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Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
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KV35 Elder Lady believed to be Queen Tiye


What was the natural state of Queen Tiye's hair?
Look at the top statuette head. That sculpture is about 4" tall.
You can't tell what her hair is doing because as we can see from the head band she's wearing a headress or wig of somekind.
As per features and skin tone she appears to be a "black" African.

Now look at the mummy.

which do you think is true:

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

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In looking at choice d) that she had an afro and it was mummification chemicals that straightened her hair I'm looking at this mummy and trying to imagine that hair in afro form.
She seem to be balding a little in the front.
Regardless there is a lot of hair on that mummy. It seems that if she had that hair as an afro it would be huge like Angela Davis:
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I suppose it could have been a braided style if it was an afro.

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-but then it seems the mummy should also have braided hair and it doesn't.

And if she had this big Angela Davis size fro how could she wear the headresses?

I don't know what is going on here. Of the above choices a,b, c,d
what do you think is most likely?


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Black granite statue of Queen Tiye, mother of Akhenaton. This statue features a standing Queen Tiye wearing a wig and a cobra-decorated crown.
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Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
 
Clearly Caucasoid based on the mummy. Tiye's hair is a wavy auburn colour (Tutankhamen: Life and Death of a Pharaoh, Penguin Books, p. 65).

Don't start the self-hate trolling again, claiming that black women have wavy hair. They don't. They have ugly nappy hair.

Btw, Tiye was the daughter of Thuya, a Priestess of the God Amun. Thuya's mummy, which was found in 1905, has long, wavy red-blonde hair.

Examinations of Tiye's mummy proved that she bore a striking resemblance to her mother. [B. Adams, Egyptian Mummies (Aylesbury: Shire Publications, 1988), p. 39.]

These mummies are clearly Caucasoid.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
lol at this Anglo Piss Pot above.


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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
To Recap..

The African black Sutens of the Nile and their descendants in Upper Egypt and Northern Sudan..

Queen Tiye...the Black Queen of the Nile..

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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
The Descendants of Queen Tiye still in Egypt??..

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The Kemmemou purposely made a Dark Reddish Brown bust of a White Woman out of Yew Heart Wood when they could have used the Yellow instead of the Reddish Brown Heart Wood..

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Right...

You Euroclowns are something else...


 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
Troll Patty your picture spams we've all seen a thousand times before do not resolve the issue as to which of the following is most likey for Queen Tiye

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair


-also your thing about the Yew wood is pure silliness

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^^^ any sculptor using a solid piece of this wood would have to deal with the fact that the center of it and most of it is dark brown. You couldn't get a solid chunk from the yellowish part which forms a band around the outer part so it would be impractical to use that part to make a head from just that portion, think.

Troll Patty as usual you are in a state of emotion again going off topic. The topic is Queen Tiye's hair not Yew wood.
Please step aside and somebody more calm can pick the best explanation.


thanks,
lioness
 
Posted by Sahel (Siptah) (Member # 17601) on :
 
if i had to choose; c) or d)

i believe queen tiye treated her hair via use of products (hair gel) and combing techniques for cosmetic reasons.
 
Posted by adrianne (Member # 10761) on :
 
wheres the evidence that the mummy even is queen tiye, ????
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ The evidence comes from DNA analysis of the mummy along with Tut and other 18th dynasty royals.

The whole hair issue has been discussed to death many times.

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The bust above shows Queen Tiye sporting what archaeologists call the 'round hair' style. This gives no indication whatsoever that such was Tiye's natural hair or a wig. Most likely it was wig as such was the custom of elite and especially royal Egyptians who wore wigs due to shaving their heads or extensions.

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The mummy of Tiye above shows her own hair, but several millennia old mummified hair gives little indication of what the hair looked like when the body was alive.

And even then, such type of hair is not unusual for Africans.

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Note that auburn hair is not uncommon for elderly Africans, and though Tiye wasn't elderly when she died, of course the hair itself aged after death.

Lyinass b.s. productions flushed. [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
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Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidiot:

Clearly Caucasoid based on the mummy. Tiye's hair is a wavy auburn colour (Tutankhamen: Life and Death of a Pharaoh, Penguin Books, p. 65).

Clearly you are delusional.

X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies (Chicago: University of Chicago, 1980)

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First identified as Queen Tiye
The occipital bun is reminiscent of Mesolithic Nubians (see below). Sagittal plateau, rounded forehead with moderately projecting glabella; globular cranium with high vault. Protrusion of incisors, receding chin and steep mandible. Very vertical zygomatic arches and pronounced maxillary prognathism.


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Don't start the self-hate trolling again, claiming that black women have wavy hair. They don't. They have ugly nappy hair.
Sure thing, and all those girls with chocolate dark skin and wavy hair that Troll Patrol posted are not black but white girls. [Roll Eyes]

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Btw, Tiye was the daughter of Thuya, a Priestess of the God Amun. Thuya's mummy, which was found in 1905, has long, wavy red-blonde hair.

Examinations of Tiye's mummy proved that she bore a striking resemblance to her mother. [B. Adams, Egyptian Mummies (Aylesbury: Shire Publications, 1988), p. 39.]

These mummies are clearly Caucasoid.

Actually it was the mummy of Yuya that had blonde hair NOT Thuya.

Thuya
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Mother of Queen Tiye
Rounded, prominent occipital bun; sagittal plateau; rounded forehead. Vertical zygomatic arches; proclined upper and lower incisors; strongly receding chin; steep mandible angle. Maxillary prognathism.


Yes, very caucasian indeed! LMAO [Big Grin]
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ The evidence comes from DNA analysis of the mummy along with Tut and other 18th dynasty royals.

The whole hair issue has been discussed to death many times.

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The bust above shows Queen Tiye sporting what archaeologists call the 'round hair' style. This gives no indication whatsoever that such was Tiye's natural hair or a wig. Most likely it was wig as such was the custom of elite and especially royal Egyptians who wore wigs due to shaving their heads or extensions.

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The mummy of Tiye above shows her own hair, but several millennia old mummified hair gives little indication of what the hair looked like when the body was alive.

And even then, such type of hair is not unusual for Africans.

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I would say that hair such as the photo of the old woman above is not common in Africans. You may dig up five more pictures but I don't think that proves such hair is "common" in Africans.
For example some Europeans/Americans have red hair but it is not common on average. Who is this woman anyway? Where is she from? Below some Omani and Yemeni women for comparison. Some might be described as "afro-arab" .
Also on the Queen Tiye statuette above her lips are relatively large and the overall impression because of this is that she's pure African. However her nose gets very thin in the middle, even Mike111 noticed this and thought it meant that the head was later altered by someone much later. It seems a bit atypical for pure Africans. Why this is I don't know but there is no evidence that the nose was altered later.

The mother of Tiye, Thuya:
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At the same time a similar wide mouth opening and prognathism.

here is a girl from Oman
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Omani woman
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It is easy to notice that some people who do have Arab and and African mixture have facial features that look similar to pure Africans and the Arabs have been trading and mixing with East and North Africans for hundreds of years. Because of the crossover of features and skin tone you can't easily tell by looking who is pure African and who might live in Africa but might be mixed Arab/African. -such as in the case of the elderly woman above
Is it possible a pure African can have straight hair? I'm not sure. I would say it is unproven at this time and I haven't seen a study on it. It seems unlikey to me because we would have heard about specific African tribes that have straight hair.
Further straight hair seems to be an adaptation to cold and I don't mean nightime in the desert becasue the Khoisans as an example don't have anything approaching straight hair

However Djehuti believes otherwise and says about the Queen Tiye mummy is choice a) below.

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair
 
Posted by Ausar Amen8 (Member # 20085) on :
 
Htp, Uhm on the hair thingy; I don't know much (just a first year student at varsity)but I found this, please examine it but if its on the money then I believe Lionness' question should be addressed (I shall rightly demand evidence for any proposed dismissal of this link)

http://stewartsynopsis.com/hair.htm
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ The evidence comes from DNA analysis of the mummy along with Tut and other 18th dynasty royals.

The whole hair issue has been discussed to death many times.

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The bust above shows Queen Tiye sporting what archaeologists call the 'round hair' style. This gives no indication whatsoever that such was Tiye's natural hair or a wig. Most likely it was wig as such was the custom of elite and especially royal Egyptians who wore wigs due to shaving their heads or extensions.

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The mummy of Tiye above shows her own hair, but several millennia old mummified hair gives little indication of what the hair looked like when the body was alive.

And even then, such type of hair is not unusual for Africans.

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I would say that hair such as the photo of the old woman above is not common in Africans. You may dig up five more pictures but I don't think that proves such hair is "common" in Africans.
For example some Europeans/Americans have red hair but it is not common on average. Who is this woman anyway? Where is she from? Below some Omani and Yemeni women for comparison. Some might be described as "afro-arab" .
Also on the Queen Tiye statuette above her lips are relatively large and the overall impression because of this is that she's pure African. However her nose gets very thin in the middle, even Mike111 noticed this and thought it meant that the head was later altered by someone much later. It seems a bit atypical for pure Africans. Why this is I don't know but there is no evidence that the nose was altered later.

The mother of Tiye, Thuya:
 - here we see that similar thinness in the dorsum of the nose.
At the same time a similar wide mouth opening and prognathism.

here is a girl from Oman
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Omani woman
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Yemeni woman
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It is easy to notice that some people who do have Arab and and African mixture have facial features that look similar to pure Africans and the Arabs have been trading and mixing with East and North Africans for hundreds of years. Because of the crossover of features and skin tone you can't easily tell by looking who is pure African and who might live in Africa but might be mixed Arab/African. -such as in the case of the elderly woman above
Is it possible a pure African can have straight hair? I'm not sure. I would say it is unproven at this time and I haven't seen a study on it. It seems unlikey to me because we would have heard about specific African tribes that have straight hair.
Further straight hair seems to be an adaptation to cold and I don't mean nightime in the desert becasue the Khoisans as an example don't have anything approaching straight hair

However Djehuti believes otherwise and says about the Queen Tiye mummy is choice a) below.

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

lol the Omani population is strongly related to African populations, in particular from Sudan and the Horn. Just like Yemen, but to a lesser degree.


Sh*t , you and your idiot rantings.


Always the same dumb brain process with you.

What is it you have against African people? Please do tell?


However, anthropology has shown that ancient people from Egypt were and are closest to those from modern South Egypt/ Northern Sudan. Throughout all periods.


So, I really don't get why you keep babbling bullsh*t all the time.


For the elderly woman, the region where she is from is North Sudan. Her picture was taken by a anthropologist from Sudan.

She granted him permission to take a photo of her. So she is very well known.


And yes, in that region this type of hair, is not uncommon. Since the region is suited for this. As I have posted a few times already. Or is it because some of your coworkers didn't inform you properly? lol


Of course it uncommon to you. A person who yaps out of the ass all the time. A person who doesn't no a damn thing about these regions and populations. A person who has never left the trailer park. Sitting there on your dumbass, writing junk all the time. How uplifting and revealing.

Now, who are the women you've posted? And you may as well address why it not possible for Africans to have this particular type of hair? Why is it impossible to develop such trait in that region....


Give me a good explanation.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Troll Patty your picture spams we've all seen a thousand times before do not resolve the issue as to which of the following is most likey for Queen Tiye

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair


-also your thing about the Yew wood is pure silliness

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^^^ any sculptor using a solid piece of this wood would have to deal with the fact that the center of it and most of it is dark brown. You couldn't get a solid chunk from the yellowish part which forms a band around the outer part so it would be impractical to use that part to make a head from just that portion, think.

Troll Patty as usual you are in a state of emotion again going off topic. The topic is Queen Tiye's hair not Yew wood.
Please step aside and somebody more calm can pick the best explanation.


thanks,
lioness

Piece of sh*t, you aren't in the position to speak on picture spams. You are the master of picture spams. And you know it. There is not just one particular type of hair in Northeast Africa. Because multiple groups moved in to the Nile up North. From the Sahel and Sahara.

But as you can see the hair is thick and curly. So why asking me this stupid question. Imposter black woman.


As usual your rant is based on B.S. And stupidity.


So at the end of this conversation you have to walk off in shame again. Being debunked. You know, it's always the same storyboard.


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For further info. Reread the post above. And the studies that have been posted a billion times. Hence, this is why I did not repost time but merely a few pictures. This seems the only concept you understand. Since science is too complex for a feeble mind like you.


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Also, the wood comparison was in Jari's post, which I quoted.

You are basically a dumbass!
 
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
 
^^

Troll

Didn't Jari post some info on the African originated kingdom that was in Oman?
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by typeZeiss:
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Troll

Didn't Jari post some info on the African originated kingdom that was in Oman?

I am not sure. I have to look into it. I think it was about Yemeni. But but they are geographically connected and next to each other.


Is this the thread you are referring at?


http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=006775;p=1#000000


By the way, I've sent you mail.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
It's funny how Troll is afraid to stand for an explanation. nothing but a time waster

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair
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If this Omani girl has straight hair it means she could have acquired it from ancestry outside of Africa. Likewise with Queen Tiye, it's a possibility.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
It's funny how Troll is afraid to stand for an explanation. nothing but a time waster

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair
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If this Omani girl has straight hair it means she could have acquired it from ancestry outside of Africa. Likewise with Queen Tiye, it's a possibility.

I already answerd your question, but you are too slow to grasp it.


I will repeat it for you...once again feeble mind.


Anthropological research shows that people from North Sudan, Southern Egypt cluster closest with ancient Egyptians.

They are the people who have always lived in the region for tens and thousands of years, ironically it's also the place where the Tombs and major Temples are. Hieroglyphs also show the same people, identical. They are described as GROUP A, B and C. Naqada, Kerma etc...from where they arose.


But how would you know, I mean you've never left your trailer park. So therefore it's obvious.


Therefore your rant is idiotic and dumb.


And of course you did not elaborate on where the women are from and who they are. Of which you posted.


Simple minded egoist.

By the way the hair isn't straight, but thick and curly. Impostor black woman. Thus far you have never explained why all Africans should alike, identical to your archetype/ stereotype. Even thou they don't live and never have lived in the same environment.


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Sudan is a large place. Sudan itself is already at least 1/4 of Europe.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
Troll can post pictures for days but provide no explanation

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

Someone please help him out.
note "straight" includes the sub type wavy-straight as per the mummy
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Troll can post pictures for days but provide no explanation

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

Someone please help him out.

LOOOL

This is ridiculous. lol

But anyway.

How am I going to know if she used CHEMICALS? LOL
As it doesn't even matter.

What I can tell you, is that people from the South of Egypt and Northern Sudan are the closest to ancient EGYPTIANS. Fact is in scientific reachers like archeology, anthropology etc... in that same region you will find a variety of hair textures. Due to many migrations of several groups overtime, who have mixed-intermixed. Therefore you will find a wide variety of people in Northeast Africa, yet typical and very common. The basis for this is the ENVIRONMENT! Which gave shape to these traits in the first place. Dumbass.


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And yes, I can post pictures for day and days...doing away your "only a few others" claim! loooool
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Troll can post pictures for days but provide no explanation

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

Someone please help him out.
note "straight" includes the sub type wavy-straight as per the mummy

For days and days....lol

You yourself are now admitting this.

By the way. It's you who claims STRAIGHT and now WAVE.

I SAID/ WROTE CURLY AND THICK!!!!!!

Do you understand the difference, impostor black woman?

Anyway you want it, you can have it!

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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Troll can post pictures for days but provide no explanation

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

Someone please help him out.
note "straight" includes the sub type wavy-straight as per the mummy

From your questions it is obvious that you aren't a African American woman as you've once claimed to be. What you know is from books or the internet. And is the usual stereotype pushed by dumb white folks.

Afro texture hair can grow out thin and become thick, it can grow out thick and become thin, as it gets longer. There are many types of Afro texture hair. Some times it can be fractured straight, with out CHEMICALS. It doesn't have to be just one or the other. This is why your questions are stupid and laughable.

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Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
Troll I know you like making coffee table picture books but we aren't talking about who might get called "a black person"
or who might live in Africa. You are posting all sorts of genetically mixed people (regardless if they get called "black" or not) people with some ancestry outside of Africa and only serving to help my point that their hair if not of afro type might be due to those outside of Africa mixtures.
Thanks you are helping me make this point now.
the lioness has then doing her bidding and they don't even know it
 
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
 
Damn, Troll Patrol keep the pictures and images coming..My Tumblr Appreciates it.. [Smile]
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
Damn, Troll Patrol keep the pictures and images coming..My Tumblr Appreciates it.. [Smile]

I know you enjoy them. I do as well.


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But I am going to quite now. Maybe tomorrow.

See ya' bro'.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
^^^ Troll don't listen he's an enabler, trying to encourage bad picture spam habits you are trying to break

here's a word for you

concise

^^please look into it

thanks. lioness
 
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
 
Yeah, it helps defeat the tired old nonsense that Europeans like Lyin-ass, Mathilda and Ca-****-he-rides like to spew, trying to link their Indo-European/Germanic ancestors and features to the Afrosan Nilotic Africans. Its rather pathetic.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Troll I know you like making coffee table picture books but we aren't talking about who might get called "a black person"
or who might live in Africa. You are posting all sorts of genetically mixed people (regardless if they get called "black" or not) people with some ancestry outside of Africa and only serving to help my point that their hair if not of afro type might be due to those outside of Africa mixtures.
Thanks you are helping me make this point now.
the lioness has then doing her bidding and they don't even know it

LOL blah blah blah blah....Impostor black woman, why can't these traits be indigenous to AFRICA, give me one good reason????????lol


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Morphological characteristics ...like skin color, hair form, bone traits, eyes, and lips tend to follow geographic boundaries coinciding often with climatic zones . This is not surprising since the selective forces of climate are probably the primary forces of nature that have shaped human races with regard not only to skin color and hair form but also the underlying bony structures of the nose, cheekbones, etc. (For example, more prominent noses humidify air better.) As far as we know, blood-factor frequencies are not shaped by these same climatic factors


Gill, George W. Does Race Exist? A Proponent's Perspective. University of Wyoming, 2000


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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
Yeah, it helps defeat the tired old nonsense that Europeans like Lyin-ass, Mathilda and Ca-****-he-rides like to spew, trying to link their Indo-European/Germanic ancestors and features to the Afrosan Nilotic Africans. Its rather pathetic.

Yup, what they do is look at the two extreme opposites.

But, between these are a lot of intermediate types and ethnic groups, closing the "gap". Which is logic.

A continent this large, and everybody has to look the same? lol

See how I don't get any feedback, on: "they all have lived in their own environment and place for thousands of years. Leading to sectorial ethnic grouping and phenotype."


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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
^^^ Troll don't listen he's an enabler, trying to encourage bad picture spam habits you are trying to break

here's a word for you

concise

^^please look into it

thanks. lioness

Fake African American woman, LOOK INTO NAQADA AND KERMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX4xaQkgaIo


Wadi Kubbaniya (ca. 17,000–15,000 B.C.)

In Egypt, the earliest evidence of humans can be recognized only from tools found scattered over an ancient surface, sometimes with hearths nearby. In Wadi Kubbaniya, a dried-up streambed cutting through the Western Desert to the floodplain northwest of Aswan in Upper Egypt, some interesting sites of the kind described above have been recorded. A cluster of Late Paleolithic camps was located in two different topographic zones: on the tops of dunes and the floor of the wadi (streambed) where it enters the valley. Although no signs of houses were found, diverse and sophisticated stone implements for hunting, fishing, and collecting and processing plants were discovered around hearths. Most tools were bladelets made from a local stone called chert that is widely used in tool fabrication. The bones of wild cattle, hartebeest, many types of fish and birds, as well as the occasional hippopotamus have been identified in the occupation layers. Charred remains of plants that the inhabitants consumed, especially tubers, have also been found.

It appears from the zoological and botanical remains at the various sites in this wadi that the two environmental zones were exploited at different times. We know that the dune sites were occupied when the Nile River flooded the wadi because large numbers of fish and migratory bird bones were found at this location. When the water receded, people then moved down onto the silt left behind on the wadi floor and the floodplain, probably following large animals that looked for water there in the dry season. Paleolithic peoples lived at Wadi Kubbaniya for about 2,000 years, exploiting the different environments as the seasons changed. Other ancient camps have been discovered along the Nile from Sudan to the Mediterranean, yielding similar tools and food remains. These sites demonstrate that the early inhabitants of the Nile valley and its nearby deserts had learned how to exploit local environments, developing economic strategies that were maintained in later cultural traditions of pharaonic Egypt.

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/wadi/hd_wadi.htm


*Wadi Halfa is present North Sudan.

*Wadi Kubbaniya is present Southern Egypt.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
Troll keep posting people mixed with Arabs maybe if you post enough of them the sheer quantity will transform them into pure Africans
 
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
 
^^^
This is what it resorts to when its defeated..lmao. As if Arabs are not admixed, more so than africans. Its nothing but a troll on the Payroll of ARM1 and Sammy, E.S management.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Troll keep posting people mixed with Arabs maybe if you post enough of them the sheer quantity will transform them into pure Africans

Impostor black woman, fake African American woman. Who are "PURE" Africans? And who are those mixed with Arabs?

LOOOOL


THESE TRAITS ARE INDIGENOUS TO THE REGION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you been there ever, NO, HELL NO!!!!!!


Give me one good reason why these traits can't be indigenous to the region, why should everybody in Africa look the same despite of having lived in a completely different environment for thousands of years?!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am waiting...


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Most High, why is this person so stupid?


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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
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This is what it resorts to when its defeated..lmao. As if Arabs are not admixed, more so than africans. Its nothing but a troll on the Payroll of ARM1 and Sammy, E.S management.

So true!!!

Remember how this person boosted up pictures...

Now, this person is completely destroyed.


It's funny how this person will claim the actual North Egyptians from the Delta as "pure". And those from the South as mixed...When historic accounts and traditions tell the opposite and this is backup by science too.

Naqada, Kerma.

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The people STILL look the same and tropical! As is also backed up by science!

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Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
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This is what it resorts to when its defeated..lmao. As if Arabs are not admixed, more so than africans. Its nothing but a troll on the Payroll of ARM1 and Sammy, E.S management.

But the Arabs are admixed and so were the Egyptians

again, unwitting help to the lioness
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
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Just like you!!!!
 
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
 
Indo-European savage. Its a well established and wel known fact the aboriginal Arabs were black Kushites. This is something rabid racists like Perahu and Melchor7 aka Garrig , Eurocentric trolls who are smarter than you, have admitted to countless times. Did'nt you get the memo?? The Leuko-Arabs are nothing but mulatto mutts from the Steppes of Central Asia with no history except Sand Dunes and Camels.

So please let me point and laugh at you trying to envoke Arabs as if they are some pure entity or represent anything signifcant in human evolution.

Stick with your own Indo-European savage history, I mean the Greeks and Romans were decent intersting people, why do you Euroclowns salivate at Africa and Egypt, so?? I don't understand.

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Originally posted by the lioness:
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
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This is what it resorts to when its defeated..lmao. As if Arabs are not admixed, more so than africans. Its nothing but a troll on the Payroll of ARM1 and Sammy, E.S management.

But the Arabs are admixed and so were the Egyptians

again, unwitting help to the lioness


 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
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This is what it resorts to when its defeated..lmao. As if Arabs are not admixed, more so than africans. Its nothing but a troll on the Payroll of ARM1 and Sammy, E.S management.

But the Arabs are admixed and so were the Egyptians

again, unwitting help to the lioness

But but... where is your prove of this? LOOOL


ANCIENT EGYPTS were tropical adapted in limb portions. Lower Egypt was mostly mixed as we have stated many times, especially THE DELTA REGION!!!!!!!

Middle and Southern Egyptians Upper Egypt are still and were tropical adapted. And are morphology closets to the ANCIENT EGYPTIANS!!!


This is unbelievable. For year and years people have explained this to you and shown you actual DATA!!!


Northern ARABS ARE COLD ADAPTED, as they came from a cold environment, where they have lived for thousands of years till the very ending of the Holocene, and they are hairy too!!!!


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Zarahan explained to you how long it takes to go from Tropical adaptation to cold adapt adaptations. Which of course needs an intermediate course, as they are still intermediate or cold adapted. Why we have to go over this again and again...with this person, is beyond me?


So, again impostor African American woman. Why couldn't Africans develop certain traits indigenously within the environment they have lived for thousands of years.....When the environment is suited for these traits.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
Ubaid period (5300 BCE)-.
Umm an-Nar Culture (2600–2000 BCE)
Sabr culture (2000 BCE)
Thamud (3000 BCE to 200 BCE)

Queen Tiye (c. 1398 BC – 1338 BC)

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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Ubaid period (5300 BCE)-.
Umm an-Nar Culture (2600–2000 BCE)
Sabr culture (2000 BCE)
Thamud (3000 BCE to 200 BCE)

Queen Tiye (c. 1398 BC – 1338 BC)

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I asked for prove? Where is your prove of this?


What you have shown is not prove! Idiot! All you do is GUESS WORK!!!!


There was never an Asiatic mass migration into EGYPT! They disliked Asiatics. You Dumb and Dummer.


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"When the Elephantine results were added to a broader pooling of the physical characteristics drawn from a wide geographic region which includes Africa, the Mediterranean and the Near East quite strong affinities emerge between Elephantine and populations from Nubia, supporting a strong south-north cline."

Barry Kemp. (2006) Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilization. p. 54


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Science. 2006 Aug 11;313(5788):803-7. Epub 2006 Jul 20.

Climate-controlled Holocene occupation in the Sahara: motor of Africa's evolution.


Kuper R, Kröpelin S.

Source

Collaborative Research Center 389 (ACACIA), University of Cologne, Institute of Prehistoric Archaeology, Africa Research Unit, Jennerstrasse 8, 50823 Köln, Germany.

Abstract

Radiocarbon data from 150 archaeological excavations in the now hyper-arid Eastern Sahara of Egypt, Sudan, Libya, and Chad reveal close links between climatic variations and prehistoric occupation during the past 12,000 years. Synoptic multiple-indicator views for major time slices demonstrate the transition from initial settlement after the sudden onset of humid conditions at 8500 B.C.E. to the exodus resulting from gradual desiccation since 5300 B.C.E.

Southward shifting of the desert margin helped trigger the emergence of pharaonic civilisation along the Nile, influenced the spread of pastoralism throughout the continent, and affects sub-Saharan Africa to the present day.


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The male cranium above is from Wadi al-Halfa on the Sudan-Egypt border. Dating from the Mesolithic-Holocene period, it is typical of crania in Sudan and surrounding regions from that time frame. More recent Nubian crania from the Christian period have more rounded skulls without the sloping frontal bone. However, the vertical zygomatic arch, prominent glabella, sagittal plateau, and occipital bun (less pronounced) are retained. The cranium above has pronounced facial prognathism, but moderate dental protrusion. The chin is vertical with a angular mandible and very squat ramus. (Image from David Lee Greene and George Armelagos. The Wadi Halfa mesolithic population. (Amherst: University of Massachusetts, 1972)


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l-Barga reveals one of the most important necropoleis of the early Holocene in Africa.

This site was discovered in 2001 during a survey concentrating on the zones bordering the alluvial plain. The name el-Barga is borrowed from a nearby mountain. The site is located on an elevation formed by an outcrop of bedrock (Nubian sandstone) less than 15 km from the Nile, as the crow flies. It includes a settlement area dated to circa 7500 B.C. and cemeteries belonging to two distinct periods.

The habitation is a circular hut slightly less than five metres in diameter, its maximum depth exceeding 50 centimetres. This semi-subterranean structure contained a wealth of artefacts resulting from the site’s occupation (ceramics, grinding tools, flint objects, ostrich eggshell beads, a mother-of-pearl pendant, bone tools, faunal remains, shells). The abundance of artefacts discovered suggests a marked inclination towards a sedentary lifestyle, even though certain activities (fishing and hunting) necessitate seasonal migration.

North of this habitation, about forty burials were dated to the Epipalaeolithic (7700-7000 B.C.) and generally do not contain any furnishings. On the other hand, the Neolithic cemetery (6000-5500 B.C.) located further south comprises about a hundred burials often containing artefacts (adornment, ceramics, flint or bone objects).



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For further information, read the publications by M. Honegger.


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PLoS One. 2008 Aug 14;3(8):e2995.

Lakeside cemeteries in the Sahara: 5000 years of holocene population and environmental change.

Sereno PC et al.

Abstract

BACKGROUND:

Approximately two hundred human burials were discovered on the edge of a paleolake in Niger that provide a uniquely preserved record of human occupation in the Sahara during the Holocene ( approximately 8000 B.C.E. to the present). Called Gobero, this suite of closely spaced sites chronicles the rapid pace of biosocial change in the southern Sahara in response to severe climatic fluctuation.

METHODOLOGY/PRINCIPAL FINDINGS:

Two main occupational phases are identified that correspond with humid intervals in the early and mid-Holocene, based on 78 direct AMS radiocarbon dates on human remains, fauna and artifacts, as well as 9 OSL dates on paleodune sand. The older occupants have craniofacial dimensions that demonstrate similarities with mid-Holocene occupants of the southern Sahara and Late Pleistocene to early Holocene inhabitants of the Maghreb. Their hyperflexed burials compose the earliest cemetery in the Sahara dating to approximately 7500 B.C.E. These early occupants abandon the area under arid conditions and, when humid conditions return approximately 4600 B.C.E., are replaced by a more gracile people with elaborated grave goods including animal bone and ivory ornaments.


CONCLUSIONS/SIGNIFICANCE:

The principal significance of Gobero lies in its extraordinary human, faunal, and archaeological record, from which we conclude the following: The early Holocene occupants at Gobero (7700-6200 B.C.E.) were largely sedentary hunter-fisher-gatherers with lakeside funerary sites that include the earliest recorded cemetery in the Sahara.Principal components analysis of craniometric variables closely allies the early Holocene occupants at Gobero with a skeletally robust, trans-Saharan assemblage of Late Pleistocene to mid-Holocene human populations from the Maghreb and southern Sahara.Gobero was abandoned during a period of severe aridification possibly as long as one millennium (6200-5200 B.C.E). More gracile humans arrived in the mid-Holocene (5200-2500 B.C.E.) employing a diversified subsistence economy based on clams, fish, and savanna vertebrates as well as some cattle husbandry.Population replacement after a harsh arid hiatus is the most likely explanation for the occupational sequence at Gobero.We are just beginning to understand the anatomical and cultural diversity that existed within the Sahara during the Holocene.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2515196/pdf/pone.0002995.pdf
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Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


Northern ARABS ARE COLD ADAPTED, as they came from a cold environment, where they have lived for thousands of years till the very ending of the Holocene, and they are hairy too!!!!


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Zarahan explained to you how long it takes to go from Tropical adaptation to cold adapt adaptations. Which of course needs an intermediate course, as they are still intermediate or cold adapted. Why we have to go over this again and again...with this person, is beyond me?


So, again impostor African American woman. Why couldn't Africans develop certain traits indigenously within the environment they have lived for thousands of years.....When the environment is suited for these traits.

as you said Queen Tiye had Northern A-rab looking hair
-adaptation to the cold?

-not that she didn't also have a lot of "black" in her
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
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Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


Northern ARABS ARE COLD ADAPTED, as they came from a cold environment, where they have lived for thousands of years till the very ending of the Holocene, and they are hairy too!!!!


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terrorist with Queen Tiye hair


Zarahan explained to you how long it takes to go from Tropical adaptation to cold adapt adaptations. Which of course needs an intermediate course, as they are still intermediate or cold adapted. Why we have to go over this again and again...with this person, is beyond me?


So, again impostor African American woman. Why couldn't Africans develop certain traits indigenously within the environment they have lived for thousands of years.....When the environment is suited for these traits.

as you said Queen Tiye had Northern A-rab looking hair
-adaptation to the cold?

-not that she didn't also have a lot of "black" in her

I have NEVER EVER SAID/ WROTE SUCH THING DAMN LIAR!!!!


I wrote these morphological traits are indigenous to the REGION. As the people always have been TROPICAL ADAPTED IN LIMB PORTIONS!!!!


AND I WROTE THAT YEMENI AND OMANI PEOPLE CLUSTER CLOSE WITH PEOPLE FROM THE HORN AND SUDAN, Historically and culturally. They are Southern Arabs, not Northern Arabs, like the man above in that picture. See the difference?


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Egyptians are in their root Hg E* and yes there is admixture, from less to more extend since Egypt was often invaded. For example, "The Copt samples displayed a most interesting Y-profile, enough (as much as that of Gaalien in Sudan) to suggest that they actually represent a living record of the peopling of Egypt. The significant frequency of B-M60 in this group might be a relic of a history of colonization of southern Egypt probably by Nilotics in the early state formation, something that conforms both to recorded history and to Egyptian mythology."--Hassan et al., (2008)


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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Ubaid period (5300 BCE)-.
Umm an-Nar Culture (2600–2000 BCE)
Sabr culture (2000 BCE)
Thamud (3000 BCE to 200 BCE)

Queen Tiye (c. 1398 BC – 1338 BC)


Where is you prove????? lol


You are a Muktaba, who is mesmerized by ancient African history.


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Comparisons of linear body proportions of Old Kingdom and non-Old Kingdom period individuals, and workers and high officials in our sample found no statistically significant differences among them. Zakrzewski (2003) also found little evidence for differences in linear body proportions of Egyptians over a wider temporal range.


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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
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Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


Northern ARABS ARE COLD ADAPTED, as they came from a cold environment, where they have lived for thousands of years till the very ending of the Holocene, and they are hairy too!!!!


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terrorist with Queen Tiye hair


Zarahan explained to you how long it takes to go from Tropical adaptation to cold adapt adaptations. Which of course needs an intermediate course, as they are still intermediate or cold adapted. Why we have to go over this again and again...with this person, is beyond me?


So, again impostor African American woman. Why couldn't Africans develop certain traits indigenously within the environment they have lived for thousands of years.....When the environment is suited for these traits.

as you said Queen Tiye had Northern A-rab looking hair
-adaptation to the cold?

-not that she didn't also have a lot of "black" in her

You are losing it!!!! LOOOOL


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Comparisons of linear body proportions of Old Kingdom and non-Old Kingdom period individuals, and workers and high officials in our sample found no statistically significant differences among them. Zakrzewski (2003) also found little evidence for differences in linear body proportions of Egyptians over a wider temporal range.
Your mindless babbles are MEANINGLESS!!!!!!!


Then a king will come from the South,
Ameny, the justified, my name,
Son of a woman of Ta-Seti, child of Upper Egypt,
He will take the white crown,
he willjoin the Two Mighty Ones (the two crowns)

Asiatics will fall to his sword,
Libyans will fall to his flame,
Rebels to his wrath, traitors to his might,
As the serpent on his brow subdues the rebels for him,
One will build the Walls-of-the-Ruler,
To bar Asiatics from entering Egypt...



By The Metropolitan Museum of Art.


Wadi Kubbaniya (ca. 17,000–15,000 B.C.)




Although no signs of houses were found, diverse and sophisticated stone implements for hunting, fishing, and collecting and processing plants were discovered around hearths.



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In Egypt, the earliest evidence of humans can be recognized only from tools found scattered over an ancient surface, sometimes with hearths nearby. In Wadi Kubbaniya, a dried-up streambed cutting through the Western Desert to the floodplain northwest of Aswan in Upper Egypt, some interesting sites of the kind described above have been recorded. A cluster of Late Paleolithic camps was located in two different topographic zones: on the tops of dunes and the floor of the wadi (streambed) where it enters the valley. Although no signs of houses were found, diverse and sophisticated stone implements for hunting, fishing, and collecting and processing plants were discovered around hearths. Most tools were bladelets made from a local stone called chert that is widely used in tool fabrication. The bones of wild cattle, hartebeest, many types of fish and birds, as well as the occasional hippopotamus have been identified in the occupation layers. Charred remains of plants that the inhabitants consumed, especially tubers, have also been found.

It appears from the zoological and botanical remains at the various sites in this wadi that the two environmental zones were exploited at different times. We know that the dune sites were occupied when the Nile River flooded the wadi because large numbers of fish and migratory bird bones were found at this location. When the water receded, people then moved down onto the silt left behind on the wadi floor and the floodplain, probably following large animals that looked for water there in the dry season. Paleolithic peoples lived at Wadi Kubbaniya for about 2,000 years, exploiting the different environments as the seasons changed. Other ancient camps have been discovered along the Nile from Sudan to the Mediterranean, yielding similar tools and food remains. These sites demonstrate that the early inhabitants of the Nile valley and its nearby deserts had learned how to exploit local environments, developing economic strategies that were maintained in later cultural traditions of pharaonic Egypt.

Diana Craig Patch

Department of Egyptian Art, The Metropolitan Museum of Art

Laura Anne Tedesco

... linear body proportions of Old Kingdom and non-Old Kingdom period individuals, and workers and high officials in our sample found no statistically significant differences among them. Zakrzewski (2003) also found little evidence for differences in linear body proportions of Egyptians over a wider temporal range.


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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
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Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


Northern ARABS ARE COLD ADAPTED, as they came from a cold environment, where they have lived for thousands of years till the very ending of the Holocene, and they are hairy too!!!!


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terrorist with Queen Tiye hair


Zarahan explained to you how long it takes to go from Tropical adaptation to cold adapt adaptations. Which of course needs an intermediate course, as they are still intermediate or cold adapted. Why we have to go over this again and again...with this person, is beyond me?


So, again impostor African American woman. Why couldn't Africans develop certain traits indigenously within the environment they have lived for thousands of years.....When the environment is suited for these traits.

as you said Queen Tiye had Northern A-rab looking hair
-adaptation to the cold?

-not that she didn't also have a lot of "black" in her

The tropical adaptation, alveolar prognathic African with overbite. Is very TYPICAL!!!!!! And indigenous to the REGION!!!!!


Origins of dental crowding and malocclusions: an anthropological perspective.

Rose JC, Roblee RD.

Compend Contin Educ Dent. 2009 Jun;30(5):292-300.

The study of ancient Egyptian skeletons from Amarna, Egypt reveals extensive tooth wear but very little dental crowding, unlike in modern Americans. In the early 20th century, Percy Raymond Begg focused his research on extreme tooth wear coincident with traditional diets to justify teeth removal during orthodontic treatment. Anthropologists studying skeletons that were excavated along the Nile Valley in Egypt and the Sudan have demonstrated reductions in tooth size and changes in the face, including decreased robustness associated with the development of agriculture, but without any increase in the frequency of dental crowding and malocclusion. For thousands of years, facial and dental reduction stayed in step, more or less. These analyses suggest it was not the reduction in tooth wear that increased crowding and malocclusion, but rather the tremendous reduction in the forces of mastication, which produced this extreme tooth wear and the subsequent reduced jaw involvement. Thus, as modern food preparation techniques spread throughout the world during the 19th century, so did dental crowding. This research provides support for the development of orthodontic therapies that increase jaw dimensions rather than the use of tooth removal to relieve crowding.


"Despite the difference, Gebel Ramlah [the Western Desert- Saharan region] is closest to predynastic and early dynastic samples from Abydos, Hierakonpolis, and Badari.."

the Badarians were a "good representative of what the common ancestor to all later predynastic and dynastic Egyptian peoples would be like"

"A comparison of Badari to the Naqada and Hierakonpolis samples .. contradicts the idea of a foreign origin for the Naqada (Petrie, 1939; Baumgartel, 1970)"

Evidence in favor of continuity is also demonstrated by comparison of individual samples. "Naqada and especially Hierakonpolis share close affinities with First-Second Dynasty Abydos.. These findings do not support the concept of a foreign dynastic ''race''"

"Thus, despite increasing foreign influence after the Second Intermediate Period, not only did Egyptian culture remain intact (Lloyd, 2000a), but the people themselves, as represented by the dental samples, appear biologically constant as well."

(Joel D. Irish (2006). Who Were the Ancient Egyptians? Dental Affinities Among Neolithic Through Postdynastic Peoples. Am J Phys Anthropol. 2006 Apr;129(4):529-43.)

Africans have the highest dental diversity
"Previous research by the first author revealed that, relative to other modern peoples, sub-Saharan Africans exhibit the highest frequencies of ancestral (or plesiomorphic) dental traits... The fact that sub-Saharan Africans express these apparently plesiomorphic characters, along with additional information on their affinity to other modern populations, evident intra-population heterogeneity, and a world-wide dental cline emanating from the sub-continent, provides further evidence that is consistent with an African origin model." (Irish JD, Guatelli-Steinberg D.(2003) Ancient teeth and modern human origins: an expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples. Hum Evol. 2003 Aug;45(2):113-44.)


The pattern is always the same. Moving from the South up to the North.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


Northern ARABS ARE COLD ADAPTED, as they came from a cold environment, where they have lived for thousands of years till the very ending of the Holocene, and they are hairy too!!!!


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terrorist with Queen Tiye hair


Zarahan explained to you how long it takes to go from Tropical adaptation to cold adapt adaptations. Which of course needs an intermediate course, as they are still intermediate or cold adapted. Why we have to go over this again and again...with this person, is beyond me?


So, again impostor African American woman. Why couldn't Africans develop certain traits indigenously within the environment they have lived for thousands of years.....When the environment is suited for these traits.

as you said Queen Tiye had Northern A-rab looking hair
-adaptation to the cold?

-not that she didn't also have a lot of "black" in her

King Tutankhamun died from sickle-cell disease, not malaria, say experts. A team from Hamburg's Bernhard Noct Institute for Tropical Medicine (BNI) claim the disease is a far likelier cause of death than the combination of bone disorders and malaria put forward by Egyptian experts earlier this year.


The BNI team argues that theories offered by Egyptian experts, led by antiquities tsar Zahi Hawass, are based on data that can be interpreted otherwise. They say further analysis of the data will confirm or deny their work. Hawass' claim, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association this February, and followed by a swarm of accompanying television shows, claimed King Tut suffered from Kohler's disease, a bone disorder prohibiting blood flow, before succumbing to malaria.


Multiple bone disorders, including one in Tutankhamun's left foot, led to the Kohler's diagnosis, while segments of a malarial parasite were found via DNA testing. Yet the BNI team claims the latter results are incorrect. “Malaria in combination with Köhler's disease causing Tutankhamun's early death seems unlikely to us,” say Prof Christian Meyer and Dr Christian Timmann.


Instead the BNI team feels sickle-cell disease (SCD), a genetic blood disorder, is a more likely reason for the Pharaoh's death aged just 19. The disease occurs in 9 to 22 per cent of people living in the Egyptian oases, and gives a better chance of surviving malaria; the infestation halted by sickled cells.


They say the disease occurs frequently in malarial regions like the River Nile, and that it would account for the bone defects found on his body.


“The genetic predisposition for (SCD) can be found in regions where malaria frequently occurs, including ancient and modern Egypt.” says Meyer. “The disease can only manifest itself when a sickle cell trait is inherited from both parents: it is a so-called 'recessive inheritance'.” A family tree for the Pharaoh suggested by Hawass himself appears to back the BNI team's case.


The relatively old age of Tutankhamun's parents and relatives – up to 50 years – means they could very well have carried sickle-cell traits, and could therefore have been highly resistant to malaria. The high likelihood that King Tut's parents were siblings means he could have inherited the sickle cell trait from both and suffered from SCD.


“Sickle-cell disease is an important differential diagnosis: one that existing DNA material can probably confirm or rule out,” conclude Timmann and Meyer. They suggest that further testing of ancient Egyptian royal mummies should bear their conclusions in mind.


King Tut's young demise has long been a source of speculation. As well as malaria, recent decades have seen scholars argue that he was murdered, and that he died from infection caused by a broken leg.


http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/king-tut-died-from-sicklecell-disease-not-malaria-2010531.html
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
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Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


Northern ARABS ARE COLD ADAPTED, as they came from a cold environment, where they have lived for thousands of years till the very ending of the Holocene, and they are hairy too!!!!


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terrorist with Queen Tiye hair


Zarahan explained to you how long it takes to go from Tropical adaptation to cold adapt adaptations. Which of course needs an intermediate course, as they are still intermediate or cold adapted. Why we have to go over this again and again...with this person, is beyond me?


So, again impostor African American woman. Why couldn't Africans develop certain traits indigenously within the environment they have lived for thousands of years.....When the environment is suited for these traits.

as you said Queen Tiye had Northern A-rab looking hair
-adaptation to the cold?

-not that she didn't also have a lot of "black" in her

“The oldest evidence indicates the presence of Africans in the Red Sea coastal plain”


“Old South Arabian inscriptions and graffiti are in scripts of a South Semitic type, of which Ethiopic is the only present-day”

1). Arabian peoples have been held to be related to a variety of groups, with homelands in almost all directions outside Arabia: the view that sought to visualize all Arabians as a single race has never been valid.

The oldest evidence indicates the presence of Africans in the Red Sea coastal plain, Iranians in the southeastern tip of the peninsula, and peoples of Aramaean stock in the north. The racial affinities of the ancient Yemeni peoples remain unsolved; the marked similarity of their culture to the Semitic cultures that arose in the Fertile Crescent to the north of the peninsula can be attributed to cultural spread rather than to immigration.

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a. In the north and centre the dominant linguistic form is Old North Arabian (subclassified into Lihyanic, Thamudic, and Safaitic); despite close connections between this group and Arabic, the latter cannot be regarded as lineally descended from it.

b. The Yemenite inscriptions are in Old South Arabian (subclassified into Minaean, Sabaean, Qatabanian, and Hadhramautic), which is a wholly independent group within the Semitic family of languages.(The Old North Arabian and Old South Arabian inscriptions and graffiti are in scripts of a South Semitic type, of which Ethiopic is the only present-day survivor; modern Arabic script is of a North Semitic type.)

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/31568/history-of-Arabia/45964/Pre-Islamic-Arabia-to-the-7th-Century-ad
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


Northern ARABS ARE COLD ADAPTED, as they came from a cold environment, where they have lived for thousands of years till the very ending of the Holocene, and they are hairy too!!!!


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terrorist with Queen Tiye hair


Zarahan explained to you how long it takes to go from Tropical adaptation to cold adapt adaptations. Which of course needs an intermediate course, as they are still intermediate or cold adapted. Why we have to go over this again and again...with this person, is beyond me?


So, again impostor African American woman. Why couldn't Africans develop certain traits indigenously within the environment they have lived for thousands of years.....When the environment is suited for these traits.

as you said Queen Tiye had Northern A-rab looking hair
-adaptation to the cold?

-not that she didn't also have a lot of "black" in her

This large pre-Islamic inscription is depicted on a rock near a well in southern Arabia and consists of ten lines. It is popularly known as "the inscription of Abraha." The inscription is still in its original location; a replica is on display in the museum


نقش سبئي

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Transliteration
b kh ya l / r h m n n / w m s ya h ha /
m l k n / a b r ha / z ya b m n / m l k / s b a / w z r ya d n / w h dh r m d t

Transcription
B'khail / ar-rahman / wmaseeha /
malikan / Abraha / Zaybm / malik /
sab'a / w zarydan / w hadarmaut

Translation
With the power (help) of god, and the Jesus (=Christian) King Abraha Zeebman (King's title), the King of Saba'a, Zuridan and Hadrmaut.

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w ya m n t / w r a a'in r b ha m r / ta w d m /
w t ha m t / s ta r w / z n / s ta r n / k gh z ya w

w yement / wa r'a rab hamw / Twadam / w thamat / satro / zn / satran / K'ghazow

and Yemen and the tribes (on)
the mountains and the coast wrote these lines on his battle

(iii)
m a'in d m / gh z w t n / r b a'in t n /
b w r kh n / z th b t n / k f s d w / k l / b n ya a'in m r m

Ma'ndam / Ghazwatn / rab'atan / b'warkhan / Zthbatan /Kafa saadu / kl/ bani amrm

against the tribe of Ma'ad ( in ) the battle of al-Rabiya in the
month of "Dhu al Thabithan" (April) and fight (against) all the (tribes) of Bani A'amir.

(iv)
w z k ya / m l k n / a b j b r / b a'in m /
k d t / w a'in l / w b sh r m / b n h sa n m / b a'in / m

Wazaki/ malikn/ abjabar / b ainam/ kadat/ wain/ w basharm / bin hasahanm/ bainm

and appointed the King (the leader) "Abi Jabar" with (tribe)
Kinda and (Qahtani tribe) Al (and the leader) "Bishar bin Hasan" with

(v)
s a'in d m / w m r d m / w h dh r w /
q d m ya / j ya sh n / a'in l ya b n ya a'in m r m /
k d t / w a'in l / b w d / z m r kh / w m r d m / w s d m / b w d.

San dam/ wa mardam / wa hadaru/ qadami / jayshan/
alia bani yamram/ kadat/ wail/ b wad /samrakh / wa mardam/ wa sadam/ b wad..

(Tribe) Sa'ad ( and the tribe) Murad and ( the tribe)
Hadarmaut (stand) in front of the army against Bani Amir of Kinda.
and (the tribe) Al in wadi "zu markh" and Murad and Sa'ad in wadi

(vi)
b m n ha j / t r b n / w z b h w / w a s r w /
w gh n m w / z a'in s m / w m kh dh / m l k n / b h l b n / w d n w.

B manhaj / tarban/ w zabahow / wa sarw /
w ghanamw / zaisam / wa makhdah/ malakin/ b halban/ wa danw

Manha on the way to Turban and killed and captured
and took the booty in large quantities and the
King and fought at Halban and reached

(vii)
k za l / m a'in d m / w r ha n w / w b a'in d n ha w /
w s a'in ha m w / a'in m r m / b n / m z r n..

Ka zalam/ maidam / wrahanw / wa badanahaw /
nwa sa'aham mw / amram / bin/ mazran.

Ma'ad and took booty and prisoners, and after that, conquered
(from the tribe of Ma'ad) Omro bin al-Munzir …

(viii)
w r ha n m w / b n ha w / w s t kh l fa ha w /
a'in l ya / m a'in d m / w q f l w / b n / h l

Wa rahanamw / bin haw / wa sata khalafw / ala/ ma'dam/ wa qafalw/ bin/ hal.

(and according to the agreement between Abrha and the tribe of Ma'ad)
(Abrhas) appointed the son (of Omro) as the ruler and returned (Abraha) from Hal.

(ix)
(b) n / (b) kh ya l / r h m n n / w r kh ha w /
z a'in l n / z l th n ya / w s th ya / w s

( bi)n / (b) akhayal / rahman / wa rakhaw / zalan / salthany / w sathya/ ws

Ban (halban) with the power of the god in the month of Zu A'allan in the year sixty-two

(x)
th / m a t m

Tha / matam

and six hundred

النص
ب خ ى ل / ر ح م ن ن / و م س ى ح هـ / م ل ك ن / أ ب ر هـ / ز ى ب م ن / م ل ك / س ب أ / و ذ ر ي د ن / و ح ض ر م و ت

القراءة
بقوة الرحمن ومسيحة الملك أبرهة زيبمان ملك سبأ وذو ريدان وحضرموت

ـ 2 ـ
و ي م ن ت / و ر أ ع ر ب هـ م و / ط و د م / و ت هـ م ت / س ط ر و / ذ ن / س ط ر ن / ك غ ز ى و

.ويمنات وقبائلهم (في) الجبال والسواحل ، سطر هذا النقش عندما غزا

ـ 3 ـ
م ع د م / غ ز و ت ن / ر ب ع ت ن / ب و ر خ ن / ذ ث ب ت ن / ك ف س د و / ك ل / ب ن ى ع م رم/

(قبيلة) معد (في) غزوة الربيع في شهر "ذو الثابة" (ابريل) عندما ثاروا كل (قبائل) بنى عامر

ـ 4 ـ
و ذ ك ى / م ل ك ن / أ ب ج ب ر / ب ع م / ك د ت / و ع ل / و ب ش ر م / ب ن ح ص ن م / ب ع م

وعين الملك (القائد) "أبي جبر" مع (قبيلة) على (والقائد) "بشر بن حصن" مع

ـ 5 ـ
س ع د م / و م ر د م / و ح ض ر و / ق د م ى / ج ي ش ن / ع ل ي / ب ن ي ع م ر م / ك د ت / و ع ل / ب و د / ذ م ر خ / و م ر د م / و س ع د م / ب و د

قبيلة) سعد (وقبيلة) مراد وحضروا أمام الجيش ـ ضد بنى عامر (وجهت) كندة وعلى في) وادي "ذو مرخ" ومراد وسعد في وادي

ـ 6 ـ
ب م ن هـ ج / ت ر ب ن / و ذ ب ح و / و أ س ر و / و غ ن م و / ذ ع س م / و م خ ض / م ل ك ن / ب ح ل ب ن / و د ن و

على طريق تربن وذبحوا وأسروا وغنموا بوفرة وحارب الملك في حلبن واقترب

ـ 7 ـ
ك ظ ل / م ع د م / و ر هـ ن و / و ب ع د ن هـ و / و س ع هـ م و / ع م ر م / ب ن / م ذ ر ن

كظل معد (وأخذ) اسرى، وبعد ذلك فوضوا (قبيلة معد) عمروا بن المنذر (في

ـ 8 ـ
و ر هـ ن هـ م و / ب ن هـ و / و س ت خ ل ف هـ و / ع ل ى / م ع د م / و ق ف ل و / ب ن / ح ل

الصلح) فضمنهم ابنه (عروا) (عن أبرهة) فعينه حاكماً على) معد ورجع (أبرهة) من حلـ

ـ 9 ـ
(ب) ن / ( ب ) خ ى ل / ر ح م ن ن / و ر خ هـ و / ذ ع ل ن / ذ ل ث ن ى / و س ث ى / و س

بن (حلبان) بقوة الرحمن في شهر ذو علان في السنة الثانية والستين وسـ

ـ 10 ـ
ث / م أ ت م

ستمائة


مسند جنوبي

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Transliteration
ha z a'in
n b t a l

Transcription/Translation
Haza'a nabt al

(name of the deceased)



النص

ح ذ ع
ن ب ت أ ل

القراءة
حذع نبت أل


مسند جنوبي


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Transliteration
n ya a'in th t / k ya l / w m q m / sh ya m ha m w
gh wa n ha m w / b n / a a'in r b n / w b z t
t a t b / r ya m m / s a'in d / w ha w f ya n
r ya m m / r dh w / w h sd ya / m r a ha m

Transcription
Nai Asath/ Khail/ w maqam/ shai mahamo/
Ghawnham/bin/ A'araban/ w bazat/
Ta'atab/remom/sad/w hawfain
Remom/ Rado/ wa hasiya/ mraham

Translation
With the power of Naiqthat and his high position
Ghawnaham from the Arabian tribe of
Dhat Ta'atab - Raimam Sa'ad
Fulfilled and pleased with the will of their Lord and his presence.

حجر عليه نقش مسند جنوبي مفقود جزء منه والجزء الواضح يتكون من اربعة أسطر كتبت بطريقة النقر وبخط غائر من اليمين إلى اليسار

النص
1- ن ي ع ث ت ، خ ي ل ، و م ق م ، ش ي م هـ م و ،
2- غ و ن هـ م و ، ب ن ، أ ع غ ب ن ، و ب ذ ت
3- ت أ ت ب ، ر ي م م ، س ع د ، و هـ و ف ي ن
4- ر ي م م ، ر ض و ، و ح ص ي ، م ر أ هـ م

القراءة
نيعست خيل ومقام شيمهمو
ونهمو بن (من) أعربن (بمعنى قبيلة) وبذت
(وتأتتب ريمم سعد وهوفين (بمعنى وأوفى
(ريمم بوصية المعبود رضو على مرآ هم (_على سمعهم
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

I would say that hair such as the photo of the old woman above is not common in Africans. You may dig up five more pictures but I don't think that proves such hair is "common" in Africans.
For example some Europeans/Americans have red hair but it is not common on average. Who is this woman anyway? Where is she from?...

And as Troll Patrol and others have proven what YOU say and think doesn't amount to sh*t. Especially since you know NOTHING about Africans and have never seen Africans outside the stereotypical West-Central "true negroid" look (even though you yourself once claimed to be African). [Embarrassed]

I thought it was explained to you before in several other threads that phalomelanin the pigment in hair responsible for reddish or brownish color is most visible when eumelanin (the pigment responsible for black color) is depleted or lost. This sometimes occurs as a natural consequence of aging. Usually when a person is old and loses hair pigment, both eumelanin and phaelomelanin are lost but sometimes eumelanin is lost first. And in the case of some populations phaelomelanin and lack of eumelanin occurs in youth as a paedomorphic trait among children as seen in Australian aborigines or in some Africans.

Again, such biological occurances happen among black people both in Africa as well as outside of the continent. And there is also the idiotic matter of assuming the mummy's hair was the exact same color and texture as when she was alive!

quote:
Below some Omani and Yemeni women for comparison. Some might be described as "afro-arab" .
Also on the Queen Tiye statuette above her lips are relatively large and the overall impression because of this is that she's pure African. However her nose gets very thin in the middle, even Mike111 noticed this and thought it meant that the head was later altered by someone much later. It seems a bit atypical for pure Africans. Why this is I don't know but there is no evidence that the nose was altered later.

The mother of Tiye, Thuya:
 - here we see that similar thinness in the dorsum of the nose.
At the same time a similar wide mouth opening and prognathism.

here is a girl from Oman
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Omani woman
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Yemeni woman
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It is easy to notice that some people who do have Arab and and African mixture have facial features that look similar to pure Africans and the Arabs have been trading and mixing with East and North Africans for hundreds of years. Because of the crossover of features and skin tone you can't easily tell by looking who is pure African and who might live in Africa but might be mixed Arab/African. -such as in the case of the elderly woman above
Is it possible a pure African can have straight hair? I'm not sure. I would say it is unproven at this time and I haven't seen a study on it. It seems unlikey to me because we would have heard about specific African tribes that have straight hair.
Further straight hair seems to be an adaptation to cold and I don't mean nightime in the desert becasue the Khoisans as an example don't have anything approaching straight hair

However Djehuti believes otherwise and says about the Queen Tiye mummy is choice a) below.

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

LMAO [Big Grin]
I'll I have to give your dumbass some credit that of all the foreign non-African populations you use for comparison, at least you used one that actually has close relations to Africans, in this case Arabians and not Indians!

You speak as if Arabians and Africans are two entirely different entitites, but notice that Arabia is right next to Africa.

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Considering Arabia's, especially southern Arabia's close proximity to Africa, do you really think the indigenous populations would be so different or distinct from those right next door? As Troll Patrol pointed out, you do realize that many Arabs especially Yemenis and Omanis have African ancestry right?! Have you not been exposed to all the archaeological and bio-anthropological evidence that Dana has cited about what the early Arabians looked like?

And what does any of this have to do with an Egyptian woman? As TP pointed out her features are not unusual for Egyptians or any northeast Africans for that matter. As usual you are grasping in the air for anything aren't you?
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
Arabia is close to Africa yet straight forms of hair are much more common than in Africa. This could be due to people from the North mixing into these populations.

I'm going to add
e) she's part black African part Eurasian with straight hair

__________________________________

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

e) she's part black African part Eurasian and the Eurasian part accounts for the straight hair

_____________________________________________

Her lips look large here and she has prognathic jaw so I rule out b) she wasn't a black woman (meaning not black at all)
Ancient Egyptians of all dynasties vary from big lipped to thin lipped. From prognathic to not at all prognathic.

I rule out a) she was a black woman with straight hair
when I say "black woman" here I mean pure African.
I have yet to see in a study that shows a pure African with straight hair.

I rule out d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair. I don't think she had a huge afro puffed out because you don't see that in paintings and you can't wear wigs over that too well

__________________________


I think it was c) or e)

QUEEN TIYE:

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

e) she's part black African part Eurasian and the Eurasian part accounts for the straight hair


I know now I'm a white supremacist for thinking this
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Indeed nowhere in the DNATribes STR data does it say anything about Arabs, Levantines, or any Asiatic ancestry for that matter for the 18th dynasty only AFRICAN affinities.

quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

Arabia is close to Africa yet straight forms of hair are much more common than in Africa. This could be due to people from the North mixing into these populations.

Yet the wavy (not straight) hair texture among Egyptians is not uncommon among east Africans but is most common in North Africa particularly around the Saharan region where the Egyptians' ancestors originated. Therefore your point about a "northern" a.k.a. Eurasian influence is null. [Embarrassed]

quote:
I'm going to add...
More of your b.s. rhetoric.

quote:
..I know now I'm a white supremacist for thinking this.
Of course you are Mathilda disciple. We all have known this about you since your lyinass first began posting in this forum. [Smile]
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Indeed nowhere in the DNATribes STR data does it say anything about Arabs, Levantines, or any Asiatic ancestry for that matter for the 18th dynasty only AFRICAN affinities.

DNATribes is a private for profit company. As alTakruri pointed out their analysis they made has yet to be verified by scientists or studies in academic journals.


1) South African
2) Central African
3) West African

^^North African ancestry too minimal for top 3 of the Amarna mummies? that has got to be flawed. Run your own STRs

quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

Arabia is close to Africa yet straight forms of hair are much more common than in Africa. This could be due to people from the North mixing into these populations.

Yet the wavy (not straight) hair texture among Egyptians is not uncommon among east Africans but is most common in North Africa particularly around the Saharan region where the Egyptians' ancestors originated. Therefore your point about a "northern" a.k.a. Eurasian influence is null. [Embarrassed]


what sort of logic is this?
Straight hair (this includes the anthropological term wavy straight-i.e. not afro kinky hair) yes,
is most common in North Africa particularly around the Saharan region where the Egyptians' ancestors originated.

why?

"northern" a.k.a. Eurasian influence"

this is bourne out by DNA analysis or North Africans and you know it
 
Posted by Neferefre (Member # 13793) on :
 
^ Can you please change your avatar. You are not black nor African even in the slightest, and don't have a clue about OUR hair, because if you did, you wouldn't have made this stupid post...
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Neferefre:
^ Can you please change your avatar. You are not black nor African even in the slightest, and don't have a clue about OUR hair, because if you did, you wouldn't have made this stupid post...

When did you acquire psychic powers?
 
Posted by Neferefre (Member # 13793) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Neferefre:
^ Can you please change your avatar. You are not black nor African even in the slightest, and don't have a clue about OUR hair, because if you did, you wouldn't have made this stupid post...

When did you acquire psychic powers?
No need for psychic powers, you prove your UN-BLACKNESS on a daily basis. WE know our own IMPOSTER!
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ "Black face" has a history as long as racism itself in the West and particularly in America. Black face was used as a form of entertainment to mock and denigrate blacks. Unfortunately these days, the practice has evolved into cyber or virtual black-face where white racist idiots don black avatars and/or pretend to be black persons in the net either to mock blacks once more OR to infiltrate and the black communities in the web and/or sabotage their social media. Of course black people or people in general regardless of color are NOT stupid enough to be fooled by the lyinass tactics.
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

DNATribes is a private for profit company. As alTakruri pointed out their analysis they made has yet to be verified by scientists or studies in academic journals.


1) South African
2) Central African
3) West African

^^North African ancestry too minimal for top 3 of the Amarna mummies? that has got to be flawed. Run your own STRs.

Of course you leave out the rest of what Takruri and Explorer have stated, that STRs are just part of the genetic picture. North Africa in the past has never been a separate or segregated entity from the rest of so-called 'Sub-Sahara' anyway, which actually helps explain the STR affinities. But, the DNATribes regional categories are flawed anyway for the reasons pointed out before. If one were to use other genetic components which are more accurate such as SNPs assessing lineage, the result are the same.

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^ Even 'Arab' Egyptians of the Delta show a significant percentage of African lineages which are an older substratum with the Eurasian lineages being much more recent. We've even cited studies showing the converse-- that rural non-Arab Egyptians especially in the south have predominantly African lineages with very little Eurasian lineages. This all confirms what history, archaeology, and we ES veterans have been saying all along-- that ancient Egyptians were AFRICANS while Modern Egyptians are Afro-Eurasian mixed due to recent invasions and immigrations.

quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

what sort of logic is this?
Straight hair (this includes the anthropological term wavy straight-i.e. not afro kinky hair) yes,
is most common in North Africa particularly around the Saharan region where the Egyptians' ancestors originated.

why?

"northern" a.k.a. Eurasian influence"

this is bourne out by DNA analysis or North Africans and you know it

No dumbass!! As was explained to you before by Swenet and others in a couple of other threads, most of the Eurasian influence in North Africa occurs in the coastal areas and the Egyptian Delta. What I am referring to are remote populations living in the central areas of the desert itself who all predominantly display wavy hair yet have little to NO Eurasian genetic influence stupid! There are even fair-skinned 'Arab' Egyptians in the Delta who have kinky afro-type hair as Ausar has shown before, while there are Africans with almost jet-black skin yet have wavy hair so how the hell can you still attribute wavy hair to Eurasians only?

Since your lyinass first showed up in this forum, we have showed you genetic evidence that Africans possess the greatest genetic diversity on the planet on account of being the oldest human populations. With such tremendous genetic diversity, why can't your idiotass accept the fact that wavy hair can and DOES occur naturally among Africans without it being a foreign genetic trait??!

We know the reason why is because you are an anti-African white supremacist as you earlier admitted. [Smile]
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
now show the SNPs for NAs
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ This was done before dumb-b|tch! The results are the same as Egypt-- All North Africans display significant African lineages, but those in the coastal areas also show Eurasian admixture while those away from the coasts further in the desert show minimal to no Eurasian lineages.

I find it annoying that you keep demanding evidence which we've shown you countless times before yet you offer NOTHING to back up your claims which were debunked countless times by the very evidence we show. [Embarrassed]

I'm through with you.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:

I find it annoying that you keep demanding evidence which we've shown you countless times before yet you offer NOTHING to back up your claims which were debunked countless times by the very evidence we show. [Embarrassed]

I'm through with you.

there is something to back the claims, this:

quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:

in the coastal areas also show Eurasian admixture

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
now show the SNPs for NAs


 
Posted by Ausar Amen8 (Member # 20085) on :
 
you asked a question Lioness and I posted a study on the hair of the mummies, you chose to ignre it in favour of arguing, why dont you try to refute it?

http://stewartsynopsis.com/hair.htm
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Arabia is close to Africa yet straight forms of hair are much more common than in Africa. This could be due to people from the North mixing into these populations.

I'm going to add
e) she's part black African part Eurasian with straight hair

__________________________________

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

e) she's part black African part Eurasian and the Eurasian part accounts for the straight hair

_____________________________________________

Her lips look large here and she has prognathic jaw so I rule out b) she wasn't a black woman (meaning not black at all)
Ancient Egyptians of all dynasties vary from big lipped to thin lipped. From prognathic to not at all prognathic.

I rule out a) she was a black woman with straight hair
when I say "black woman" here I mean pure African.
I have yet to see in a study that shows a pure African with straight hair.

I rule out d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair. I don't think she had a huge afro puffed out because you don't see that in paintings and you can't wear wigs over that too well

__________________________


I think it was c) or e)

QUEEN TIYE:

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

e) she's part black African part Eurasian and the Eurasian part accounts for the straight hair


I know now I'm a white supremacist for thinking this

Two questions here.


-Why couldn't Africans have develop this type of hair trait indigenously, in this particular region of Africa. Give me a good explanation.


-Does everybody on planet earth with straight wavy hair has influences from Eurasia aka Arab straight wavy hair?


I like to see anthropological evidence.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


-Why couldn't Africans have develop this type of hair trait indigenously, in this particular region of Africa. Give me a good explanation.



It's possible but not proven yet.
Its seems less likely to me becasue that type of hair seems to be an adaptation to cold that goes beyond nightime tempertures in the desert. The San we notice do not even have hair that is halfway straight yet they live in the desert.
The idea that straight hair developed because of night time termperatures in the desert doesn't seem likely to me.

As per Queen Tiye as I said I think it is possible she had afro kinky hair but treated with chemicals.
However the thick waviness of the hair on the mummy does not quite resemble the hair of black women who use relaxer or combouts. Maybe mummification chemicals on top of that would do that.
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^^^this woman's facial structure reminds me of Queen Tiye.
We can see she has some form of straight hair. I suspect she's part African and her hair type is due to her also being part non-African
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


-Why couldn't Africans have develop this type of hair trait indigenously, in this particular region of Africa. Give me a good explanation.



It's possible but not proven yet.
Its seems less likely to me becasue that type of hair seems to be an adaptation to cold that goes beyond nightime tempertures in the desert. The San we notice do not even have hair that is halfway straight yet they live in the desert.
The idea that straight hair developed because of night time termperatures in the desert doesn't seem likely to me.

As per Queen Tiye as I said I think it is possible she had afro kinky hair but treated with chemicals.
However the thick waviness of the hair on the mummy does not quite resemble the hair of black women who use relaxer or combouts. Maybe mummification chemicals on top of that would do that.
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^^^this woman's facial structure reminds me of Queen Tiye.
We can see she has some form of straight hair. I suspect she's part African and her hair type is due to her also being part non-African

First of all, the San live in another environment.


Second, the woman is African, from North Sudan! As I said her traits aren't exceptional in that region. Which was backup. And will be continued. All that other stuff you wrote about her is biased, suggestive, stupid and baseless babble!


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As I mentioned before, you bigots will use two extremes and compare those to prove a point. But what about the intermediate types?lol


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Third, the climate of the Sahara and Sahel is suited for traits like thin hair etc..the Sahel, Sahara has cold climates as well, especially compared to Winter and Summer temperatures. Between Night and Day temperatures there is MAJOR differences. This is particularly true for the region of North Sudan and South Egypt. Meaning the condition are perfectly suited for morphological facial change.


As I told you before, you haven't been to any of these places, so your opinion is null and void. And above all, laughable as it is stupid. I speak from personal experience, you go by images off the intern.lol


As not all deserts are alike. And all of the desert is alike. The San are people who live in a Steppe terrain, not the actual
dessert.


It's called a desert, but where they reside it's actually more so a Steppe region. It's a completely different terrain and region.

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You may adress the second question I've propossed as well.


-Does everybody on planet earth with straight wavy hair has influences from Eurasia aka Arab straight wavy hair?


I like to see anthropological evidence.


Variation in ancient Egyptian stature and body proportions


Sonia R. Zakrzewski*


American Journal of Physical Anthropology
Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003


Stature and the pattern of body proportions were investigated in a series of six time-successive Egyptian populations in order to investigate the biological effects on human growth of the development and intensification of agriculture, and the formation of state-level social organization. Univariate analyses of variance were performed to assess differences between the sexes and among various time periods. Significant differences were found both in stature and in raw long bone length measurements between the early semipastoral population and the later intensive agricultural population. The size differences were greater in males than in females. This disparity is suggested to be due to greater male response to poor nutrition in the earlier populations, and with the increasing development of social hierarchy, males were being provisioned preferentially over females. Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2003.


Population continuity or population change: Formation of the ancient Egyptian state

Sonia R. Zakrzewski*


American Journal of Physical Anthropology
Volume 132, Issue 4, pages 501–509, April 2007

The origins of the ancient Egyptian state and its formation have received much attention through analysis of mortuary contexts, skeletal material, and trade. Genetic diversity was analyzed by studying craniometric variation within a series of six time-successive Egyptian populations in order to investigate the evidence for migration over the period of the development of social hierarchy and the Egyptian state. Craniometric variation, based upon 16 measurements, was assessed through principal components analysis, discriminant function analysis, and Mahalanobis D2 matrix computation. Spatial and temporal relationships were assessed by Mantel and Partial Mantel tests. The results indicate overall population continuity over the Predynastic and early Dynastic, and high levels of genetic heterogeneity, thereby suggesting that state formation occurred as a mainly indigenous process. Nevertheless, significant differences were found in morphology between both geographically-pooled and cemetery-specific temporal groups, indicating that some migration occurred along the Egyptian Nile Valley over the periods studied. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2007.


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Comparisons of linear body proportions of Old Kingdom and non-Old Kingdom period individuals, and workers and high officials in our sample found no statistically significant differences among them. Zakrzewski (2003) also found little evidence for differences in linear body proportions of Egyptians over a wider temporal range.
 
Posted by Goredema (Member # 15729) on :
 
Lioness said: "I'm going to add
e) she's part black African part Eurasian with straight hair

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a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

e) she's part black African part Eurasian and the Eurasian part accounts for the straight hair"

Goredema says: It is odd that you divide "black woman" from "part black part eurasian". For an alleged African-American that is odd because as a population African-Americans are racially mixed. They have an African base but contributions from Native American and European. As a result most African-Americans don't distinguish between "mixed" and "unmixed".
I also notice you did not respond to the post of the article Hanging In The Hair at Stewart Synopsis. Why not when it specifically talks about why hair on Egyptian mummies looks Caucasian?

I speak to you without abusive language, or ill-feeling for that matter.

1)You are the only one here who has an actual picture of a living human, as opposed to an avatar. That in itself draws suspicion given that people here want their identities hidden. If you were not worried about showing your face you would not be worried about posting under your real name. Which raises the question of the real purpose of your picture if not to reveal your identity.

2)The fact that your Black picture is at odds with the majority of your positions on racially divisive issues furthers the suspicion that you are not as you present yourself.

3)Interesting that you should refer to the emotions of some of your detractors. Your posts strike me as being without emotion, except occassionally humour. Lack of emotion can indicate objectivity in SOME instances but it can also indicate a complete emotional disconnection from the subject under discussion and the people you are discussing it with. The latter rather reminds me of the way White and Black people interact in the workplace. One of the few places where they interact. That is what first flagged my interest.

4)Then there's what you ignore and what you pay attention to. You'll happily ignore a White supremacists insults but will draw attention to Black people who shout out insults to Whites. You also pick at a number of Black issues in a way which shows you've put some thought into it. It initially reminded me of the reactions of many White people when chairing racially divisive meetings. They come down on Black people who err but often ignore White people who do the same or worse. There's also the article on Egyptian hair you ignored and your similar behaviour during the discussion of the Zimbabwean land issue.

I suppose there are many Black people, myself included, who have said things that might make someone think they are White but the overwhelming balance of everything they say almost always makes it clear who they really are.

By the way that's a pretty picture you have, just a pity it's not you.
 
Posted by Goredema (Member # 15729) on :
 
Please give us an actual link to the DNA results so we can assess for ourselves.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
LOL The lyinass worm is spinning around in utter despair as well as desperation
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinassb|tch:

there is something to back the claims, this:

quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:

in the coastal areas also show Eurasian admixture


Finish the rest of my sentence b|tch!
quote:
Djehuti wrote:

..All North Africans display significant African lineages, but those in the coastal areas also show Eurasian admixture **while those away from the coasts further in the desert show minimal to no Eurasian lineages.**

You obviously missed (on purpose) my point about how populations in remote areas of the Sahara far away from the foreign held coastal areas all have loose wavy hair, yet they show NO Eurasian genetic influence whatsoever! Of course peoples of the coastal areas of North Africa are mixed. The littoral areas of Africa were historical sites of foreign invasions and immigrations. The Arab conquest and before them, Roman, Greek, Phoenician, settlements. We even showed you threads about how Moors (who were black) began a slave trade in mostly women from Europe as well as settlement by European Vandals etc. But what the F*CK does any of this have to do with peoples in the hinterland areas of North Africa in the deep Sahara and even further south who have loose wavy hair??
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

now show the SNPs for NAs

Again, how about you show data proving loose hair in Africans is due to Eurasians?? You made the proposition so YOU prove it!
 
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
 
^^lol.. Indeed.. We'll wait....
**crickets chirping***

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinassfool:

quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


-Why couldn't Africans have develop this type of hair trait indigenously, in this particular region of Africa. Give me a good explanation.

It's possible but not proven yet.
Its seems less likely to me because that type of hair seems to be an adaptation to cold that goes beyond nightime tempertures in the desert. The San we notice do not even have hair that is halfway straight yet they live in the desert.
The idea that straight hair developed because of night time termperatures in the desert doesn't seem likely to me.

Ignorant twit! It's not only possible but it HAS been proven to you multiple times already, most recently on these threads!:

Clues from ancient Nubian and Egyptian hair

Is Kmtian wavy and straight hair the only trait not shared with Ancient Nubians?

Can tropical Africans have straighter hair?

why Australian Aborigenes have straight hair

This is why I personally am at my wits end with your dumbass! Every time you get refuted about a certain topic, in this case hair texture, you rehash it again in later threads such as this! You have done the same with regards to tropical skeletal build. You are just a dumb troll whose M.O. is to repeat issues which have already been addressed.

Oh, and your reference to African peoples like the San is hilarious as it also exposes your ignorance to African peoples even though you once claimed to be African. I myself am not African but I know enough that the San people have the most extreme opposite of loose hair, that is their hair is the tightest coiled and is even tighter than the stereotypical 'kinky' hair of Africans. San live in a desert environment yes, but their environment is mainly subtropical and even 'Mediterranean' in climate. Indigenous Saharans on the other hand by and large live in the tropical zones yet they have loose wavy hair. Even most littoral North Africans who live in the coasts and have foreign mixed ancestry have hair that is curly. So your dumb ass can try and do the bio-anthropological math if you can. All I'll say is that the answers were given to you in the threads I cited above. [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the mini-sals-assin:

As per Queen Tiye as I said I think it is possible she had afro kinky hair but treated with chemicals.
However the thick waviness of the hair on the mummy does not quite resemble the hair of black women who use relaxer or combouts. Maybe mummification chemicals on top of that would do that.

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^^^this woman's facial structure reminds me of Queen Tiye.
We can see she has some form of straight hair. I suspect she's part African and her hair type is due to her also being part non-African

Of course you would picture Tiye in YOUR mind as a light-skinned woman of mixed ancestry. Yet reality is quite a different story from fantasy, or in the case of some people, even fantasy is quite a different story from the fantasy in their minds.

We have an actual colored portrait of her.

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She looks more similar to this Beja woman especially in complexion.

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The wooden bust seems to be a realistic portrayal of Tiye in her old age. Other portraits seem to follow the traditional idealized youthful look with fuller cheeks.

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The shape of her face as well as other characteristics remind me of this Somali woman.

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

The mother of Tiye, Thuya:
 - here we see that similar thinness in the dorsum of the nose.
At the same time a similar wide mouth opening and prognathism.

here is a girl from Oman
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Omani woman
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Yemeni woman
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Thuya looks nothing like the small Omani girl (complexion not withstanding). The other Omani women yeah, especially the elderly one though the noses are slightly wider.

Troll Patrol makes an even better comparison and with a woman actually from African soil.

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Another modern African boy with the same features and an actual rural Egyptian.

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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
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Posted by Sahel (Siptah) (Member # 17601) on :
 
lol @ where this thread has headed.

if you all honestly think queen tiy and the ancient blacks who populated the nile were predominantly straight haired you all really need to take a dose of something and wake up to reality. frizzy / wooly is the predominant natural hair type used to described these peoples hair type in antiquity. its not a surprise that this hair type is even predominantly shown in the artifacts.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Nobody is saying that loose wavy hair was predominant in ancient Egypt, only that it existed as it still exists today among black locals in rural areas. The point is that such loose hair is NOT a foreign trait but is very much indigenous to Africa. You are probably right that frizzy or kinky hair was predominant in ancient Egypt not only due to the descriptions provided by foreigners like Israelites, Greeks, and Romans, but that this is the most common type of hair displayed by non-Arab ethnic Egyptians and even by some 'Arab' Egyptians of indigenous ancestry. Ausar has posted pictures of urban Cairene 'Arab' youth sporting natural afros. This is what makes the claims of the Lyinass even more senseless. If loose hair is non-African then why do many light-skinned peoples in the Egyptian Delta and other coastal areas of North Africa who have foreign ancestry have frizzy instead of loose hair?! Yet the dumb twit wants us to believe that rural North Africans further south in the Nile or in remote areas of the Sahara who are dark-skinned have their loose hair because of foreign ancestry!

By the way, loose African hair is different from the loose hair typical of Eurasians like Europeans and Western Asians in that the African variety is thicker and rougher in texture and not thin and stringy.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Vansertimavindicated:

You can tell that every last person that has responded to this thread is salsassin in his fake names. EVERY last person!...

I take it this includes yourself? LOL Are you Egmond Codpiece or one of his 'friends'? The point is while Salsassin may be an annoying troll, he is NOT some psychopath who makes up multiple user names to argue against each other! LOL If Salsassin is your enemy, the so be it, but you yourself seem to be suffering from psychotic paranoia.

By the way, how many times are you going to repeat yourself on the DNATribes findings when we already have a thread on the topic already? [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by Ethiop (Member # 20120) on :
 
I often ask my self why do you guys put much effort to debate the lioness. Its a waist of time.
 
Posted by Goredema (Member # 15729) on :
 
eTHIOP said: "I often ask my self why do you guys put much effort to debate the lioness. Its a waist of time".

Goredema says: I notice she did not comment on my observations about her behaviour and what it implies. I guess you're right, it is a waste of time. I get the feeling Lioness has a more chatty and foul-mouthed alter-ego. One who reacts whenever she feels insulted.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ If she does have such an alter ego, she probably manifests it in some other forum. LOL
 
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Indeed nowhere in the DNATribes STR data does it say anything about Arabs, Levantines, or any Asiatic ancestry for that matter for the 18th dynasty only AFRICAN affinities.

quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

Arabia is close to Africa yet straight forms of hair are much more common than in Africa. This could be due to people from the North mixing into these populations.

Yet the wavy (not straight) hair texture among Egyptians is not uncommon among east Africans but is most common in North Africa particularly around the Saharan region where the Egyptians' ancestors originated. Therefore your point about a "northern" a.k.a. Eurasian influence is null. [Embarrassed]

quote:
I'm going to add...
More of your b.s. rhetoric.

quote:
..I know now I'm a white supremacist for thinking this.
Of course you are Mathilda disciple. We all have known this about you since your lyinass first began posting in this forum. [Smile]

Wavy hair is not exclusive to East Africa. You find people with "wavy" hair through out West Africa as well. You also have ones who have what I call straight coarse hair. Think Don King in this regard. My uncle had hair like that, it was straight, but it was coarse, so it didn't fall like a white man's would. It looked exactly like don kings.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
[qb]
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


-Why couldn't Africans have develop this type of hair trait indigenously, in this particular region of Africa. Give me a good explanation.



It's possible but not proven yet.
Its seems less likely to me becasue that type of hair seems to be an adaptation to cold that goes beyond nightime tempertures in the desert. The San we notice do not even have hair that is halfway straight yet they live in the desert.
The idea that straight hair developed because of night time termperatures in the desert doesn't seem likely to me.

As per Queen Tiye as I said I think it is possible she had afro kinky hair but treated with chemicals.
However the thick waviness of the hair on the mummy does not quite resemble the hair of black women who use relaxer or combouts. Maybe mummification chemicals on top of that would do that.
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^^^this woman's facial structure reminds me of Queen Tiye.
We can see she has some form of straight hair. I suspect she's part African and her hair type is due to her also being part non-African

, the woman is African, from North Sudan! As I said her traits aren't exceptional in that region. Which was backup. And will be continued. All that other stuff you wrote about her is biased, suggestive, stupid and baseless babble!


There are people with Eurasian admixture in Sudan. I would bet you $100 that the woman above has Eurasian admixture.

Some people theorize that straight hair evolved in desert climates because nightime termperatures are colder.
I have never seen an academic study that even theorizes that just people here.
My guess is that nightime temperatures are cold enough and sustained enough to cause afro kinky hair to evolve into straight hair.

I could be wrong but what I'm saying it is an open question and unknown. The evolution of straight hair in relation to climate has not been studied much.


The San are more suited to arid climates than other people. They have a layer of fat on their internal organs that protect them from night temperatures.
Also order to argue differences between the Sahara and the Kalahari you would have to argue that the Sahara is significantly colder at night, enough to make kinky hair evolve into straight.
If this is the case the San should be approaching straighter hair but not as straight as Sahara people. Yet their hair is not half way straight it's peppercorn.

Other people that travel on camels and wear robes are often not as adapted to the desert conditions. Their clothing and animal hide shelters allow them to get by at night. Many of these people may have migrated into these regions after the advent of head to toe clothing and blankets.

But if someone wants to argue that straight hair is an adaptation to night time temperatures of the Sahara this means that afro kinky hair is less suited to that climate.

This means than that anybody with an afro is less indigenous to the Sahara at least in certain regions of it.
If this is the case you should be able to point to some tribe of pure Africans of the Sahara who all have straight hair and name them.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
[qb]
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


-Why couldn't Africans have develop this type of hair trait indigenously, in this particular region of Africa. Give me a good explanation.



It's possible but not proven yet.
Its seems less likely to me becasue that type of hair seems to be an adaptation to cold that goes beyond nightime tempertures in the desert. The San we notice do not even have hair that is halfway straight yet they live in the desert.
The idea that straight hair developed because of night time termperatures in the desert doesn't seem likely to me.

As per Queen Tiye as I said I think it is possible she had afro kinky hair but treated with chemicals.
However the thick waviness of the hair on the mummy does not quite resemble the hair of black women who use relaxer or combouts. Maybe mummification chemicals on top of that would do that.
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^^^this woman's facial structure reminds me of Queen Tiye.
We can see she has some form of straight hair. I suspect she's part African and her hair type is due to her also being part non-African

, the woman is African, from North Sudan! As I said her traits aren't exceptional in that region. Which was backup. And will be continued. All that other stuff you wrote about her is biased, suggestive, stupid and baseless babble!


There are people with Eurasian admixture in Sudan. I would bet you $100 that the woman above has Eurasian admixture.

Some people theorize that straight hair evolved in desert climates because nightime termperatures are colder.
I have never seen an academic study that even theorizes that just people here.
My guess is that nightime temperatures are cold enough and sustained enough to cause afro kinky hair to evolve into straight hair.

I could be wrong but what I'm saying it is an open question and unknown. The evolution of straight hair in relation to climate has not been studied much.


The San are more suited to arid climates than other people. They have a layer of fat on their internal organs that protect them from night temperatures.
Also order to argue differences between the Sahara and the Kalahari you would have to argue that the Sahara is significantly colder at night, enough to make kinky hair evolve into straight.
If this is the case the San should be approaching straighter hair but not as straight as Sahara people. Yet their hair is not half way straight it's peppercorn.

Other people that travel on camels and wear robes are often not as adapted to the desert conditions. Their clothing and animal hide shelters allow them to get by at night. Many of these people may have migrated into these regions after the advent of head to toe clothing and blankets.

But if someone wants to argue that straight hair is an adaptation to night time temperatures of the Sahara this means that afro kinky hair is less suited to that climate.

This means than that anybody with an afro is less indigenous to the Sahara at least in certain regions of it.
If this is the case you should be able to point to some tribe of pure Africans of the Sahara who all have straight hair and name them.

I am not going to repeat myself. I have explained myself from a view of personal experience.


I am done with you, and you are done. You are irrelevant and speak nonsense out of your ass, like above in your stupid guess!lol

Because I explained before that the San don't live in a desert but Steppe zone, although the Kalahari as referrered to as a desert. The desert has different climates in Night and Day temperatures Winters and Summers. And has different streams as well as historic climatic stages. The Kalahari, Sahara and Sahel aren't all the same. It's all way to much for you to understand. Bye, impostor African American woman!

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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ethiop:
I often ask my self why do you guys put much effort to debate the lioness. Its a waist of time.

You're right, it's awesome how some Europeans think they know everything better and always want to be right.

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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Indeed nowhere in the DNATribes STR data does it say anything about Arabs, Levantines, or any Asiatic ancestry for that matter for the 18th dynasty only AFRICAN affinities.

quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

Arabia is close to Africa yet straight forms of hair are much more common than in Africa. This could be due to people from the North mixing into these populations.

Yet the wavy (not straight) hair texture among Egyptians is not uncommon among east Africans but is most common in North Africa particularly around the Saharan region where the Egyptians' ancestors originated. Therefore your point about a "northern" a.k.a. Eurasian influence is null. [Embarrassed]

quote:
I'm going to add...
More of your b.s. rhetoric.

quote:
..I know now I'm a white supremacist for thinking this.
Of course you are Mathilda disciple. We all have known this about you since your lyinass first began posting in this forum. [Smile]

Wavy hair is not exclusive to East Africa. You find people with "wavy" hair through out West Africa as well. You also have ones who have what I call straight coarse hair. Think Don King in this regard. My uncle had hair like that, it was straight, but it was coarse, so it didn't fall like a white man's would. It looked exactly like don kings.
Truth be told.


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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sahel (Siptah):
lol @ where this thread has headed.

if you all honestly think queen tiy and the ancient blacks who populated the nile were predominantly straight haired you all really need to take a dose of something and wake up to reality. frizzy / wooly is the predominant natural hair type used to described these peoples hair type in antiquity. its not a surprise that this hair type is even predominantly shown in the artifacts.

I did not imply straight hair, I perfectly stated that. But it's obvious that L'ass isn't an African American woman, as it once implied. All this person writes is biased European nonsense, this is where this person is being exposed.


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Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
[qb]
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


-Why couldn't Africans have develop this type of hair trait indigenously, in this particular region of Africa. Give me a good explanation.



It's possible but not proven yet.
Its seems less likely to me becasue that type of hair seems to be an adaptation to cold that goes beyond nightime tempertures in the desert. The San we notice do not even have hair that is halfway straight yet they live in the desert.
The idea that straight hair developed because of night time termperatures in the desert doesn't seem likely to me.

As per Queen Tiye as I said I think it is possible she had afro kinky hair but treated with chemicals.
However the thick waviness of the hair on the mummy does not quite resemble the hair of black women who use relaxer or combouts. Maybe mummification chemicals on top of that would do that.
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^^^this woman's facial structure reminds me of Queen Tiye.
We can see she has some form of straight hair. I suspect she's part African and her hair type is due to her also being part non-African

, the woman is African, from North Sudan! As I said her traits aren't exceptional in that region. Which was backup. And will be continued. All that other stuff you wrote about her is biased, suggestive, stupid and baseless babble!


There are people with Eurasian admixture in Sudan. I would bet you $100 that the woman above has Eurasian admixture.

Some people theorize that straight hair evolved in desert climates because nightime termperatures are colder.
I have never seen an academic study that even theorizes that just people here.
My guess is that nightime temperatures are cold enough and sustained enough to cause afro kinky hair to evolve into straight hair.

I could be wrong but what I'm saying it is an open question and unknown. The evolution of straight hair in relation to climate has not been studied much.


The San are more suited to arid climates than other people. They have a layer of fat on their internal organs that protect them from night temperatures.
Also order to argue differences between the Sahara and the Kalahari you would have to argue that the Sahara is significantly colder at night, enough to make kinky hair evolve into straight.
If this is the case the San should be approaching straighter hair but not as straight as Sahara people. Yet their hair is not half way straight it's peppercorn.

Other people that travel on camels and wear robes are often not as adapted to the desert conditions. Their clothing and animal hide shelters allow them to get by at night. Many of these people may have migrated into these regions after the advent of head to toe clothing and blankets.

But if someone wants to argue that straight hair is an adaptation to night time temperatures of the Sahara this means that afro kinky hair is less suited to that climate.

This means than that anybody with an afro is less indigenous to the Sahara at least in certain regions of it.
If this is the case you should be able to point to some tribe of pure Africans of the Sahara who all have straight hair and name them.

the desert having an affect on hair theory is dumb as all dumb. You have Africans living in the Sahara right now who do not have wavy hair. That is the problem with the silly idea of evolution. You have two people in the same region with differences, then how does environment account for that. Its a silly theory created for non thinking people. its like saying the current day northern Egyptians "evolved" there like that foolish Keita tries to press. Well, you have northern Egyptians who are black as petrol with kinky hair. How does the environment then account for such diversity as going from Lilly white to black as all night in the SAME environment. But such is the case with European science, it is rationalization at its finest and the problem with rationalization is, the conclusions are limited by the "thinkers" knowledge, and "their" knowledge is limited beyond belief.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by typeZeiss:

Wavy hair is not exclusive to East Africa. You find people with "wavy" hair through out West Africa as well. You also have ones who have what I call straight coarse hair. Think Don King in this regard. My uncle had hair like that, it was straight, but it was coarse, so it didn't fall like a white man's would. It looked exactly like don kings.

I never said wavy hair was exclusive to East Africa. In fact, I stated that wavy hair has it's highest prevalence in the Sahara which spans from the Red Sea to the Atlantic. That said, I never doubted West Africans to have such hair. This all goes back to the fallacy of dividing African peoples into North vs. 'Sub-Sahara' or East vs. West. It is all a silly game created by Euronuts. All Africans populations are related to one another and you can't divide them anymore than you can divide the peoples of Europe which of course in the minds of the Euronuts can never be divided.
 
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by typeZeiss:

Wavy hair is not exclusive to East Africa. You find people with "wavy" hair through out West Africa as well. You also have ones who have what I call straight coarse hair. Think Don King in this regard. My uncle had hair like that, it was straight, but it was coarse, so it didn't fall like a white man's would. It looked exactly like don kings.

I never said wavy hair was exclusive to East Africa. In fact, I stated that wavy hair has it's highest prevalence in the Sahara which spans from the Red Sea to the Atlantic. That said, I never doubted West Africans to have such hair. This all goes back to the fallacy of dividing African peoples into North vs. 'Sub-Sahara' or East vs. West. It is all a silly game created by Euronuts. All Africans populations are related to one another and you can't divide them anymore than you can divide the peoples of Europe which of course in the minds of the Euronuts can never be divided.
What I posted wasn't so much a attack on you as it was me attempting to add on to what you said.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:

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the woman is African, from North Sudan! As I said her traits aren't exceptional in that region. Which was backup. And will be continued. All that other stuff you wrote about her is biased, suggestive, stupid and baseless babble!


There are people with Eurasian admixture in Sudan. I would bet you $100 that the woman above has Eurasian admixture...
And you're probably right that she is mixed. I base that not only on her hair but her light complexion which is rather uncommon for Sudanese even North 'Arab' Sudanese. So what?!

What does this have to do with wavy hair being indigenous or Queen Tiye who was an ANCIENT Nile Valley inhabitant??

I recall in another thread how you dismissed all these people below as being 'mixed' as well...

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..even though their complexion and features are typical of Sudanese. Mind you in that same thread other people like the Teda of southwest Libya and the Kanuri of Chad also have wavy hair but are very dark and in the case of the Kanuri they even have "negroid" facial features.

Your lyinass excuses were debunked before and they STILL remain so, twit. [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by typeZeiss:

What I posted wasn't so much a attack on you as it was me attempting to add on to what you said.

I never took your response to be an attack. Sorry if I came off as defensive, but my resentment wasn't towards you but towards the lyinass and her ilk.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by typeZeiss:

Wavy hair is not exclusive to East Africa. You find people with "wavy" hair through out West Africa as well. You also have ones who have what I call straight coarse hair. Think Don King in this regard. My uncle had hair like that, it was straight, but it was coarse, so it didn't fall like a white man's would. It looked exactly like don kings.

I never said wavy hair was exclusive to East Africa. In fact, I stated that wavy hair has it's highest prevalence in the Sahara which spans from the Red Sea to the Atlantic. That said, I never doubted West Africans to have such hair. This all goes back to the fallacy of dividing African peoples into North vs. 'Sub-Sahara' or East vs. West. It is all a silly game created by Euronuts. All Africans populations are related to one another and you can't divide them anymore than you can divide the peoples of Europe which of course in the minds of the Euronuts can never be divided.
 - Mummy of Queen Tiye.


I had forgotten that typezeiss doesn't believe in evolutionary adaptation theory so I can't really discuss this with him.
>However you do believe in evolutionary adaptation to climate.
So I dare you answer these questions


1) You said "wavy hair has it's highest prevalence in the Sahara".

If the type of hair as shown in the above mummy of Queen Tiye has it's highest prevalence in the Sahara ,

-is the reason"wavy hair has it's highest prevalence in the Sahara" because the earliest Africans had afro kinky hair and this hair graduakky developed into wavy hair due to nighttime temperatures being colder than in more Southerly regions of Africa?


2) If wavy hair is an adaptation to the cold this means that people who live in these areas who have afro kinky hair are less adpated to those regions in which have people have wavy hair and their ancestors are more recent to those areas, correct?

3) what tribes in Africa today best represent wavy haired Africans
of the type shown in the mummy of Queen Tiye above?


will you be able to take on these questions or will you disrtact people by attacking me in order to sidestep the questions?

lioness
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Troll can post pictures for days but provide no explanation

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

Someone please help him out.
note "straight" includes the sub type wavy-straight as per the mummy

Neanderwoman - the near black Queen Tiye had the hair length of most women of her like black African people. The Bilen women of the Agau Cushites still wear her earrings and look similar to her. let these Africans who are not your ancestors rest in peace.

We African descendants know what chemicals do to the hair after it is mummified. So NO, neither you nor your idol putting out Euronut fantasy on her pseudoanthropology photoshopped blog know what Tiye's hair looked like, better than do the scientists.

If Egyptians didn't have tropical limb proportions similar to African Americans maybe someone could picture a Europoid Tiye whose face happens to be painted the color of an Agau Ethiopoian. Besides that, her direct descendent Tut died of sickle cell and the dna tribes study shows a clear link to sub-Saharans of her family.

What living Woodabe-Fulani woman's hair wouldn't come out looking like that after its been chemically treated. Even closer than that is the Nilo-Saharan Dazaga Goraan women who also have the same faces as Tiye's.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
The Bilen women of the Agau Cushites still wear her earrings and look similar to her.

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show me a Bilen woman that has hair like this
 
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
 
1) [Djehuti] said "wavy hair has it's highest prevalence in the Sahara".

If the type of hair as shown in the above mummy of Queen Tiye has it's highest prevalence in the Sahara ,

-is the reason"wavy hair has it's highest prevalence in the Sahara" because the earliest Africans had afro kinky hair and this hair graduakky developed into wavy hair due to nighttime temperatures being colder than in more Southerly regions of Africa?


2) If wavy hair is an adaptation to the cold this means that people who live in these areas who have afro kinky hair are less adpated to those regions in which have people have wavy hair and their ancestors are more recent to those areas, correct?

3) what tribes in Africa today best represent wavy haired Africans
of the type shown in the mummy of Queen Tiye above?
[/b]

Hair type 1s not heavily dependent on environment.
Hot or cold environments may play some part, but the
part played may be trivial, without any significant effect at all.
Loose-haired Africans appear in hot tropical zones
and kinky-haired Africans show up in cold, high altitude zones.
The scientific literature is inconclusive on the point.
WHat is more relevant is the built-in genetic diversity
of Africa which can produce a range of hair types.
That is why people with blond-reddish hair can show
up in the Sahara without the need for any "race mix".

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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Troll can post pictures for days but provide no explanation

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

Someone please help him out.
note "straight" includes the sub type wavy-straight as per the mummy

Neanderwoman - the near black Queen Tiye had the hair length of most women of her like black African people. The Bilen women of the Agau Cushites still wear her earrings and look similar to her. let these Africans who are not your ancestors rest in peace.

We African descendants know what chemicals do to the hair after it is mummified. So NO, neither you nor your idol putting out Euronut fantasy on her pseudoanthropology photoshopped blog know what Tiye's hair looked like, better than do the scientists.

If Egyptians didn't have tropical limb proportions similar to African Americans maybe someone could picture a Europoid Tiye whose face happens to be painted the color of an Agau Ethiopoian. Besides that, her direct descendent Tut died of sickle cell and the dna tribes study shows a clear link to sub-Saharans of her family.

What living Woodabe-Fulani woman's hair wouldn't come out looking like that after its been chemically treated. Even closer than that is the Nilo-Saharan Dazaga Goraan women who also have the same faces as Tiye's.

Truth be told, the image of that liar shows light overexposure. Besides sickle cell and tropical adaption, the mummy too shows a alveolar prognathic African woman with overbite. Just like Tut and the rest of his family.


Below, you can see what it actually looks like. In proper light. And the the link gives a blown up version for closer inspection.


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http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/2011/03/22/mummy-zoom.jpg


Tests show King Tut died from malaria, study says


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(Reuters) - King Tutankhamen, the teen-aged pharaoh whose Egyptian tomb yielded dazzling treasures, limped around on tender bones and a club foot and probably died from malaria, researchers said on Tuesday.

There has been speculation about the fate of the boy king, who died sometime around 1324 BC probably at age 19, since the 1922 discovery of his intact tomb in Egypt's Valley of Kings.

Tests performed on 16 royal mummies found four, including Tut, had contracted a severe form of malaria that likely cut short Tut's reign -- ruling out murder or some other sickness.

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Scientists from Egypt, Germany and elsewhere, including Zahi Hawass of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, compiled results from genetic and radiological testing performed on the mummies between 2007 and 2009. The results clarify details about the 155-year-long 18th Dynasty that included Tutankhamen, who inherited the throne at age 11.

The scientists speculated Tut was weakened by a broken leg possibly from a fall. That and a malaria infection led to his death, they believe.

Tut was afflicted with a cleft palate, mild clubfoot in his left foot and other bone ailments. He and some family members had a form of Kohler disease, which can cause foot bones to collapse from lack of blood but would not have been fatal.

"Tutankhamen had multiple disorders, and some of them might have reached the cumulative character of an inflammatory, immune-suppressive -- and thus weakening -- syndrome. He might be envisioned as a young but frail king who needed canes to walk," Hawass wrote in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Besides the priceless gold artifacts found in Tut's tomb, he was also equipped for the afterlife with some 130 canes and staves -- some with signs of wear -- and a veritable pharmacy.

The scientists were also fairly certain they identified the mummies belonging to Tut's father, Akhenaten, and his grandmother, Tiye, based on shared blood groups.

They shot down speculation that Tut and his forebears had severe abnormalities, ruling out Marfan syndrome and another condition that could have led to enlarged breasts.

"It is unlikely that either Tutankhamen or Akhenaten actually displayed a significantly bizarre or feminine physique. It is important to note that ancient Egyptian kings typically had themselves and their families represented in an idealized fashion," Hawass wrote.


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2010/02/17/uk-tut-idUKTRE61G02220100217


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http://www.globalpost.com/photo/5678336/taxi-driver-mummified


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http://www.nationalgeographicstock.com/ngsimages/explore/explorecomp.jsf?xsys=SE&id=1344436


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Akenaton and his mother, Queen Tiy.


http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/akenatonkarnak.html
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova:
1) [Djehuti] said "wavy hair has it's highest prevalence in the Sahara".

If the type of hair as shown in the above mummy of Queen Tiye has it's highest prevalence in the Sahara ,

-is the reason"wavy hair has it's highest prevalence in the Sahara" because the earliest Africans had afro kinky hair and this hair graduakky developed into wavy hair due to nighttime temperatures being colder than in more Southerly regions of Africa?


2) If wavy hair is an adaptation to the cold this means that people who live in these areas who have afro kinky hair are less adpated to those regions in which have people have wavy hair and their ancestors are more recent to those areas, correct?

3) what tribes in Africa today best represent wavy haired Africans
of the type shown in the mummy of Queen Tiye above?
[/b]

Hair type 1s not heavily dependent on environment.
Hot or cold environments may play some part, but the
part played may be trivial, without any significant effect at all.
Loose-haired Africans appear in hot tropical zones
and kinky-haired Africans show up in cold, high altitude zones.
The scientific literature is inconclusive on the point.
WHat is more relevant is the built-in genetic diversity
of Africa which can produce a range of hair types.
That is why people with blond-reddish hair can show
up in the Sahara without the need for any "race mix".

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Besides that,


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Analysis of Hair Samples of Mummies from Semna South, American Journal of Physical Anthropology, (1978) 49: 277-262


As Brothwell and Spearman (‘63) point out, reddish-brown ancient hair is usually the result of partial oxidation of the melanin pigment. This color was seen in a large proportion of the Semna sample, and also noted by Titlbachova and Titlbach (‘77) on Egyptian material, where it also may have resulted from the mummification process. However, the large number of blond hairs that are not associated with the cuticular damage that bleaching produces, probably points to a significantly lighter-haired population than is now present in the Nubian region. Brothwell and Spearman (’63) noted genuinely blond ancient Egyptian samples using reflectance spectrophotometry. Blondism, especially in young children, is common in many darkhaired populations (e.g., Australian, Melanesian), and is still found in some Nubian villages (J. Zabkar, personal communication).


Only one sample (M197) showed cuticular damage and irregularities definitely consistent with bleaching, although bleaching could not be ruled out in some of the blond samples.


pdf file


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Archeological discovery: The Book of the Dead
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
[qb]
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


-Why couldn't Africans have develop this type of hair trait indigenously, in this particular region of Africa. Give me a good explanation.



It's possible but not proven yet.
Its seems less likely to me becasue that type of hair seems to be an adaptation to cold that goes beyond nightime tempertures in the desert. The San we notice do not even have hair that is halfway straight yet they live in the desert.
The idea that straight hair developed because of night time termperatures in the desert doesn't seem likely to me.

As per Queen Tiye as I said I think it is possible she had afro kinky hair but treated with chemicals.
However the thick waviness of the hair on the mummy does not quite resemble the hair of black women who use relaxer or combouts. Maybe mummification chemicals on top of that would do that.
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^^^this woman's facial structure reminds me of Queen Tiye.
We can see she has some form of straight hair. I suspect she's part African and her hair type is due to her also being part non-African

, the woman is African, from North Sudan! As I said her traits aren't exceptional in that region. Which was backup. And will be continued. All that other stuff you wrote about her is biased, suggestive, stupid and baseless babble!


There are people with Eurasian admixture in Sudan. I would bet you $100 that the woman above has Eurasian admixture.

Some people theorize that straight hair evolved in desert climates because nightime termperatures are colder.
I have never seen an academic study that even theorizes that just people here.
My guess is that nightime temperatures are cold enough and sustained enough to cause afro kinky hair to evolve into straight hair.

I could be wrong but what I'm saying it is an open question and unknown. The evolution of straight hair in relation to climate has not been studied much.


The San are more suited to arid climates than other people. They have a layer of fat on their internal organs that protect them from night temperatures.
Also order to argue differences between the Sahara and the Kalahari you would have to argue that the Sahara is significantly colder at night, enough to make kinky hair evolve into straight.
If this is the case the San should be approaching straighter hair but not as straight as Sahara people. Yet their hair is not half way straight it's peppercorn.

Other people that travel on camels and wear robes are often not as adapted to the desert conditions. Their clothing and animal hide shelters allow them to get by at night. Many of these people may have migrated into these regions after the advent of head to toe clothing and blankets.

But if someone wants to argue that straight hair is an adaptation to night time temperatures of the Sahara this means that afro kinky hair is less suited to that climate.

This means than that anybody with an afro is less indigenous to the Sahara at least in certain regions of it.
If this is the case you should be able to point to some tribe of pure Africans of the Sahara who all have straight hair and name them.

the desert having an affect on hair theory is dumb as all dumb. You have Africans living in the Sahara right now who do not have wavy hair. That is the problem with the silly idea of evolution. You have two people in the same region with differences, then how does environment account for that. Its a silly theory created for non thinking people. its like saying the current day northern Egyptians "evolved" there like that foolish Keita tries to press. Well, you have northern Egyptians who are black as petrol with kinky hair. How does the environment then account for such diversity as going from Lilly white to black as all night in the SAME environment. But such is the case with European science, it is rationalization at its finest and the problem with rationalization is, the conclusions are limited by the "thinkers" knowledge, and "their" knowledge is limited beyond belief.
The reason for this is, people migrated and mixed over time. Thus showing this diversity.


I don't think anyone has claimed that opposites in phenotype have evolved in the exact same region. The key to all of this is, they haven't lived in the exact same region for thousands of years. But rather separate.


We could change the theory into, why doesn't all and everybody have peppercorn San type of hair texture?


You also have mutations based individually. Effecting certain individuals solely within the same environment. This is ussually caused be proteins, changing alleles.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wpRzeMgdXk
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
This lyinass idiot is claiming that Africans originally had kinky hair but when they moved into the Sahara, due to its cold nighttime temperatures, their hair became "cold adapted" and thus wavy! LMAO [Big Grin] Never mind that daytime temperatures soar well over a hundred, OR that the Sahara did not always exist as there are geologic periods of fertile land in north Africa due to rain, OR that there are deserts in southern Africa as well.

Can everyone else but the lyinass see the holes in her theory? [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
This lyinass idiot is claiming that Africans originally had kinky hair but when they moved into the Sahara, due to its cold nighttime temperatures, their hair became "cold adapted" and thus wavy! LMAO [Big Grin] Never mind that daytime temperatures soar well over a hundred, OR that the Sahara did not always exist as there are geologic periods of fertile land in north Africa due to rain, OR that there are deserts in southern Africa as well.

Can everyone else but the lyinass see the holes in her theory? [Embarrassed]

The thing about nighttime tempertaures in the Sahara was originally brought up by Truthcentric in an earlier thread and Djehuti knows it. Now that I bring it up he laughs it off.
The theory that straight hair evolved due to nighttime tempertures in the Sahara was an attempt to have a theory that kinky hair evolved into "wavy" hair within Africa.
But now Djehuti thinks this is silly because daytime temperatures in the Sahara are hot.
Therefore if straight hair is an adaptation to cold it occured out of Africa in Eurasia somewhere and then people who had this adpatation back migrated into Africa or in other locations other Southern regions.

But people in this thread don't like that concept.
They think a shorter limb ratio is an adaptation to climate but difference in hair is completely random and has no relation to climate.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Troll can post pictures for days but provide no explanation

a) she was a black woman with straight hair

b) she wasn't a black woman

c) she was a black woman who used chemicals or combing techniques to straigten her afro when she was alive

d) she was a black woman with an afro but the chemicals used in the mummification process straightened her hair

Someone please help him out.
note "straight" includes the sub type wavy-straight as per the mummy

Neanderwoman - the near black Queen Tiye had the hair length of most women of her like black African people. The Bilen women of the Agau Cushites still wear her earrings and look similar to her. let these Africans who are not your ancestors rest in peace.

We African descendants know what chemicals do to the hair after it is mummified. So NO, neither you nor your idol putting out Euronut fantasy on her pseudoanthropology photoshopped blog know what Tiye's hair looked like, better than do the scientists.

If Egyptians didn't have tropical limb proportions similar to African Americans maybe someone could picture a Europoid Tiye whose face happens to be painted the color of an Agau Ethiopoian. Besides that, her direct descendent Tut died of sickle cell and the dna tribes study shows a clear link to sub-Saharans of her family.

What living Woodabe-Fulani woman's hair wouldn't come out looking like that after its been chemically treated. Even closer than that is the Nilo-Saharan Dazaga Goraan women who also have the same faces as Tiye's.

I am sorry, I posted a somewhat older article. In my previous post.


This is the correct one.


King Tut died from sickle-cell disease, not malaria

King Tutankhamun died from sickle-cell disease, not malaria, say experts. A team from Hamburg's Bernhard Noct Institute for Tropical Medicine (BNI) claim the disease is a far likelier cause of death than the combination of bone disorders and malaria put forward by Egyptian experts earlier this year.


The BNI team argues that theories offered by Egyptian experts, led by antiquities tsar Zahi Hawass, are based on data that can be interpreted otherwise. They say further analysis of the data will confirm or deny their work. Hawass' claim, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association this February, and followed by a swarm of accompanying television shows, claimed King Tut suffered from Kohler's disease, a bone disorder prohibiting blood flow, before succumbing to malaria.


Multiple bone disorders, including one in Tutankhamun's left foot, led to the Kohler's diagnosis, while segments of a malarial parasite were found via DNA testing. Yet the BNI team claims the latter results are incorrect. “Malaria in combination with Köhler's disease causing Tutankhamun's early death seems unlikely to us,” say Prof Christian Meyer and Dr Christian Timmann.


Instead the BNI team feels sickle-cell disease (SCD), a genetic blood disorder, is a more likely reason for the Pharaoh's death aged just 19. The disease occurs in 9 to 22 per cent of people living in the Egyptian oases, and gives a better chance of surviving malaria; the infestation halted by sickled cells.


They say the disease occurs frequently in malarial regions like the River Nile, and that it would account for the bone defects found on his body.


“The genetic predisposition for (SCD) can be found in regions where malaria frequently occurs, including ancient and modern Egypt.” says Meyer. “The disease can only manifest itself when a sickle cell trait is inherited from both parents: it is a so-called 'recessive inheritance'.” A family tree for the Pharaoh suggested by Hawass himself appears to back the BNI team's case.


The relatively old age of Tutankhamun's parents and relatives – up to 50 years – means they could very well have carried sickle-cell traits, and could therefore have been highly resistant to malaria. The high likelihood that King Tut's parents were siblings means he could have inherited the sickle cell trait from both and suffered from SCD.


“Sickle-cell disease is an important differential diagnosis: one that existing DNA material can probably confirm or rule out,” conclude Timmann and Meyer. They suggest that further testing of ancient Egyptian royal mummies should bear their conclusions in mind.


King Tut's young demise has long been a source of speculation. As well as malaria, recent decades have seen scholars argue that he was murdered, and that he died from infection caused by a broken leg.


http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/king-tut-died-from-sicklecell-disease-not-malaria-2010531.html


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Fragment of a relief representing queen Tiye

From Western Thebes, from the mortuary temple of Amenhotep III.
New Kingdom, 18th dynasty, 1375 BC. Quartz.
Neues Museum, Berlin AM23270
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
Face from a Composite Statue, probably Queen Tiye


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Description


This quartzite head once belonged to a composite statue made of several different materials. Based on the color of the stone (red being the conventional color for men), the owner was originally identified as Akhenaten. However, the subject seems to have worn the standard tripartite wig, which frames the face with two thick hanks of hair while a third section hangs down the back. This wig and the very close similarity of the face to known images of Akhenaten's mother, Queen Tiye, make it virtually certain that she is represented here.
The sensitive modeling of the face is typical of the workshop of the sculptor Thutmose at site of Amarna. The existence of gypsum plaster casts excavated in Thutmose's studio suggests that this may have been part of a group statue depicting Akhenaten with his parents, Tiye, and Amenhotep III.


http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/100001016
 
Posted by Sahel (Siptah) (Member # 17601) on :
 
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i wonder if her mummy is wearing hair extensions. anyone notice the reddish brown stain on her forhead being the same color as her hair?
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
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FATHER OF QUEEN TIYE
Yuya the father of Queen Tiye was a powerful
Egyptian courtier during the eighteenth dynasty (1390 BC).

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QUEEN TIYE
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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ And your point was what exactly, dumb liar??
 
Posted by Sahel (Siptah) (Member # 17601) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
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FATHER OF QUEEN TIYE
Yuya the father of Queen Tiye was a powerful
Egyptian courtier during the eighteenth dynasty (1390 BC).

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strange, portraits of yuya show him with an inner dipped flat nose in shape. i have yet to see yuya depicted with a convex type nose in his portraits as his mummy portrays him.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sahel (Siptah):
strange, portraits of yuya show him with an inner dipped flat nose in shape. i have yet to see yuya depicted with a convex type nose in his portraits as his mummy portrays him. [/QB]

there aren't any portraits that I have seen just the highly stylized mummy masks and coffins

http://anubis4_2000.tripod.com/SpecialExhibits/YuyaTuyu.htm


Yuya's Second and Inner Coffin-
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Yuya's inner coffin
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Yuya's Mummy Mask--CG 51008
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this mask displays some interesting stylistic features that tend to date it to the last years of Amenhotep III's reign. As Dennis Forbes points out, "It's exceptionally small nose and over-large eyes hint at the 'juvenalizing' style favored by the deified Amenhotep III during his last decade." (KMT [7:2] 42.) Photograph of mask in profile at left clearly shows the "juvenalizing" tendencies characteristic of artistic trends late in the reign of Amenhotep III.


Wooden shabti of Yuya found in KV 46.
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FATHER AND MOTHER OF QUEEN TIYE

________Yuya____________________________Thuya_____
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a bend in the noses more visible in profile may be due to a breaking of the nose bone during the mummification process.
Some Egyptologists had speculated that Yuya may have had Mittani origins ( northern Syria and south-east Anatolia )
If this is the case it could account for Queen Tiye's wavy hair
 
Posted by Sahel (Siptah) (Member # 17601) on :
 
here are some following scenes of yuya depicted with his wife in the book of the dead from his tomb.

courtesy of swenet -
yuya and wife before osiris
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yuya depicted on far left
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look closely at his features, flat inner dip noses, clear prognathism, & protruding incisors. contradictory to how his mummy portrays him in features. also another interesting matter is his family; thuya, daughter queen tiy and famous grandson tut are also not shown with convex hook noses. not even on their highly stylized masks and coffins with yuya's included.
 
Posted by Sahel (Siptah) (Member # 17601) on :
 
quote:
lioness- "a bend in the noses more visible in profile may be due to a breaking of the nose bone during the mummification process."
its possible. as with the case on ramses II x-ray of his skull. recalling on his broken nasal bone and his nose being stuffed with materials to strengthen his smell in the afterlife.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sahel (Siptah):


look closely at his features, flat inner dip noses, clear prognathism, & protruding incisors.

That's silliness these reproductions of the paintings are poor quality and are not portraits anyway.
prognathism? where is it even in the painting below?
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Look at the mummies, that's realer than any of this art
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Was Yuya prognathic? No look at the actual person here. That's proof not a painting
 
Posted by Sahel (Siptah) (Member # 17601) on :
 
quote:
That's silliness these reproductions of the paintings are poor quality and are not portraits anyway.
your excuse is silly. poor quality or not. portrayals of his profile in the book of the dead are still discernible enough.

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prognathism? where is it ?
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must be a flat nosed dark skinned caucasian man pouting with his mouth then.

here is the other zoomed image you left out for some reason.
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moving on...

hope im not derailing the thread but would anyone on here who can translate the content on the shabti translate for me or for those interested.

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i'm wondering if this shabti belongs to yuya. any amount of translation indicating the identity would be appreciated.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sahel (Siptah):
quote:
[qb]That's silliness these reproductions of the paintings are poor quality and are not portraits anyway.

your excuse is silly. poor quality or not. portrayals of his profile in the book of the dead are still discernible enough.

your excuse is more silly because you would even consider a painting over a mummy, correct?
We have the reality let's deal with it

BTW the thread topic is Tiye's hair
You would say that Yuya her father possibly being Eurasian is impossible? That if so it's impossible she got her hair from him?
I say it is possible, not certain but possible.
That makes me Eurocentric?
From the mummies of her parents it appears that got her prognathism from her mother Thuya
 
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Sahel (Siptah):
quote:
[qb]That's silliness these reproductions of the paintings are poor quality and are not portraits anyway.

your excuse is silly. poor quality or not. portrayals of his profile in the book of the dead are still discernible enough.

your excuse is more silly because you would even consider a painting over a mummy, correct?
We have the reality let's deal with it

BTW the thread topic is Tiye's hair
You would say that Yuya her father possibly being Eurasian is impossible? That if so it's impossible she got her hair from him?
I say it is possible, not certain but possible.
That makes me Eurocentric?
From the mummies of her parents it appears that got her prognathism from her mother Thuya

sooo, lets get this straight. You are going to use the hair on a 3,000 year old mummy, that has been treated with all sorts of chemicals to retard decay, to determine what the person looked like when they were alive? Also, have you seen the paintings of Yuyu in his tomb? I think that would help clear some things up.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by typeZeiss:
sooo, lets get this straight. You are going to use the hair on a 3,000 year old mummy, that has been treated with all sorts of chemicals to retard decay, to determine what the person looked like when they were alive? Also, have you seen the paintings of Yuyu in his tomb? I think that would help clear some things up.

You can see from the mummy Yuya was not prognathic.
As for the hair it's theoretically possible he had afro kinky hair but it was straightened out by mummification chemicals.
It is also possible he had straight hair naturally
 
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
your excuse is more silly because you would even consider a painting over a mummy
Hypocrite. You've been focusing on yellow female portrayals for the longest, even though the skeletal records shows females depicted in this manner to be every bit as African looking as their male counterparts.
 
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
quote:
your excuse is more silly because you would even consider a painting over a mummy

Hypocrite. You've been focusing on yellow female portrayals for the longest, even though the skeletal records shows females depicted in this manner to be every bit as African looking as their male counterparts.

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
[QB] [QUOTE]
prognathism? where is it even in the painting below?
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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ LMAO @ the desperate lyinass loser! Her argument on Tiye's hair is debunked so she now goes on to Yuya! [Big Grin]

Swenet, don't bother wasting your time with the twit in regards to artwork because you yourself have debunked her dumbass on that as well!
quote:
Originally posted by the desperate lyinass:

You can see from the mummy Yuya was not prognathic.
As for the hair it's theoretically possible he had afro kinky hair but it was straightened out by mummification chemicals.
It is also possible he had straight hair naturally

Yes lyin worm, all of what you said is actually true for a change. By the way, a person doesn't need to be prognathic to be an indigenous (black) African.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Vansertimavindicated:

I HAVE RECIEVED SO MANY EMAILS THAT ARE ASKING ME WHO CAN BE TRUSTED ON THIS SITE THAT I HAVE DECIDED TO JUST LAY IT OUT

""THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN BE TRUSTED TO DESSIMINATE ACCURATE INFORMATION OIN THIS SITE IS ME"""

While the fake ass scumbag that has taken over this site with his fake names does tell ha;lf truths to fool you... HALF TRUTHS ARE STILL LIES!!!!!

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE POSTER ON THIS SITE OTHER THAN MYSELF THAT CAN BE TRUSTED!!!! BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON!!!!

[Eek!] Now I know you're a crazy ass troll. GTFOH [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by Sahel (Siptah) (Member # 17601) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:

your excuse is more silly because you would even consider a painting over a mummy, correct?
We have the reality let's deal with it

BTW the thread topic is Tiye's hair
You would say that Yuya her father possibly being Eurasian is impossible? That if so it's impossible she got her hair from him?
I say it is possible, not certain but possible.
That makes me Eurocentric?
From the mummies of her parents it appears that got her prognathism from her mother Thuya

i contrasted his features between his mummy and his other paintings. is it such a problem?. btw i believe yuya being eurasian is very far from certain as with tiy's hair. who knows what she did with her hair before her passing.

quote:
You can see from the mummy Yuya was not prognathic.
must be his full lips. making him look prognathic. it happens.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
skeletal records shows females depicted in this manner to be every bit as African looking as their male counterparts.


skeletal records vary

quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

ancient Egypt was a multi-ethnic society.


 
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by typeZeiss:
sooo, lets get this straight. You are going to use the hair on a 3,000 year old mummy, that has been treated with all sorts of chemicals to retard decay, to determine what the person looked like when they were alive? Also, have you seen the paintings of Yuyu in his tomb? I think that would help clear some things up.

You can see from the mummy Yuya was not prognathic.
As for the hair it's theoretically possible he had afro kinky hair but it was straightened out by mummification chemicals.
It is also possible he had straight hair naturally

Given the fact they did not depict him with straight hair, but an afro, I doubt it. As for prognathism, not all Africans have proganthism.

Educate yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wpRzeMgdXk&feature=plcp
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by typeZeiss:
Given the fact they did not depict him with straight hair, but an afro

where is the depiction of Yuya with an afro?
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
The Bilen women of the Agau Cushites still wear her earrings and look similar to her.

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show me a Bilen woman that has hair like this

There are many millions Agau that have such hair LYIN_ ss . As if you didn't know already. [Wink]

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Addis Malaga

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Now what is the hair of this girl going to look like when chemicals are put on it like has happened with Tiyes hair.

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Agau without chemicals

You still have not accepted the process of thickening and relaxation that happens with chemically treated hair over 2000 years old.

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Now - Negrophobe - leave us black women alone. [Big Grin]


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Asmara region
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
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FATHER OF QUEEN TIYE
Yuya the father of Queen Tiye was a powerful
Egyptian courtier during the eighteenth dynasty (1390 BC).

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We know LYIN_ss. [Roll Eyes] WE know. [Wink]
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by typeZeiss:
sooo, lets get this straight. You are going to use the hair on a 3,000 year old mummy, that has been treated with all sorts of chemicals to retard decay, to determine what the person looked like when they were alive? Also, have you seen the paintings of Yuyu in his tomb? I think that would help clear some things up.

You can see from the mummy Yuya was not prognathic.
As for the hair it's theoretically possible he had afro kinky hair but it was straightened out by mummification chemicals.
It is also possible he had straight hair naturally

Southern africans are not always prognathic - Negrophobe.

THus not all of the ancient Egyptians nor this Maasai man is prognathic.

Please excuse. [Cool]

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Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
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The Herti are a Somali sub-clan of Darod.

According to early Islamic books and Somali tradition, Muhammad ibn Aqil's descendant Abdirahman bin Isma'il al-Jabarti (Darod), a son of the Sufi Sheikh Isma'il al-Jabarti of the Qadiriyyah order, fled his homeland in the Arabian Peninsula after an argument with his uncle. During the 10th or 11th century CE, Abdirahman is believed to have then settled in northern Somalia just across the Red Sea and married the daughter of the Dir chief, which is said to have given rise to the Darod clan family.
According to the British anthropologist and Somali Studies veteran I.M. Lewis, while the traditions of descent from noble Arab families related to the Prophet are most probably expressions of the importance of Islam in Somali society,"there is a strong historically valid component in these legends which, in the case of the Darod, is confirmed in the current practice of a Dir representative officiating at the ceremony of installation of the chief of the Darod family

Some Arabs going back to Mohammad were comprised of African lineages as well as non-African ancestry from regions North of Arabia. These Northern lineages could have changed the hair type of some Somalis of Darod lineage. While the man above does not appear to have afro kinky hair he appears to have curly hair with large curls. This is different from the wavy hair you see in the Queen Tiye mummy although it is hard to know if mummification chemicals had an effect.

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Look at the various orange (Semi desert) and yellow (Steppe) regions. Do people in all those areas have as much non-Afro hair as in Somalia? No, why? Probably because people in countries near to the East coast of Africa intermarried more with Arabs who traded along the Esat coast and Horn and straight hair is much more common in Arabia. This is common sense
An interesting thing about the DNATribes report was in the regional Analysis for Individual Amarna Mummies of the 7 mummies analyzed Yuya (father of Queen Tiye) who is believed by some Egyptologists to have had Mittani ancestry (Hurrian-speaking, Indo-Aryan ruled state in northern Syria and south-east Anatolia) is charted:

SOURCE: DNATribes regional Analysis for Yuya, page 5

http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf


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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
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The Herti are a Somali sub-clan of Darod.

According to early Islamic books and Somali tradition, Muhammad ibn Aqil's descendant Abdirahman bin Isma'il al-Jabarti (Darod), a son of the Sufi Sheikh Isma'il al-Jabarti of the Qadiriyyah order, fled his homeland in the Arabian Peninsula after an argument with his uncle. During the 10th or 11th century CE, Abdirahman is believed to have then settled in northern Somalia just across the Red Sea and married the daughter of the Dir chief, which is said to have given rise to the Darod clan family.
According to the British anthropologist and Somali Studies veteran I.M. Lewis, while the traditions of descent from noble Arab families related to the Prophet are most probably expressions of the importance of Islam in Somali society,"there is a strong historically valid component in these legends which, in the case of the Darod, is confirmed in the current practice of a Dir representative officiating at the ceremony of installation of the chief of the Darod family

Some Arabs going back to Mohammad were comprised of African lineages as well as non-African ancestry from regions North of Arabia. These Northern lineages could have changed the hair type of some Somalis of Darod lineage. While the man above does not appear to have afro kinky hair he appears to have curly hair with large curls. This is different from the wavy hair you see in the Queen Tiye mummy although it is hard to know if mummification chemicals had an effect.

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Look at the various orange (Semi desert) and yellow (Steppe) regions. Do people in all those areas have as much non-Afro hair as in Somalia? No, why? Probably because people in countries near to the East coast of Africa intermarried more with Arabs who traded along the Esat coast and Horn and straight hair is much more common in Arabia. This is common sense
An intersting thing about the DNATribes report:



In the regional Analysis for Individual Amarna Mummies of the 7 mummies analyzed there is only one with significant markers that include outside of Africa as well as African, Yuya (father of Queen Tiye) who is believed by some Egyptologists to have had Mittani ancestry (Hurrian-speaking, Indo-Aryan ruled state in northern Syria and south-east Anatolia)


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SOURCE: DNATribes regional Analysis for Yuya, page 5

http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf


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Neanderdummy! - you keep missing the point that Yuya's hair has been TREATED WITH CHEMICALS therefore he probably didn't even have as much EURASIATIC blood as the black Somali I posted here. [Roll Eyes]

YOU LOSE!
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
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Happy!!?
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Neanderdummy! - you keep missing the point that Yuya's hair has been TREATED WITH CHEMICALS therefore he probably didn't even have as much EURASIATIC blood as the black Somali I posted here. [Roll Eyes]
YOU LOSE! [/QB]

If someone had wavy straight hair to begin with and it was treated with mummification chemicals he would still have wavy straight hair.

You think he had an afro but it was altered by mummification chemicals?
Why do you think he had an afro when there is no evidence he had an afro ?
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Neanderdummy! - you keep missing the point that Yuya's hair has been TREATED WITH CHEMICALS therefore he probably didn't even have as much EURASIATIC blood as the black Somali I posted here. [Roll Eyes]
YOU LOSE!

If someone had wavy straight hair to begin with and it was treated with mummification chemicals he would still have wavy straight hair.

You think he had an afro but it was altered by mummification chemicals?
Why do you think he had an afro when there is no evidence he had an afro ? [/QB]

i personally didn't say anything about an Afro. R u delusional or farsighted? And if he did have an afro that's exactly how it would have turned OUT! STRAIGHTENED!

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Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Neanderdummy! - you keep missing the point that Yuya's hair has been TREATED WITH CHEMICALS therefore he probably didn't even have as much EURASIATIC blood as the black Somali I posted here. [Roll Eyes]
YOU LOSE!

If someone had wavy straight hair to begin with and it was treated with mummification chemicals he would still have wavy straight hair.

You think he had an afro but it was altered by mummification chemicals?
Why do you think he had an afro when there is no evidence he had an afro ?

i personally didn't say anything about an Afro. And if he did have an afro that's exactly how it would have turned OUT! STRAIGHTENED!

You mentioned mummification chemicals for a reason.
The idea that these chemicals would straighten afro hair is possible but theoretical.
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Neanderdummy! - you keep missing the point that Yuya's hair has been TREATED WITH CHEMICALS therefore he probably didn't even have as much EURASIATIC blood as the black Somali I posted here. [Roll Eyes]
YOU LOSE!

If someone had wavy straight hair to begin with and it was treated with mummification chemicals he would still have wavy straight hair.

You think he had an afro but it was altered by mummification chemicals?
Why do you think he had an afro when there is no evidence he had an afro ? [/QB]

Neanderwoman - I don't think anybody in Egyptsearch thinks that Egyptians had no contact with foreigners, so why pretend that's what this forum is about. We know the noble classes did have Asiatic slaves as Diop pointed out. So why shouldn't they have some markers that could be non-AFrican. Just like every negro in America. [Wink]


It is in fact why they fit in well, according to Ricault and others, with the variation in Ethiopia and Eritrea etc - two black man's lands.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Neanderdummy! - you keep missing the point that Yuya's hair has been TREATED WITH CHEMICALS therefore he probably didn't even have as much EURASIATIC blood as the black Somali I posted here. [Roll Eyes]
YOU LOSE!

If someone had wavy straight hair to begin with and it was treated with mummification chemicals he would still have wavy straight hair.

You think he had an afro but it was altered by mummification chemicals?
Why do you think he had an afro when there is no evidence he had an afro ?

Neanderwoman - I don't think anybody in Egyptsearch thinks that Egyptians had no contact with foreigners, so why pretend that's what this forum is about. We know the noble classes did have Asiatic slaves as Diop pointed out. So why shouldn't they have some markers that could be non-AFrican. Just like every negro in America. [Wink]


It is in fact why they fit in well, according to Ricault and others, with the variation in Ethiopia and Eritrea etc - two black man's lands. [/QB]

what I'm saying is that it is possible that Queen Tiye may have had naturally wavy straight hair and that she may have gotten that hair from a father who may have been Middle Eastern.
There are also other possibilities.
 
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
[qb]
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
skeletal records shows females depicted in this manner to be every bit as African looking as their male counterparts.


skeletal records vary

You're not replying to what I'm saying, you big dumbo. I said there was always a male/female covariance in the record. When Late Dynastic Egyptian males diverged away from Nubians, the same would be the case for the females. There is no lopsided female divergence, in the skeletal record.

What does that have to do with whether or not the record varies? [Confused]
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
skeletal records shows females depicted in this manner to be every bit as African looking as their male counterparts.


this is a bogus amaeturish statement "skeletal records shows....African looking"


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KV35 Elder Lady aka Queen Tiye

this doesn't look like African hair. African hair is frizzy.
The hair is in it's natural state unless there is evidence otherwise
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Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
skeletal records shows females depicted in this manner to be every bit as African looking as their male counterparts.


this is a bogus amaeturish statement "skeletal records shows....African looking"

Notice how this retard starts talking about something else entirely, after I told her a varying skeletal record from pre to late dynastic times is a separate issue from whether the yellow skinned female portrayal is reflected in the skeletal record.

For the hell of it, lets pursue her silly smoke screen.

Why is it a bogus amateurish statement to state that the morphology of female Ancient Egyptians was every bit as African as the male Ancient Egyptians?

Watch how the retard will blurt out bullsh!t again, avoid the question, or throw up another smoke screen.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
Calling me a retard just makes you look angry and emotional, Djehuti-ish. Obviously I'm a pretty clever person. You are trying to bring up yellow skin as a diversionary tactic in a thread about hair.
And now you correct yourself "African looking" becomes "morphology".
What morphology? Just limb ratios. So these skeletal reamins are "African looking" after you pull out the calipers and measure their limbs. You see somebody on the street -are they African looking? Better take out the tools and measure their limbs to find out. Are the measurements "Mediterranan looking" or "Arabian looking" ? Don't know we don't have limb studies for them, just average U.S. Blacks, U.S. whites. What about Yugoslavs? Don't bring that up it's from a different study, Americans are the yardstick.
Another diversionary tactic to try to change this thread into a limb ratio thread. Stop being annoying the topic is hair.


lioness productions
 
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
Calling me a retard just makes you look angry and emotional, Djehuti-ish. Obviously I'm a pretty clever person. You are trying to bring up yellow skin as a diversionary tactic in a thread about hair.
And now you correct yourself "African looking" becomes "morphology".
What morphology? Just limb ratios. So these skeletal reamins are "African looking" after you pull out the calipers and measure their limbs. You see somebody on the street -are they African looking? Better take out the tools and measure their limbs to find out. Are the measurements "Mediterranan looking" or "Arabian looking" ? Don't know we don't have limb studies for them, just average U.S. Blacks, U.S. whites. What about Yugoslavs? Don't bring that up it's from a different study, Americans are the yardstick.
Another diversionary tactic to try to change this thread into a limb ratio thread. Stop being annoying the topic is hair.


lioness productions

The only thing this post proves is that you do not have a very well formed understanding of the subject matter you are attempting to speak on. But what else can be expected from a person that uses flickr photos to try and prove an uneducated theory.
 
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
Obviously I'm a pretty clever person.
Lets test this. Is there ONE person who can vouch for Lioness' self-description? This should be fun [Big Grin] .

quote:
What morphology? Just limb ratios.
This only speaks to how much of a retard you are. I was talking about the skeletal record of the female side of the Ancient Egyptian population, and how it present a different picture from the yellow skinned portrayals, i.e., the females look every bit as African as the males, cranio-facially speaking.

Since when are elongated limbs Africa specific, and since when is there no sexual dimorphism in limb length, for you to interpret the sentence ''shows females depicted in this manner to be every bit as African looking as their male counterparts'' as pertaining to limb proportions?
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:
Obviously I'm a pretty clever person.
Lets test this. Is there ONE person who can vouch for Lioness' self-description? This should be fun [Big Grin] .

quote:
What morphology? Just limb ratios.
This only speaks to how much of a retard you are. I was talking about the skeletal record of the female side of the Ancient Egyptian population, and how it present a different picture from the yellow skinned portrayals, i.e., the females look every bit as African as the males, cranio-facially speaking.

Since when are elongated limbs Africa specific, and since when is there no sexual dimorphism in limb length, for you to interpret the sentence ''shows females depicted in this manner to be every bit as African looking as their male counterparts'' as pertaining to limb proportions?

now explain to how the "skeletal records" show how the below was not the woman's skin tone


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Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
Because we have x-rays that look like this:

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where the cranio-facial features of the skeletons don't match the appearance of the mummies. Keita also says it is not uncommon for Upper Egyptian females to be depicted in this way, while showing a cranio-facial morphology which is typical for Nubians and Upper Egyptians.

I could go on and on, but I already beat your behind silly on the subject. There is also this piece of information, remember, retard?

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In 5/7 cases, the female end of the lines (grey circles) point away from the hybrid late dynastic E-series, and towards pre-dynastic remains (more prognathism, more narrow calvaria etc). If anything, the ancient Egyptian males (black triangles) tended to have slightly more in common with late dynastic hybrid Egyptians.

Where are your multiracial light skinned females, retard? They sure as hell don't appear in the skeletal record.

[Big Grin]

This brings us back to where we were before you derailed the topic with your irrelevant gibberish:

quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
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your excuse is more silly because you would even consider a painting over a mummy

Hypocrite. You've been focusing on yellow female portrayals for the longest, even though the skeletal records shows females depicted in this manner to be every bit as African looking as their male counterparts

 
Posted by Sahel (Siptah) (Member # 17601) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:
Obviously I'm a pretty clever person.
Lets test this. Is there ONE person who can vouch for Lioness' self-description? This should be fun [Big Grin] .

quote:
What morphology? Just limb ratios.
This only speaks to how much of a retard you are. I was talking about the skeletal record of the female side of the Ancient Egyptian population, and how it present a different picture from the yellow skinned portrayals, i.e., the females look every bit as African as the males, cranio-facially speaking.

Since when are elongated limbs Africa specific, and since when is there no sexual dimorphism in limb length, for you to interpret the sentence ''shows females depicted in this manner to be every bit as African looking as their male counterparts'' as pertaining to limb proportions?

now explain to how the "skeletal records" show how the below was not the woman's skin tone


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derailing the thread much arent ya? lol.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ [Roll Eyes] What do you expect from the lyinass. Again, the topic of her thread ended long time ago so she resorts to off-topic ranting.

As for the portrait of Nofret, how many times must we tell the dumb b|tch that the original complexion of the portrait was YELLOW not pale or pallor and you can see that original yellow paint has faded off.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the dumb lyinass:

this is a bogus amateurish statement "skeletal records shows....African looking"

How so dummy? That exactly what skeletal records of the Egyptians show-- AFRICANS.
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KV35 Elder Lady aka Queen Tiye

this doesn't look like African hair. African hair is frizzy.
The hair is in it's natural state unless there is evidence otherwise
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LOL He speaks of skeletons, but you switch back to hair and the stereotype of African hair being frizzy only even after that notion has JUST been debunked!

Why oh why do you guys even put up with this dumb twit?? [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
As for the portrait of Nofret, how many times must we tell the dumb b|tch that the original complexion of the portrait was YELLOW not pale or pallor and you can see that original yellow paint has faded off.
Remember when White Nord et al were fond of using Ka-aper as evidence for a white Egypt?

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Only to have their hopes and expectations shattered when faced with other, more intact (color wise) depictions of Ka-aper:

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Some people just doesn't get it, lol.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Indeed. All they have left is to cling to those portraits and art pieces where the paint is faded or there is no paint at all and squeal, "see"! LOL

This is also the reason why I refer them to your thread on artwork here.
 
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
 
That pigmentation, a reddish-brown hue, falls within the range of Caucasoids. Its common around the Mediterranean, just take a look at Etruscan or Minoan art.
 
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
 
Most Greeks are also painted red-brown...

''Frescoes normally show eyes and hair as dark (one girl in the Xeste 3 fresco has reddish hair), skin conventionally as red-brown on males and white on females, as in Egypt. All are comparable with the colouring used on later Greek statues and paintings, and suggest that the early populations were similar in complexion and colouring to the ancient, and indeed the modern, Greeks, whom they might equally have resembled in variety of physical type.''
- Dickinson, O., 1994, The Aegean Bronze Age (Cambridge World Archaeology), Cambridge University Press
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
Because we have x-rays that look like this:

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idiot, Craniofacial stuctures do not indicate skin tone
and what does Amenhatep have to do with Nofret ?
At least pick a female to make a point about a female.
And I know it's hard for you to get this but each individual is different.
You want to make an assumption that prognathism = dark skin support the theory with an academic study and then prove Nofret had prognathism, not any other person, her.
Otherwise you have no case
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

idiot, Craniofacial stuctures do not indicate skin tone..

We know that. But neither does artwork with faded paint either you real idiot!
quote:
and what does Amenhatep have to do with Nofret?
And what does Nofret or at least a portrait of her have anything to do with the topic of Tiye's hair or Egyptian hair in general? Your dumbass brings up Nofret even though your Nofret claims were debunked multiple times as well. [Embarrassed]
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At least pick a female to make a point about a female.
At least show some valid evidence to prove your point, twit.
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And I know it's hard for you to get this but each individual is different
And we know it's hard for you to get this countless individuals from dynastic times has been assessed and there is NO evidence of non-Africans either among royals or in the general populace until late dynastic times and particularly in the Delta. Unless you can prove Amarna royals like Tiye or even Giza royals like Nofret were not African or of 'mixed' ancestry, your dumbass will continue to be rebuked.
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You want to make an assumption that prognathism = dark skin support the theory with an academic study and then prove Nofret had prognathism, not any other person, her.
Otherwise you have no case

[Roll Eyes] Nobody is assuming prognathism correlates with dark skin anymore than orthognism correlates with light skin as was shown to you a while ago but unless you can prove Nofret, Tiye, or any other royal from pre-invasion times is of non-African ancestry, YOUR stupid ass has no case either!
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Anglo_idiot:

That pigmentation, a reddish-brown hue, falls within the range of Caucasoids. Its common around the Mediterranean, just take a look at Etruscan or Minoan art.

There is no such thing as Caucasoids, and the Egyptian reddish-brown or mahogany complexion is different from the tan complexion of Mediterranean Europeans. Africans YES, as the Mediterranean borders Africa as well. The Minoans by the way, are of mixed African and Asiatic background anyway.

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Most Greeks are also painted red-brown...

''Frescoes normally show eyes and hair as dark (one girl in the Xeste 3 fresco has reddish hair), skin conventionally as red-brown on males and white on females, as in Egypt. All are comparable with the colouring used on later Greek statues and paintings, and suggest that the early populations were similar in complexion and colouring to the ancient, and indeed the modern, Greeks, whom they might equally have resembled in variety of physical type.''
- Dickinson, O., 1994, The Aegean Bronze Age (Cambridge World Archaeology), Cambridge University Press

Again, the reddish brown of Greek males is not the same as Egyptian males and Egyptian women were not painted white but yellow. The artistic convention of dark males and light females among both Greeks and Egyptians may very well share a common origin but the complexions are not the same with the Egyptians being much darker. Also they definitely did not share the same physical type as noted by the actual bio-anthropologists who studied Egyptian remains and show them to be African. Therefore your appeal to authority fallacy with this weak source is debunked.
 
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
 
While you lot are all arguing over whether indigenous Africans can have less curly hair, what about all the ancient Egyptian art depicting people with curlier hair?

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I can't accept that all these examples of curly hair are wigs, as some of the people depicted are peasants or soldiers engaging in rigorous activity that would knock wigs off. Either the Egyptians were fond of extremely intricate braiding to an extent not usually seen among "Caucasians", or curly hair occurred quite frequently among them.

I have seen photos of dark-skinned Upper Egyptians with less curly hair, so I'm not really against the concept of Africans evolving wavier hair textures a la Australian aborigines, but even then I question whether it was the norm in ancient Egypt.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
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The paint faded off Nofret but miraculously did not fade on Rahotep.
yeah right idiots
 
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
Craniofacial stuctures do not indicate skin tone
Of course it does, lyingass. Since the yellow painted female portrayals are applied to people who had the same cranio-facial morphology as the males, it would mean their skin tone was not different than that of the males. Additionally, the portrayals in question differ only in skin tone, not in facial qualities. We see the same broad noses, and broad faces that we see in the male portrayals.

Case in point:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6014/6005426348_a9864aae87_b.jpg

If, according to you, the yellow skinned portrayals reflect the Ancient Egyptian love for redbones, they wouldn't have had the same skeletal morphologies. I mean, are you enough of a retard to suggest that modern day redbones like Beyonce and Zoe Saldana are only affected in skin color, and not in cranio-facial morphology? You must be even more retarded than I thought.

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and what does Amenhatep have to do with Nofret ? At least pick a female to make a point about a female.
Well, you've seen the papyrus depiction of Thuya, and you've also seen her mummy, which has been descriped as typically Egyptian. It has also been brought to your attention that some women were depicted both dark brown and yellow, in different portrayals. My end of the equation has been substantiated more than enough. What is the basis, for YOUR interpretation? Thought so, absolutely nothing, other than your ingrained pre conceived notions.

quote:
You want to make an assumption that prognathism = dark skin support the theory with an academic study and then prove Nofret had prognathism
What do you mean ''assumption''? Look at that slide, dufus. The more time progressed, the flatter their faces became.

quote:
and then prove Nofret had prognathism, not any other person, her.
Otherwise you have no case

Translation: I phucked up. The yellow skinned female portrayals are artistic, as evinced by the skeletal morphology of the female side of the population, so, in order to buy time and postpone another impending intellectual trashing, I'll distract from the general issue of yellow skin, and isolate Nofret. This way, I can try to ask for evidence, in the form of Nofret's remains, which I know aren't available for examination.

[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sahel (Siptah):
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
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FATHER OF QUEEN TIYE
Yuya the father of Queen Tiye was a powerful
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strange, portraits of yuya show him with an inner dipped flat nose in shape. i have yet to see yuya depicted with a convex type nose in his portraits as his mummy portrays him.
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   Halim El-Dabh is University Professor Emeritus of African Ethnomusicology at Kent State University, Kent, Ohio.  He continues to teach African Cultural Expressions. He has conducted ethnomusicological research in the Congo, Egypt, Ethiopia, Guinea, Mali, Morocco, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, and Zaire. Within the African Diaspora, his research includes Brazil, Jamaica, and the United States.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Anglo_Piss Pot:
Most Greeks are also painted red-brown...

''Frescoes normally show eyes and hair as dark (one girl in the Xeste 3 fresco has reddish hair), skin conventionally as red-brown on males and white on females, as in Egypt. All are comparable with the colouring used on later Greek statues and paintings, and suggest that the early populations were similar in complexion and colouring to the ancient, and indeed the modern, Greeks, whom they might equally have resembled in variety of physical type.''
- Dickinson, O., 1994, The Aegean Bronze Age (Cambridge World Archaeology), Cambridge University Press

lol at the above. Because light skin complexion already did develop in Africa. Long before Europeans became depigmented.

Despite of that,


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The Cambridge Ancient History

Volume 3 Part 3
The Expansion of the Greek World, Eighth to Sixth Centuries B.C.

Chapter Title
Chapter 36b: The Greeks in Egypt

Publication Date
1982

Author
T. F. R. G. Braun
Digital Object Identifier (DOI)
10.1017/CHOL9780521234474.003


Overview
Greek-Egyptian relations before Psammetichus I

Greeks arrived to settle in Egypt in the reign of Psammetichus I (664–610 B.C.). For the period that follows, Herodotus found that Egyptian and non-Egyptian information could be combined (II. 147). Thanks to Greek settlers mingling with the Egyptians, knowledge was now accurate (II. 154). Significantly, no Greek pottery datable to the period between Mycenaean times and 664 B.C. has so far been found in Egypt. Egyptian trinkets, on the other hand, were reaching the Greek world in the eighth century, and a bronze Egyptian jug at Lefkandi in Euboea would seem to date back as far as the ninth. These could have arrived by way of Phoenicia or Cyprus.

Some contact then, even if indirect, there must have been in the disturbed century before Psammetichus I. The Greeks retained some recollection of the Egyptian history of this time. We have seen how the king of Ethiopia and Egypt, who must have been Shabako (c. 716–c. 702 B.C.) in 711 surrendered Yamani of Ashdod, possibly a Greek (above, p. 16). This ‘Sabakōs’ is an historical figure for Herodotus (II. 137, 139) who in the fifth century could get a fair amount of information about the 25th (Nubian or Kushite) dynasty. Shabako's enemy was the delta king Bakenrenef son of Tefnakhte (c. 720–715 ?), whom he eventually captured and burnt alive. Bakenrenef, as Bocchoris, was to figure in Greek imagination, though Herodotus does not mention him. He is celebrated as a sagacious lawgiver in the Egyptian account of Diodorus (I. 45, 65, 79, 94) which derives from earlier Greek writing – probably in large measure from Hecataeus of Abdera, c. 300 B.C.


quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
Because we have x-rays that look like this:

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idiot, Craniofacial stuctures do not indicate skin tone
and what does Amenhatep have to do with Nofret ?
At least pick a female to make a point about a female.
And I know it's hard for you to get this but each individual is different.
You want to make an assumption that prognathism = dark skin support the theory with an academic study and then prove Nofret had prognathism, not any other person, her.
Otherwise you have no case

Adaptations to Climate-Mediated Selective Pressures in Humans


Angela M. Hancock et al.


Since human populations occupy a wide variety of environments with respect to climate, selective pressures are expected to vary greatly across geographic regions. Adaptations to spatially varying selective pressures are evident in the geographic distributions of many traits. For example, significant correlations exist between body mass and temperature [13]–[14], consistent with Bergmann's and Allen's Rules. Furthermore, there is evidence that human metabolism has been shaped by adaptations to cold stress from studies of arctic populations, which exhibit elevated basal metabolic rates compared to non-indigenous populations [15].

Like body mass, variation in skin pigmentation is strongly correlated with climate and geography, i.e. distance from the equator and solar radiation [16]–[17]. Lighter pigmentation is likely to be adaptive in high latitudes, in part, because UV light is needed to penetrate the skin to produce vitamin D [16]–[19], which is necessary for calcium absorption and bone growth.


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(A) Maps show the distributions of summer and winter climate variables: maximum summer temperature, minimum winter temperature and solar radiation, precipitation rate and relative humidity in the summer and winter. (B) A heatmap shows the absolute values of Spearman rank correlation coefficients between pairs of climate variables.


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Table 3. SNPs with the strongest signals of selection among those associated with phenotypic traits in GWAS.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Originally posted by Swenet:
We see the same broad noses

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you're going to have to quit on that broad nose thing now and ask Troll Patty to send you some thin nose Africas pics, lol
 
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
I'm talking about the male/female pairs, dumbo (see the link I posted). The females don't appear different when contrasted to the males, other than the painting job.

Posting narrow nosed portrayals of Hatshepsut isn't going to help your case either, as I've already schooled you on that specific topic. The nasal cavity of Hatshepsut's mummy is broad, not narrow. Again, you're only showing what a hypocrite you are. Didn't you say this a few days ago?

quote:
your excuse is more silly because you would even consider a painting over a mummy
Why focus on narrow nosed portrayals of Hatshepsut, when her mummy gives a totally different picture? Oh thats right, you're retarded.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
Why focus on narrow nosed portrayals of Hatshepsut, when her mummy gives a totally different picture.

You are the one who brought up the whole light beige skin thing.
You brought this art topic up, Yeah it was you Sweetnet, topic continues in AE, see Beyonce
 
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
Why focus on narrow nosed portrayals of Hatshepsut, when her mummy gives a totally different picture.

You are the one who brought up the whole light beige skin thing.
You brought this art topic up, Yeah it was you Sweetnet, topic continues in AE, see Beyonce

Even in your own interpretation of what this discussion is about, you're showing yourself to be a retard. Yes, I brought up the topic of yellow skinned females, so then, where are the yellow skinned portrayals of Hatshepsut?.
 
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
(isolates six words, and replies by picture spamming)

^Lioness running away from impending trashings:

quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:
Craniofacial stuctures do not indicate skin tone
Of course it does, lyingass. Since the yellow painted female portrayals are applied to people who had the same cranio-facial morphology as the males, it would mean their skin tone was not different than that of the males. Additionally, the portrayals in question differ only in skin tone, not in facial qualities. We see the same broad noses, and broad faces that we see in the male portrayals.

Case in point:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6014/6005426348_a9864aae87_b.jpg

If, according to you, the yellow skinned portrayals reflect the Ancient Egyptian love for redbones, they wouldn't have had the same skeletal morphologies. I mean, are you enough of a retard to suggest that modern day redbones like Beyonce and Zoe Saldana are only affected in skin color, and not in cranio-facial morphology? You must be even more retarded than I thought.

quote:
and what does Amenhatep have to do with Nofret ? At least pick a female to make a point about a female.
Well, you've seen the papyrus depiction of Thuya, and you've also seen her mummy, which has been descriped as typically Egyptian. It has also been brought to your attention that some women were depicted both dark brown and yellow, in different portrayals. My end of the equation has been substantiated more than enough. What is the basis, for YOUR interpretation? Thought so, absolutely nothing, other than your ingrained pre conceived notions.

quote:
You want to make an assumption that prognathism = dark skin support the theory with an academic study and then prove Nofret had prognathism
What do you mean ''assumption''? Look at that slide, dufus. The more time progressed, the flatter their faces became.

quote:
and then prove Nofret had prognathism, not any other person, her.
Otherwise you have no case

Translation: I phucked up. The yellow skinned female portrayals are artistic, as evinced by the skeletal morphology of the female side of the population, so, in order to buy time and postpone another impending intellectual trashing, I'll distract from the general issue of yellow skin, and isolate Nofret. This way, I can try to ask for evidence, in the form of Nofret's remains, which I know aren't available for examination.

[Roll Eyes]


 
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
 
Is this man a Moor(Mauritanian)



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   Halim El-Dabh is University Professor Emeritus of African Ethnomusicology at Kent State University, Kent, Ohio.  He continues to teach African Cultural Expressions. He has conducted ethnomusicological research in the Congo, Egypt, Ethiopia, Guinea, Mali, Morocco, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, and Zaire. Within the African Diaspora, his research includes Brazil, Jamaica, and the United States. [/qb][/QUOTE]
 
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:

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The Cambridge Ancient History

Volume 3 Part 3
The Expansion of the Greek World, Eighth to Sixth Centuries B.C.

Chapter Title
Chapter 36b: The Greeks in Egypt

Publication Date
1982

Author
T. F. R. G. Braun
Digital Object Identifier (DOI)
10.1017/CHOL9780521234474.003


Overview
Greek-Egyptian relations before Psammetichus I

Greeks arrived to settle in Egypt in the reign of Psammetichus I (664–610 B.C.). For the period that follows, Herodotus found that Egyptian and non-Egyptian information could be combined (II. 147). Thanks to Greek settlers mingling with the Egyptians, knowledge was now accurate (II. 154). Significantly, no Greek pottery datable to the period between Mycenaean times and 664 B.C. has so far been found in Egypt. Egyptian trinkets, on the other hand, were reaching the Greek world in the eighth century, and a bronze Egyptian jug at Lefkandi in Euboea would seem to date back as far as the ninth. These could have arrived by way of Phoenicia or Cyprus.

Some contact then, even if indirect, there must have been in the disturbed century before Psammetichus I. The Greeks retained some recollection of the Egyptian history of this time. We have seen how the king of Ethiopia and Egypt, who must have been Shabako (c. 716–c. 702 B.C.) in 711 surrendered Yamani of Ashdod, possibly a Greek (above, p. 16). This ‘Sabakōs’ is an historical figure for Herodotus (II. 137, 139) who in the fifth century could get a fair amount of information about the 25th (Nubian or Kushite) dynasty. Shabako's enemy was the delta king Bakenrenef son of Tefnakhte (c. 720–715 ?), whom he eventually captured and burnt alive. Bakenrenef, as Bocchoris, was to figure in Greek imagination, though Herodotus does not mention him. He is celebrated as a sagacious lawgiver in the Egyptian account of Diodorus (I. 45, 65, 79, 94) which derives from earlier Greek writing – probably in large measure from Hecataeus of Abdera, c. 300 B.C.


quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
Because we have x-rays that look like this:

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idiot, Craniofacial stuctures do not indicate skin tone
and what does Amenhatep have to do with Nofret ?
At least pick a female to make a point about a female.
And I know it's hard for you to get this but each individual is different.
You want to make an assumption that prognathism = dark skin support the theory with an academic study and then prove Nofret had prognathism, not any other person, her.
Otherwise you have no case

Adaptations to Climate-Mediated Selective Pressures in Humans


Angela M. Hancock et al.


Since human populations occupy a wide variety of environments with respect to climate, selective pressures are expected to vary greatly across geographic regions. Adaptations to spatially varying selective pressures are evident in the geographic distributions of many traits. For example, significant correlations exist between body mass and temperature [13]–[14], consistent with Bergmann's and Allen's Rules. Furthermore, there is evidence that human metabolism has been shaped by adaptations to cold stress from studies of arctic populations, which exhibit elevated basal metabolic rates compared to non-indigenous populations [15].

Like body mass, variation in skin pigmentation is strongly correlated with climate and geography, i.e. distance from the equator and solar radiation [16]–[17]. Lighter pigmentation is likely to be adaptive in high latitudes, in part, because UV light is needed to penetrate the skin to produce vitamin D [16]–[19], which is necessary for calcium absorption and bone growth.


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(A) Maps show the distributions of summer and winter climate variables: maximum summer temperature, minimum winter temperature and solar radiation, precipitation rate and relative humidity in the summer and winter. (B) A heatmap shows the absolute values of Spearman rank correlation coefficients between pairs of climate variables.


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Table 3. SNPs with the strongest signals of selection among those associated with phenotypic traits in GWAS.

Indeed. And while recent Arab or other Middle Eastern
movement has added admixture to the pot, the fundamental
core biological Africanity of Africa's peoples
remains in the central place. Bogus attempts to
label them out of existence will not work.

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

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The paint faded off Nofret but miraculously did not fade on Rahotep.
yeah right idiots

Again YOU are the idiot! YES Rahotep does have faded paint as well!

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In this lighting you can see the remnants of darker paint on the forehead, legs, etc.

Lyinass b.s. productions flushed. [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Truthcentric:

While you lot are all arguing over whether indigenous Africans can have less curly hair, what about all the ancient Egyptian art depicting people with curlier hair?

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I can't accept that all these examples of curly hair are wigs, as some of the people depicted are peasants or soldiers engaging in rigorous activity that would knock wigs off. Either the Egyptians were fond of extremely intricate braiding to an extent not usually seen among "Caucasians", or curly hair occurred quite frequently among them.

I have seen photos of dark-skinned Upper Egyptians with less curly hair, so I'm not really against the concept of Africans evolving wavier hair textures a la Australian aborigines, but even then I question whether it was the norm in ancient Egypt.

Truth. We've stated many times in this forum and on multiple threads that even today in modern Egypt, most Egyptians have kinky or frizzy type hair. Ausar has even shown pics of Cairene 'Arab' Egyptian youth with afros. The wavy hair types are common only in certain areas in the south and especially around the Sahara areas which as Swenet and I have shown may have originated.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
Greek depictions of Egyptians:

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http://www.shunpiking.com/bhs2007/image/OP-statue.jpg
 
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
 
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Originally posted by Djehuti:
Greek depictions of Egyptians:

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http://www.shunpiking.com/bhs2007/image/OP-statue.jpg

^ I've seen the cup labeled as depicting Busiris before, but if I may play devil's advocate, are you sure those statues depict Egyptians? I recognize some of the subjects' hairstyles from Egyptian artwork, so I'm inclined to believe you, but something confirming that they're meant to be Egyptians would be nice.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
We see the same broad noses

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you're going to have to quit on that broad nose thing now and ask Troll Patty to send you some thin nose Africas pics, lol

Well L'ass, that type of nose is very common in the region.


But hell, what do you know. You haven't been to Egypt. Not the North, the Middle or the South.lol


And no, those noses aren't thin, as you claim.


DIMWIT, impostor African American woman!


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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
Is this man a Moor(Mauritanian)



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   Halim El-Dabh is University Professor Emeritus of African Ethnomusicology at Kent State University, Kent, Ohio.  He continues to teach African Cultural Expressions. He has conducted ethnomusicological research in the Congo, Egypt, Ethiopia, Guinea, Mali, Morocco, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, and Zaire. Within the African Diaspora, his research includes Brazil, Jamaica, and the United States.

No he is Egyptian, from Middel Egypt. But I do love the comperison you've made. It shows the uniformity. [Wink]

My goal was to show how his hair was thick Afro texture and got thin as he got older. I've been explaining this to L'asshole for a long time, but I didn't have the proper example, until now.


http://www.halimeldabh.com/
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
I'm talking about the male/female pairs, dumbo (see the link I posted). The females don't appear different when contrasted to the males, other than the painting job.

Posting narrow nosed portrayals of Hatshepsut isn't going to help your case either, as I've already schooled you on that specific topic. The nasal cavity of Hatshepsut's mummy is broad, not narrow. Again, you're only showing what a hypocrite you are. Didn't you say this a few days ago?

quote:
your excuse is more silly because you would even consider a painting over a mummy
Why focus on narrow nosed portrayals of Hatshepsut, when her mummy gives a totally different picture? Oh thats right, you're retarded.
This is true, I have awesome pictures from very close up.

I can email them to you if you like?
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
skeletal records shows females depicted in this manner to be every bit as African looking as their male counterparts.


this is a bogus amaeturish statement "skeletal records shows....African looking"


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KV35 Elder Lady aka Queen Tiye

this doesn't look like African hair. African hair is frizzy.
The hair is in it's natural state unless there is evidence otherwise
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It's funny how you keep using this image with over exposure in light. Even the first image shows different.lol


Anyway, the hair is thick and curly and the ends of the hair show "frizzy". Not bone straight, impostor black woman.


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Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
I'm talking about the male/female pairs, dumbo (see the link I posted). The females don't appear different when contrasted to the males, other than the painting job.

Posting narrow nosed portrayals of Hatshepsut isn't going to help your case either, as I've already schooled you on that specific topic. The nasal cavity of Hatshepsut's mummy is broad, not narrow. Again, you're only showing what a hypocrite you are. Didn't you say this a few days ago?

quote:
your excuse is more silly because you would even consider a painting over a mummy
Why focus on narrow nosed portrayals of Hatshepsut, when her mummy gives a totally different picture? Oh thats right, you're retarded.
This is true, I have awesome pictures from very close up.

I can email them to you if you like?

Please PM me some too.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Truthcentric:
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
I'm talking about the male/female pairs, dumbo (see the link I posted). The females don't appear different when contrasted to the males, other than the painting job.

Posting narrow nosed portrayals of Hatshepsut isn't going to help your case either, as I've already schooled you on that specific topic. The nasal cavity of Hatshepsut's mummy is broad, not narrow. Again, you're only showing what a hypocrite you are. Didn't you say this a few days ago?

quote:
your excuse is more silly because you would even consider a painting over a mummy
Why focus on narrow nosed portrayals of Hatshepsut, when her mummy gives a totally different picture? Oh thats right, you're retarded.
This is true, I have awesome pictures from very close up.

I can email them to you if you like?

Please PM me some too.
No, it's exclusive for Zarahan.
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
Is this man a Moor(Mauritanian)



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   Halim El-Dabh is University Professor Emeritus of African Ethnomusicology at Kent State University, Kent, Ohio.  He continues to teach African Cultural Expressions. He has conducted ethnomusicological research in the Congo, Egypt, Ethiopia, Guinea, Mali, Morocco, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, and Zaire. Within the African Diaspora, his research includes Brazil, Jamaica, and the United States.

No he is Egyptian, from Middel Egypt. But I do love the comperison you've made. It shows the uniformity. [Wink]

My goal was to show how his hair was thick Afro texture and got thin as he got older. I've been explaining this to L'asshole for a long time, but I didn't have the proper example, until now.


http://www.halimeldabh.com/

Oh - OK Patrol - wasn't sure exactly what you were trying to portray here.lol!
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Neanderdummy! - you keep missing the point that Yuya's hair has been TREATED WITH CHEMICALS therefore he probably didn't even have as much EURASIATIC blood as the black Somali I posted here. [Roll Eyes]
YOU LOSE!

If someone had wavy straight hair to begin with and it was treated with mummification chemicals he would still have wavy straight hair.

You think he had an afro but it was altered by mummification chemicals?
Why do you think he had an afro when there is no evidence he had an afro ?

i personally didn't say anything about an Afro. And if he did have an afro that's exactly how it would have turned OUT! STRAIGHTENED!

You mentioned mummification chemicals for a reason.
The idea that these chemicals would straighten afro hair is possible but theoretical.

No one asked for your opinions Neanderdull - I know u aren't familiar with chemical relaxing being what you are, but, it was proven long time ago that hair color and texture are drastically changed through the chemicals used in the mummification process in Egypt. It caused oxidation and breakage of the bonds that cause curliness or kink. It literally RELAXES the hair.

As a consequence, all of the hair that you will find on ancient Egyptian mummies are NOT going to be in their "natural state". So your wish that Tiye's hair looked similar to a European's is just that - a wish. [Wink]


Was Tiye not mummified?!
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
^^^^ notice Ms. dana doesn't think that the wavy type straight hair is African. She thinks the mummification chemicals did it.

There is nothing below that is certain to be afro kinky hair or a wig a wig

quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by Truthcentric:

While you lot are all arguing over whether indigenous Africans can have less curly hair, what about all the ancient Egyptian art depicting people with curlier hair?

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I can't accept that all these examples of curly hair are wigs, as some of the people depicted are peasants or soldiers engaging in rigorous activity that would knock wigs off. Either the Egyptians were fond of extremely intricate braiding to an extent not usually seen among "Caucasians", or curly hair occurred quite frequently among them.

I have seen photos of dark-skinned Upper Egyptians with less curly hair, so I'm not really against the concept of Africans evolving wavier hair textures a la Australian aborigines, but even then I question whether it was the norm in ancient Egypt.

Truth. We've stated many times in this forum and on multiple threads that even today in modern Egypt, most Egyptians have kinky or frizzy type hair. Ausar has even shown pics of Cairene 'Arab' Egyptian youth with afros. The wavy hair types are common only in certain areas in the south and especially around the Sahara areas which as Swenet and I have shown may have originated.
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:

We've stated many times in this forum and on multiple threads that even today in modern Egypt, most Egyptians have kinky or frizzy type hair.


The topic is ancient Egyptians you low life piece of human scum.
As per most modern Egyptians having kinky hair where is one study showing that, you chunk of vomit?
As per ancient Egyptians show one study showing that their hair was predominantly kinky you rancid piece of fly ridden dog crap?

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Originally posted by Swenet:
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Sources:

The Archological Survey of Nubia: Report For 1907-1908
-G. Elliot Smith,F. Wood Jones

Crania Ægyptiaca, or, Observations on Egyptian ethnography
-Samuel George Morton

The specific pages from the book will have to wait. Imageshack is acting up. will be back tonight.


 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
^^^^ notice Ms. dana doesn't think that the wavy type straight hair is African. She thinks the mummification chemicals did it.

There is nothing below that is certain to be afro kinky hair or a wig a wig

quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
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Originally posted by Truthcentric:

While you lot are all arguing over whether indigenous Africans can have less curly hair, what about all the ancient Egyptian art depicting people with curlier hair?

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I can't accept that all these examples of curly hair are wigs, as some of the people depicted are peasants or soldiers engaging in rigorous activity that would knock wigs off. Either the Egyptians were fond of extremely intricate braiding to an extent not usually seen among "Caucasians", or curly hair occurred quite frequently among them.

I have seen photos of dark-skinned Upper Egyptians with less curly hair, so I'm not really against the concept of Africans evolving wavier hair textures a la Australian aborigines, but even then I question whether it was the norm in ancient Egypt.

Truth. We've stated many times in this forum and on multiple threads that even today in modern Egypt, most Egyptians have kinky or frizzy type hair. Ausar has even shown pics of Cairene 'Arab' Egyptian youth with afros. The wavy hair types are common only in certain areas in the south and especially around the Sahara areas which as Swenet and I have shown may have originated.
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:

We've stated many times in this forum and on multiple threads that even today in modern Egypt, most Egyptians have kinky or frizzy type hair.


The topic is ancient Egyptians you low life piece of human scum.
As per most modern Egyptians having kinky hair where is one study showing that, you chunk of vomit?
As per ancient Egyptians show one study showing that their hair was predominantly kinky you rancid piece of fly ridden dog crap?

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Originally posted by Swenet:
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Sources:

The Archological Survey of Nubia: Report For 1907-1908
-G. Elliot Smith,F. Wood Jones

Crania Ægyptiaca, or, Observations on Egyptian ethnography
-Samuel George Morton

The specific pages from the book will have to wait. Imageshack is acting up. will be back tonight.


Yawn Boring!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRlQEmumk5s


Khor Bahan.


1. The Early A-Group inhabited the northern part of Lower Nubia and was contemporary with the latter part of Egypt's Amratian, culture and early Gerzian. The richest cemetery was located at Khor Bahan. This phase was also coexistent with a Sudanese Neolithic culture called the Abkan, which dominated the region at the Second Cataract in Batn el-Hagar. The true relationship between the Egyptian Predynastic culture and the Early A-Group is not yet fully understood.


http://www.numibia.net/nubia/a-group.htm
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
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Originally posted by the lioness:
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Originally posted by dana marniche:
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Originally posted by the lioness:
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Originally posted by dana marniche:
Neanderdummy! - you keep missing the point that Yuya's hair has been TREATED WITH CHEMICALS therefore he probably didn't even have as much EURASIATIC blood as the black Somali I posted here. [Roll Eyes]
YOU LOSE!

If someone had wavy straight hair to begin with and it was treated with mummification chemicals he would still have wavy straight hair.

You think he had an afro but it was altered by mummification chemicals?
Why do you think he had an afro when there is no evidence he had an afro ?

i personally didn't say anything about an Afro. And if he did have an afro that's exactly how it would have turned OUT! STRAIGHTENED!

You mentioned mummification chemicals for a reason.
The idea that these chemicals would straighten afro hair is possible but theoretical.

No one asked for your opinions Neanderdull - I know u aren't familiar with chemical relaxing being what you are, but, it was proven long time ago that hair color and texture are drastically changed through the chemicals used in the mummification process in Egypt. It caused oxidation and breakage of the bonds that cause curliness or kink. It literally RELAXES the hair.

As a consequence, all of the hair that you will find on ancient Egyptian mummies are NOT going to be in their "natural state". So your wish that Tiye's hair looked similar to a European's is just that - a wish. [Wink]


Was Tiye not mummified?!

lol it's funny, because every time when this person speaks of hair of Africans, you'll get the stereotypical hair texture. Hence the opening of this thread. While there are many textures considering the location, even within kinky and peppercorn San like there is variety, going to very loose curly hair.


Literally in everything L'ass writes it exposes L'ass to be a fake African American woman. Who is completely numb on the hair "issue".lol


L'ass also never explained why not all Africans have peppercorn hair texture.


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Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
I'm talking about the male/female pairs, dumbo (see the link I posted). The females don't appear different when contrasted to the males, other than the painting job.

Posting narrow nosed portrayals of Hatshepsut isn't going to help your case either, as I've already schooled you on that specific topic. The nasal cavity of Hatshepsut's mummy is broad, not narrow. Again, you're only showing what a hypocrite you are. Didn't you say this a few days ago?

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your excuse is more silly because you would even consider a painting over a mummy
Why focus on narrow nosed portrayals of Hatshepsut, when her mummy gives a totally different picture? Oh thats right, you're retarded.
This is true, I have awesome pictures from very close up.

I can email them to you if you like?

Thanks, but I've already seen some of them.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

notice Ms. dana doesn't think that the wavy type straight hair is African. She thinks the mummification chemicals did it.

What I actually notice are your usual LIES, particularly your awful habit of distorting what others have said. Dana knows that wavy type hair is African as she has acknowledged that among African groups like the Kanuri and Fulani. She just thinks in that in the case of Tiye, her hair was altered by embalming chemicals of mummification. So stop twisting Dana's words, lying twit!

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There is nothing below that is certain to be afro kinky hair or a wig.

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Then what the hell do you call the those things on their heads? Hats?! LOL

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The topic is ancient Egyptians you low life piece of human scum.
As per most modern Egyptians having kinky hair where is one study showing that, you chunk of vomit?
As per ancient Egyptians show one study showing that their hair was predominantly kinky you rancid piece of fly ridden dog crap?

Oh my. It looks like someone hit a nerve. LOL
I know the topic is ancient Egyptians, my lying twit. My statement on modern Egyptian hair should be related to the issue of the hair of their ancestors. Unless you believe that kinky hair even among Delta Egyptians was introduced by foreigners. LOL My statement is not based on studies so much as my personal observation of Egyptians both on TV and in real life, not to mention what was stated by an ACTUAL EGYPTIAN, (Ausar). A rational person would count all the aforementioned as evidence enough but since you are not rational I doubt even studies of mummies would quell your warped little mind. Hell we present studies of mummies to you all the time and you try to distort or attempt an acrobatic escape from what they say, you black-face, lying, white trash. [Smile]

quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:


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Sources:

The Archological Survey of Nubia: Report For 1907-1908
-G. Elliot Smith,F. Wood Jones

Crania Ægyptiaca, or, Observations on Egyptian ethnography
-Samuel George Morton

The specific pages from the book will have to wait. Imageshack is acting up. will be back tonight.

Correct. Even studies on NUBIAN remains show loose wavy hair. Nubia is far in the south yet their hair is wavy. Does this mean Nubians are 'mixed'? This finding in no way contradicts my earlier claim of many Egyptians including Lower Egyptians in the Delta having kinky hair.

In fact, this reminds me that the majority of mummies that we have are southern in origin as opposed to northern.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
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Originally posted by Truthcentric:

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(Egyptian king Busiris on left, Heracles on right)
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http://www.shunpiking.com/bhs2007/image/OP-statue.jpg

I've seen the cup labeled as depicting Busiris before, but if I may play devil's advocate, are you sure those statues depict Egyptians? I recognize some of the subjects' hairstyles from Egyptian artwork, so I'm inclined to believe you, but something confirming that they're meant to be Egyptians would be nice.

I understand what you're saying, but according to all my sources on the subject, they all depict what Greeks knew as 'Libyans' or Africans and those the Greeks were most familiar with are Egyptians and Libyans proper. The cup labeled as 'Busiris' is done so because the vase is suppose to depict Heracles on one side and his African foe 'Busiris' on the other.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:

lol it's funny, because every time when this person speaks of hair of Africans, you'll get the stereotypical hair texture. Hence the opening of this thread. While there are many textures considering the location, even within kinky and peppercorn San like there is variety, going to very loose curly hair.

Literally in everything L'ass writes it exposes L'ass to be a fake African American woman. Who is completely numb on the hair "issue".lol

L'ass also never explained why not all Africans have peppercorn hair texture.

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Correct. Peppercorn hair is the most extreme case of hair coiling, being the tightest coiled hair texture. It is found not only among the Khoisan but even among some east African groups like the Hadzabe and some central African groups. So why do most populations in Sub-Sahara have kinky hair that is more loose than peppercorn hair?? Is this due to admixture from Eurasians like caca-soids? LOL Even the Anglo-Idiot claims Khoisan to be part Cacasoid yet they have the tightest coiled hair! LOL
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
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Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
^^^Troll Patty, why do you waste everybody's time posting random people with unknown ancestry and frizzy hair? It proves nothing
I know you just like posting pretty pictures.
 
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
 
The same reason why you love posting random Indians and Arabs and Europeans with unknown ancestry

Keep it coming Troll Patrol.
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
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the woman has frizzy hair. This is supposed to resemble Queen Tiye's mummy?


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look at this mummy, you see no frizzy hair even where the hair meets the scalp. There is no evidence of even a small amount of frizziness.
This is not a thread called "your favorite cherry picked pictures of modern Egyptians/Horners"
It's about this mummy

Mybe we can cehck out some South Africans, they're high on the DNATribes list. Maybe there's some tribe with long wavy hair

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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
For the person above ^.


Besides sickle cell and tropical adaption, the mummy too shows a alveolar prognathic African woman with overbite. Get real, will ya'!lol


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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
The same reason why you love posting random Indians and Arabs and Europeans with unknown ancestry

Keep it coming Troll Patrol.

Yes, I will. And of course there is no explanation on why not all Africans have peppercorn hair texture. See how easy it is when the table is reversed.lol


It's funny how this person keeps showing that overexposure light picture. Even despite of that, still the facial traits show typical of that region. A alveolar prognathic African woman with overbite.


When actually this is the right light.


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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/elderlady01tomb-kv35.jpg?w=500

look at this mummy, you see no frizzy hair even where the hair meets the scalp. There is no evidence of even a small amount of frizziness.
This is not a thread called "your favorite cherry picked pictures of modern Egyptians/Horners"
It's about this mummy

Mybe we can cehck out some South Africans, they're high on the DNATribes list. Maybe there's some tribe with long wavy hair


Where did I write any of what you claim I did? What I showed is the phenotypic similarities.


Truth be told, the image you keep posting shows light overexposure. And no matter how many alter names you popup with. Your racist bigot ass will always be defeated. See how you ran from the Baggara Arabs. No way could it be true, according to your bigot racist arsenal. lol


Besides sickle cell and tropical adaption, the mummy too shows a alveolar prognathic African woman with overbite. Just like Tut and the rest of his family. In the meanwhile evidence kept stacking against you.


Below, you can see what the mummy actually looks like, in proper light. And the link gives a blown up version for closer inspection.


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http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/2011/03/22/mummy-zoom.jpg


Tests show King Tut died from malaria, study says


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King Tut died from sickle-cell disease, not malaria

King Tutankhamun died from sickle-cell disease, not malaria, say experts. A team from Hamburg's Bernhard Noct Institute for Tropical Medicine (BNI) claim the disease is a far likelier cause of death than the combination of bone disorders and malaria put forward by Egyptian experts earlier this year.


The BNI team argues that theories offered by Egyptian experts, led by antiquities tsar Zahi Hawass, are based on data that can be interpreted otherwise. They say further analysis of the data will confirm or deny their work. Hawass' claim, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association this February, and followed by a swarm of accompanying television shows, claimed King Tut suffered from Kohler's disease, a bone disorder prohibiting blood flow, before succumbing to malaria.


Multiple bone disorders, including one in Tutankhamun's left foot, led to the Kohler's diagnosis, while segments of a malarial parasite were found via DNA testing. Yet the BNI team claims the latter results are incorrect. “Malaria in combination with Köhler's disease causing Tutankhamun's early death seems unlikely to us,” say Prof Christian Meyer and Dr Christian Timmann.


Instead the BNI team feels sickle-cell disease (SCD), a genetic blood disorder, is a more likely reason for the Pharaoh's death aged just 19. The disease occurs in 9 to 22 per cent of people living in the Egyptian oases, and gives a better chance of surviving malaria; the infestation halted by sickled cells.


They say the disease occurs frequently in malarial regions like the River Nile, and that it would account for the bone defects found on his body.


“The genetic predisposition for (SCD) can be found in regions where malaria frequently occurs, including ancient and modern Egypt.” says Meyer. “The disease can only manifest itself when a sickle cell trait is inherited from both parents: it is a so-called 'recessive inheritance'.” A family tree for the Pharaoh suggested by Hawass himself appears to back the BNI team's case.


The relatively old age of Tutankhamun's parents and relatives – up to 50 years – means they could very well have carried sickle-cell traits, and could therefore have been highly resistant to malaria. The high likelihood that King Tut's parents were siblings means he could have inherited the sickle cell trait from both and suffered from SCD.


“Sickle-cell disease is an important differential diagnosis: one that existing DNA material can probably confirm or rule out,” conclude Timmann and Meyer. They suggest that further testing of ancient Egyptian royal mummies should bear their conclusions in mind.


King Tut's young demise has long been a source of speculation. As well as malaria, recent decades have seen scholars argue that he was murdered, and that he died from infection caused by a broken leg.


http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/king-tut-died-from-sicklecell-disease-not-malaria-2010531.html


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http://www.globalpost.com/photo/5678336/taxi-driver-mummified


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http://www.nationalgeographicstock.com/ngsimages/explore/explorecomp.jsf?xsys=SE&id=1344436


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Akenaton and his mother, Queen Tiy.


http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/akenatonkarnak.html


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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Watch the lyinass worm wriggle. [Smile]
 
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
 
How come I'm not able to find photos of this Khoisan mummy that was supposedly found in South Africa?

http://www.mummytombs.com/mummylocator/group/khoi.htm

I'd really like to take a look at its hair.

This might also be pertinent:

Probable Human Hair Found In a Fossil Hyaena Coprolite From Gladysvale Cave, South Africa
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
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As for the portrait of Nofret, how many times must we tell the dumb b|tch that the original complexion of the portrait was YELLOW not pale or pallor and you can see that original yellow paint has faded off.
Remember when White Nord et al were fond of using Ka-aper as evidence for a white Egypt?

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Only to have their hopes and expectations shattered when faced with other, more intact (color wise) depictions of Ka-aper:

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Some people just doesn't get it, lol.

yep - talk about getting hopes dashed - This is called getting pulverized!lol!
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Watch the lyinass worm wriggle. [Smile]

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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
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As for the portrait of Nofret, how many times must we tell the dumb b|tch that the original complexion of the portrait was YELLOW not pale or pallor and you can see that original yellow paint has faded off.
Remember when White Nord et al were fond of using Ka-aper as evidence for a white Egypt?

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Only to have their hopes and expectations shattered when faced with other, more intact (color wise) depictions of Ka-aper:

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Some people just doesn't get it, lol.

yep - talk about getting hopes dashed - This is called getting pulverized!lol!
Seriously?lol


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Posted by KoKaKoLa (Member # 19312) on :
 

 
Posted by MissJennifer (Member # 16083) on :
 
I find it very disturbing how the black posters on here are desperately trying so hard to prove that indigenous Africans can have straight/wavy type hair without any concrete evidence or proof. It screams of self hate and I am offended. Just what is so horrible about admitting that most black Africans have kinky coily type hair? And that straighter hair comes from non-black ancestry? Its true, most black people do have coily hair and typically loose textured hair does come from raical mixing. It's almost as if some of the posters here resent what black people look like in their purest form.
 
Posted by MissJennifer (Member # 16083) on :
 
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Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
Is this man a Moor(Mauritanian)



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   Halim El-Dabh is University Professor Emeritus of African Ethnomusicology at Kent State University, Kent, Ohio.  He continues to teach African Cultural Expressions. He has conducted ethnomusicological research in the Congo, Egypt, Ethiopia, Guinea, Mali, Morocco, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, and Zaire. Within the African Diaspora, his research includes Brazil, Jamaica, and the United States.

No he is Egyptian, from Middel Egypt. But I do love the comperison you've made. It shows the uniformity. [Wink]

My goal was to show how his hair was thick Afro texture and got thin as he got older. I've been explaining this to L'asshole for a long time, but I didn't have the proper example, until now.


http://www.halimeldabh.com/

Who are you trying to fool? It's obvious that the man decided to blow his hair out once he got older. And by looking at the texture of his hair, he has more of a mixed race texture of hair.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
lol^


quote:
Originally posted by MissJennifer:
I find it very disturbing how the black posters on here are desperately trying so hard to prove that indigenous Africans can have straight/wavy type hair without any concrete evidence or proof. It screams of self hate and I am offended. Just what is so horrible about admitting that most black Africans have kinky coily type hair? And that straighter hair comes from non-black ancestry? Its true, most black people do have coily hair and typically loose textured hair does come from raical mixing. It's almost as if some of the posters here resent what black people look like in their purest form.

Sheneneh, what you need to do is explain why all Africans despite of living in a totally different habitat and environment for thousands of years, need to have peppercorn hair.


I am waiting...?


Second, have you ever been to any of these locations? It really does help. lol


quote:
Morphological characteristics ...like skin color, hair form, bone traits, eyes, and lips tend to follow geographic boundaries coinciding often with climatic zones . This is not surprising since the selective forces of climate are probably the primary forces of nature that have shaped human races with regard not only to skin color and hair form but also the underlying bony structures of the nose, cheekbones, etc. (For example, more prominent noses humidify air better.) As far as we know, blood-factor frequencies are not shaped by these same climatic factors


Gill, George W. Does Race Exist? A Proponent's Perspective. University of Wyoming, 2000


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Posted by MissJennifer (Member # 16083) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
lol^


quote:
Originally posted by MissJennifer:
I find it very disturbing how the black posters on here are desperately trying so hard to prove that indigenous Africans can have straight/wavy type hair without any concrete evidence or proof. It screams of self hate and I am offended. Just what is so horrible about admitting that most black Africans have kinky coily type hair? And that straighter hair comes from non-black ancestry? Its true, most black people do have coily hair and typically loose textured hair does come from raical mixing. It's almost as if some of the posters here resent what black people look like in their purest form.

Sheneneh, what you need to do is explain why all Africans despite of living in a totally different habitat and environment for thousands of years, need to have peppercorn hair.


I am waiting...?


Second, have you ever been to any of these locations? It really does help. lol


quote:
Morphological characteristics ...like skin color, hair form, bone traits, eyes, and lips tend to follow geographic boundaries coinciding often with climatic zones . This is not surprising since the selective forces of climate are probably the primary forces of nature that have shaped human races with regard not only to skin color and hair form but also the underlying bony structures of the nose, cheekbones, etc. (For example, more prominent noses humidify air better.) As far as we know, blood-factor frequencies are not shaped by these same climatic factors


Gill, George W. Does Race Exist? A Proponent's Perspective. University of Wyoming, 2000


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Again, my name is NOT Sheneneh, you should address me by my username.

For someone who so desperately wants to defend black people, you show absolutely no respect for black women by addressing me by a name that is meant in a derogatory way.

I wonder, do you view the black ancient egyptian women you so desperately want to claim as "Shenenehs"?

Besides, how do you even know what culture I come from? I am a black woman, however that doesn't mean I reside in a culture where a name like Sheneneh even exists.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MissJennifer:
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
lol^


quote:
Originally posted by MissJennifer:
I find it very disturbing how the black posters on here are desperately trying so hard to prove that indigenous Africans can have straight/wavy type hair without any concrete evidence or proof. It screams of self hate and I am offended. Just what is so horrible about admitting that most black Africans have kinky coily type hair? And that straighter hair comes from non-black ancestry? Its true, most black people do have coily hair and typically loose textured hair does come from raical mixing. It's almost as if some of the posters here resent what black people look like in their purest form.

Sheneneh, what you need to do is explain why all Africans despite of living in a totally different habitat and environment for thousands of years, need to have peppercorn hair.


I am waiting...?


Second, have you ever been to any of these locations? It really does help. lol


quote:
Morphological characteristics ...like skin color, hair form, bone traits, eyes, and lips tend to follow geographic boundaries coinciding often with climatic zones . This is not surprising since the selective forces of climate are probably the primary forces of nature that have shaped human races with regard not only to skin color and hair form but also the underlying bony structures of the nose, cheekbones, etc. (For example, more prominent noses humidify air better.) As far as we know, blood-factor frequencies are not shaped by these same climatic factors


Gill, George W. Does Race Exist? A Proponent's Perspective. University of Wyoming, 2000


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Again, my name is NOT Sheneneh, you should address me by my username.

For someone who so desperately wants to defend black people, you show absolutely no respect for black women by addressing me by a name that is meant in a derogatory way.

I wonder, do you view the black ancient egyptian women you so desperately want to claim as "Shenenehs"?

Besides, how do you even know what culture I come from? I am a black woman, however that doesn't mean I reside in a culture where a name like Sheneneh even exists.

Yeah yeah yeah, and you don't know the culture I come from.


Now, address the questions...thanks.
 
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
 
^^LOL at the lame "black feminist" troll persona,
as if anyone is being fooled by the bogus "black woman.."
Pathetic lamers...
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ She does have a point though about using ad-hominem attacks on her. Instead of calling her names like 'shenehneh' which is insulting to black women, why not just attack her erroneous beliefs?
quote:
Originally posted by MissJennifer:

I find it very disturbing how the black posters on here are desperately trying so hard to prove that indigenous Africans can have straight/wavy type hair without any concrete evidence or proof. It screams of self hate and I am offended. Just what is so horrible about admitting that most black Africans have kinky coily type hair? And that straighter hair comes from non-black ancestry? Its true, most black people do have coily hair and typically loose textured hair does come from raical mixing. It's almost as if some of the posters here resent what black people look like in their purest form.

If you read this entire thread, you would know that we DID offer proof and evidence that wavy hair is NOT to be identified with mixture among Africans?! You mean to tell me that isolated peoples in the Sahara and in Chad and Niger who had NO contact with non-Africans are somehow "mixed" because they have wavy hair, despite how BLACK they look??!
 
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
why don't people have afros in Russia?
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Why don't you leave this forum to intelligent folks and seek pyschiatric help?
 
Posted by Sahel (Siptah) (Member # 17601) on :
 
lmao djehuti @ seek psychiatric help. man you are a funny guy.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ LOL Really? I didn't even mean to be funny; I was actually serious! [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
I did not attack anyone, "she" was called out after "her" behavior. "She" attacked Sahara Africans who don't comprise the stereotype peppercorn hair texture, "she" is familiar with.


Think about that. [Wink]


quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ She does have a point though about using ad-hominem attacks on her. Instead of calling her names like 'shenehneh' which is insulting to black women, why not just attack her erroneous beliefs?
quote:
Originally posted by MissJennifer:

I find it very disturbing how the black posters on here are desperately trying so hard to prove that indigenous Africans can have straight/wavy type hair without any concrete evidence or proof. It screams of self hate and I am offended. Just what is so horrible about admitting that most black Africans have kinky coily type hair? And that straighter hair comes from non-black ancestry? Its true, most black people do have coily hair and typically loose textured hair does come from raical mixing. It's almost as if some of the posters here resent what black people look like in their purest form.

If you read this entire thread, you would know that we DID offer proof and evidence that wavy hair is NOT to be identified with mixture among Africans?! You mean to tell me that isolated peoples in the Sahara and in Chad and Niger who had NO contact with non-Africans are somehow "mixed" because they have wavy hair, despite how BLACK they look??!
quote:
Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova:
^^LOL at the lame "black feminist" troll persona,
as if anyone is being fooled by the bogus "black woman.."
Pathetic lamers...

All I can say is, cosign! As if I was suppose to be impressed. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ I understand what you're saying but just to be cautious we should keep away from the ad-hominem tactics until we're certain that she's a troll, but considering the crap that goes around here I wouldn't at all be surprised. [Embarrassed]
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:

I did not attack anyone, "she" was called out after "her" behavior. "She" attacked Sahara Africans who don't comprise the stereotype peppercorn hair texture, "she" is familiar with.

You mean the kinky hair texture! LOL Most people are familiar with 'kinky' hair texture which is actually looser and more relaxed than the peppercorn texture that is actually the tightest coiled! But I get your point.

By the way, what do you make of this old source?

East African local race, a subgroup, roughly corresponding to a breeding isolate in genetics, of the Negroid (African) geographic race, comprising the populations of East Africa and The Sudan. The physical type of the East African local race is primarily one of adaptation to a hot, dry climate; it is marked by long, thin body build, long, narrow face and nose, and moderate to heavy skin pigmentation. The Sudanese peoples are dark-skinned and extremely tall and thin (linear) in build. The other East African populations are also more or less linear in build and somewhat lighter skinned than the Sudanese. All have dark eyes and dark hair, wavy to frizzy in texture.
Encyclopedia Britannica Vol. 4

According to Britannica, apparently "Negroid" Africans can have wavy hair.
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ I understand what you're saying but just to be cautious we should keep away from the ad-hominem tactics until we're certain that she's a troll, but considering the crap that goes around here I wouldn't at all be surprised. [Embarrassed]
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:

I did not attack anyone, "she" was called out after "her" behavior. "She" attacked Sahara Africans who don't comprise the stereotype peppercorn hair texture, "she" is familiar with.

You mean the kinky hair texture! LOL Most people are familiar with 'kinky' hair texture which is actually looser and more relaxed than the peppercorn texture that is actually the tightest coiled! But I get your point.

By the way, what do you make of this old source?

East African local race, a subgroup, roughly corresponding to a breeding isolate in genetics, of the Negroid (African) geographic race, comprising the populations of East Africa and The Sudan. The physical type of the East African local race is primarily one of adaptation to a hot, dry climate; it is marked by long, thin body build, long, narrow face and nose, and moderate to heavy skin pigmentation. The Sudanese peoples are dark-skinned and extremely tall and thin (linear) in build. The other East African populations are also more or less linear in build and somewhat lighter skinned than the Sudanese. All have dark eyes and dark hair, wavy to frizzy in texture.
Encyclopedia Britannica Vol. 4

According to Britannica, apparently "Negroid" Africans can have wavy hair.

No, I used the peppercorn hair texture on purpose as an example. Because it is the tightest in curls.

And in kinky texture hair there is variety as well. So my question still stands, to Jennifer/ toothless Lioness. Why do people from a different region and climate zone need to have peppercorn hair, why couldn't they have developed loser hair texture, in a climate fit for this, after thousands of years?
 
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
Bumb,


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Posted by Dinkum (Member # 22875) on :
 
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Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
The Descendants of Queen Tiye still in Egypt??..

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The Kemmemou purposely made a Dark Reddish Brown bust of a White Woman out of Yew Heart Wood when they could have used the Yellow instead of the Reddish Brown Heart Wood..

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Right...

You Euroclowns are something else...


Queen Tiyes parents were NATURAL BLONDES:

Check out the straight fine Caucasian hair on Queen Tiyes parents:

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/new-research-shows-some-ancient-egyptians-were-naturally-fair-haired-005812
 
Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
 
Dinkum lets suppose for the sake of argument that her hair was wavy and her parents were natural blondes. Lets even suppose that this was because of Eurasian ancestry.

...So what? You're dealing with a period in history that would've been after the mass migrations of Caananites into the area. Hundreds of years after the reunification of Egypt in fact. So why couldn't upper Egyptians have some non African influences that had been affecting northern Egypt for a long time? And why do you pretend in your selectively bumping topics to prove "race" (shouldn't that type of stuff be in Deshret) that dark skinned people with wavy hair from Africa are not politically treated as blacks? Why do you pretend as though many of the blacks that live in your European countries being treated like dirt aren't without "Eurasian" mixtures? You guys don't stop treating people as black if they have a "Caucasoid" bone structure and wavy hair so why do you act as though you do?
 
Posted by HabariTess (Member # 19629) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Dinkum:
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Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
The Descendants of Queen Tiye still in Egypt??..

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The Kemmemou purposely made a Dark Reddish Brown bust of a White Woman out of Yew Heart Wood when they could have used the Yellow instead of the Reddish Brown Heart Wood..

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Right...

You Euroclowns are something else...


Queen Tiyes parents were NATURAL BLONDES:

Check out the straight fine Caucasian hair on Queen Tiyes parents:

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/new-research-shows-some-ancient-egyptians-were-naturally-fair-haired-005812

Interesting. So this Ghana chief was fair haired as well than?

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/1066-632892-6s5if0z/index.html

Now don't get it twisted. Red hair is a natural mutations that occurs at a higher rate in Northern European populations, and at a lower frequency in other populations. This isn't due to some admixture to Euro populations, it simply a natural variance in human populations. I've known a couple of natural black red heads. With that said, there was no mention of this African chief having light reddish hair and even than, most of the Africans I've seen with red hair, looked nothing like what you see on the preserved head.

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I've also seen several, normally black haired population mummies with a wide variance of hair color, a common one being red-brownish color. Care to explain the higher frequencies of this color in these ancient Peruvian mummies versus present populations?

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/99782947964306732/

https://phys.org/news/2013-06-dozens-mummies-pre-inca-royal-tomb.html

Also, it has been proven that Ancient Egyptians, like many other African populations, used Henna to dye their hair red and blond. You can even see on the wall paintings of brown individuals with blond and red hair.

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Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Dinkum:
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Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
The Descendants of Queen Tiye still in Egypt??..

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The Kemmemou purposely made a Dark Reddish Brown bust of a White Woman out of Yew Heart Wood when they could have used the Yellow instead of the Reddish Brown Heart Wood..

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Right...

You Euroclowns are something else...


Queen Tiyes parents were NATURAL BLONDES:

Check out the straight fine Caucasian hair on Queen Tiyes parents:

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/new-research-shows-some-ancient-egyptians-were-naturally-fair-haired-005812

Those "fair haired" Egyptian mummies are not real.
They are fake
 
Posted by Itoli (Member # 22743) on :
 
Do people seriously not know how easily hair can be bleached when exposed to certain substances? I had an old jar of coconut oil that I used on my hair. Some of my hair fell in and a couple months later it was RED. Seeing that, spamming the hair colors of mummies doesn't prove much knowing the harsh chemicals they used for mummification.
 
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