have both been shortlisted as possible sites for a production facility, and predictions are that 10 000 direct and indirect job opportunities will be created by the production of the Joule.
The company said that while it is difficult to give pricing predictions before the first commercial vehicle is rolled out, it expects pricing in today’s terms to start at around R235,000 for the entry level vehicle, going up to R275,000 for the top end model.
The Joule is expected to be able travel a nominal range of 300 km on a full charge of its lithium-ion battery pack. The top speed has been electronically limited to 135 km/h to save energy, but the company said that the car can go much faster than that.
The Joule will primarily be aimed at the export market, but Optimal Energy is still expecting good local take up.
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Kenyan takes on Silicon Valley
Ms Ory Okolloh addresses delegates during the Pan-Africa Media Conference at the KICC in Nairobi last week. Photo/FREDRICK ONYANGO
I am a tree hugger at heart, is the response one gets on asking Ory Okolloh about Ushahidi.com’s commercial prospects. She does see commercial potential for the new media sensation that has probably given her more coverage in the mainstream global media in recent months than the combined space given to President Kibaki, Prime Minister Raila Odinga, Nobel Laureate Wangari Maathai, Safaricom boss Michael Joseph and Inter Milan footballer McDonald Mariga.
Yet, if the global buzz Ushahidi is generating is any guide, we could be looking at a Kenyan Google, Microsoft or Facebook in terms of business potential. Ushahidi is a non-profit venture kept afloat by grants from various foundations, but Ms Okolloh is confident that in a few years, it will be able to sustain itself.
It was built without venture capital, and even the technology developed to run it was deliberately kept open source, ruling out patents and proprietorship. And though she does have two young mouths to feed, she is reluctant to even talk about the prospect of super profits.
Big business is starting to express interest in Ushahidi, but she remains cautious of commercial tie-ups that may cramp her style. That’s the tree hugger in her. Her business card bears no title. It identifies her workplace as Ushahidi — crowdsourcing and crisis information. Against her name is just an e-mail address.
Across the world, however, she is earning recognition as co-founder and principal force behind Ushahidi, an online blogger-generated mapping tool that came into its own with the Haiti and Chile earthquakes and US blizzards. “Africa’s Gift to Silicon Valley: How to Track a Crisis” was the title of a major feature on Ms Okolloh and Ushahidi in a New York Times article published less than a week before the Pan African Media Conference opened in Nairobi. “Ushahidi technology saves lives in Haiti and Chile”, trumpeted the Newsweek interactive site on March 3.
The publicity Ushahidi has generated has also served to put Kenya on the global digital map. And, ironically, if the site is Kenya’s gift to Silicon Valley and the world, it is also a gift from Kenya’s murderous round of post-election violence. Ms Okolloh, who is based in South Africa, had come home to vote and report on the polls when the violence broke out.
Desperate for information and seeking ways to help, she sent out a plaintive cry on her blog: “Any techies out there willing to do a mash up of where the violence and destruction is using Google Maps?” The response was instantaneous. Within days, volunteer programmers had written a software code that allowed anyone to send in information via SMS, blog posts, video, phone calls and photographs.
The information and its exact source was uploaded onto a map, providing a picture of serious hotspots based on the density of data coming from each location. The Kenyan poll violence was a test-run, and come the Haiti quake, Ushahidi became a global sensation. It was the first time such simple technology had been used on this scale and Ushahidi became the default data base for the Red Cross, US army and international relief effort.
Then came Chile, the blizzards that paralysed much of the US, violence in Palestine and India, trouble in Afghanistan … the list keeps growing. “Think about that”, asked The New York Times on the blizzards. “The capital of the sole superpower is deluged with snow, and to whom does its local newspaper turn to help dig it out? Kenya.”
When I first met Ms Okolloh at the annual Highway Africa conference in South Africa a few years ago, she was part of the crowd of young bloggers with a social conscience trying to get a foot in the door. How does it feel now that she sits at the high table? “It feels good,” she says with a laugh, “It’s been a long journey.”
The lesson she learned is that if you stick around long enough and never tire, people will start to pay attention. Ushahidi’s success is great vindication of her faith that technology would explode in Africa as, in the early days, many sneered at bloggers who imagined creating something worthwhile and sustainable.
Internet penetration in Africa was nothing to write home about. Now, thanks partly to the mobile phone revolution, old wisdom has been turned upside down. Market researchers are noting the demographic shift, and it is obvious that anyone wanting to reach the under-25s, half the population, must look to new media.
Moderating a roundtable discussion on new media at the Pan African Media Conference, Ms Okolloh wondered why talk of the concept in Africa too often focuses on the social and economic benefits — paying bills or sending money through M-Pesa; farmers accessing information on weather and fertilisers through SMS.
She thinks the so-called “development” benefit of new media is a by-product; the primary function being fun and ease of communication. But hasn’t Ushahidi itself been a major catalyst for good? Yes, she concurs, but that was dependant on the “fun” technology being available in the first place.
She points to the mobile phone revolution on the continent. If mobile phones were sold as “development” rather than affordable and convenient means of communication, she ventures, they might not have taken off so fast. She also refers to the push towards digital villages in Africa.
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NIGERIA SPACE PROGRAM(NASRDA)
quote- The challenge for NASRDA now, said Martin Sweeting of Surrey Satellite Technology, which built NigeriaSat-1, is reaching the point of self-sufficiency so Nigerian engineers can build, launch and operate satellites from within the country's borders.
Telemedicine is now possible, Boroffice said, thanks to Nigeria's new bird in the sky. "Most of our doctors don't want to go to rural areas," he said. "So we have created primary health-care centers, and we link them to two teaching hospitals. And these two hospitals, with videoconferencing, can provide high-quality medicine to these remote (areas)."
Boroffice also pines for the day when a Nigerian spaceport is inaugurated, enabling local launch of NASRDA spacecraft. (Previous craft have launched from Russia and China.) Nigeria's proximity to the equator means it has a natural aerospace resource many nations might want to buy into.
"(Nigeria has) a location that's ideal for launching satellites into geostationary and polar orbits," Sweeting said. "This is something that they could clearly exploit at any time." _______________________---
Nigeria has a significant space program. In fact, it is the lowest country on the UN Human Development Index WITH a space agency. One interesting thing about this, testifying to one of globalizations effects, is that the program exists despite little university programming in space science. The University of Lagos, for example, does not confer degrees in astrophysics and astronautics.
Nigeria has the most advanced space program in Africa. While its agency, NASRDA, may not have grown organically in a nation technologically and socially ready for a space program, its government percieves space science and technology as beneficial on a larger scale to Nigerian society. In general, Nigeria sees itself as a 'the other' leader of Africa (becides South Africa), and instituted a governmental ministry devoted to hi-tech affairs in 1980: The Federal Ministry of Science and Technology. It is through this body's 'National Council on Space Science Technology' that the NASRDA works, having been founded in 1998.
However, it is important to realize that unless Nigeria seeks to develop on all levels simultaneously, after successfully resolving the immediate problems, the country will still find itself technologically behind and underdeveloped." While somewhat cryptic in its implication that 'all things should develop simultaneously,' a situation unlikely for any country, it offers hope that some of the problems of the 3rd World can be alleviated by way of investment in a space development program.
____________________ Nigerian space program advances
(Friday, 18 September 2009) Written by Jason Arnold
Nigeria’s space programme has made further progress this month, as the NigeriaSat-2 and NX Earth observation satellites passed environmental tests. This is an exciting time for the 25 Nigerian engineers who have spent varying periods of time at SSTL and the University of Surrey over the past 2 years, working and studying to achieve the skills that will underpin Nigeria’s ongoing space programme. Both NigeriaSat-2 and NX are now nearing completion with the Flight Readiness Review (FRR) this month.
On September 22nd the training and development programme will reach completion and a new generation of highly skilled engineers will return to Nigeria to resume their work at the National Space Research & Development Agency (NASRDA) whilst they wait with anticipation for the launch of the two new satellites. [Source: Space Blog]
NASRDA Celebrates 10 years in Space! On July 30, 2009 NASRDA marked its 10 years of existence as a National Space Research & Development Agency, with mandate for the implementation of the Nigeria National Space Policies and Programmes. The milestone event was attended by several eminent Nigerians, representatives of the Secretary to the Government of the Federation, Members of the National Assembly, Permanent Secretaries from various Ministries, Director Generals & Chief Executives of parastatals, Political Leaders, Space Scholars, Space Technology Consultants,National Security Personnel, Engineers and Scientists representing various public and private sectors, and many special invited guests and stakeholders. Click here or on the picture above to see the event.
___________________ History
NASRDA was established in 1998 by the Nigerian government with a primary objective of establishing a "fundamental policy for the development of space science and technology" with an initial budget of $93 million.
The initial scope of the Nigerian Space Programme (NSP) to be implemented by the National Space Research and Development Agency (NASRDA) should include:
Basic Space Science and Technology to provide the understanding of how the universe works and what its impact is on the world. This will enable us to lay the foundation for deriving maximum benefits from the nation’s participation in the space enterprise. nation The study of basic space science in order to lay the foundation for deriving maximum benefits from the nation’s participation in the space enterprise; For the attainment of space capabilities, Nigeria’s efforts should focus on research and rigorous education, engineering development, design and manufacture, particularly in the areas of instrumentation, rocketry and small satellites as well as in satellite data acquisition, processing, analysis and management of related software; The establishment of a national earth observation station for remote sensing and satellite meteorology data acquisition. Such an infrastructure will enhance the indigenous ability to adopt, modify and create new techniques for national resources inventories, monitoring, evaluation and management; The provision of efficient, reliable and adequate telecommunications services in Nigeria in order to enhance the growth of the industrial, commercial and administrative sectors of the economy. The focus areas of the National Space Programme (NSP) include:
Remote Sensing to help Nigerians understand and manage our environment and natural resources using space-acquired information. This technology will enable us to better understand our land, air and water resources and their associated problems.
Satellite Meteorology to study atmospheric and weather sciences using satellite data to facilitate the effective management of our environment.
Satellite Meteorology to study atmospheric and weather sciences using satellite data to facilitate the effective management of our environment.
Communication and Information Technology to provide efficient and reliable telecommunications services for Nigeria in order to enhance the growth of the industrial, commercial and administrative sectors of the economy. efficient
Defence and Security. The Federal Government shall develop a necessary Space Science Technology (SST) programme that will address the national needs of Nigeria. For this purpose the government shall establish a Defence Space Command in the Ministry of Defence. The Command shall comprise representatives of the defence, intelligence, security and law enforcement services and report through the Ministry of Defence to the National Space Council. enforcement
Defence and Security. The Federal Government shall develop a necessary Space Science Technology (SST) programme that will address the national needs of Nigeria. For this purpose the government shall establish a Defence Space Command in the Ministry of Defence. The Command shall comprise representatives of the defence, intelligence, security and law enforcement services and report through the Ministry of Defence to the National Space Council. enforcement Satellite launch vehicle vehicle
Robert Borrofice, Director General of the NASRDA has disclosed at a public lecture on space technology development that Nigeria will take advantage of its advantageous geographic location to launch into near-equatorial orbit an indigenous satellite from the country without foreign assistance by 2018. [3]
Manned space program
Robert Borrofice also revealed the project to send the first Nigerian astronaut into space by the year 2015.[3]
COMMAND CENTER: National Defence Ministry, Abuja. RESEARCH CENTER: University of Nigeria Center for Atmospheric Sciences and Astronomy (CASA) (Atmosphere, Geomagnetism, Stellar Physics, Radio Astronomy and Cosmology) RESEARCH CENTER: African Regional Center for Space Science is located at Obafemi Awolowo University
RESEARCH CENTER: Center for Space Science and Technology Education (CESSTE) for training professors in:
(Remote sensing, satellite communication and gps, meteorological satellite applications)
_________________________ Nigeria Space Programs
The vision of Nigeria and Africa is to attain competence and capabilities in relevant areas of space science and technology that would impact on sustainable socio-economic development and improve the quality of life of Nigerians and Africans, and to make Africa pro-active and also compete in space exploration.
For the attainment of space capabilities, Nigeria’s space efforts focus on research and rigorous education, engineering development, design and manufacture, particularly in the areas of instrumentation, rocketry and small satellites as well as in satellite data acquisition, processing, analysis and management of related software. The establishment of a national earth observation station for remote sensing and satellite meteorology data acquisition enhanced the indigenous ability to adopt, modify and create new techniques for national resources inventories, monitoring, evaluation and management.
Nigerian Space Agency – the National Space Research and Development Agency [NASRDA] was established with a mission to pursue the development and application of space science and technology for the socio-economic benefits of the nation and the Nigerian space programme constitutes an important component of the national strategy for socio-economic development through space application and participation in the global industry.
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By Katrina Manson — GlobalPost Published: October 30, 2009 06:25 ET
LONDON, U.K. — Recently I received an email labeled "Strictly Confidential" from Dr. Bakare Tunde, who said he was astronautics project manager at Nigeria’s space agency. He also told me he was the cousin of the first African in space, Air Force Major Abacha Tunde, and that this poor intrepid astronaut had been stranded on a secret Soviet military station ever since the Soviet Union dissolved in 1990. .
“He is in good humor,” read the email, “but wants to come home.” No wonder he was keen to hurtle back earthwards, Tunde told me his cousin had accumulated almost $15 million in pay. For the price of my bank account details, I could claim 20 percent and fly the brave chap home to collect my portion of the earnings and transfer the rest on to him like the good space-supporter that I was. hurtle
This classic 419 scam is indeed far-fetched but one aspect of it is true. far.
Nigeria really does have a space agency. The west African nation’s National Space Research and Development Agency is already celebrating its 10th anniversary. And as America and Europe’s space agencies set their sights on joint exploration of Mars, Nigeria has big plans of its own: It wants to send a Nigerian up into space in 2015, making Nigeria home to the first black African astronaut. making
Sitting across from Gerald Okeke, it’s hard to fathom that the quietly spoken fellow might one day fly beyond the earth’s atmosphere. Okeke, 28, is one of 27 Nigerian engineers being trained how to design and build an earth observation satellite in the U.K., at private British company Surrey Satellites Technology in Guildford, southeast of London. We are sitting in the canteen of the spacecraft-mad company, from whose ceilings dangle silver starburst lights and whose rubbish bins are shaped like shiny rockets.
“There is much to learn but we are coping,” says Okeke, whose father was also a scientist. “It’s a big challenge. Talking about space in Africa is kind of a new field but it’s a very big opportunity for us to explore.” explore
He says it would be an honor to be picked as Africa’s first black space sailor — who must be aged 27 to 37 at the time of lift-off and whose selection will begin next year ahead of four years of training. Okeke has already spent several years studying in the U.K., which he says is challenging. “The weather can be trouble and we try to cope with the food even though it’s not what we eat in Nigeria,” said Okeke.
Nigeria intends to vigorously pursue the attainment of space capabilities as an essential tool for its socio-economic development and the enhancement of the quality of life of its people. The Nation shall achieve this through research, rigorous education, engineering development, design and manufacture of appropriate hardware and software in space technology, including transport and payloads, such as satellite, telescopes and antennas for scientific research and applications. The Government shall also foster Bi-lateral and international cooperation in all aspects of Space Science and Technology to ensure that Nigerian Scientists and Engineers benefit from global developments in the space enterprise.
African guy, you are seriously embarassing yourself. Since when did Kia become homegrown African automotive engineering? Nigerian satellite is chinese technology. Face the hard fact, you do not have any homegrown engineering that you can export to the world. Your country is a consumer. That is all you do.
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
Nigerian satellite is built by nigerians,and outsiders. it's a start. nigeria has plans to buld thier own all the way by 2018.they have thier made guns as well imported.they do make stuff locally. i just osted their industries,but i guess folk love to ignore that.
Posted by Jari-Matamoros (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by kenndo: Nigerian satellite is built by nigerians,and outsiders. it's a start. nigeria has plans to buld thier own all the way by 2018.they have thier made guns as well imported.they do make stuff locally. i just osted their industries,but i guess folk love to ignore that.
Why are you trying to prove yourself, what is the point??
Fact is Nigerians are innovative and are working together to fix their problems with out the White man or arab, while "Afronut" will never dream of living away from whitey or sleeping with the White woman. He calls Africans Consumers and dependant on whites but this coming from a supposed Haitian living in a white country with a white woman, they guy is beyond pathetic. Also his woman is a whore, the Troll "Godofwhites" found images of the whore on the net,(kinda makes you wonder huh), Ill bet 20 bucks she cheats on him with a white man...LOL.
I swear you guys are so easy to manipulate and Troll sometimes..Learn how to fight fire with Fire, not Fire with with a 2 dollar water gun.
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
south african trains are homemade too,and i think the high speed but you guys could look that up.
South Africa's automotive industry
South Africa's automotive industry is a global, turbo-charged engine for the manufacture and export of vehicles and components. The sector accounts for about 10% of South Africa's manufacturing exports, making it a crucial cog in the economy.
With annual production of 535 000 vehicles in 2007, expected to rise to 630 000 in 2008, South Africa can be regarded as a minor contributor to global vehicle production, which reached 73-million units in 2007.
But, locally, the automotive sector is a giant, contributing about 7.5% to the country's gross domestic product (GDP) and employing around 36 000 people.
The government has identified the automotive industry as a key growth sector, with the aim of increasing vehicle production to 1.2-million units by 2020, while significantly increasing local content at the same time.
South Africa has been one of the best performing automobile markets in the world in recent years. New vehicle sales figures soared to record-breaking levels for three years in succession, from 2004 to 2006. In 2006, sales increased by 14.4% to just under 650 000 units, generating revenue of R118.4-billion.
Motor Industry Development Programme
The catalyst for this phenomenal growth has been the government's Motor Industry Development Programme (MIDP). Introduced in 1995, the programme is legislated until 2009 and will be gradually phased out until 2012.
The MIDP has boosted exports by enabling local vehicle manufacturers to include total export values as part of their local content total, then allowing them to import the same value of goods duty-free. This has allowed auto makers to concentrate on manufacturing certain vehicles or components for export, while importing other models.
The programme also grants a production-asset allowance to vehicle manufacturers that invest in new plants and equipment, giving them 20% of their capital expenditure back, in the form of import-duty credits, over a period of five years.
The government plans to introduce a successor to the MIDP, which will be aimed at improving the domestic value chain. The new programme, which will last until 2020, will focus on value addition while being consistent with South Africa's multilateral obligations. It is likely to take the form of a subsidy to production.
The Department of Trade and Industry says the new support programme will result in more jobs as well as the long-term sustainability of the industry. The plan will support production and investment plans that "intend to reach a minimum volume of output for each platform of 50 000 units a year within a reasonable period of time".
Competitive advantages
South Africa's automotive industry offers a number of competitive advantages to international concerns. These include a world-beating cost ability on short- or low-volume runs, competitive tooling costs, and a high degree of manufacturing flexibility. The local industry also has good access to southern hemisphere and African markets.
The South African industry boasts several unique technologies, such as differential locks for off-road vehicles, aluminium welding technology for radiators, and the ability to design components, such as air cleaners and air conditioners that can cope with the higher temperatures and dust levels in Africa.
The country's first-world production facilities are coupled with access to raw materials and relatively cheap electricity, as well as stable transport and telecommunications infrastructure.
The Automotive Industry Development Centre and the Gerotec testing centre near Pretoria are world-class facilities for research, design, testing and training.
New investment opportunities are being created for the industry by the introduction of free trade agreements with the European Union and the South African Development Community, as well as the US government's African Growth and Opportunity Act.
Auto component manufacturers
There are more than 200 automotive component manufacturers in South Africa, and upwards of another 150 that supply the industry on a non-exclusive basis. The component industry has a turnover of about R50-billion, or approximately 2% of the country's GDP, and is looking to strong growth as export potential continues to increase.
South Africa exported R30.3-billion worth of auto components in 2006, a 32% increase over 2005. Catalytic converters continued to be the country's most exported vehicle part, accounting for almost half of all component exports.
Other key exports include engines, silencers and exhausts, radiators, wheels and tyres, stitched leather car seat covers, car radios and sound systems, and axles, especially for heavy trucks.
Germany, Spain, the UK, the US, France and sub-Saharan Africa are the leading destinations for South African auto parts exports.
Spoilt for choice
There are a "staggering" 1 390 variants of cars, recreational vehicles and light commercial vehicles on South Africa's showroom floors, according to a report by business website Fin24.com.
The choice available has more than doubled over the past 10 years. In 1997, soon after the re-entry of Alfa Romeo, Renault and Chevrolet into South Africa - and when locals first got a taste of Mahindra, SsangYong, Dacia, Kia, Hyundai, Daewoo, Saab and Subaru - there were 37 manufacturers offering 595 different models.
Since then, Bentley, Cadillac, Citroën, Dodge, Maybach, Mini, Proton, TVR, GWM, Lexus and Tata have established dealerships in South Africa, either independently or by joining forces with established distributors and related group companies.
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South Africa Eyes Made-in-Nigeria Car By Ike Abonyi, 03.05.2005
Sooner or later, the much-celebrated Made-in-Nigeria car, Z-600, may zoom off the country’s shores... to South Africa. THISDAY has learnt that the South African government and industrialists have developed interest in the technology breakthrough which a Nigerian, Dr Ezekiel Izuogu, designed.
advertisement Aside South Africa, Senegal, Nigeria’s West African neighbour, is also said to be interested in the innovation after listening to the presentation of the designer in Pretoria, South Africa, on February 22, this year.
Dr. Izuogu, an engineer and gubernatorial candidate of the All Progressive Grand Alliance (APGA) in 2003 election, was in South Africa as guest speaker at a two-day exhibition in celebration of the International Mother Tongue Day, organised by the Pan South African Language Board (Pan SALB) and the UNESCO.
When contacted by THISDAY, Izuogu confirmed that South Africa has shown interest in the development of everything about the Z-600 including production and commercialisation, if only he would bring it down to Pretoria.
According to Izuogu, the South African Vice President, Mr Zuma, who represented the President, Mr Thambo Mbeki, at the exhibition was impressed and had useful discussion him urging him (Izuogu) to relocate to South Africa for support and development.
Also interested in the technology is Senegal whose Ambassador to South Africa Dr Samba-Mburi Mboup asked Izuogu to come to his country for discussion on how to develop the Z-600.
In inviting Izuogu to meet with Mbeki, the South African VP said that his country was totally committed to the emergence of an African indigenous technology and mother tongue and would do everything to encourage any African in that wise. Zuma said that South Africa is interested in the mass production of the Z-600 if only Izuogu could allow it to partake in the project.
Izuogu, however, told THISDAY in Lagos that he would want Nigeria, his country, to take control of the project, rather than any other country.
He expressed joy with the enthusiasm shown by South Africa and other countries in the Z-600 project and regretted Nigeria's apparent indifference to the mass production and development of the car.
In his paper at the exhibition entitled "Language and Technology as a Tool for Development," Izuogu called on African leaders and the African Union (AU) in particular to see to it that "we have a standard international African indigenous language that will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the English or the French."
He commended the Pan-South African Language Board (Pan-SALB) and UNESCO for organising the exhibition and urged African leaders to show genuine commitment to Africa's cultural, psychological and economic emancipation.
According to Izuogu, "Technology determines whether a people will be rich or poor, strong, weak or influential at the UN or onlookers, borrowers or lenders."
He noted that the moment a people can describe a technological feat and process using the mother tongue, technology becomes part and parcel of their culture.
Izuogu made his mark in the 90s when he designed and launched Africa's first motor car as Chairman of Izuogu Motors Limited.
According to him, the Federal Government support was only by way of the fact that the late General Sani Abacha delegated his deputy, General Oladipo Diya, to come and unveil the car in 1997. They also showed a great excitement. The then Minister for Science and Technology, Major-General Sam Momah (rtd), also demonstrated a lot of interest.
The government then set up a committee headed by one Engineer Nnadi of the Federal Science Equipment Manufacturing Centre, Enugu. Members were drawn from all Federal Government research centres in the country. They came to Owerri and spent three days to assess the work done on the car. They sent their report to the minister who then wrote to congratulate him on the report of the committee which commended our efforts.
Izuogu believes that the Federal Government was genuinely interested in the project, but for their rhetorics and politicking.
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South Africa historically has never appeared high on the list of the world's auto manufacturers. Since the end of apartheid in 1994, however, the industry has undergone a significant transformation -- from an inward, highly protected industry to an export-oriented one with average compounded annual growth of 39 percent in the last seven years despite the global economic downturn.
This impressive growth has come from a base of almost nothing, since sanctions during the apartheid era prevented any exports. Considering that past, the auto industry represents one of South Africa's greatest post-apartheid economic successes.
With a large percentage of this production being exported to the United States -- 15 percent of new cars and 10.5 percent of car parts -- the sector also shows how preferential trade agreements like the African Growth and Opportunity Act, which President Bush is expected to highlight during his trip to the continent this week, can help promote investment and growth.
Although South Africa's auto industry is still small in global terms, ranking only 18th in size, its transformation and expansion is a model for the kind of economic success story the United States would like to promote in Africa. The automotive industry is South Africa's largest export sector under AGOA, and is one of the few industries to capitalize on the program. In 2001, the first year of the program, the industry's exports to the United States rose by 387 percent, to $359 million. Last year, they grew again, to $572.9 million.
''The growth in the industry in general has been quite phenomenal,'' said Nico Vermeulen, director of the National Association of Automobile Manufacturers of South Africa. ''AGOA has played a role by adding impetus to automobile exporters in South Africa to enter what is the largest automotive consumer market in the world, as far as vehicles are concerned.''
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jari-Matamoros:
quote:Originally posted by kenndo: Nigerian satellite is built by nigerians,and outsiders. it's a start. nigeria has plans to buld thier own all the way by 2018.they have thier made guns as well imported.they do make stuff locally. i just osted their industries,but i guess folk love to ignore that.
Why are you trying to prove yourself, what is the point??
Fact is Nigerians are innovative and are working together to fix their problems with out the White man or arab, while "Afronut" will never dream of living away from whitey or sleeping with the White woman. He calls Africans Consumers and dependant on whites but this coming from a supposed Haitian living in a white country with a white woman, they guy is beyond pathetic. Also his woman is a whore, the Troll "Godofwhites" found images of the whore on the net,(kinda makes you wonder huh), Ill bet 20 bucks she cheats on him with a white man...LOL.
I swear you guys are so easy to manipulate and Troll sometimes..Learn how to fight fire with Fire, not Fire with with a 2 dollar water gun.
look,normally i would not even come here to post anything,but sometimes i get sick of this sh---.
this info is not really for them but for those that really do not know.normally i would tell these racist to look up the info themselves like any thinking normal person who wants to know what is going on.
anyway let me stop.
Posted by Wally (Member # 2936) on :
High-speed train gives South Africa a lift
quote:June 09, 2010|By Robyn Dixon, Los Angeles Times
Reporting from Johannesburg, South Africa — South Africa's fast train was so new when it carried its first passengers Tuesday that it wasn't quite finished. Builders had left string tacked to a wall in the underground station in upscale Sandton, and their notes were still scrawled on walls. There were patches of rough unfinished concrete, paint drips and the earthy cement smell of a building site.
But it didn't matter. For South Africans, the Gautrain (pronounced how-train), traveling at 100 mph and linking the area's airport with Sandton, is a powerful symbol of modern Africa, and their country's advancement and preparedness for the World Cup beginning late this week.
This modern technology is being used to ease the congestion and pollutions of automobiles in modern African urban areas, not only in South Africa, but will almost surely expand to the rest of Africa, again, to relieve conditions such as this traffic scene from
Urban Ghana... Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
kenya,nigera and morocco are looking to build high speed trains too like south africa. kenya is really taking off building roads,and so is ghana. nigeria is doing better at it too.
i wrote so fast that i forget to edited my info sometimes because i do not hang around the computer all day and i have other work to do has well,and when i go back it's too late.
okay,that's it for me here. i just had to reply to last one.
Kenndo Very nice post for some all they can do is hate,damned if Africans do damned if they don't they can get no love from the likes of Gigantic Confirmed asshole, the fact that the U.S is now looking to order high speed trains from Japan is lost on him,NYC subway trains are "Japanese" Ass-hole.. construction companies from around the world built the modern gulf cities like Dubai the Chinese imports a lot of it's heavy industries from overseas,but it is the image of the starving begging extended bellies of children you like to see and promote or lipped plate wearing Ethiopians you need to convince yourself of African "primitiveness" and "inferiority" anyway as Kenndo correctly points it's called TRADE!!!. Cities like Ghana's capitol above make the likes of you cringe to make you cringe further here http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pav&action=display&thread=141 and Anciently Africans have been doing this also http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pav&action=display&thread=126 Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Very informative Kenndo. A lot of this is new to me.
Looks like Africa is on the right track. Hope my kids will see Africa test their first nuclear weapon.
I heard Nigeria had a program back in the 70's
I will say another 50yrs?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
FB did shut his mouth quickly.
Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
ok, perhaps i was a tad bit wrong. Maybe Africa is beginning to make appreciable strides in the technology sector. It takes a lot for me to admit something, so I am admitting -- I was wrong.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
That's right man-up brotha.
Hey it is new to me too. I am surprised by the advancement. Blame the media . . . or myself. "I" should know better.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
Africa's Industrial manufacturing base is primative because;
1) Many universities concentrate on social and civil programs versus engineering.
2) The few engineering related programs are focused on technical support of FOREIGN corporations where Africans provide cheap labor competing with countries such as Vietnam, China, India, ect.
3) Africa Leadership is either brought and paid for, or are ego maniacs who would rather build themselves a palace then uplift it's people.
4) Africa is still enveloped in individualistic tribal mentalities which greatly limits a continental mind-share to consolidate resources working towards a common agenda.
5) Africa failed to expel whites from their key resource areas such as South Africa where contrary to the news releases, black South Africans are still second to whites as whites siphon off all the countries natural resources.
6) African Brain drain of the few talented engineers and scientists are recruited to apply their talents to white or Asian countries, for pay.
Posted by Jari-Matamoros (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by Gigantic: ok, perhaps i was a tad bit wrong. Maybe Africa is beginning to make appreciable strides in the technology sector. It takes a lot for me to admit something, so I am admitting -- I was wrong.
The biggest threat to Human Progression is Islam. Do the research buddy. If you have a problem with humanity not progressing look up the fact that the West is under attack by growing Islamic populations. Use your knowledge for good not to attack people who are no threat to you.
Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
^I agree with you. I did some soul searching last nite. What I was doing on the board was not kewl. I was wrong and exaggerated a lot of my claims.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Are on prozac now? He! He! He!
Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
^I guess I deserved that huh (LOL) But seriously, while I may have exaggerated some of my claims, it does not mean I don't think Afrocentrists slant and skew certain historical facts. I still believe that Afrocentrists, in general, use dark skin as a vehicle to lay claim to history.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
What's up with you brother. What you are saying is you agree with SOME of the assertion of Afro-centrism. Sure you have a beef with some of the politics.
But any logical, well-read person will have to agree that AEians ARE indigenous. And very dark and black like most Africans. And they ARE Africans. So what is your problem. What do you prefer. BLACK CAUCASIANS. You know that is not even a valid scientific term. It is garbage science left over from the 1800's.
Do they fit the hollywood stereo typical West Africans. Many don't. Some do. But ALL are black indigenous Africans.
There facts are irrefuteable and overwhelming.
Leave the dark side. Pun intended?
Imagine, per this thread, in 100yrs from now all the dislike you have for your black father will no lomger be warranted.
He! He! He!
It is all about perspective.
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: Africa's Industrial manufacturing base is primative because;
1) Many universities concentrate on social and civil programs versus engineering.
2) The few engineering related programs are focused on technical support of FOREIGN corporations where Africans provide cheap labor competing with countries such as Vietnam, China, India, ect.
3) Africa Leadership is either brought and paid for, or are ego maniacs who would rather build themselves a palace then uplift it's people.
4) Africa is still enveloped in individualistic tribal mentalities which greatly limits a continental mind-share to consolidate resources working towards a common agenda.
5) Africa failed to expel whites from their key resource areas such as South Africa where contrary to the news releases, black South Africans are still second to whites as whites siphon off all the countries natural resources.
6) African Brain drain of the few talented engineers and scientists are recruited to apply their talents to white or Asian countries, for pay.
some of your info is wrong and needs to be updated. while there still major problems there is major progress,it depends on what you what to focus on. most folks in africa do what they have to do.they are moving despite problems
let's take your points.
your first point 1- point taken but things are still being build. it will happen faster overall if more focus on the latter,but angola is building fast and some other countries.
2-you have a point ,to a point but depending on the country.some countries are better off,but porogress has to be made more in these areas.
all in time.
3-young african are taking less bull from thier leaders and there is a younger group of leaders out there.anyway some of it is true and some not really.
4- that is still a problem,so point taken.maybe stuff events like the world come and the african cup could help over come some of those problems.
5-south africa is on the right path,if did what you said for then do do,south africa would have not made the over progress it has made. anyway over 1 million whites have left and the population is not growing. what south africa has done is a evolution.it really had no choice if they want in to be stable.everything thing is not a quick fix,but the africanization overall has happen more clearly now in south africa,and the wealth has well. there is a plan to deal with that in the end and it's happening.
see blacks with out borders below.that's the mindset i like .
south africa can't have a quick fix.blacks are going into key areas,so it is not a rush. think of what is going on in south africa has a spider web.in time things will go more their way when it comes to more control of the wealth in time.
the best show dealing with this is blacks with out borders. it's a bit of date when they mention poverty,but still a good show. the link is below.
6-that's not has true has much anymore. some africans are heading back.while there are some that are leaving there are some coming back.
see i am the kind of person that is not only stuck on the problems i always try to find a opening and look for the progress,and try to keep up with update info on modern africa.the problems are told many times about africa in the western media,some of it it outdate,and some of it is a new set of problems like any place on the earth.
Downturn hastens Nigeria’s ‘brain gain’ By Matthew Green in Lagos
Published: August 20 2009 17:13 | Last updated: August 20 2009 17:13
Bread-and-butter pudding does not usually feature on menus in Lagos: pounded yam, point-and-kill (catfish chosen alive by diners) and peppered snails are more common fare.
Yet for Olumide Bolumole the stodgy English dessert is one of the things he misses about the UK since quitting his job at a hedge fund to carve a new niche in the city of his childhood.
Like many of the growing number of Nigerian financial professionals who once dreamt of a future abroad and have confronted a global meltdown instead, Mr Bolumole believes the opportunities in Lagos now eclipse anything on offer in the west. Spurred on by job losses in the City of London and on Wall Street, this stream of returnees is just one strand in a complex shift in global migration patterns shaped by the financial crisis.
In Africa, the returns are a cause for hope. After decades in which a “brain drain” robbed the continent of many of its most talented workers, decisions by thousands of highly educated professionals to come home reflect a more optimistic vision of the future.
“It’s very addictive – the notion people are walking around in Lagos thinking ‘we can do anything’,” says Mr Bolumole, 31, whose accent reflects his 13 years in the UK. “Sometimes it’s laughable, particularly when you look at things through British eyes. But when you see some of these laughable stories come true, you start to question yourself.”
Skilled Nigerians and peers from countries including Kenya, Ghana and Angola began returning in significant numbers some years before the meltdown in global markets, according to recruitment agencies that specialise in working with the African diaspora.
Faster growth driven by the commodities boom, along with successful economic reforms adopted by some governments, began to make career options, salaries and lifestyles available at home look more attractive.
But the recession in the west has created an additional push factor and Nigerians, who play a more prominent role in the financial services industry in London and New York than many other African communities, have been particularly exposed to the risk of redundancy. The sheer size of their diaspora – estimated by host governments to number up to 3m in the UK and 1m in the US – means there is a bigger pool of potential “repats” as the returnees are known in Lagos.
Many aim for leadership roles in Nigeria’s banking sector, where institutions are seeking skilled managers to handle bulging portfolios following a period of rapid growth.
Mr Bolumole, who used to work at De Putron Fund Management in London, feels his new role at BGL, an investment bank, has plugged him into the entrepreneurial buzz of Lagos. “You can just be so audacious in your plans. The truth is that’s just something very un-British,” he says.
Although some Nigerians speak of a “brain gain”, the number of returns constitutes only a trickle compared with the 30,000 African professionals who leave the continent each year, according to estimates by the International Organisation for Migration.
David Okoror, director-general of the African Diaspora Initiative, which works with the Nigerian government to encourage returns, estimates that 7,500 Nigerians have come back to work in the financial, telecoms and information technology industries in the past seven years. Some put the figure much higher: Ade Odutola, founder of WazobiaJobs.com, a recruitment portal for west Africa, guesses that 10,000 skilled Nigerians have returned in the past year.
The trend is mirrored elsewhere in Africa. Sarah Wanjama of Elite International Careers, a London-based recruitment agency, says she would have been lucky to find 100 high-calibre Angolans looking to come back five years ago. Today, the company has more than 1,000. (There is little evidence, however, of a mass return of African doctors, whose flight has severely undermined healthcare systems.)
The moves reflect a wider trend of increasing mobility in migrant communities worldwide. In common with Mexicans heading to the US, and north Africans relocating to Europe, returning Africans are keeping doors open in their home countries and the west.
Many more Nigerian professionals might like the idea of returning, but factors ranging from the country’s chronic lack of electricity to a fear of crime in the congested streets of Lagos and the parlous state of many public institutions have prevented them.
“People are keen to come back to Nigeria. Everybody loves their country,” says Mr Okoror. “But the government needs to do much more to make Nigeria into a place where professionals want to work.”
______________________________________________ see i am more about solutions . everyone here should watch the video below. that's all from me,and thanks for the positive feed back.
Thanks for the response Kendo. I do realize that you consistently look at the positive attributes in an overly optimistic manner. Me? I'm impatient, perhaps because I see time/Progress in a different light, fully aware of the trade-offs of being very late to the party. One major disadvantage being; When you finally arrive, you find that the music and party tools/objectives have changed (evolved) and once again, you need to re-educate and train your people, and remain, behind the curve.
Example; The computer industry based on silicon integrated circuits and terribly inefficient Java/PhP(primitive languages) programming is at an end. Introduction to nano-molecular computers, entangled high energy particle communications, and Multi-core Expression languages are on the way.
Also, 100 mph is NOT considered as "HIGH SPEED" when those in US, Europe and Asia have been running over the last 15-20 years at an average of greater than 200-400 mph.
Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: What's up with you brother. What you are saying is you agree with SOME of the assertion of Afro-centrism. Sure you have a beef with some of the politics.
I think much of Afrocentrism is reactionary to a lack of historical Black contribution to the western world .
quote: But any logical, well-read person will have to agree that AEians ARE indigenous.
I have NEVER denied AE was an Africa/home grown civilization. I have a problem with Afrocentrists making AE to be a solely Negroid civilization when evidence suggests otherwise. It would be akin to a person 400 years from now claiming that the US was built by native americans.
quote: And very dark and black like most Africans.
I donot agree with this. The artwork shows the AEians to be lighter in complexion than what you would find south of the country.
quote: And they ARE Africans.
I agree.
quote: So what is your problem.
My problem is Afrocentrists who approach the history from a racialist point of view.
quote: What do you prefer. BLACK CAUCASIANS.
I would prefer "Egyptians," nothing more, nothing less, and recognition given to Egyptians today as the direct descendants.
quote: You know that is not even a valid scientific term. It is garbage science left over from the 1800's.
I agree but it is a colloquialism.
quote: Do they fit the hollywood stereo typical West Africans. Many don't. Some do. But ALL are black indigenous Africans.
I think the people who resemble the ancient egyptians are the modern Egyptians. That is my position.
Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
props to S.A. for their high speed train
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
yes,back on topic-high speed train.
[QUOTE=Simfan34;58286299]Bah, its nothing special.... who am I kidding?! This is awesome! A pat on the back for South Africa!
But it is not high-speed rail, the lowest definition for HSR I've seen is 180 k/mh (in the US), while the Gautrain reaches high speeds of 160 km/h. So not high-speed, but an outstanding accomplishment nevertheless.
I wish we even needed these kind of things in Ethiopia.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lydon;58287743]It's not that it can't go faster, but that it's pointless for it to go faster as as soon as it reaches higher speeds it would need to slow down in order to make a stop at a station. Hence, 160km/h is the most efficient speed for it to travel at [/QUOTE] ____________
The Gauteng Provincial Government formed a partnership with local and international experts in business to build a modern transport network, the biggest Public-Private Partnership in Africa.[3]
The train is expected to cut the number of cars on the N1 Ben Schoeman Highway highway by 20%, with 100,000 daily passenger trips.
The Gauteng Department of Transport obtained environmental authorization and conducted an Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) for this purpose. Authorization was granted on 25 April 2004. On 7 December 2005 the South African government gave the go-ahead for the project, expected to cost more than 24 billion Rand.
In February 2006, Finance Minister Trevor Manuel announced the allocation of R7.1bn from the National Fiscus for Gautrain. On 16 February 2006 then Gauteng Premier Mbhazima Shilowa announced that the Gauteng Province had reached commercial close with the Bombela Consortium, the preferred bidder, and that negotiations to reach financial close commenced.
Construction started on 28 September 2006, and investors, developers, small businesses and entrepreneurs are starting new ventures such as office blocks, shopping malls, entertainment and residential developments along Gautrain’s network. The demand for land as well as property prices in these areas increased dramatically.
Lightstone, an independent risk assessment company, has analyzed residential transactions and repeat sales price inflation of properties within 2 km to 3 km of each station, and compared this with the overall price inflation in Gauteng, Johannesburg and Pretoria. The proportion of all transactions in Gauteng involving properties within 2 km of the station grew from 3.8% to 6.0% from 2000 to 2007, while activity in areas between 2 km and 3 km from the stations remained relatively constant between 4.0% and 5.0% over that same period.
Future projections for business transactions and access to new markets for products, goods and services will be R6 billion as a result of the Gautrain network. Sustainability is key to Gautrain’s success. City rejuvenation is another achievement.
It is estimated that Gautrain will create 93,000 direct, indirect and induced jobs during construction.[9][10] More than 3,000 jobs per year will be created during operation. On 17 March 2009, Gautrain announced it had created 63,200 direct, indirect and induced jobs.
Gautrain further achieves important objectives described in Gauteng’s Growth and Development Strategy. It includes the requirements for Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment in terms of broadening ownership and control; skills transfer and preferential procurement. Emphasis is also placed on the empowerment of women, youth and people living with disabilities.[13]
Damn I wish my city had some Damn High Speed train!!!
It suck you basically HAVE TO HAVE a Car in S.A, They need to build more Trains to unite American cities..Imagine being able to go to New York from Austin in 4 hrs, or go to Maimi from Atlanta in about the same.
Yet, Dumb Americans so in love with "Cars" my opinion is I hate them, Too expensive, Gas sucks, and Traffic is worse, If only we had better public transportation.
Africa is on a good path by this move, coming from a city that has no High Speed anything.. Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
kenndo
Gautrain looks like it will be a boon for South Africa. I hope it helps boost Black employment.
I hear that unemployment rate is as high as 25%. This really needs to change. Also the Attack on other Africans by the SA people needs to stop also. Unity is the key to making South Africa a TRUE rainbow nation with people of all ethnicites living together in Peace and Harmony. One good thing is that you hope the World Cup can bring South Africans together as One People.
Kenndo gotta give you props on the positive posts about Africa, Trust me when I say we need more of your posts.
Peace
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Dang!! watching blacks without boarders made me realized just how much of a slacker I am!! I need to step ma game up big time..very inspiring applause applause..
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: kenndo
Gautrain looks like it will be a boon for South Africa. I hope it helps boost Black employment.
I hear that unemployment rate is as high as 25%. This really needs to change. Also the Attack on other Africans by the SA people needs to stop also. Unity is the key to making South Africa a TRUE rainbow nation with people of all ethnicites living together in Peace and Harmony. One good thing is that you hope the World Cup can bring South Africans together as One People.
Kenndo gotta give you props on the positive posts about Africa, Trust me when I say we need more of your posts.
Peace
thanks-
South Africa unemployment rate 23.5 % 2009 (April)
It was little lower this this before the WORLD crisis.hopefully they will get back on the right track soon too.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
Not sure a new train with top speed less than 30 year old AMTRAK train (>150mph) can be labeled as, "High Speed". With a top speed of 150 mph (241 km/h) the Acela Express is the only service in North America that exceeds the U.S. Department of Transportation's 125 mph (201 km/h) definition of high speed rail.
Well, at least White South Africans threw blacks a few peanuts to keep them happy while they continue working with Israel on Ethnic weapons.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Why everything has to be about the wyman MelaninKing??..did you not see the Blacks with boarders videos??..so what if it's not perfect or the fastest!! I am old enough to remember when Japan could only make crappy toys.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
LOL, if you have to ask that question, then you are not worth responding in any serious manner.
It's all relative. Some neggers are happy to be enslaved to whites or Asians. Some men prefer to be totally free. We, just differ in this respect, and we have even during slavery. America used Japan same as they did Africa. Japan imitated and installed US Jewish economy, and then Jews inflated their economy and gained control on Japan to this day.
LOL, Blacks without Borders in nothing new. Been around since 1800s for some. You cats are merely slow and distracted with efforts of conformance and assimilation.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Melanin king sometimes it is possible to be a rebel without a cause or a pause or just because. everything you wrote is aboutTHEY!!U!! make they/them into demi gods who control everything,you have no vision for your own possibilities or folks who looks like you THEY!!ARE NOT ALL POWERFUL Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
LOL, without a cause! What a joke. Assimilation is key is their motto. Here in the US the black church was manipulated into championing this cause, allowing blacks to cross bred some of the defective genes out of Jews/Whites. LOL, The President is a direct result and we clearly see where this is heading.
Is education the key to black freedom? Of course it isn't. One cannot paint a masterpiece over a canvas covered in filth, black or white.
It is I who is all powerful. They are only as powerful as the weakest of US. Unfortunately, there are many weaklings among US who empower THEM as if they are GODS. Giving up your country for an 20 year old technology train.
WAKE UP FOOLS. DESIST IN SHARING YOUR GODLINESS WITH DEMONS.
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
the black leaders of south africa introduce the high speed train,it was there Decision not whites.the train could go faster but there is alot of stopping because thier are more stations created there then japan, so they will keep it at a certain speed.it's still high speed train.
blacks in south africa are regaining there country back and regain it and more will come.they are not not giving it up.it's the whites who gave it up,because they had no choice.time was not on thier side.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
I wish it were so, but it is merely an illusion. South Africans are now controlled through those who believe in integration, the Jewish/Marxist manipulated, Suburb residing, ANC. Worked recently with a black South African here in US for IBM. This black South African followed white around and licked his boots immediately when asked. I was amazed at the low level of conscientiousness this South African black possessed, and the eagerness he displayed in informing (snitching) on his own. With a nation full of weaklings such as this, there is no wonder Boers are able to rule 100s of millions with only thousands.
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Melanin king sometimes it is possible to be a rebel without a cause or a pause or just because. everything you wrote is aboutTHEY!!U!! make they/them into demi gods who control everything,you have no vision for your own possibilities or folks who looks like you THEY!!ARE NOT ALL POWERFUL
good point.
i am glad you enjoyed the video.that is the reality in south africa today.black progress and black freedom.
now my reply for Melanin king
you need to see blacks with out borders or see it again. i see a overall postive direction where south africa is going.all your basic updated info is in that video and the info i will post after this.
the leaders do not really believe in integration and most of the black folks there do not either,alot of that is lip service to just keep things from blowing up there like thier sister state up north.do be fooled by it.
the blacks are the mainstream there now,not the whites. it's the whites having problems integrating,a alot of them have left and more will do it.
i guess you do not know what a victory is.south africa is seen has a victory in the pan african movement,not a loser.is there problems,of course but everything is not going to be fix over night,but things are heading that way.alot of postive things happening already.
when some blacks went from america went to south africa and compare it when iy wa under the whites,their was a big change,and they seen it.if you can''t see it,i can't help you.
here is some update info you need. if you do not see this has good news ,then i do not know what it will take.stop seeing yourself has a victim and enjoy the victory of your brothers and sisters over seas.if things do not go well in america that does not stop the march of victory elsewhere. when rome conqured egypt,blacks in other african countries were still doing there thing.take a lesson from these early african and modern africans who are not complaining,but doing. if you do you will feel better about yourself,your folks and the future.
thank you.that's all from me. bye. _______________________
Johannesburg - One million white South Africans - almost a fifth - have left the country in the past ten years. Frans Cronjé, who compiled the report, said it was especially crime and affirmative action which had driven a fifth of South Africa's white population out of the country. He did an analysis of Statistics South Africa's Household Surveys between 1995 and 2005, emigration figures and other reliable estimates on population numbers.
Cronjé said the results left himself and his colleagues dumbfounded.
"When we drew the graphs we saw that almost a whole generation of white South Africans are not here anymore."
Young people, children leaving
The SAIRR's population pyramid of white South Africans show a definite loss of young people and children under the age of ten.
The figures for 2005 put the number of white South Africans in the country at 4.3 million, 841 000 fewer than the 5.2 million of 1995.
Cronjé predicts that the white population would continue to shrink, and, he said, the situation would have a far-reaching impact on the economy.
Economically productive
However, in the last decade the black economically productive population grew by 81%. Some of these people have slot into the high-income group, where black people make up a third of the top earners.
Whites, however, still account for half of this group, where Indians and coloureds make up 7% and 6% of the high-income group respectively.
"Black people are entering the economy.
Macfarlane said crime and affirmative action are the top reasons for the exodus of whites.
More whites going to leave
"And because the crime figures are not going to decline rapidly and affirmative action is to continue, more whites are going to leave.
"The young people reckon they are being punished for what happened in the previous dispensation. They are furious, because they feel they had no part in it," said Macfarlane.
According to the report the emigrants are between 20 and 40 years old.
"This is the group that have children and help grow the population, but now they're getting their children overseas. And they don't come back. That means the white population is going to continue to shrink."
The decline in the white population in the decade to 2005 is estimated at 16.1%.
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'Rainbow nation' alienating whites
Back in 1994, the whites of South Africa, and particularly the Afrikaners, thought they had a deal: if they gave up political power, their position would be guaranteed.
Nelson Mandela went out of his way to court the Afrikaners. He spoke excellent Afrikaans, and had several close Afrikaner friends and advisers.
Thabo Mbeki comes from a different generation, and a different background. Most of his life was spent in exile, much of it in Britain.
In the ANC, he is often seen as a remote outsider. He knows it does him no harm whatever to criticize the unreconstructed attitudes of many whites.
Little things as well as more important ones grate on the white community.
White South Africans hoped the capital would keep its old name, Pretoria.
But under the ANC it has been renamed Tshwane. Only a district of the capital retains the name "Pretoria".
Black empowerment, which is essential if the country is to prosper, means that whites are losing their jobs throughout the economy.
Whites leaving
More and more whites are leaving South Africa; some temporarily, some for good.
The South African High Commission in London thinks there may be 1.4m South Africans in Britain.
Although it is essential to bring black people into the economy in large numbers, South Africa is in danger of losing the talents of its whites, who often feel it is no longer their country.
Most young white South Africans seem fully committed to living in a society where the colour of people's skin is of no importance whatever Perhaps it is inevitable. Until less than 20 years ago, black people were still legally inferior in South Africa.
The apartheid system was just as cruel and stupid as its critics maintained, and simply handing over political power was not enough to wash away the after-effects.
Plenty of whites understand this. Recently a leading Afrikaans academic, Professor Willie Esterhuyse of Stellenbosch University declared: "The majority of Afrikaners and their opinion makers are still suffering from a historical 'black-out' as far as white racism and destructive perceptions of black people are concerned. The second and third generation after 1990 will hopefully be different."
He is right. Most young white South Africans, and particularly Afrikaans-speaking ones, seem fully committed to living in a society where the colour of people's skin is of no importance whatever.
They are proud of their country, and want to make it better. Most of those who are now living in Britain or other countries are determined to go home as soon as they can.
But this will not happen if the ANC reverses all its principles and regards South Africa as essentially a black people's country, where everyone else lives on sufferance.
____________________ Your comments:
Affirmative Action was put in place to "fix" colleges and the work place into being equal on a racial level. On the other side of that many people would cry "reverse racism". Even if racial equality is the right moral way of thinking for most progressives, it still involves the taking of power from some group to give to another. Jeremy Egelman, NY USA
South Africa must not allow the tragedy of the Rwandan genocide, where the former ruling class of ethnic Tutsis was slaughtered by the once oppressed Hutus, to be repeated in its own land. This is a time for forgiveness, open hearts, and open minds. It is also the time to stop finger pointing and try to correct the many problems South Africa faces. Daniel C. Greenwood, Philadelphia, USA
South African has changed in countless positive ways since the first real democratic elections, but sadly race still seems to affect the way people judge the opinions of others. For example, I've no doubt that some would detect a bias in Mr Simpson's succinct interpretation of the current climate for Whites in South Africa because he is White, and possibly feels a certain kinship with them. Richard Barnes-Webb, Dusseldorf, Germany
Indeed, John Simpson has exactly caught the spirit. Pity now it is too late and there is "reverse apartheid" against Whites and it won't be long before South Africa resembles its neighbour, Zimbabwe. Ken, Lagos, Nigeria
I am a white South African, who came to the UK because there isn't a future for me in South Africa. I love my home country and the people, but unfortunately the country has no place for me. People are not judged by their skills or education, but by the colour of their skins. It is nearly impossible for me to make a living there, in the country that I love. I wish to return to someday, when all the races can learn to live together, and we are all truly equal. Elmarie Saayman, Reading, UK (originally Pretoria)
If anyone gets offended that Blacks have started stamping their authority, South Africa is not the place for them Steven Mudi, Harare, Zimbabwe For so many years the South African Whites enjoyed the cake whilst the Black majority were sidelined. Now that the Blacks have started addressing the injustices suffered by the general populace by actively participating in their economy, you are now raising your eyebrows to the effect that the Whites are being marginalized. Don't you want to see Blacks prosper in their own country as well? If anyone gets offended that Blacks have started stamping their authority, South Africa is not the place for them
Steven Mudi, Harare, Zimbabwe
It's funny how it takes an outsider to articulate what us beleaguered whites are experiencing. One thing though, it seems the Pretoria issue is not yet final. Why can't they leave the history of the country alone? Next they will be pulling down the fabulous statues of Queen Victoria in Durban and Port Elizabeth. Sarah Hudleston, Johannesburg
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here is the new reality in south africa. Mail and Guardian (South Africa), by Vicki Robinson / Thursday, 08 July 2004
South Africa: Poor whites are strangers in a new land
Seventy-five years after the armblank (poor white) crisis of the 1930s, the phenomenon is resurfacing. White unemployment has nearly doubled since 1995, according to the Institute for Security Studies.
Today 430 000 whites, of a total white population of 4,5-million, are “too poor to live in traditional white areas” and 90 000 “are in a survival struggle”, says Lawrence Schlemmer, director of the Helen Suzman Foundation. Of these, 305 000 are Afrikaans-speaking and 215 000 speak English.
Since 1998 these figures have increased year-on-year by 15%. According to a survey by the South African Institute of Race Relations, white unemployment increased by 74,4%, using the expanded definition, between 1998 and 2002, compared with the national average over the same period of 39,8%. However, the growth of white unemployment is off a much lower population base than black unemployment.
A key goal of the National Party in the heyday of apartheid was to uplift poor whites by using the state and semi-state sectors to provide them with jobs and housing, reserving certain jobs for whites, favouring their trade unions and shoring up the farming sector.
But for the first time in the mid-1970s, there were more white-collar than blue-collar Afrikaners, and the policies of the NP shifted accordingly. Poor whites were increasingly abandoned by the state.
The 1994 election and the advent of majority rule has accelerated the downward precipitation of whites without capital or marketable skills. In desperation, they are clinging to what they know: religion, xenophobia and racism. Many still believe their skin colour puts them above menial labour, and prostitution has become a common way of earning a living.
“I do everything except Greek style and blacks,” says Lisa, who lives in suburban Vanderbijlpark, a microcosm of white economic distress. “I work nine till five because in the evenings I like to spend quality time with my kids.” She only takes bookings from businessmen and earns up to R15 000 a month.
Her office — a cerise room with a double bed, a crimson lounge suite, and a table carrying with a bottle of Johnson’s baby oil, government condoms and Courtleigh cigarettes — is in her backyard next to her swimming pool. Her children are aware of her business. They say they accept it because it gives them a house of their own and a higher standard of living.
Another Vanderbijlpark prostitute, Nikkie, has size 44E breasts with a red rose tattooed next to her right nipple, making her black string top look like an overstuffed couch. Her husband is unemployed, and she has two small children.
Often Nikkie goes away for weekends with groups of farmers on hunting trips to Kuruman in the Northern Cape. On these occasions she earns R4 500 in addition to her average R2 000 weekly earnings.
“I only do men over 30 because I shake the **** out of anyone younger,” she jokes. “My husband doesn’t mind — it actually excites him. Often we have a passionate session after a full night’s work. My only three rules are whites only, no anal sex and cleanliness — you can’t do a client smelling like a three-day-old snoek.”
Lisa and Nikkie both insist survival has forced them into the “game”.
Poor whites typically compensate for their low socio-economic status with aggressive racism. In an era when many black people are upwardly mobile, it serves to bolster their self-pride.
Estelle Claasens lives in a former Iscor home, now owned by the church, with six other families — each one crammed into a bedroom. Last month she walked out of her job — washing dishes at the café in Vanderbijlpark — because she refused to wear the required green overall. “I was happy to wash the floors and the toilets and the dishes but when they tried to dress me like a kaffir, that’s when I said thanks, but no thanks,” she says.
Sucking hard on her cigarette and blowing a yellow smoke-stream from the corner of her mouth, she is a bottle-blond caricature of Patricia Lewis.
“The government, they must build us those — what youmacall it?” she says twisting her plump hand in the air for inspiration. “Those RDP houses. But ours must be here and the kaffirs must be over there. We don’t have to live by each other because poor blacks will always be much lower-class than poor whites.”
White families live in the garages of many Vanderbijlpark homes — a lucrative business for the home-owners, who charge between R500 and R700 a month in rent.
White poverty first came to prominence in South Africa during the 1920s when president Jan Smuts singled it out as the greatest threat to Afrikaner survival. Initially a rural problem of subsistence farmers and bywoners (share-croppers), it developed into an urban phenomenon during the Great Depression. The official tally of poor whites increased from 10 000 in 1890 to 535 000 in 1936. They lived on the periphery of white society; many were barely literate and almost unemployable.
In 1948 DF Malan romped to power on the slogan “The white man must remain master”, and set about creating the apartheid system that would allow whites “to remain white and live white”. An economic safety net was constructed by the apartheid state through the colour bar, the distinction between “civilised” and “uncivilised” labour, protectionist policies for companies that employed whites, and minimum wage laws that insulated semi-skilled whites from competition by unskilled blacks.
The Apprenticeship Act of 1922, a mainstay of apartheid labour legislation, is ironically the downfall of many poor whites today. It stipulated a standard six pass as a minimum qualification for apprenticeship in 41 trades, including the giant iron and steel industries.
A privatised Iscor — whose Vanderbijlpark plant has shed 16 000 jobs in the past 10 years — is the source of most white poverty in the Vaal Triangle. Poor whites were Iscor “appies”, like their fathers before them, at a time when state-owned businesses provided sheltered employment for whites and their children. Today, their lack of formal education renders them redundant.
Racial transformation over the past decade, including economic redress in the form of affirmative action and black economic empowerment, has deepened their despair. “Whites have been set quite a severe test by transformation policies,” says Schlemmer. “Whenever a population is put to this kind of test it produces heightened performance among those who are confident and well-educated, while some drop out at the bottom. In other words, it increases inequality. It is plunging the minority at the bottom into deeper poverty and sharpening the wits at the top end.”
In 1994 44% of civil service posts were held by whites; by last year this had dropped to about 20%. In 1996 almost 50% of technicians and artisans were white; today the figure has fallen to about 20%.
With the sense of abandonment goes fatalistic inertia and heightened religionism. The houses of poor whites are full of Durer’s praying hands and other religious paraphernalia; all insist God has sent them poverty as a test. Rather than job-hunt, many sit in their front yards — uncovered patches of ground littered with cigarette butts, dogs and chickens — waiting for divine dispensation.
In the younger generation, rebellion typically takes the form of dabbling in Satanism.
Poor whites are detached and alienated from post-1994 politics, although some express dismay at former president FW de Klerk’s failure to drive a harder bargain for whites.
Bertus Bornman, a garage-dweller who earns R5 200 as a boiler operator at Iscor, complained that President Thabo Mbeki “should stop looking outside the country, and look inward” at its problems.
Most refuse to take “charity” from the current government. They are aware of assistance in the form of child and disability grants, but have not bothered to find out how to access them. “We’ll never beg,” said Nikkie.
Despite the professions of sturdy self-reliance, there is heavy dependency on private charity from middle-class Afrikaners, church organisations and Child Welfare. The Vanderbijlpark Christian Centre, a local church, has three homes for destitutes in Vanderbijlpark, while the NG Kerk has arranged support groups for alcoholics and the mentally ill.
Alcohol abuse and domestic violence are rife, and suicides or attempted suicides apparently common among the youth. Sarie de Preez (37) lives with her mother, who now provides for her, after her drunken husband, Bennie, nearly beat her to death with a plank in front of her five-year-old twin boys.
Felicity Curry (17) says she tried to kill herself last year by swallowing 28 pills after being raped by the leader of the Satanist cult. She lost her virginity at 13, after a lodger in her mother’s house gave her a choice: sex, or he would reveal her smoking habit to her parents. Her ankle is greyed with a slapdash tattoo that reads “Sex Cat”; the words “Bad Bitch” encircle her navel. She claims to have weaned herself from addiction to dagga and ecstasy.
There is an eeriness about Vanderbijlpark at weekends. The enduring image is of dilapidated Iscor homes, grimy children spinning tops on dusty lawns, and their dull, bleary-eyed fathers leaning on crooked gates.
“Die witmense kry swaar en die kaffirs kry lekker [Whites are suffering and kaffirs are doing great],” complains Bornman. He is a stranger in a strange, new South Africa, hopelessly alienated from its politics, washed up by change, imprisoned by a racial pride that harks back to a vanished era. He is one of apartheid’s hidden victims.
Source: Mail and Guardian (South Africa), by Vicki RobinsonMail Thursday, 08 July 2004
note- whites are now 9% of south africa 4.3 million.
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Hardship deepens for South Africa’s Poor Whites
Sitting in a deck chair at a white South African squatter camp, Ann le Roux, 60, holds a yellowing photo from her daughter’s wedding day.
Taken not long after Nelson Mandela became the country’s first black president in 1994, it shows Le Roux standing with her Afrikaans husband and their daughter outside their home in Melville, an upmarket Johannesburg neighborhood.
Sixteen years later, she lives in a caravan and a tent shared with seven other people, including her daughter and four grandchildren, at a squatter camp for poor white South Africans.
She is one of a growing number of whites living below the poverty line in South Africa who blame affirmative action and the ANC-led elected government for their plight.
Le Roux had to sell her house after her husband died and she lost her job as a secretary at the city planning council — where she had worked for 26 years — after she took time off work to recover from the loss of her husband.
“They wouldn’t take me back because of the political situation,” she says, looking down at the fading photo.
“Our color here is not the right color now in South Africa,” Le Roux says, echoing the complaint of many impoverished whites, mostly Afrikaners who are descendants of early Dutch and French settlers.
While most white South Africans still enjoy lives of privilege and relative wealth, the number of poor whites has risen steadily over the past 15 years. White unemployment nearly doubled between 1995 and 2005, according to the country’s Institute for Security Studies.
HARD TIMES
Seeking to reverse decades of racial inequality, the ruling ANC government introduced affirmative action laws that promote employment for blacks and aim to give black South Africans a bigger slice of the economy. This shift in racial hiring practices coupled with the fallout from the global financial crisis means many poor white South Africans have fallen on hard times.
At least 450,000 white South Africans, 10 percent of the total white population, live below the poverty line and 100,000 are struggling just to survive, according to civil organisations and largely white trade union Solidarity. South Africa’s population is about 50 million.
Many poor whites have ended up in places like Coronation Park, in Krugersdorp west of Johannesburg, a leafy former caravan site beside a water reservoir and a public picnic park frequented by middle-class families at weekends.
Ringed by yellow-brown hills of earth dug up by generations of gold miners, the park was used by the British as a concentration camp for Afrikaners during the Anglo-Boer war at the start of the 20th century. Now it’s home to some 400 white squatters living in cramped tents and caravans and sharing a single ablution block. Cats and dogs roam noisily through the camp, dodging heaps of rubbish, piles of scrap metal and abandoned car parts.
Water is heated and food cooked on open camp fires. The local council cut electricity to the camp after failing to evict the white squatters. The council wanted to develop the area into a wide screen viewing area for soccer matches ahead of the soccer World Cup, which South Africa hosts in June and July.
Some residents, including three black South Africans, have lived there for years. Others arrived in recent weeks.
“If you’re out of work and you haven’t got money, where must you go to? No one wants to help you — this is the only place to go to,” says Dennis Boshoff, 38.
ZUMA SHOCKED South African President Jacob Zuma visited a white squatter camp near the capital Pretoria last year ahead of his election, saying he was “shocked and surprised”.
“The vast number in black poverty does not mean we must ignore white poverty, which is becoming an embarrassment to talk about,” Zuma said at the time.
White poverty in South Africa is a politically sensitive subject that gets little attention, but it is not new.
Under apartheid, introduced in 1948, whites enjoyed vast protection and sheltered employment. The weakest and least educated whites were protected by the civil service and state-owned industries operating as job-creation schemes, guaranteeing even the poorest whites a home and livelihood.
But with that economic safety net now gone, South Africa’s unskilled whites find themselves on the wrong side of history, gaining little sympathy from those who perceive them as having profited unfairly during the brutal apartheid years.
Trade union Solidarity says there are around 430,000 whites who live in squatter camps. Around the capital Pretoria alone there are 80 squatter settlements. There are over 2,000 much larger black squatter camps across South Africa.
Formerly comfortable Afrikaners recently forced to live on the fringes of society see themselves as victims of “reverse-apartheid” that they say puts them at an even greater disadvantage than the millions of poor black South Africans.
“Blacks get more than whites at the moment. They’re being pulled forward against us. That’s why all of us are here. It’s very unfair because they told us it was going to be equal, but it’s not equal,” said Boshoff.
This feeling of victimisation and abandonment by the state has forged at the camp a collective sense of fatalism, isolation and firm reliance on their Calvinist religion. Each of the camp’s ramshackle huts and tents is adorned with religious paraphernalia and an Afrikaans language bible.
Many poor white communities also struggle with alcoholism, violence and abuse but at Coronation Park, social problems have declined. “We kicked a lot of the worst ones out and the fighting and violence has gone down,” said Hugo Van Niekerk, who has managed the camp over the past few years.
Van Niekerk, who solicits donations and helps community members find odd jobs, successfully fought an eviction order last year from the local municipality but he expects little help from the council or government on housing.
“We won’t get houses from this government. If we were black maybe yes, but we are white.”
Children walk through a squatter camp for poor white South Africans at Coronation Park in Krugersdorp, March 6, 2010. REUTERS/Finbarr O’Reilly
Children play on a tire being used to block the entrance to a squatter camp for poor white South Africans at Coronation Park in Krugersdorp, March 6, 2010. REUTERS/Finbarr O’Reilly
Friends talk through the window of a one-room hut at a squatter camp for poor white South Africans at Coronation Park in Krugersdorp, March 6, 2010. REUTERS/Finbarr O’Reilly
Lukas Gouws, 29, smokes at a squatter camp for poor white South Africans at Coronation Park in Krugersdorp, March 6, 2010. REUTERS/Finbarr O’Reilly
Lukas Gouws tells off a boy for digging up snakes at a squatter camp for poor white South Africans at Coronation Park in Krugersdorp, March 6, 2010. REUTERS/Finbarr O’Reilly
A family smokes together during a quiet moment at a squatter camp for poor white South Africans at Coronation Park in Krugersdorp, March 13, 2010. REUTERS/Finbarr O’Reilly
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Posted by vortex_bits I guess, considering Rwanda, that it could be worse. It’s hard not to sound insensitive, but it may be true that they are reaping what they sowed. They failed to treat the black equally through all those years; can forgiveness and equal treatment be expected with so much resentment done? Nonetheless I can only wish the best to these folk.
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note- the white population is now 9% in south africa.4.3 million now.
it was 13% or 14% in the early 90's. reason- black population is still growing,white population is not,and alot of white left.
black power is the move there.
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
Poor Whites / Rich Blacks In South Africa! JourneyMan reports "The end of the Apartheid regime saw black South Africans gain from democracy and climb the social ladder. On the other hand white South Africans are learning that now the tables have turned, life isnt so easy."
or full video Poor whites - South Africa June 2006 Since the end of apartheid, thousands of white South Africans have been forced into poverty. They blame the government's positive discrimination policies, which favour black employees...
note- to clear up the comment in the last scene he mentions that the most of the poor or black.
true,since they are the major group in the country just like most of the poor in america are white.
but most of the black folks in south africa are NOT poor,THE POVERTY RATE FOR BLACKS IS around 28%. in the early 90's it was 60% or 70%. THEY COME ALONG WAY.
so in other words most of the poor are black in south africa but most blacks are not poor IN SOUTH AFRICA. i hope you get.
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
update- it looks like thking have got worse for whites in south africa and better for blacks.
the white poor seem to have increase from 400,000 something to 700,000,so the white poor is more then 10% now.it may be up to 14% or around there.anyway it's not less then 10% anymore.
this is going to happen because blacks are getting most of the jobs now.in the future has wealth grows and more job are created then maybe the white poverty rate will go back down just like the black poverty rate is doing now and in the future,but for now whites will have to pay the price. in the future if white poverty is greatly decrease and black poverty more so it will show than south africa is a greater country then it is now.all this will show is it's greatness even more so.
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The trade union Solidarity, which brough thet ANC leader Jacob Zuma to Bethlehem, estimates 700,000 whites cannot afford a basic house, and 130,000 are classified as poor. These figures are dwarfed by the numbers of impoverished non-whites but discussion of white poverty has been taboo.
Mr Hermann said between 1997 and 2002, white unemployment rose by 106 per cent. Many in blue-collar or clerical jobs in large companies and councils were offered severance packages in the post-apartheid government's policy of transformation.
When the money ran out, Afrikaners were left destitute. Mr Hermann said the white English population was less affected because they were more "entrepreneurial" and had less-protected professions under apartheid. He acknowledged indifference to poverty among Afrikaners, the main beneficiaries of apartheid who enjoyed subsidised housing, jobs and benefits.
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SA among world’s freer economies Wednesday, 05 March 2008 Economic freedom in South Africa is considered to be higher than that of the world average, according to Heritage Foundation’s 2008 Index of Economic Freedom.
With a score of 63.2%, South Africa’s levels of economic freedom are above the world average of 60.3%. South
Africa earned a global ranking of 57, making it the fourth freest economy of the 40 African countries that were
surveyed. The Africa rankings were topped by Mauritius (18), Botswana (36) and Uganda (52).
surveyed. The Africa rankings were topped by Mauritius (18), Botswana (36) and Uganda (52).
_____________- IN SEEMS THAT LOWER INCOME DOES NOT MEAN POOR IN SOUTH AFRICA,it's mean working class and working class is not poor.
FACT is THE BLACK POOR IN SOUTH AFRICA IS AROUND 30% or 28% WHILE FOR THE OVERALL POOR POPULATION IN SOUTH AFRICA IS AROUND 20%. the white poor is around 9 or 10% so THE WHITE POOR HAS GONE UP AND THE BLACK POOR AS GONE DOWN.the white poor used to be lower then that however,but anyway. THAT'S GOOD NEWS TO ME.READ MORE BELOW.
by the way the white poor is not going to go down that much lower because many of them have money and the skills,but this shows that the black poor has gone downs and will go down more in future.if you want to the white poor to go up,simple get rid of the white rich and middle-class by kicking them out and etc etc ... but then south africa will not be a free country anymore. so far the whites are not rebelling,so no need to kick them out for the time being.
IN FACT it will take time for the average black family to make as much as white but one thing is overlooked,the growth of the wealth has to get larger and the need for more ownership,but even if this gap closes there will still be those who were damage from the past and will never trust any system.whites are the small group and are highly educated so of course they would have % wise higher incomes than most in the country.even if most of the wealth was under control of blacks because it's a free country.if the black population in future is to have on average the higher incomes,most of the wealth must be in thier hands and that will happen and it will take time because the black population is very large and more wealth needs to be create,and that's happening.so overall this is not a quick fix but things are heading in a good direction so far.
this is a evolution ,not revolution .the choice was made for evolution because this is thebest path for a highly advanced modern country and a revolution will just do to much damage. for south africa evolution is the best path.south africa does not need a a blood bath against the whites and the country does not need to be set back. they know what they are doing,they are getting the skills from the whites to advanced thier country further and they are getting the skills from the blacks who have them already there,so no need for them to run away either.has more blacks get the skills,then more white will be replaced and this takes time,that is whay it's a evolution .it's aclled a spider's web and for a country like south africa it's the best thing do do.
no need for arm chair generals and constant complaints,because they are on the move with or without black america.
it is not necessary for blacks has a whole to out do whites in the income department, or at least anytime soon.asians in the u.s. have higher incomes than whites in america on average but that does not mean they control the country or most of the land or businesess.
just because you control the land or most of it or most of the resources does not mean you can't have much or most of the pie.it is other factors that come in to play.
blacks in england do better than whites and are called the asians of britian,whatever that means.so it is not as simple as certain folks try to make it. _________________________________ The Black Middle Class: fact or fiction? in south africa
"The Black Middle Class is a mirage,” a caller emphatically announced as I tuned into a radio talk show recently. What was being discussed was BusinessMap’s recent research report BEE 2007 - Empowerment and its Critics. The report analyses the number of Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) equity deals that have taken place over the past year. However the interview didn't really focus on this aspect, but rather around whether a significant Black Middle Class was emerging in South Africa.
As many callers phoned in to say it was a mirage, as phoned in to say it was a reality.
Clearly it would be inappropriate to use as the measure the number of BEE deals brokered, but are there other measures that give real evidence of this emerging group of people?
Let's begin by agreeing that the middle-class is generally accepted as Living Standards Measures (LSM’s) 7, 8 & 9, families that earn between R6,880 and R12,647 per month. LSM’s are researched annually by the South African Advertising Research Foundation and range from Level 1 to Level 10 with Level 1 and 2 being extreme poverty, Level 3 being poor, Level 4,5 & 6 being lower income, Level 7, 8 & 9 being middle income and Level 10 being upper income.
The chart below was produced by the South African Advertising Research Foundation and illustrates how the demographics of families residing at each level have changed between 1994 and 2006.
SA Good News"The rich have become richer and the poor, poorer,” another caller announced as I listened further on the radio talk show. But the table above tells a different story. Yes, the richer have become richer, but the poor have not become poorer. On the contrary, it is estimated that some 500,000 families have moved out of LSM’s 1, 2 & 3 in to LSM’s 4, 5 & 6 and that some 400,000 families have moved out of LSM’s 4, 5 & 6 into LSM’s 7, 8 & 9. What has happened though is that the rich have become richer faster than the poor have become less poor. This was covered recently in the Sunday Times in a report which stated that South Africa is one of the most upwardly mobile societies in the world!
Is there evidence of this? Absolutely. Car sales in South Africa have gone from 365,000 new units in 2003 to 730,000 new units sold last year (2,000 new cars on our roads each day!). What’s more, eighty percent of the buyers were black. The sale of home appliances is also exploding and our property price improvement tops the global rankings. While there is a reasonable supply of houses in the R2m plus bracket at the top end, and in the R50 000 to R400 000 bracket at the bottom end, there is a chronic shortage of mid-priced houses - further evidence of a growing middle class. Once again, most of these aspirant owners are black. There are an estimated 23 million cell phone users in the country. The tax net has grown from 2.3 million taxpayers in 1994 to nearly 7 million today, and this is expected to grow to 10,5 million by 2010. Do the maths - the numbers indicate a growing middle class!
Need further evidence? Read the article in the FM entitled Soweto rising which tells us that there has been a huge economic turnaround in Soweto, most evident in the dramatic growth in retail space. Shopping malls are popping up everywhere, with more planned. Until about five years ago, infrastructural development and private investment was considered too risky. This perception changed when studies showed that the living standards of many blacks were moving up to the “middle class level”. Various malls around Soweto are now providing shopping and entertainment previously only available in the leafy suburbs.
Our economy is now growing at around 5%, whereas our population is predicted to stabilise at between 45m and 48m people over the next 20 years. (Our population is growing at less than 1% per annum, not because of HIV/Aids - although that has an influence - but mostly because of rapid urbanisation and improved education opportunities). Our economy is growing five times faster than our population and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out what the implications are. Most economists feel that our economic prospects will remain good for the next 20 years!
Clearly we still have a massive problem in respect of poverty in South Africa with at least 20% of our population languishing in LSM levels 1,2 & 3, but 10 years ago that number was approximately 40%. I have written much about poverty previously and I certainly do not underestimate the challenge that this presents. Having said that, the fact that the government spends R80bn a year on social grants, benefiting approximately 11 million adults and children “at the bottom of the pile” (surprisingly this is not taking into account when poverty levels are measured) must be factored into the "poverty debate", and “measure” for that matter.
Is a middle-class important in our fledgling democracy? Well, what is happening in South Africa, unlike many other African countries is that economic opportunity, as opposed to political connectedness, is increasingly being realised as an opportunity for prosperity. It is often said that in developing countries, politics drives economics, whereas in developed countries, the opposite holds true. Obviously, the greater the size of the middle-class, the more this pendulum will shift in favour of the latter.
It goes without saying that middle-class people have a lifestyle they wish to protect against the uncertainties of boom/ bust economic practice, rampant inflation and deteriorating currency valuation. Hopefully they will use their vote to ensure this.
The middle-class has a vested interest in the future, the future of their children, of schooling, of health institutions, of infrastructure, of political stability and of economic well-being. This creates upward pressure on delivery; better shops, higher quality entertainment, working infrastructure, good schools, safe amenities, and professional healthcare.
THIS IS WHERE JOBS FOR THE “LOST GENERATION” ARE CREATED.
The South African economy is increasingly becoming service oriented, only 12% of GDP is contributed to by the mining sector, and 20% of GDP by manufacturing. A substantial 68% of GDP is therefore contributed to by the services sector.
What kind of people are employed there? Skilled professionals.
What group of people is unemployed in South Africa? Largely unskilled people with a poor education, the "lost generation" as they are often referred to. How will they be employed? By middle-class people who have a requirement for the services they can offer as waiters, shop assistants, domestic helpers, gardeners, cleaners, security guards etc. (These may be considered to be ordinary jobs, but they do represent the first rung on the ladder out of the poverty trap and they do give the incumbents a real chance to give their children a chance. For more on this, read Jeffrey Sachs’ book The End of Poverty.)
It is often said that for every skilled person entering the economy between four and six unskilled jobs are created. That is why the growth of a middle-class is so important.
Various estimates indicate that our economy currently has a million jobs unfilled. (Wake up Home Affairs, go away those naysayers who argue that whites can't get jobs!). Imagine if these jobs could be filled in the next five years. Imagine how that would dent unemployment!
Is there a growing middle-class? Absolutely.
Is it the solution to poverty and unemployment? Only partially.
Is it good for our country? Fundamentally.
Will it continue to grow? Sure, provided we can produce the skills and maintain economic growth levels and between
between 4% and 6%. ____________________________________________ SA's big spenders drive economic growth
Wednesday, 07 November 2007
Over the past seven years South Africa’s black population has steadily risen in high income earning brackets and has also become South Africa’s biggest spenders, aMarket Research (BMR).according to the University of South Africa’s Bureau of
The BMR’s integrated model of the South African population, labour market and income and expenditure revealed that the white population still remains the wealthiest in the country. But the survey also shows some parity between black and white income earners particularly in the R100K - R300K bracket. Blacks account for 1.4 million of this group and whites, 1.3 million. Project Leader Professor Carl van Aardt highlights this as an
indication of dramatic economic growth in the black population.
The report also shows that the black population leads the pack in household expenditure, spending R550 billion this year, followed by whites whose expenditure amounted to R506 billion Van Aardt believes that the BMR’s investigation into income and expenditure is a more realistic assessment of the
affluence of South African consumers, the sophistication of the markets and a more comprehensive estimate of the actual size of the country’s GDP and thus allowing for more accurate future projections.
We can expect South Africa’s current growth rate at 4.5% to sustain itself over the medium term due to the fact for more accurate future projections. “We can expect South Africa’s current growth rate at 4.5% to sustain itself over the medium term due to the fact South Africa is a consumption driven economy and black consumers will keep growing,” says van Aardt. Medium to long term growth will be driven by government capital expenditure as we progress towards the 2010
Van Aardt confidently states that South Africa is not headed in the direction of Zimbabwe. “The Zimbabwean economy is dependant on basic commodities, agriculture and mining while the South African economy is very diversified. Even if one sector took a knock there would be other factors in place to hold our economy together.” Though we face positive prospects, van Aardt warns that some of South Africa’s biggest problems could threaten economic growth. Both foreign portfolio and direct investment are vulnerable to crime. A loss in these foreign investments could see South Africa experience a big “economic hiccup”. Though the number of historically disadvantaged South Africans moving into higher earning brackets is on the increase, “the number of people in poverty has stagnated. We have people trapped in poverty,” says Van Aardt. He attributes this to the skills shortage in South Africa and the mismatch between skills available and skills required. ___________________________________________
Bank: strong economic gains for African economies HARRY DUNPHY 0 Comments Published: April 23, 2010
WASHINGTON (AP) — The economic news out of Africa is good, spurred by strong demand from global markets for African oil, minerals and agricultural products.
The African Development Bank reports the region is one of the fastest growing in the world, with a projected overall growth rate of more than 4 percent in 2010, more than double that of most developed countries still recovering from the economic meltdown that began in late 2008.
The crisis did have an impact on many African economies, which were registering growth rates of more than 6 percent before it struck.
"If the world economy and world trade continue to recover, and oil and non-oil commodity prices remain close to current levels, the outlook for continuing growth in 2010 is extremely promising, progressing toward the almost 6 percent of the pre-crisis period," said Leonce Ndikumana, a Burundian who is the African bank's chief economist.
He said with an increasing number of investors willing to take advantage of opportunities in Africa and a fast-growing middle class, "the contemporary African landscape is not dissimilar from that of Asia a few decades ago."
The bank projected that Congo (Brazzaville) would have the fastest growing economy at 11.8 percent, followed by Angola, 8.7 percent, and Congo (Kinshasa) at 6.2 percent.
At the other end of the scale, a number of countries hit harder by the crisis will take longer to recover. They include Equatorial Guinea, minus 2.6 percent; Swaziland, 0.9 percent; and Seychelles, 1.3 percent.
Included in this group, surprisingly, is South Africa, the continent's most vibrant economy, whose growth rate is projected at 2.2 percent.
The bank said much of southern Africa's problem can be attributed to the collapse of commodity prices and the fall of export volumes. These factors led to declines in employment, exports, cash remittances, foreign direct investment and other revenues.
Throughout the economic crisis, the bank said it has played a major role helping countries and mobilizing financing from outside sources, especially the private sector.
Ndikumana said public sector lending continues to be important, but the bank wants to see the private sector broaden the base for growth in Africa.
"In the past the emphasis has been on the public sector, but that is not sufficient to reach and sustain high growth rates. Support for the private sector creates income and jobs."
Asian countries are taking advantage of the investment potential, the bank said, especially Chinese but also Korean and Indian investors.
"Chinese investment currently is very significant," said Ndikumana. "In many ways the Chinese are underwriting the industrialization of the continent." Investment from the Middle East also is increasing, including in agriculture.
The bank said it hopes that these emerging partnerships with new investors will serve as hedges against future shocks from the developed world and will broaden Africa's export base.
Blacks flourishing SOWETO, South Africa - Black South Africans are reaping the benefits of a growing economy, and at the heart of it is Soweto, where Nelson Mandela presided over the gala opening of a multimillion-dollar mall yesterday. The sprawling township that was the center of the anti-apartheid struggle is being transformed, with new houses, new parks and paved roads. [/QB][/QUOTE]
____________________________ THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS. BYE BYE.
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
NOTE- THE BLACK POPULATION IS STILL GROWING.THE OVERALL POPULATION BY 2050 IN SOUTH AFRICA MAY BE AROUND 67 TO 69 MILLION. so it will still grow more then 1% a year
Posted by Masonic Rebel (Member # 9549) on :
What is even Crazier is that the Afrikaan Elite still controls of 80% or higher of South Africa resourses.
That’s the Real Problem
I haven’t forgotten about Cecil Rhodes plan have any of YOU?
These People are what we call under a Capitalist System “Sacrificial Lamb” or “Sheep”
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
yeah,but they are getting less and less of that control and in the end,within this this decade most of that control they will loss,sooner or later.africanization is taking place,not has fast has one would like but it's happening.
Posted by Mind0verMatter718 (Member # 17548) on :
Next thing you know niggers will be stealing high speed trains.
Coming to a neighborhood near you!
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
here another conversion talking about the high speed train.it seems it is made now in south africa too.
[QUOTE=jules3c;58831147]The gautrain is the greatest train ever build on the African continent.design, developed, financed and build by south Africans. A true African achievement.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Yoniii;58839297]Are the trains actually manufactured in SA? I thought it would be French or something. Wow, that's really an accomplishment.[/QUOTE]
___________________ [QUOTE=Lydon;58842615]Haha no, ElectroStar in the UK designed the trains themselves.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=JoHaN 15;58842827]Not entirely. The Gautrain is a joint project between a South African, French and German company. 15 Cars are manufactured in Britain while the remainder are assembled in South Africa using components made in Britain.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=jules3c;58850619]Most big products in the west are not 100% manufactured in one country. For example the Airbus especially the a380xxx is build build in many countries including the USA. I believe some of the seats are manufactured in south Africa, however the everything is assembled in France. I believe it is Toulouse France. Samething with the gautrain. First they come up with a plan, then design, develop, finance and then find partners and in the end the whole plan gets excecuted. The gautrain is being managed by south African engineers from start to finish. The labor is south African and there is transfer of technology from brittain in building the trains itself.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=dakhla;58885593]yeah your right, a lot of airbus part are made in morocco, last year the aeronautique sector made over 1 billion $ for the first time in morocco and the growt is 20% a year, and tunisia just assembled it first airbus 2 mo ago..... yeah there is a lot of thing that are made in africa for international market.
i hope south africa will make more of those trains and export them to other african countries in the futur, that how we can move ahead.
the transfert of technology is verry important.[/QUOTE]
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Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
edited- that would be a online conversation talking about the high speed train.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Gautrain is a train system built primarily by white engineers with cheap black labor financed by wealth stolen from blacks. The first lines are primarily connecting rich white enclaves and suburbs to upper class white corporate areas which are mostly white. How does any of this have anything to do with progress for blacks?
Progress for blacks in South Africa should be measured by:
1) Number of contstruction, engineering and development firms owned and controlled by blacks
2) Financing, capital and other wealth controlled by blacks (from diamonds, gold, platinum, aluminum, etc)
3) Construction projects (rail lines, highways, schools, hotels, apartments and housing), not only built with black labor but designed and financed by wealth controlled by blacks directly for the benefit of blacks.
Being happy about projects that have minimal direct impact on black lives is silliness. Most blacks in South Africa still live in shanty towns, yet black people think a rail line built for whites to travel from their upscale suburbs to their almost exclusively white jobs is somehow progress.....
In reality based on the history of apartheid and its economic agenda, the only progress for blacks in South Africa is to control the industrial and economic base of the country. Otherwise, they will never be anything more than unemployed landless peasant masses, with no land, no wealth and no control of economics, while the even smaller white minority lives in the lap of luxury protected by their black face political clowns who cater to their every need.
That is not freedom it is stupidity.
Blacks in Africa have all the natural resources, brain power and manpower they need to build and develop their own communities for the future. The problem was and still is the fact that white racists run the global economic system and this system was implicitly built on and is supported through the continuing economic disenfranchisement and oppression of blacks and stealing the land, labor and wealth of Africa.
Blacks today simply like living in a fantasy world of topsy turvy land, where down is up and up is down, meaning their worsening plight is imagined as "good" and actually doing something to really make things better is the "bad" thing to do. So don't put a foot in the ass of the thieves who have stolen all of your wealth and live lavishly at your expense. Of course not. That would be bad. No, you should treat them with honor and respect after all the years of killing your ancestors, degrading them and enslaving them in order to bring about the "progress" that blacks really don't participate in to this day, except as consumers, which really means nothing. Don't just be happy to be able to go into the store and buy or sit at the counter (American civil rights agenda), be about owning the store. Don't just be happy to ride on a train designed and built to service white wealth, design and build a train to service blacks.
That is the only answer.
Do what everyone else does: take your future and destiny in your own hands and do for self. Stop waiting for an economic system designed to destroy blacks to somehow change its stripes and begin to benefit blacks and create wealth and power for blacks. It won't ever happen.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by kenndo:
quote:SA among world’s freer economies Wednesday, 05 March 2008 Economic freedom in South Africa is considered to be higher than that of the world average, according to Heritage Foundation’s 2008 Index of Economic Freedom.
With a score of 63.2%, South Africa’s levels of economic freedom are above the world average of 60.3%. South
Africa earned a global ranking of 57, making it the fourth freest economy of the 40 African countries that were
surveyed. The Africa rankings were topped by Mauritius (18), Botswana (36) and Uganda (52).
surveyed. The Africa rankings were topped by Mauritius (18), Botswana (36) and Uganda (52).
_____________- IN SEEMS THAT LOWER INCOME DOES NOT MEAN POOR IN SOUTH AFRICA,it's mean working class and working class is not poor.
FACT is THE BLACK POOR IN SOUTH AFRICA IS AROUND 30% or 28% WHILE FOR THE OVERALL POOR POPULATION IN SOUTH AFRICA IS AROUND 20%. the white poor is around 9 or 10% so THE WHITE POOR HAS GONE UP AND THE BLACK POOR AS GONE DOWN.the white poor used to be lower then that however,but anyway. THAT'S GOOD NEWS TO ME.READ MORE BELOW.
by the way the white poor is not going to go down that much lower because many of them have money and the skills,but this shows that the black poor has gone downs and will go down more in future.if you want to the white poor to go up,simple get rid of the white rich and middle-class by kicking them out and etc etc ... but then south africa will not be a free country anymore. so far the whites are not rebelling,so no need to kick them out for the time being.
IN FACT it will take time for the average black family to make as much as white but one thing is overlooked,the growth of the wealth has to get larger and the need for more ownership,but even if this gap closes there will still be those who were damage from the past and will never trust any system.whites are the small group and are highly educated so of course they would have % wise higher incomes than most in the country.even if most of the wealth was under control of blacks because it's a free country.if the black population in future is to have on average the higher incomes,most of the wealth must be in thier hands and that will happen and it will take time because the black population is very large and more wealth needs to be create,and that's happening.so overall this is not a quick fix but things are heading in a good direction so far.
this is a evolution ,not revolution .the choice was made for evolution because this is thebest path for a highly advanced modern country and a revolution will just do to much damage. for south africa evolution is the best path.south africa does not need a a blood bath against the whites and the country does not need to be set back. they know what they are doing,they are getting the skills from the whites to advanced thier country further and they are getting the skills from the blacks who have them already there,so no need for them to run away either.has more blacks get the skills,then more white will be replaced and this takes time,that is whay it's a evolution .it's aclled a spider's web and for a country like south africa it's the best thing do do.
no need for arm chair generals and constant complaints,because they are on the move with or without black america.
it is not necessary for blacks has a whole to out do whites in the income department, or at least anytime soon.asians in the u.s. have higher incomes than whites in america on average but that does not mean they control the country or most of the land or businesess.
just because you control the land or most of it or most of the resources does not mean you can't have much or most of the pie.it is other factors that come in to play.
blacks in england do better than whites and are called the asians of britian,whatever that means.so it is not as simple as certain folks try to make it. _________________________________ The Black Middle Class: fact or fiction? in south africa
"The Black Middle Class is a mirage,” a caller emphatically announced as I tuned into a radio talk show recently. What was being discussed was BusinessMap’s recent research report BEE 2007 - Empowerment and its Critics. The report analyses the number of Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) equity deals that have taken place over the past year. However the interview didn't really focus on this aspect, but rather around whether a significant Black Middle Class was emerging in South Africa.
As many callers phoned in to say it was a mirage, as phoned in to say it was a reality.
Clearly it would be inappropriate to use as the measure the number of BEE deals brokered, but are there other measures that give real evidence of this emerging group of people?
Let's begin by agreeing that the middle-class is generally accepted as Living Standards Measures (LSM’s) 7, 8 & 9, families that earn between R6,880 and R12,647 per month. LSM’s are researched annually by the South African Advertising Research Foundation and range from Level 1 to Level 10 with Level 1 and 2 being extreme poverty, Level 3 being poor, Level 4,5 & 6 being lower income, Level 7, 8 & 9 being middle income and Level 10 being upper income.
The chart below was produced by the South African Advertising Research Foundation and illustrates how the demographics of families residing at each level have changed between 1994 and 2006.
SA Good News"The rich have become richer and the poor, poorer,” another caller announced as I listened further on the radio talk show. But the table above tells a different story. Yes, the richer have become richer, but the poor have not become poorer. On the contrary, it is estimated that some 500,000 families have moved out of LSM’s 1, 2 & 3 in to LSM’s 4, 5 & 6 and that some 400,000 families have moved out of LSM’s 4, 5 & 6 into LSM’s 7, 8 & 9. What has happened though is that the rich have become richer faster than the poor have become less poor. This was covered recently in the Sunday Times in a report which stated that South Africa is one of the most upwardly mobile societies in the world!
Is there evidence of this? Absolutely. Car sales in South Africa have gone from 365,000 new units in 2003 to 730,000 new units sold last year (2,000 new cars on our roads each day!). What’s more, eighty percent of the buyers were black. The sale of home appliances is also exploding and our property price improvement tops the global rankings. While there is a reasonable supply of houses in the R2m plus bracket at the top end, and in the R50 000 to R400 000 bracket at the bottom end, there is a chronic shortage of mid-priced houses - further evidence of a growing middle class. Once again, most of these aspirant owners are black. There are an estimated 23 million cell phone users in the country. The tax net has grown from 2.3 million taxpayers in 1994 to nearly 7 million today, and this is expected to grow to 10,5 million by 2010. Do the maths - the numbers indicate a growing middle class!
Need further evidence? Read the article in the FM entitled Soweto rising which tells us that there has been a huge economic turnaround in Soweto, most evident in the dramatic growth in retail space. Shopping malls are popping up everywhere, with more planned. Until about five years ago, infrastructural development and private investment was considered too risky. This perception changed when studies showed that the living standards of many blacks were moving up to the “middle class level”. Various malls around Soweto are now providing shopping and entertainment previously only available in the leafy suburbs.
Our economy is now growing at around 5%, whereas our population is predicted to stabilise at between 45m and 48m people over the next 20 years. (Our population is growing at less than 1% per annum, not because of HIV/Aids - although that has an influence - but mostly because of rapid urbanisation and improved education opportunities). Our economy is growing five times faster than our population and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out what the implications are. Most economists feel that our economic prospects will remain good for the next 20 years!
Clearly we still have a massive problem in respect of poverty in South Africa with at least 20% of our population languishing in LSM levels 1,2 & 3, but 10 years ago that number was approximately 40%. I have written much about poverty previously and I certainly do not underestimate the challenge that this presents. Having said that, the fact that the government spends R80bn a year on social grants, benefiting approximately 11 million adults and children “at the bottom of the pile” (surprisingly this is not taking into account when poverty levels are measured) must be factored into the "poverty debate", and “measure” for that matter.
Is a middle-class important in our fledgling democracy? Well, what is happening in South Africa, unlike many other African countries is that economic opportunity, as opposed to political connectedness, is increasingly being realised as an opportunity for prosperity. It is often said that in developing countries, politics drives economics, whereas in developed countries, the opposite holds true. Obviously, the greater the size of the middle-class, the more this pendulum will shift in favour of the latter.
It goes without saying that middle-class people have a lifestyle they wish to protect against the uncertainties of boom/ bust economic practice, rampant inflation and deteriorating currency valuation. Hopefully they will use their vote to ensure this.
The middle-class has a vested interest in the future, the future of their children, of schooling, of health institutions, of infrastructure, of political stability and of economic well-being. This creates upward pressure on delivery; better shops, higher quality entertainment, working infrastructure, good schools, safe amenities, and professional healthcare.
THIS IS WHERE JOBS FOR THE “LOST GENERATION” ARE CREATED.
The South African economy is increasingly becoming service oriented, only 12% of GDP is contributed to by the mining sector, and 20% of GDP by manufacturing. A substantial 68% of GDP is therefore contributed to by the services sector.
What kind of people are employed there? Skilled professionals.
What group of people is unemployed in South Africa? Largely unskilled people with a poor education, the "lost generation" as they are often referred to. How will they be employed? By middle-class people who have a requirement for the services they can offer as waiters, shop assistants, domestic helpers, gardeners, cleaners, security guards etc. (These may be considered to be ordinary jobs, but they do represent the first rung on the ladder out of the poverty trap and they do give the incumbents a real chance to give their children a chance. For more on this, read Jeffrey Sachs’ book The End of Poverty.)
It is often said that for every skilled person entering the economy between four and six unskilled jobs are created. That is why the growth of a middle-class is so important.
Various estimates indicate that our economy currently has a million jobs unfilled. (Wake up Home Affairs, go away those naysayers who argue that whites can't get jobs!). Imagine if these jobs could be filled in the next five years. Imagine how that would dent unemployment!
Is there a growing middle-class? Absolutely.
Is it the solution to poverty and unemployment? Only partially.
Is it good for our country? Fundamentally.
Will it continue to grow? Sure, provided we can produce the skills and maintain economic growth levels and between
between 4% and 6%. ____________________________________________ SA's big spenders drive economic growth
Wednesday, 07 November 2007
Over the past seven years South Africa’s black population has steadily risen in high income earning brackets and has also become South Africa’s biggest spenders, aMarket Research (BMR).according to the University of South Africa’s Bureau of
The BMR’s integrated model of the South African population, labour market and income and expenditure revealed that the white population still remains the wealthiest in the country. But the survey also shows some parity between black and white income earners particularly in the R100K - R300K bracket. Blacks account for 1.4 million of this group and whites, 1.3 million. Project Leader Professor Carl van Aardt highlights this as an
indication of dramatic economic growth in the black population.
The report also shows that the black population leads the pack in household expenditure, spending R550 billion this year, followed by whites whose expenditure amounted to R506 billion Van Aardt believes that the BMR’s investigation into income and expenditure is a more realistic assessment of the
affluence of South African consumers, the sophistication of the markets and a more comprehensive estimate of the actual size of the country’s GDP and thus allowing for more accurate future projections.
We can expect South Africa’s current growth rate at 4.5% to sustain itself over the medium term due to the fact for more accurate future projections. “We can expect South Africa’s current growth rate at 4.5% to sustain itself over the medium term due to the fact South Africa is a consumption driven economy and black consumers will keep growing,” says van Aardt. Medium to long term growth will be driven by government capital expenditure as we progress towards the 2010
Van Aardt confidently states that South Africa is not headed in the direction of Zimbabwe. “The Zimbabwean economy is dependant on basic commodities, agriculture and mining while the South African economy is very diversified. Even if one sector took a knock there would be other factors in place to hold our economy together.” Though we face positive prospects, van Aardt warns that some of South Africa’s biggest problems could threaten economic growth. Both foreign portfolio and direct investment are vulnerable to crime. A loss in these foreign investments could see South Africa experience a big “economic hiccup”. Though the number of historically disadvantaged South Africans moving into higher earning brackets is on the increase, “the number of people in poverty has stagnated. We have people trapped in poverty,” says Van Aardt. He attributes this to the skills shortage in South Africa and the mismatch between skills available and skills required. ___________________________________________
Bank: strong economic gains for African economies HARRY DUNPHY 0 Comments Published: April 23, 2010
WASHINGTON (AP) — The economic news out of Africa is good, spurred by strong demand from global markets for African oil, minerals and agricultural products.
The African Development Bank reports the region is one of the fastest growing in the world, with a projected overall growth rate of more than 4 percent in 2010, more than double that of most developed countries still recovering from the economic meltdown that began in late 2008.
The crisis did have an impact on many African economies, which were registering growth rates of more than 6 percent before it struck.
"If the world economy and world trade continue to recover, and oil and non-oil commodity prices remain close to current levels, the outlook for continuing growth in 2010 is extremely promising, progressing toward the almost 6 percent of the pre-crisis period," said Leonce Ndikumana, a Burundian who is the African bank's chief economist.
He said with an increasing number of investors willing to take advantage of opportunities in Africa and a fast-growing middle class, "the contemporary African landscape is not dissimilar from that of Asia a few decades ago."
The bank projected that Congo (Brazzaville) would have the fastest growing economy at 11.8 percent, followed by Angola, 8.7 percent, and Congo (Kinshasa) at 6.2 percent.
At the other end of the scale, a number of countries hit harder by the crisis will take longer to recover. They include Equatorial Guinea, minus 2.6 percent; Swaziland, 0.9 percent; and Seychelles, 1.3 percent.
Included in this group, surprisingly, is South Africa, the continent's most vibrant economy, whose growth rate is projected at 2.2 percent.
The bank said much of southern Africa's problem can be attributed to the collapse of commodity prices and the fall of export volumes. These factors led to declines in employment, exports, cash remittances, foreign direct investment and other revenues.
Throughout the economic crisis, the bank said it has played a major role helping countries and mobilizing financing from outside sources, especially the private sector.
Ndikumana said public sector lending continues to be important, but the bank wants to see the private sector broaden the base for growth in Africa.
"In the past the emphasis has been on the public sector, but that is not sufficient to reach and sustain high growth rates. Support for the private sector creates income and jobs."
Asian countries are taking advantage of the investment potential, the bank said, especially Chinese but also Korean and Indian investors.
"Chinese investment currently is very significant," said Ndikumana. "In many ways the Chinese are underwriting the industrialization of the continent." Investment from the Middle East also is increasing, including in agriculture.
The bank said it hopes that these emerging partnerships with new investors will serve as hedges against future shocks from the developed world and will broaden Africa's export base.
Blacks flourishing SOWETO, South Africa - Black South Africans are reaping the benefits of a growing economy, and at the heart of it is Soweto, where Nelson Mandela presided over the gala opening of a multimillion-dollar mall yesterday. The sprawling township that was the center of the anti-apartheid struggle is being transformed, with new houses, new parks and paved roads.
____________________________ THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS. BYE BYE.
Pure and simple, most black South Africans are poor, extremely poor. This is a fact and has been documented clearly. Most wealth in South Africa is concentrated in few hands among the white elites. Most blacks are the unskilled laborers because of the history of apartheid and therefore most blacks are unemployed and living below the poverty line.
The gini coefficient measures the income distribution between the haves and the have nots and South Africa has among the highest gaps in income between the two groups:
quote: South Africa has overtaken Brazil as the country with the widest gap between rich and poor, according to figures put together by a leading South African academic.
Haroon Bhorat, an economics professor at UCT, told a briefing at Parliament on Friday that South Africa was now "the most unequal society in the world" with a significant increase in income inequality.
"In the long run it is bad for growth. It is a threat to social stability and to growth itself. The long-run trend is a worrying one," he warned.
Bhorat said South Africa's Gini coefficient index - which shows the level of income inequality - stood at 0.679.
This figure is drawn from figures collated by Bhorat using Statistics SA's income and expenditure survey. The figures are based on household income in the 2005/06 year.
The coefficient has risen from the All Media and Products Survey figure of 0.66 in 2007, but is down from an uncomfortably high 0.685 in 2006.
He argued that South Africa had enjoyed a long period of growth which had sustained a growing social security bill, but the country was now in "a high deficit" environment and its ability to maintain these payments was being challenged.
No comparison. And the livestyle of whites is directly based on the oppression and subjugation of blacks. No amount of fairy tale stories of whites "deserving" their wealth because of their "hard work" should even be mentioned because it is a lie. Yet blacks want to convince themselves that they are living in a "free" world (even as blacks world wide are still primarily at the bottom of every socio-economic ladder on the planet). But this is what has happened because blacks in South Africa, following in the footsteps of Nelson Mandela the sell out, have given whites a pass on economic equality and therefore allow themselves to continue to live in poverty while everyone else lives in prosperity from the wealth they steal from Africans.
Under this current economic system which is inherently built on white privilege power and racism, blacks will stay poor and continue to slide down the scale as wealth gets concentrated even more in the hands of the white and other foreign elites. The small bump in wealth that occurs right after independence is only temporary. Wealth is only grown and sustained through direct control and ownership of land, labor and resources. Blacks don't control much of any land, labor or resources anywhere on the face of this planet. Therefore, blacks will continue to stay poor and their plight will only get worse as their populations increase. The reason being that they will be unable to sustain themselves because they don't have the control of the land and resources to do so, as this land and those resources are continually being snapped up by whites and foreigners with the complicity of sell outs in African government, leaving Africans with nothing to support their own.
Posted by redShift (Member # 11143) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: ......
No comparison. And the livestyle of whites is directly based on the oppression and subjugation of blacks. No amount of fairy tale stories of whites "deserving" their wealth because of their "hard work" should even be mentioned because it is a lie. Yet blacks want to convince themselves that they are living in a "free" world (even as blacks world wide are still primarily at the bottom of every socio-economic ladder on the planet). But this is what has happened because blacks in South Africa, following in the footsteps of Nelson Mandela the sell out, have given whites a pass on economic equality and therefore allow themselves to continue to live in poverty while everyone else lives in prosperity from the wealth they steal from Africans.
Under this current economic system which is inherently built on white privilege power and racism, blacks will stay poor and continue to slide down the scale as wealth gets concentrated even more in the hands of the white and other foreign elites. The small bump in wealth that occurs right after independence is only temporary. Wealth is only grown and sustained through direct control and ownership of land, labor and resources. Blacks don't control much of any land, labor or resources anywhere on the face of this planet. Therefore, blacks will continue to stay poor and their plight will only get worse as their populations increase. The reason being that they will be unable to sustain themselves because they don't have the control of the land and resources to do so, as this land and those resources are continually being snapped up by whites and foreigners with the complicity of sell outs in African government, leaving Africans with nothing to support their own.
^^^ Thats real talks.
As i’ve been following the world cup footage i’ve noticed there has been an agenda in the works for some time now to push an idea that whites in SA are now marginalized, being pushed out and are now 2nd class citizens. This is not the case, the economic control is still in the same filthy hands.
I love how that one video about the wealthy black couple shows how when they are sending their child to what appears to be an expensive private school almost every child in there is white. hahaha, propaganda fail.
IMO it looks to me as though the sole purpose of this video is to discourage whites from aiding up and comers like this couple. I.E. “if you shop from this man’s shoe store your putting a white family out of a home...”
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
Continuing with the direction Kenndo had taken herein, the following are a section of projects of the highly ambitious and multi-tech savvy Kwadwo Safo of Ghana...
^Designed and built in the country (Ghana), this model has been named "Kantanka Obrempon" (II?), one of the two models with the same name.
More views of the vehicle...
Some might dismiss undertakings like this as mere putting together of imported stuff, when these sorts of things are being discussed about Africa; however, think again...
^At work in the foundry, making drive-train components [manifolds, engine cast, pistons, gears, etc] from molds...
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Hey Explorer been awhile.. But I wish Africans while playing catch-up would develop a different energy/fuel system or adopt a clean energy system before the west in much same way most Africans skipped the the bronze age and went straight from stone to Iron or even steel.
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
Continued from above...
^Life-size mock-up of a locally built 6 cylinder engine.
^Another model, likely the "Kantanka Onantefo" I.
^The "Kantanka Obrempon" I (?).
^The "Kantanka Onantefo II".
These concepts are to pave way for the construction of a mass-manufacturing complex. Below are drawings and computerized renderings of a would-be Egyptian "electric car", given the project name of "Cairo Car"
^At this point only a concept; reportedly, no word yet on if and when a production example would be available.
And there are many more examples like those given above. What these examples do show however, is the drive and will of ordinary African folks to make things happen if and when they are given the chance, the resources and necessary [government] subsidies to do so. There is nothing "naturally" intrinsic about Africans in many cases being stripped of the ability to implement these sorts of essentials of metropolitan life and rivaling those elsewhere; they are quite simply denied the necessary apparatus to implement them by the high governing offices and international "decision makers".
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Hey Explorer been awhile.. But I wish Africans while playing catch-up would develop a different energy/fuel system or adopt a clean energy system before the west in much same way most Africans skipped the the bronze age and went straight from stone to Iron or even steel.
It seems like it's been awhile, since I've scaled down my postings here; I simply post when the topic matter interests me. That's been lacking for some time. There was a time here when secular and scientific matters were discussed to a considerable enough degree, but it now looks like the "Egyptology" affiliated sections of this site have reached another turning point; it seems to have become something of a theological board, alternated by trite nonsense in other occasions. Not my cup of tea. Anyway, in relation to what you just said, it's happening in select sections of the continent. There is one example provided above, and I've pointed out other examples here in a previous discussion. You see, when Africans mastered Iron and steel technology, they were largely free from all the international meddling and resource plundering that now takes place, in many cases with the help of local stooges. The forces hindering African initiatives are more complex now, and also come from outside of the continent.
Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
^^ Hopefully there are government programs underway to help these people, and indeed all South Africans. The white squatter camp seems comparatively well furnished compared to the dismal shacks of Soweto and other black areas in the 1970s and 1980s..
and to the squatter camps of black immigrants to SOuth Africa today. These face not only harsh poverty but vicious attacks by the local peoples.. as shown below..
that's a lie doug,most south african blacks are not poor and most do not live like that any more.see i said you are nothing but negative news and even out of date ones as well.the articles i posted above speaks for themselves.the ones i posted are the truth.south african blacks are moving ahead.is there still poverty and could in go down faster if the wealth was a largely in black hand today?yes,but have they made majorprogress still?yes.is ther still away to go?but southa frica is nowhere where it was under what rule.blacks there will tell you if you go to visited yourself.i just have the funny felling thta whne the wealth is in mostly black hands in a few years from now,you will still be complaining that all of it should in there hands now.there is no pleasing someone lie you.the i ahve given up on you.the more truthful info is for folks that want to know where is south africa at today basically and where it is going.
the most correct picture would be in that video blacks without borders i have posted,and since then or before even most blacks in soweto are not poor,or at least there is a large non-poor group.soweto is being build up fast as well.i guess you do not like that news,well to bad.
that's all from me about this and my last time coming back here in this thread for real . bye.
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
quote:Originally posted by kenndo:
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_________________________________ The Black Middle Class: fact or fiction? in south africa
"The Black Middle Class is a mirage,” a caller emphatically announced as I tuned into a radio talk show recently. What was being discussed was BusinessMap’s recent research report BEE 2007 - Empowerment and its Critics. The report analyses the number of Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) equity deals that have taken place over the past year. However the interview didn't really focus on this aspect, but rather around whether a significant Black Middle Class was emerging in South Africa.
As many callers phoned in to say it was a mirage, as phoned in to say it was a reality.
Clearly it would be inappropriate to use as the measure the number of BEE deals brokered, but are there other measures that give real evidence of this emerging group of people?
Let's begin by agreeing that the middle-class is generally accepted as Living Standards Measures (LSM’s) 7, 8 & 9, families that earn between R6,880 and R12,647 per month. LSM’s are researched annually by the South African Advertising Research Foundation and range from Level 1 to Level 10 with Level 1 and 2 being extreme poverty, Level 3 being poor, Level 4,5 & 6 being lower income, Level 7, 8 & 9 being middle income and Level 10 being upper income.
The chart below was produced by the South African Advertising Research Foundation and illustrates how the demographics of families residing at each level have changed between 1994 and 2006.
SA Good News"The rich have become richer and the poor, poorer,” another caller announced as I listened further on the radio talk show. But the table above tells a different story. Yes, the richer have become richer, but the poor have not become poorer. On the contrary, it is estimated that some 500,000 families have moved out of LSM’s 1, 2 & 3 in to LSM’s 4, 5 & 6 and that some 400,000 families have moved out of LSM’s 4, 5 & 6 into LSM’s 7, 8 & 9. What has happened though is that the rich have become richer faster than the poor have become less poor. This was covered recently in the Sunday Times in a report which stated that South Africa is one of the most upwardly mobile societies in the world!
Is there evidence of this? Absolutely. Car sales in South Africa have gone from 365,000 new units in 2003 to 730,000 new units sold last year (2,000 new cars on our roads each day!). What’s more, eighty percent of the buyers were black. The sale of home appliances is also exploding and our property price improvement tops the global rankings. While there is a reasonable supply of houses in the R2m plus bracket at the top end, and in the R50 000 to R400 000 bracket at the bottom end, there is a chronic shortage of mid-priced houses - further evidence of a growing middle class. Once again, most of these aspirant owners are black. There are an estimated 23 million cell phone users in the country. The tax net has grown from 2.3 million taxpayers in 1994 to nearly 7 million today, and this is expected to grow to 10,5 million by 2010. Do the maths - the numbers indicate a growing middle class!
Need further evidence? Read the article in the FM entitled Soweto rising which tells us that there has been a huge economic turnaround in Soweto, most evident in the dramatic growth in retail space. Shopping malls are popping up everywhere, with more planned. Until about five years ago, infrastructural development and private investment was considered too risky. This perception changed when studies showed that the living standards of many blacks were moving up to the “middle class level”. Various malls around Soweto are now providing shopping and entertainment previously only available in the leafy suburbs.
Our economy is now growing at around 5%, whereas our population is predicted to stabilise at between 45m and 48m people over the next 20 years. (Our population is growing at less than 1% per annum, not because of HIV/Aids - although that has an influence - but mostly because of rapid urbanisation and improved education opportunities). Our economy is growing five times faster than our population and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out what the implications are. Most economists feel that our economic prospects will remain good for the next 20 years!
Clearly we still have a massive problem in respect of poverty in South Africa with at least 20% of our population languishing in LSM levels 1,2 & 3, but 10 years ago that number was approximately 40%. I have written much about poverty previously and I certainly do not underestimate the challenge that this presents. Having said that, the fact that the government spends R80bn a year on social grants, benefiting approximately 11 million adults and children “at the bottom of the pile” (surprisingly this is not taking into account when poverty levels are measured) must be factored into the "poverty debate", and “measure” for that matter.
Is a middle-class important in our fledgling democracy? Well, what is happening in South Africa, unlike many other African countries is that economic opportunity, as opposed to political connectedness, is increasingly being realised as an opportunity for prosperity. It is often said that in developing countries, politics drives economics, whereas in developed countries, the opposite holds true. Obviously, the greater the size of the middle-class, the more this pendulum will shift in favour of the latter.
It goes without saying that middle-class people have a lifestyle they wish to protect against the uncertainties of boom/ bust economic practice, rampant inflation and deteriorating currency valuation. Hopefully they will use their vote to ensure this.
The middle-class has a vested interest in the future, the future of their children, of schooling, of health institutions, of infrastructure, of political stability and of economic well-being. This creates upward pressure on delivery; better shops, higher quality entertainment, working infrastructure, good schools, safe amenities, and professional healthcare.
THIS IS WHERE JOBS FOR THE “LOST GENERATION” ARE CREATED.
The South African economy is increasingly becoming service oriented, only 12% of GDP is contributed to by the mining sector, and 20% of GDP by manufacturing. A substantial 68% of GDP is therefore contributed to by the services sector.
What kind of people are employed there? Skilled professionals.
What group of people is unemployed in South Africa? Largely unskilled people with a poor education, the "lost generation" as they are often referred to. How will they be employed? By middle-class people who have a requirement for the services they can offer as waiters, shop assistants, domestic helpers, gardeners, cleaners, security guards etc. (These may be considered to be ordinary jobs, but they do represent the first rung on the ladder out of the poverty trap and they do give the incumbents a real chance to give their children a chance. For more on this, read Jeffrey Sachs’ book The End of Poverty.)
It is often said that for every skilled person entering the economy between four and six unskilled jobs are created. That is why the growth of a middle-class is so important.
Various estimates indicate that our economy currently has a million jobs unfilled. (Wake up Home Affairs, go away those naysayers who argue that whites can't get jobs!). Imagine if these jobs could be filled in the next five years. Imagine how that would dent unemployment!
Is there a growing middle-class? Absolutely.
Is it the solution to poverty and unemployment? Only partially.
Is it good for our country? Fundamentally.
Will it continue to grow? Sure, provided we can produce the skills and maintain economic growth levels and between
between 4% and 6%. ____________________________________________ SA's big spenders drive economic growth
Wednesday, 07 November 2007
Over the past seven years South Africa’s black population has steadily risen in high income earning brackets and has also become South Africa’s biggest spenders, aMarket Research (BMR).according to the University of South Africa’s Bureau of
The BMR’s integrated model of the South African population, labour market and income and expenditure revealed that the white population still remains the wealthiest in the country. But the survey also shows some parity between black and white income earners particularly in the R100K - R300K bracket. Blacks account for 1.4 million of this group and whites, 1.3 million. Project Leader Professor Carl van Aardt highlights this as an
indication of dramatic economic growth in the black population.
The report also shows that the black population leads the pack in household expenditure, spending R550 billion this year, followed by whites whose expenditure amounted to R506 billion Van Aardt believes that the BMR’s investigation into income and expenditure is a more realistic assessment of the
affluence of South African consumers, the sophistication of the markets and a more comprehensive estimate of the actual size of the country’s GDP and thus allowing for more accurate future projections.
We can expect South Africa’s current growth rate at 4.5% to sustain itself over the medium term due to the fact for more accurate future projections. “We can expect South Africa’s current growth rate at 4.5% to sustain itself over the medium term due to the fact South Africa is a consumption driven economy and black consumers will keep growing,” says van Aardt. Medium to long term growth will be driven by government capital expenditure as we progress towards the 2010
Van Aardt confidently states that South Africa is not headed in the direction of Zimbabwe. “The Zimbabwean economy is dependant on basic commodities, agriculture and mining while the South African economy is very diversified. Even if one sector took a knock there would be other factors in place to hold our economy together.” Though we face positive prospects, van Aardt warns that some of South Africa’s biggest problems could threaten economic growth. Both foreign portfolio and direct investment are vulnerable to crime. A loss in these foreign investments could see South Africa experience a big “economic hiccup”. Though the number of historically disadvantaged South Africans moving into higher earning brackets is on the increase, “the number of people in poverty has stagnated. We have people trapped in poverty,” says Van Aardt. He attributes this to the skills shortage in South Africa and the mismatch between skills available and skills required. ___________________________________________
Bank: strong economic gains for African economies HARRY DUNPHY 0 Comments Published: April 23, 2010
WASHINGTON (AP) — The economic news out of Africa is good, spurred by strong demand from global markets for African oil, minerals and agricultural products.
The African Development Bank reports the region is one of the fastest growing in the world, with a projected overall growth rate of more than 4 percent in 2010, more than double that of most developed countries still recovering from the economic meltdown that began in late 2008.
The crisis did have an impact on many African economies, which were registering growth rates of more than 6 percent before it struck.
"If the world economy and world trade continue to recover, and oil and non-oil commodity prices remain close to current levels, the outlook for continuing growth in 2010 is extremely promising, progressing toward the almost 6 percent of the pre-crisis period," said Leonce Ndikumana, a Burundian who is the African bank's chief economist.
He said with an increasing number of investors willing to take advantage of opportunities in Africa and a fast-growing middle class, "the contemporary African landscape is not dissimilar from that of Asia a few decades ago."
Blacks flourishing SOWETO, South Africa - Black South Africans are reaping the benefits of a growing economy, and at the heart of it is Soweto, where Nelson Mandela presided over the gala opening of a multimillion-dollar mall yesterday. The sprawling township that was the center of the anti-apartheid struggle is being transformed, with new houses, new parks and paved roads.
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black poverty in south africa is about 30% or less THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS.
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