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Originally posted by the lioness,:
If you ask around to the members only me and Clyde Winters are admitted Afrocentrics.


Others are Blackcentric, Truthcentrics, Eurocentrics,
Black Eurocentrcs(Mike) , Centrics (plain), Anti-Centrics, Off Centrics and Fakecentrics
stll others are in the closet about it

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I see..
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Don't listen to lyinass. She is a closeted Eurocentric disguised as an Afrocentric, though her closet door is wide open in that what she posts betrays what she really is despite her black woman faced avatar.

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

Okay I noticed people saying that on many different sites I go on. When people hear about EgyptSearch they always associate it with it being a Afrocentric haven full of Afrocentric's who make up lies and are unreasonable. I know this is most certainly not true. There are many intelligent posters on this site, some smarter than the people who claimed this site is full of Afrocentric's.

But I am just curious...I wanted to get to the bottom of this. How did EgyptSearch get associated with Afrocentrism? I on the other hand find many of the posters on here to not be Afrocentric(besides that one poster you all know who I'm talking about) and to be highly educated and reasonable.

Is it because people on this site destroy all Eurocentrics that enter and they dub this site a Afrocentric haven? Is it that Eurocentric myths get crushed on here? That is what I think. I think Eurocentrics have gone through many defeats on this site(trust me I've seen them) that they retreat, get mad and then label this site as an Afrocentric Haven to take away this sites credibility and the posters credibility on here.

What are you guys thoughts. This has been circling my head for the longest.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Don't listen to lyinass. She is a closeted Eurocentric disguised as an Afrocentric, though her closet door is wide open in that what she posts betrays what she really is despite her black woman faced avatar.
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LOL...


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti:
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You pretty much answered your own question.

Egyptsearch at least the 'Ancient Egypt and Egyptology' section when it first started out was a simple forum on just that. However once scholarly folks began exposing the TRUTH about ancient Egypt's BLACK African identity and refuting (destroying) the lie of a 'Caucasian' Egypt, the Euronuts began to assault the forum. The moderators then had to divide the section into separate 'Egyptology' and 'Ancient Egypt' section with the latter serving unfortunately as a refuge or more like ghetto for race-loons (both Afro and Euro). And yes the word 'Afrocentric' tends to get thrown around like a bad word used to discredit the facts. But it's no secret Egypt is IN Africa. You'll have to call [white] scholars like Christopher Ehret, Graham Conner, and even Egyptologists like Kent Weeks, Donald Redford, and Arab Egyptologist Ahmed Saleh. The evidence is out there and we here at Egyptsearch just present it. This is why the Eurocentric nuts hate us.

The lyinass is being truthful about one thing. There is a diversity of views. Some folks here are sensibly Afrocentric, others like Clyde Winters and Mike are irrationally Afrocentric, while others are openly Eurocentric nuts like Faheembonkers, and then the closeted Euronuts like lyinass herself. Truthcentric is a white poster and I like him am just 'truthcentric'. I have no bias in favor of or against Africa but just tell it like it is.

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

Very interesting post! I sent you a PM, someone on another site called you a 'afrocentric' or 'afronazi' and even called you a Clyde Winter sidekikck...I can give you the link. That's one of the reasons why I made this thread. I definitely know you're not a 'afronazi', so I was curious.

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LMAO That's funny, because Clyde Winters calls me a Euronut and attacks me all the time for dismissing his ridiculous views! That's the problem with being sensible and rational-- you get attacked by nuts on both sides of the aisle if you know what I mean.

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Also many people on biodiversity site dub this site Afrocentric. They shouldn't be talking because those same people who call this site Afrocentric are Eurocentrics themselves.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

Very interesting post! I sent you a PM, someone on another site called you a 'afrocentric' or 'afronazi' and even called you a Clyde Winter sidekikck...I can give you the link. That's one of the reasons why I made this thread. I definitely know you're not a 'afronazi', so I was curious.

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LMAO That's funny, because Clyde Winters calls me a Euronut and attacks me all the time for dismissing his ridiculous views! That's the problem with being sensible and rational-- you get attacked by nuts on both sides of the aisle if you know what I mean.

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Also many people on biodiversity site dub this site Afrocentric. They shouldn't be talking because those same people who call this site Afrocentric are Eurocentrics themselves.

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Really I don't give a fart what folks on bioperversity think. That website was somewhat decent years ago when it first started and I used to lurk there. I mean sure you had race-obsessed loons but at least there were sensible folks who were interested in valid studies on world populations and their genetic diversity. Unfortunately that website quickly degenerated into a 'race' site barely above the level of Stormfront. Which is why I hardly go there save a few threads where relevant info is posted.

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Originally posted by Asar Imhotep:


When one is talking about African social phenomena, the only accurate way one can describe such phenomena is by the African people themselves. There is no way around it. To discuss African history, culture and philosophy, one must be centered in the reality of the African. This has been the mistake of practically all Eurocentric researchers: trying to explain African social phenomena from the perspective of Europeans and pass it off as truth.

People who study Africa, and aren't African-Centered will never gain the insight to produce useful information and get at the heart of the culture.

I challenge any person who is not Afrocentric to be able to extract information about African culture better than someone who lives the African reality. You can't do it.

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^ This.

As for biodiversity. Its not that close to stormfront...then again I wouldnt know too much and I usually only post on the African related subjects. For the most part I visit that site and this site almost always based on the distribution of knowledge. Here is the thing about Eurocentrists though, I dont even mind all of them. SOme of them deep down know what the deal is and they just carry that facade fit in with their buddies. Also some of them while Eurocentric are willing to see info exactly for what it is....unfortunately behind closed doors.

SO when I post, some eurocentric readers are actually interested in seeing the info. I will give you a perfect example : Rahotep101. The user that comes here once and a while. Has a youtube profile. Knows exactly whats going on behind closed doors but puts on the front for his fellow Euros. All one needs to do is send some of these folks a private message.....thats when the REAL discussion starts and that is when these clowns will accept defeat.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 

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Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
Ancient Egypt was in Africa. You can't be Afrocentrist when you claim it was created by Africans. Only people who wants to take Ancient Egypt out of Africa have an agenda.

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Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
[QB] Ancient Egypt was in Africa. You can't be Afrocentrist when you claim it was created by Africans.

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Straw man. This isn't Afrocentrism.

"No one disputes that Egypt is in Africa, or that its civilization had elements in common with sub-Saharan Africa, particularly in religion. However, the claim that all Egyptians, or even all the pharaohs, were black, is not valid. Most scholars believe that Egyptians in antiquity looked pretty much as they look today, with a gradation of darker shades toward the Sudan. Evidence for the racial composition
of Egypt comes from a variety of sources. Berry et al. (1967)*, using a “measure of divergence” based on 30 nonmetrical skeletal variants, found that there were significant differences between negroid populations (Ashanti, Sudan), Mediterranean populations (Palestine), and all ancient Egyptian samples. They also found a remarkable degree of constancy in the population of Egypt over a period of 5,000 years. Recent multivariate analysis of crania (Keita, 1990) showed a pattern common to both northern Late Dynastic Egypt and the Maghreb (North Africa west of Egypt) in which both tropical African and European phenotypes, as well as intermediate
patterns, were present. (*Berry AC, Berry FLJ, and Ucko PJ (1967) "Genetical change in ancient Egypt". Man. 2. pp. 551-568)"
- "Melanin, afrocentricity, and pseudoscience", Bernard R. Ortiz De Montellano. (1993). American Journal of Physical Anthropology, Volume 36, 17, pp. 33–58
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Typical Euronut strawman nonsense. You admit that Egypt is similar to Sub-Saharans only culturally and religiously but not racially. So what is your assertion?-- that the superior Caucasians happened to adopt the culture and religion of the inferior Negroids?? LOL Any study that uses loaded and debunked racial terms like 'Caucasian' and 'Negroid' are unreliable. You realize that virtually all studies show the Egyptians to have the closest affinities to northern Sudanese which is why northern Sudanese are also labeled as 'Caucasian' and then so are various peoples in the Horn and Sahel. Face it, their whole classification of 'Caucasian' based on narrow nasal index and orthognathy etc. is b.s.

Behold your Caucasian Egyptian royals!













You lose, fool!
 

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Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
 
EgyptSearchforums is a neutral Egyptian history forum with neutral members, Afrocentric members, Eurocentric members, Artist members, Stylist members, news members, entertainment members, political members, gay member etc.

The fact is Ancient Egypt and Kush were black African civilization with black people, a black culture, black religion, black ideology, black symbol etc.Telling the truth is not Afrocentrism but real history. For exemple saying Scandinavia was a white civilization is not Eurocentrism this is the fact.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Unfortunately because Egypt was probably the most advanced civilization in the ancient world with so many 'wonders', for folks to admit that it was created by blacks is a paradox to their racist views that blacks are inferior.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
Indeed Egyptsearch is a haven for Afrocentrics, and closet Afrocentrics (let's keep it real)
A couple of Eurocentrics are thrown in an affrimative action basis
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
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Face it, their whole classification of 'Caucasian' based on narrow nasal index and orthognathy etc. is b.s.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Unfortunately because Egypt was probably the most advanced civilization in the ancient world with so many 'wonders', for folks to admit that it was created by blacks is a paradox to their racist views that blacks are inferior.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
Indeed Egyptsearch is a haven for Afrocentrics, and closet Afrocentrics (let's keep it real)
A couple of Eurocentrics are thrown in an affrimative action basis

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Originally posted by Firewall:

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
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Face it, their whole classification of 'Caucasian' based on narrow nasal index and orthognathy etc. is b.s.

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I don't think it's even based on that since most in northern sudan have a broad nasel index and a few with those in the middle.

Has for the horn, some have these features.The eurocentric racist label these regions Caucasian because it's they that have an agenda,period.

They will label any region or culture and it's people Caucasian or mixed race if it suits thier sick purpose.
They did with the songhai,the mande etc.

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When have they done this?
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
I read in some websites when they mention the mande or people that region were mixed race or dark Caucasian.

If you go to enough websites believe me crap like this will pop up,that's why i try not to go to any website.I remember a thread awhile ago and these sickos label the mansa kings Caucasian.That thread is somewhere in this forum.
Djehuti remember's it.

Crap like this come on storm front and other has well.There is even a book by a egyptian and the author views all civilizations in africa has Caucasian.

The history is good in the book but he had the other stuff wrong like i mention.
There are some stuff wrong has well,but you get the point.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
The new theory is that so called Caucasians originated in Africa rather than the Caucus
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Here is the book,if you read it you know what i mean.
HE LABELS blacks of africa Caucasian or mixed race that had a civilization,so it does not matter the nose index,head shape or skin tone,or hair type.

Exiled Egyptians: The Heart of Africa
Author Moustafa Gadalla




Moustafa Gadalla is an Egyptian American independent Egyptologist, who was born in cairo, Egypt in 1944. he holds a bachelor of Science degree in civil engineering from Cairo University.

From his early childhood,Gadalla pursued his Ancient Egyptian roots with passion, through continuous study and research. Since 1990,he has dedicated and concentrated all his time to researching and writing.

Gadalla is the author of thirteen internationally acclaimed books about the various aspects of the Ancient Egyptian history and civilization and its impact worldwide. His books are alos found in seven other living languages.

Gadalla is the chairman of the Tehuti research foundation -- an international, US based, non-profit organization dedidacted to Ancient Egyptian studies.Gadalla is also the founder and Dean of the on-line Egyptian Mystical Universisty for public education of the Egyptian deep knowledge and wisdom.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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Originally posted by Firewall:
I read in some websites when they mention the mande or people that region were mixed race or dark Caucasian.

If you go to enough websites believe me crap like this will pop up,that's why i try not to go to any website.I remember a thread awhile ago and these sickos label the mansa kings Caucasian.That thread is somewhere in this forum.
Djehuti remember's it.

Crap like this come on storm front and other has well.There is even a book by a egyptian and the author views all civilizations in africa has Caucasian.

The history is good in the book but he had the other stuff wrong like i mention.

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People seriously think these people are mixed or Caucasian???


That is Simply the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. They most likely want to claim West African empires like the Mali or Shonghai.

And I seen that thread of somebody trying to claim Mansa Musa being Arab or something like that. That character was using a fake edited Mansa Musa image of him being light skinned and was trying to claim he was Arab.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
I add some stuff.

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Originally posted by Firewall:
Here is the book,if you read it you know what i mean.
HE LABELS blacks of africa Caucasian or mixed race that had a civilization,so it does not matter the nose index,head shape or skin tone,or hair type.

Exiled Egyptians: The Heart of Africa
Author Moustafa Gadalla




Moustafa Gadalla is an Egyptian American independent Egyptologist, who was born in cairo, Egypt in 1944. he holds a bachelor of Science degree in civil engineering from Cairo University.

From his early childhood,Gadalla pursued his Ancient Egyptian roots with passion, through continuous study and research. Since 1990,he has dedicated and concentrated all his time to researching and writing.

Gadalla is the author of thirteen internationally acclaimed books about the various aspects of the Ancient Egyptian history and civilization and its impact worldwide. His books are alos found in seven other living languages.

Gadalla is the chairman of the Tehuti research foundation -- an international, US based, non-profit organization dedidacted to Ancient Egyptian studies.Gadalla is also the founder and Dean of the on-line Egyptian Mystical Universisty for public education of the Egyptian deep knowledge and wisdom.

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Originally posted by Firewall:
Here is the book,if you read it you know what i mean.
HE LABELS blacks of africa Caucasian or mixed race that had a civilization,so it does not matter the nose index,head shape or skin tone,or hair type.

Exiled Egyptians: The Heart of Africa
Author Moustafa Gadalla




Moustafa Gadalla is an Egyptian American independent Egyptologist, who was born in cairo, Egypt in 1944. he holds a bachelor of Science degree in civil engineering from Cairo University.

From his early childhood,Gadalla pursued his Ancient Egyptian roots with passion, through continuous study and research. Since 1990,he has dedicated and concentrated all his time to researching and writing.

Gadalla is the author of thirteen internationally acclaimed books about the various aspects of the Ancient Egyptian history and civilization and its impact worldwide. His books are alos found in seven other living languages.

Gadalla is the chairman of the Tehuti research foundation -- an international, US based, non-profit organization dedidacted to Ancient Egyptian studies.Gadalla is also the founder and Dean of the on-line Egyptian Mystical Universisty for public education of the Egyptian deep knowledge and wisdom.

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He's an Egyptocentrist

His website:

Tehuti research foundation

http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/Tehuti research foundation

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some recent DNA analysis suggests that modern Copts have the closest affinity to the ancient Egyptians as well as other Africans
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Here that website,there others but this was one of the more recent ones i remember with it's non-sense and crap.
Warning, hold your nose.

Howstuffworks.com

This is page 2 of the website,other pages inside the link below.

General African History

Sub-Saharan Africa to 1500

Early records of Africa south of the Sahara desert, often referred to as Black Africa, are extremely scanty. It is known, however, that as early as 900 B.C. an advanced agricultural civilization called the Nok culture arose in northern Nigeria.

Another civilization had emerged about 1800 B.C. south of Egypt in a region later known as Nubia, which the Egyptians valued for its gold. From time to time Egypt invaded Nubia, and finally about 1500 B.C. conquered it and made it a province.
Kingdom of Kush

Sometime after 1000 B.C., a Nubian people called the Kushites broke away from Egyptian rule and established an independent kingdom. The Kushites became so powerful that they were able to conquer Egypt in the eighth century B.C. A century later, invading Assyrians drove the Kushites back into their homeland in northern Nubia. Later Kush was centered in central Nubia around the city of Meroe. The original Kushites were Caucasian. However, Meroe was in a region of dark-skinned peoples, and the Kushites soon intermarried with this population.

Kush became one of the most powerful kingdoms south of the Sahara. The Kushites are believed to be the first people of sub-Saharan Africa to make practical use of iron, having possibly learned ironworking from the Assyrians. The region was rich in iron ore, and iron became important to the kingdom's prosperity. Many historians believe that knowledge of ironworking was carried by the Kushites to central and west Africa. During the third century A.D., powerful nomadic peoples began migrating into Kush, gravely weakening the kingdom's control over its own territory.

Meanwhile, about 100 A.D., there had arisen to the southeast of Nubia in what is now Ethiopia a kingdom called Aksum (or Axum). It was founded by Semites from southern Arabia, who intermarried with the native Ethiopians to form a new civilization. Aksum flourished as a result of trade that passed through the kingdom and soon surpassed Kush as a power. In the fourth century A.D., an Aksumite invasion destroyed the declining Kushite kingdom.




The Kingdom of AksumThe Kingdom of Aksum was a powerful ancient kingdom in East Africa. It occupied lands that are now Eritrea, northern Ethiopia, and parts of Sudan and Djibouti. By the middle of the A.D. 300's, Aksum had gained control of the land and sea routes from Africa to Europe and Asia. Present-day boundaries are shown as gray lines.
The Christian Kingdoms

Kush was succeeded by three less advanced kingdoms—Nobatia in northern Nubia, Makuria in central Nubia, and Alwa in southern Nubia. In the sixth century, missionaries converted the kingdoms to Christianity. In the seventh century, Makuria absorbed Nobatia. Makuria was also known as Dongola, after its capital.

The growth of Islam in the eighth century left the Christian kingdoms surrounded by hostile Muslim powers. Makuria managed to maintain its Christian identity until the 14th century, and Alwa survived until the early 16th century, when it was destroyed and replaced by the Muslim Sennar kingdom.

Meanwhile, Aksum had adopted Christianity in the fourth century. Muslim pressure after the eighth century forced the Aksumites to fall back into the Ethiopian highlands. From there a new empire arose in the 12th century ruled by the Zagwe dynasty. It was succeeded in the 13th century by an Ethiopian empire centered in Amhara.

In the later Middle Ages, European contact with Ethiopia began. Hearing of the isolated Christian country from Ethiopian pilgrims in the Holy Land, the Dominicans sent representatives to Ethiopia in the early 14th century. Strong military and diplomatic ties with Portugal were established in the 15th and 16th centuries.
Central and West Sudanic Kingdoms

From ancient times, the western part of the Sudan (the grassland belt south of the Sahara) engaged in trade with North Africa. The central Sudan also had contact with the north and, in addition, traded with Egypt and Nubia. At first goods were transported by donkey or horse, but after the camel was introduced into the Sahara from Egypt early in the Christian Era, the camel caravan became the means of transport.

The principal trade commodities were salt from North Africa and gold from the western Sudan. Much of the gold came from coastal areas farther south and was accumulated in Sudanese cities before its shipment across the desert. Later, ivory and slaves from the western and central Sudan were traded for metal tools, cotton goods, and horses.

Strong and extensive kingdoms grew up around the great sub-Saharan trading centers. The populations of these kingdoms were predominantly black, with some Caucasian mixture. Most of the urban people were, or later became, Muslims. Many of the country people remained animistic in religious belief. Most of the kingdoms were urban in character, with complex political organization. They had well-trained cavalry units, which in time of war were supplemented by mass armies of conscripts.

Among the earliest of the western kingdoms was Ghana, lying between the Senegal and Niger rivers. Ghana was founded in the 5th or 6th century A.D. In the 9th century, Kanem was founded around Lake Chad in the central Sudan. To the west and south of Kanem, in what is now northern Nigeria, the Hausa city-states arose in the 11th century. These included Kano, Gobir, and Katsina.

The Berbers of the Sahara, who controlled the Saharan trade routes, gradually penetrated the sub-Saharan grasslands. In the 11th century, a group of Berbers (the Almoravid Muslims) conquered Ghana. Although Ghana recovered its independence, it never regained commercial dominance and had broken up into a number of petty states by the early 13th century.

With the fall of Ghana, the Mali kingdom emerged as the leading power in the western Sudan. Its inhabitants, the Mandingo people, were converted to Islam in the 14th century. The Mali empire encompassed a vast area from the Atlantic coast east to Timbuktu, a Berber trading city on the Niger that became a center of Muslim scholarship. At times Mali had possession of Gao, a trading city of the Songhai people east of Timbuktu.

Mali went into decline in the late 14th century. In 1375 the Songhai threw off Mali domination, and began pressuring the empire from the east. From the north the Tuareg (a Berber people) seized cities, including Timbuktu, and from the south the Mossi made raids on Mali. The empire was gradually reduced to a small state, and Gao became the center of a rapidly growing Song-hai empire that by 1500 controlled the western Sudan. (


Songhai Empire about 1500.Songhai Empire about 1500. This map shows the Songhai Empire in West Africa at the height of its power. During the reign of Emperor Askia Muhammad, the empire extended from the Atlantic coast to what is now central Nigeria and included parts of what are now Burkina Faso, Gambia, Guinea, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, and Senegal. The Songhai controlled important trade routes that made the empire the richest in West Africa.

Meanwhile, in the central Sudan, Kanem had emerged as a powerful state, the Kanem-Bornu empire. It became noted for its large standing army—cavalry and infantry uniformed in quilted armor and chain mail. Kanem-Bornu grew prosperous from the export of slaves to the north and east. The empire continued to expand after 1500. (

In the 15th century, the Portuguese began exploration of the Atlantic coast. They colonized the Cape Verde Islands in the 1460's and established trading contacts with the western Sudanic kingdoms.
Guinea

About the beginning of the Christian Era Asiatic food plants, including the banana and the yam, were introduced into Africa. Suitable for tropical culture, they became the basis of a forest civilization. As the population of the Sudan swelled, various peoples at the southern edge moved down the rivers toward the coast, taking with them Sudanic political and social patterns.

Since the Arabs who traded with the Sudanic kingdoms did not travel as far as Guinea, records for this area are extremely scarce. Some of the early kingdoms, such as Bono and Banda along the Volta River and Yoruba and Benin along the lower Niger, were probably founded about the 13th century and were located first at the northern edge of the forest. By some 200 years later they were within the forest.

Active trade was carried on with the Sudan, kingdoms west of the Volta dealing mainly with Ghana and Mali and those to the east with the Hausa states and Kanem-Bornu. Guinea's major exports were gold, kola nuts, and ivory. Imports were salt, copper, horses, and cattle. Cloth and beads, in common use throughout Guinea, were both imported and exported. There is no record of a Guinea slave trade before the Europeans came to the coast, although the Sudan had then been supplying slaves to North Africa for several centuries. The forest kingdoms became more powerful after the beginning of the European slave trade, for which the indigenous rulers provided slaves.

The Portuguese reached the Senegal River in 1445 and the island of Fernando Po in 1472. Their trading station of Elmina, on the Gold Coast, was founded in 1482. A port for Benin in the west delta of the Niger was opened in 1486.


Africa in the 1400s.Africa in the 1400s. Many highly organized states existed in Africa long before the European colonial period. This map shows the main states and trade routes of the 1400's. Islamic states were in northern Africa, along the Niger River, and along the east coast of Africa. West African states were located near the Gulf of Guinea. Bantu states were in areas that are now part of Nigeria and Cameroon in western Africa, Congo (Kinshasa) and Angola in central Africa, and Mozambique and Zimbabwe in southeastern Africa. A Christian state was located in what is now Ethiopia.
The Bantu States

Only fragmentary knowledge exists of the early history of the Bantu-speaking peoples, who occupy most of Africa south of a line from Cameroon to southern Ethiopia. On linguistic evidence it appears that they originated in the area of modern Cameroon and migrated eastward and southward. Apparently a great population expansion and dispersal occurred around the beginning of the Christian era.

The great Kongo kingdom at the mouth of the Congo River came to power about 1400. The Portuguese discovered this river and made coastal explorations in 1482–86. In 1491 Portuguese missionaries and craftsmen arrived in Kongo and began creating a Christian kingdom, based on the capital of San Salvador. It declined during the late 17th and 18th centuries.

Northwest of Lake Victoria, Bantu-speaking peoples established a strong kingdom called Bunyoro (or Kitara) during the 14th century. It ruled what is now Uganda. In the 16th century the kingdom of Buganda began to vie with Bunyoro for control of the region, and by the early 19th century it was the dominant power. Further south there were a number of smaller kingdoms—Ankole, Burundi, and Rwanda.

Centered in the upper Zambezi Valley was the Shona (or Rozwi) confederation. In the 11th century the Shona built a city called Zimbabwe to serve as their capital. During the 15th and 16th centuries, Zimbabwe was the capital of the Mutapa Empire (named after the Shona leader, Mutapa), which covered all of the present-day countries of Zimbabwe and Mozambique. Its prosperity was based on the export of gold to the east. The empire went into decline in the 16th century and eventually Zimbabwe was abandoned.
The Eastern Coast

From very early times Arab sailors visited the upper east coast of Africa to trade iron implements for ivory. From Africa came also palm oil, rhinoceros horn, and frankincense. The Arabs transported this merchandise to the Mediterranean countries by way of the Red Sea and to Arabia, Persia, and India across the Indian Ocean. The Chinese were also involved in this early trade. (Axum, an Ethiopian kingdom built on this trade, was discussed earlier in this section, under the subtitle Sub-Saharan Africa to 1500: Kingdom of Kush.)

There is no mention of slave trade in the early records of the east coast. As the Bantu population expanded eastward, however, black slaves became an item of trade throughout the Indian Ocean area. Indonesians, who had colonized Madagascar, dominated the trade routes from the 8th century to the 12th.

In about the eighth century, Muslims began to found settlements along the coast. Some of these were communities of Arabian refugees from religious conflicts within the Islamic world. Others were trade settlements established by Persian and Arab merchants. Malindi, Mombasa, Kilwa, Mozambique, and Sofala—the major gold port for Zimbabwe—were among important coastal cities. In the 13th century Arab seafarers gained control of the Indian Ocean, and east Africa was absorbed into the Islamic world.


© 1998-2013 HowStuffWorks, Inc

Note- Just to make clear christian nubia became more advanced then kush.

Anyway there is more inside but you get the point.

http://history.howstuffworks.com/african-history/history-of-africa2.htm
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Now for the western sudan,they either saying that population is mostly black with some Caucasians living there or the population is black with some Caucasian admixture.

Now if it's the first that's true,if it's the second they are wrong,just like with kush and the kushites and axum.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Firewall:
Now for the western sudan,they either saying that population is mostly black with some Caucasians living there or the population is black with some Caucasian admixture.

Now if it's the first that's true,if it's the second they are wrong,just like with kush and the kushites and axum.

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Originally posted by Firewall:
The second for some could mean the population is black with some Caucasian admixture,meaning some would think all had Caucasian admixture.

Some could read that way,so it's not that clear.You could assume they mean the latter too since they got kush and axum wrong.

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you're right it's not perectly clear

here's some DNATribes analysis of modern African poualtions of the regions:



(5.9% Austrailan ! )



 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
That's for modern sudan,not early sudan or ethiopia,and the horn and i was talking about western and central sudan in the middle ages,not east africa,so there was no need to change the subject.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
I don't know if that's correct above,so others could answer that here.
Here is the one i rely on.

Early sudan,ethiopia,early east africa is a different story by the way.

This is for modern sudan.

Now this is paternal only.


Sample Nubians taken(Nile Valley)
Nubians (Agriculturists; n=39; Nilo-Saharan, Eastern Sudanic)
3/39 = 7.7% B-M60 - Nilotic
3/39 = 7.7% E1b1b-M215(xE1b1b1a-M7.8. North East Africa
5/39 = 12.8% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa
1/39 = 2.6% E1b1b1a1b-V32 North East Africa
4/39 = 10.3% F-M89(xH1-M52, I-M170, J-12f2, K-M9) Western Asia
2/39 = 5.1% I-M170 - Near East
16/39 = 41.0% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) - Arabic
1/39 = 2.6% J2-M172 -Arabic
4/39 = 10.3% R1b1-P25 - Chadic


Nuba
Hill Nubians and others.(Central sudan)
(Nilo-Saharan, Eastern Sudanic)
46 % A3b2-M13 - Nilotic
14.2% B-M60 - Nilotic
14.2% E1b1b-M215(xE1b1b1a-M7.8. - North East Africa
25 % E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa


Beja (Pastoralists; n=42; Afro-Asiatic, Cushitic?)
2/42 = 4.8% A3b2-M13 - Nilotic
7/42 = 16.7% E1b1b-M215(xE1b1b1a-M7.8. - North East Africa
2/42 = 4.8% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa
13/42 = 31.0% E1b1b1a1b-V32 -North East Africa
15/42 = 35.7% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic
1/42 = 2.4% J2-M172 -Arabic
2/42 = 4.8% R1b1-P25 - Chadic


Arabs/Gaalien (Agriculturists; n=50; Afro-Asiatic, Semitic)
3/50 = 6.0% A3b2-M13 - Nilotic
3/50 = 6.0% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa
3/50 = 6.0% E1b1b1a1b-V32 North East Africa
3/50 = 6.0% E1b1b1a3-V22 North East Africa
5/50 = 10.0% F-M89(xH1-M52, I-M 170, J-12f2, K-M9)Western Asia
2/50 = 4.0% I-M170 Near East
18/50 = 36.0% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic
2/50 = 4.0% J2-M172 Arabic
3/50 = 6.0% K-M9(xL-M11, O-M175, P-M74) Southwestern Asia
1/50 = 2.0% R1-M173(xR1b1-P25) Chadic
7/50 = 14.0% R1b1-P25 - Chadic


Arabs/Meseria (Nomadic Pastoralists; n=28; Afro-Asiatic, Semitic)
1/28 = 3.6% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa
3/28 = 10.7% E1b1b1a1b-V32 North East Africa
3/28 = 10.7% F-M89(xH1-M52, I-M170, J-12f2, K-M9) Western Asia
2/28 = 7.1% I-M170 - South West Asia
12/28 = 42.9% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic
7/28 = 25.0% R1b1-P25 - Chadic


Arabs/Arakien (Agriculturists; n=24; Afro-Asiatic, Semitic)
2/24 = 8.3% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) - North East Africa
1/24 = 4.2% E1b1b1a1b-V32 North East Africa
1/24 = 4.2% E1b1b1a3-V22 North East Africa
2/24 = 8.3% F-M89(xH1-M52, I-M170, J-12f2, K-M9) West Asia
16/24 = 66.7% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic
2/24 = 8.3% R1b1-P25 Chadic

Sudanese Arab total:
3/102 = 2.9% A3b2-M13 - Nilotic
6/102 = 5.9% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) - North East Africa
7/102 = 6.9% E1b1b1a1b-V32 - North East Africa
4/102 = 3.9% E1b1b1a3-V22 - North East Africa
10/102 = 9.8% F-M89(xH1-M52, I-M170, J-12f2, K-M9) West Asia
4/102 = 3.9% I-M170 South West Asia
46/102 = 45.1% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic
2/102 = 2.0% J2-M172 - Arabic
3/102 = 2.9% K-M9(xL-M11, O-M175, P-M74) - South west Asia
1/102 = 1.0% R1-M173(xR1b1-P25) - Chadic
16/102 = 15.7% R1b1-P25 - Chadic


Masalit (Agriculturists; n=32; Nilo-Saharan, Maban)
6/32 = 18.8% A3b2-M13 - Nilotic
1/32 = 3.1% B-M60 - Nilotic
1/32 = 3.1% E1b1b1a-M78(xE1b1b1a1-V12, E1b1b1a2-V13, E1b1b1a3-V22, E1b1b1a4-V65) - North East Africa
17/32 = 53.1% E1b1b1a1b-V32 - North East Africa
5/32 = 15.6% E1b1b1a3-V22 - North East Africa
2/32 = 6.3% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic


Fur (Agriculturists; n=32; Nilo-Saharan, Fur)
10/32 = 31.3% A3b2-M13 - Nilotic
1/32 = 3.1% B-M60 - Nilotic
13/32 = 40.6% E1b1b1a1b-V32 - North East Africa
6/32 = 18.8% E1b1b1a3-V22 - North East Africa
2/32 = 6.3% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) - Arabic


Copts (Agriculturists; n=33; Afro-Asiatic, Ancient Egyptian > Semitic)
5/33 = 15.2% B-M60 - Nilotic
2/33 = 6.1% E1b1b-M215(xE1b1b1a-M7.8. - North East Africa
5/33 = 15.2% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa
13/33 = 39.4% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic
2/33 = 6.1% J2-M172 - Arabic
1/33 = 3.0% K-M9(xL-M11, O-M175, P-M74) - South West Asia
5/33 = 15.2% R1b1-P25 -- Chadic


Sudanese (Pastoralist/AgriPastoralist Nilotes (Dinka, Nuer, Shilluk) Nilo-Saharan, Eastern Sudanic)
A3B2 (28/53 = 52.8%), - Nilotic
B(16/53 = 30.2%), -Nilotic
E1b1b1a1 (V12+V22 +32)- 9/53 = 17.0%. - North East Africa


http://sudanforum.net/showthread.php?p=1474128


http://leherensuge.blogspot.com/2009/04/brief-review-of-recent-mtdna-h-info.html


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quote:Originally posted by Doctoris Scientia:
Haplogroup J in itself is most likely African. J* peaks in territories near in or around Africa.

J2-M172 is African ...
J (Y-DNA), more than likely originated in East Africa also.

J1 moved into Yemen, While J2 spread from Egypt into the Levant

J1 were Nomads similar to the Beja and Tigre, While J2 were farmers in affiliation to Nile Valley populations.

Areas like Socotra (a few miles outside off of Somalia) still have the highest % of J*.

Both J1 and J2 have African origins...
J*(xJ1, J2) is the oldest form of J ever found, it was found in and near Africa.

70% J* in Socotra (Cerny)
7.7% J* in Oman (Di Giacomo)

According to the most recent studies, most of the "Eurasian" tagged haplogroups developed either in Africa or originated among populations who spanned between both "Southwest Asia" and Africa.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Genetics
A Y-chromosome study by Wood et al. (2005) tested various populations in Africa for paternal lineages, including 26 Maasai and 9 Luo from Kenya and 9 Alur from the Democratic Republic of Congo. The signature Nilotic paternal marker Haplogroup A3b2 was observed in 27% of the Maasai, 22% of the Alur, and 11% of the Luo. Haplogroup B, another characteristically Nilotic paternal marker according to Gomes et al. (2010), was found in 22% of Wood et al.'s Luo samples and 8% of the studied Maasai. The E1b1b haplogroup was also observed in 50% of the Maasai, which is indicative of substantial gene flow into this population from Cushitic males. In addition, 67% of the Alur samples possessed the Sub-Saharan E2 haplogroup.


Another study by Hassan et al. (2008) analysed the Y-DNA of populations in the Sudan region, with various local Nilotic groups included for comparison. The researchers found the signature Nilotic A and B clades to be the most common paternal lineages amongst the Nilo-Saharan speakers, except those inhabiting western Sudan, where an appreciable North African influence was noted. Haplogroup A was observed amongst 62% of Dinka, 53.3% of Shilluk, 46.4% of Nuba, 33.3% of Nuer, 31.3% of Fur and 18.8% of Masalit. Haplogroup B was found in 50% of Nuer, 26.7% of Shilluk, 23% of Dinka, 14.3% of Nuba, 3.1% of Fur and 3.1% of Masalit. The E1b1b clade was also observed in 71.9% of the Masalit, 59.4% of the Fur, 39.3% of the Nuba, 20% of the Shilluk, 16.7% of the Nuer, and 15% of the Dinka. Hassan et al. attributed the atypically high frequencies of the haplogroup in the Masalit to either a recent population bottleneck that likely altered the community's original haplogroup diversity or to geographical proximity to E1b1b's place of origin in North Africa, where the researchers suggest that the clade "might have been brought to Sudan from[...] after the progressive desertification of the Sahara around 6,000–8,000 years ago". Henn et al. (2008) similarly observed Afro-Asiatic influence in the Nilotic Datog of northern Tanzania, 43% of whom carried the M293 sub-clade of E1b1b.

mtDNA
Unlike their paternal DNA 543, the maternal lineages of Nilotes in general show low-to-negligible amounts of Afro-Asiatic and other extraneous influences. An mtDNA study by Castri et al. (2008) examined the maternal ancestry of various Nilotic populations in Kenya, with Turkana, Samburu, Maasai and Luo individuals sampled. Almost all of the tested Nilotes belonged to various Sub-Saharan macro-haplogroup L sub-clades, including L0, L2, L3, L4 and L5. Low levels of maternal gene flow from North Africa and the Horn of Africa were also observed in a few groups, mainly via the presence of mtDNA haplogroup M and haplogroup I lineages in about 12.5% of the Maasai and 7% of the Samburu samples, respectively.

Autosomal DNA
The autosomal DNA of Nilotic peoples has been examined in a comprehensive study by Tishkoff et al. (2009) on the genetic affiliations of various populations in Africa. According to the researchers, Nilotes generally form their own Sub-Saharan genetic cluster. The authors also found that certain Nilotic populations in the eastern Great Lakes region, such as the Maasai, showed some additional Afro-Asiatic affinities due to repeated assimilation of Cushitic-speaking peoples over the past 5000 or so years.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Early sudan and modern sudan.


Genetic Patterns of Y-chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA Variation, with Implications to the Peopling of the Sudan

http://etd2.uofk.edu/view_etd.php?etd_details=4312
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
the Maternal tells a somewhat different story
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by Firewall:
I read in some websites when they mention the mande or people that region were mixed race or dark Caucasian.

If you go to enough websites believe me crap like this will pop up,that's why i try not to go to any website.I remember a thread awhile ago and these sickos label the mansa kings Caucasian.That thread is somewhere in this forum.
Djehuti remember's it.

Crap like this come on storm front and other has well.There is even a book by a egyptian and the author views all civilizations in africa has Caucasian.

The history is good in the book but he had the other stuff wrong like i mention.

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People seriously think these people are mixed or Caucasian???


That is Simply the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. They most likely want to claim West African empires like the Mali or Shonghai.

And I seen that thread of somebody trying to claim Mansa Musa being Arab or something like that. That character was using a fake edited Mansa Musa image of him being light skinned and was trying to claim he was Arab.

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Trust me, there has been a consorted effort among scholars and academicians in the West, particularly in the 18th and 19th centuries to claim every advanced culture in the world as the work of 'Caucasians'. It started in the 18th century with the rise of European colonialism and was a way to excuse European dominance in the globe i.e. the very birth of racism itself-- the excuse that the 'European race' is superior. If you don't believe me I suggest you do research on racism in modern science and historiography. When I first found out about ancient Egypt's black identity back in high school and did more research into the subject of racism in history and science, I was shocked just how pervasive it was. Look up 'Hamitic race' as an example of this nonsense. Even the genocide in Rwanda has its roots in the crap the Belgian colonists peddled! And it wasn't just Africans or blacks who are victims of this. I myself am Asian and I was also floored to find studies that describe civilizations in Asia being the result of early 'Caucasians'. There are old papers that describe my ancient Filipino ancestors as 'Mediterranean Caucsoids'!! LOL I'm telling you, Western academia was wrought in and marred by racist beliefs. Even though much of this racialism was debunked it still survives in some remnant form even in science with certain genetic studies attached with racial implications.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by Firewall:
I read in some websites when they mention the mande or people that region were mixed race or dark Caucasian.

If you go to enough websites believe me crap like this will pop up,that's why i try not to go to any website.I remember a thread awhile ago and these sickos label the mansa kings Caucasian.That thread is somewhere in this forum.
Djehuti remember's it.

Crap like this come on storm front and other has well.There is even a book by a egyptian and the author views all civilizations in africa has Caucasian.

The history is good in the book but he had the other stuff wrong like i mention.

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People seriously think these people are mixed or Caucasian???


That is Simply the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. They most likely want to claim West African empires like the Mali or Shonghai.

And I seen that thread of somebody trying to claim Mansa Musa being Arab or something like that. That character was using a fake edited Mansa Musa image of him being light skinned and was trying to claim he was Arab.

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Trust me, there has been a consorted effort among scholars and academicians in the West, particularly in the 18th and 19th centuries to claim every advanced culture in the world as the work of 'Caucasians'. It started in the 18th century with the rise of European colonialism and was a way to excuse European dominance in the globe i.e. the very birth of racism itself-- the excuse that the 'European race' is superior. If you don't believe me I suggest you do research on racism in modern science and historiography. When I first found out about ancient Egypt's black identity back in high school and did more research into the subject of racism in history and science, I was shocked just how pervasive it was. Look up 'Hamitic race' as an example of this nonsense. Even the genocide in Rwanda has its roots in the crap the Belgian colonists peddled! And it wasn't just Africans or blacks who are victims of this. I myself am Asian and I was also floored to find studies that describe civilizations in Asia being the result of early 'Caucasians'. There are old papers that describe my ancient Filipino ancestors as 'Mediterranean Caucsoids'!! LOL I'm telling you, Western academia was wrought in and marred by racist beliefs. Even though much of this racialism was debunked it still survives in some remnant form even in science with certain genetic studies attached with racial implications.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:

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Originally posted by Firewall:
Early sudan and modern sudan.


Genetic Patterns of Y-chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA Variation, with Implications to the Peopling of the Sudan

http://etd2.uofk.edu/view_etd.php?etd_details=4312

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the Maternal tells a somewhat different story

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And what story pray tell is that??
 

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Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
 
I loathe how people assume that just because I identify ancient Egyptians as Black African people that I'm some kind of anti-science fringe wacko on par with creationists or UFO cultists. It saddens me that so-called "skeptical" or "rationalist" liberal types have shown the same hostility towards my opinions as any blatant white supremacists. I am still not sure why. I guess they believe that if any argument goes against what they perceive to be the "mainstream" scientific or historical consensus, it's pseudo-scientific woo.

I notice that armchair historians such as the posters on most history forums tend to be the most hostile and obstinate. Most lay people, white or black, appear more open-minded in my experience. Unfortunately the latter camp don't have much of an investment in history to begin with.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
Its usually the people who barely know anything about Ancient Egypt or Africa in general who dismiss Ancient Egypt being native African.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Actually I think it depends on the individual. There are some people who have vested interest in denying the black identity of Egyptians. And by interest I mean emotional ones based on white supremacy or simply a psychological paradigm based on years of Eurocentric indoctrination.

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Originally posted by Truthcentric:

I loathe how people assume that just because I identify ancient Egyptians as Black African people that I'm some kind of anti-science fringe wacko on par with creationists or UFO cultists. It saddens me that so-called "skeptical" or "rationalist" liberal types have shown the same hostility towards my opinions as any blatant white supremacists. I am still not sure why. I guess they believe that if any argument goes against what they perceive to be the "mainstream" scientific or historical consensus, it's pseudo-scientific woo.

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I notice that armchair historians such as the posters on most history forums tend to be the most hostile and obstinate. Most lay people, white or black, appear more open-minded in my experience. Unfortunately the latter camp don't have much of an investment in history to begin with.

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I'm curious, have you ever presented any of the hundreds of studies we post here to these 'liberal' skeptics??

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
"white identity" or "black identitiy" are not a scientific terms

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True.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
I was curious what was said about this series called the bible on the history channel to check some comments,and of course views are over the place has well from who were the egyptians to who were the hebrews.

It's tells the story very good.It's interesting in that show they made some of angels black and samson,but the egyptians were still played mostly by non- blacks.
There was even a asian angel.

Some folks still have not got any recent news ABOUT ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AND DNA RECENT TESTING and if some did,they would ignore it and will not care because to a certain mindset egyptians were not black,and of course they would be wrong.

I was wondering if anybody here been watching it?

The Bible (I) (2013– )
TV Mini-Series - Drama
This is a 10-hour, five-part, mini-series. It will tell some of the best-known stories from the most popular book in human history, from Noah's Ark and the Exodus to Daniel in the Lion's Den to the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus.

This is jesus in the show.



and samson.



And i have read some of the chat.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2254092/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
"white identity" or "black identitiy" are not a scientific terms

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But who said such terms were "scientific" to begin with?! LOL The lyinass is just playing games as usual. She knows the terms themselves are not scientific as indigenous Europeans are not truly 'white' in skin color anymore than indigenous Africans are truly black in skin color and that such terms are cultural. But it still won't change the FACT that ancient Egyptians by our cultural definitions would still be called BLACK!

What else would you call these people?













 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^^^I know the Ancient Egyptians were obviously black. But in science they don't use terms such as Black or White. I also rarely use terms such as Black or White just to be 'safe'. That's all.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Firewall:

I was curious what was said about this series called the bible on the history channel to check some comments,and of course views are over the place has well from who were the egyptians to who were the hebrews.

It's tells the story very good.It's interesting in that show they made some of angels black and samson,but the egyptians were still played mostly by non- blacks.
There was even a asian angel.

Some folks still have not got any recent news ABOUT ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AND DNA RECENT TESTING and if they did,they would ignore it and will not care.

I was wondering if anybody here been watching it?

The Bible (I) (2013– )
TV Mini-Series - Drama
This is a 10-hour, five-part, mini-series. It will tell some of the best-known stories from the most popular book in human history, from Noah's Ark and the Exodus to Daniel in the Lion's Den to the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus.

This is the jesus in the show.



and samson.



And i have read some of the chat.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2254092/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm

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It's just politically correct racist b.s. in media that I like to call 'giving them (minorities) a bone'. They pretty much give certain parts to minorities here and there and nothing more. The fact that they used largely non-blacks to play the part of Africans (Egyptians) is one sign but that they threw in some east Asians is definitely a sign. Even though the Bible events ranged from northeast Africa to Southwest Asia the majority of the parts were still played by Euros. (I saw the previews) What mess is that?

LOL @ the black Samson pictured. But I'm sure they used a pale white Delilah to play the part of the seductress. Typical Hollywood crap. Make the black man some strong armed brute who is seduced by the white beauty.

I don't know which is worse, this History Channel mockumentary of the Bible or The Last Racebender.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Yeah she was white,and so was his first wife.
You should download it and see what you think of the whole thing.
Part 5 and 6 coming up sunday.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ I've seen bits and pieces of it here and there and I am not impressed. And what you just showed me about the token blacks and asians has really turned me off. They might as well have stuck with an all white cast, at least it would have been 'traditional' Hollywack.

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

I know the Ancient Egyptians were obviously black. But in science they don't use terms such as Black or White. I also rarely use terms such as Black or White just to be 'safe'. That's all.

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My reply wasn't to you but to the lyinass Euronut.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

I know the Ancient Egyptians were obviously black. But in science they don't use terms such as Black or White. I also rarely use terms such as Black or White just to be 'safe'. That's all.

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My reply wasn't to you but to the lyinass Euronut.

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Oh my bad.

It looked like it was.
 

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Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
 
I lost all respect for the History Channel a long time ago. It seems to have jumped the same shark as the Discovery Channel. I mean, neither had great track records when it came to reconstructing ancient Egyptians, but at least I can recall a time when those channels actually had informative content.

And OMG at the casting for this new Bible shlockumentary. I mean, a mostly Euro cast with just a few PoC thrown in for political correctness despite the Afro-Arabian setting? In 2013. Do these casting agents even think about what they're doing?
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^^History Channel is not even about 'history' no more.
 

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Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
LOL @ the black Samson pictured. But I'm sure they used a pale white Delilah to play the part of the seductress. Typical Hollywood crap. Make the black man some strong armed brute who is seduced by the white beauty.

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by Truthcentric:

I lost all respect for the History Channel a long time ago. It seems to have jumped the same shark as the Discovery Channel. I mean, neither had great track records when it came to reconstructing ancient Egyptians, but at least I can recall a time when those channels actually had informative content.

And OMG at the casting for this new Bible shlockumentary. I mean, a mostly Euro cast with just a few PoC thrown in for political correctness despite the Afro-Arabian setting? In 2013. Do these casting agents even think about what they're doing?

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^^^History Channel is not even about 'history' no more.

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Tell me about it. It seems every time I flip to that channel they're talking about aliens!
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^^^

Pawn Stars?
Ice Road Truckers?
American Pikers?

What the hell? Those shows are not about history...The only good show was Mankind:The Story Of All of Us. But that show rarely showed African civilization or even Asian. I give that show credit for making the first humans African.

But History channel most of the shows are reality shows. The same can be said for Animal Planet. I use to love Animal Planet. It use to be educational...But now its just basically a reality drama channel. I swear they are just dumbing everything down. -__-
 

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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
Bible shows have to be white casted because whites
-- the producers and the target audience -- will not
watch or support them otherwise.

Thing is for non-whites to put up the $$$ and produce
shows concerning their own cultures/histories/literatures
or else just shut the hell up.

What? You think the whites should do it for them.

No. Everybody knows to do for self. Everybody
except the _____________s know to do for self.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ LOL I think I know what goes in the blank.
 

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Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
 
The dumbing down of America the History Channel is showing entertaining reality show like Pawn stars, Ice road truckers and American pickers, Im guessing they are tired of lying about world history.The Ancient Alien show was very speculative but at least you could see some nice historical places around the world and some nice statues.Author David H Childress gave some good opinion on the show.

Malidubusul posted last month a TV series in Brazil about Moses that show the Egyptian to be white or pale mulato.They didnt even have token black in their series.I like ancient historical movies like Cleopatra, Ben Hur and Gladiator probably I will watch the bible TV series not for the stories but to see the ancient clothes, priesthood, governement, military and lifestyle of the ancient people.The Bible series is wrong for portaying the Ancient black Egyptian, black Canaanite, black and brown Hebrew as white.

Im agreeing with Tukuler black people should be making their own black Ancient Egyptian, Canaanite and Hebrew movies.One black man in the past make a low budget movie about black Hebrew and Jesus called the color of the cross.Rich African American are probably worth $100 billion, Rich black African are probably worth $50 billion why dont they make their own black historical movies.I agree with Tukuler white producers produced movie for their own white audience, it is not their job to do black people duty.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tukuler:
Bible shows have to be white casted because whites
-- the producers and the target audience -- will not
watch or support them otherwise.

Thing is for non-whites to put up the $$$ and produce
shows concerning their own cultures/histories/literatures
or else just shut the hell up.

What? You think the whites should do it for them.

No. Everybody knows to do for self. Everybody
except the _____________s know to do for self.

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Does anyone know if they portray the reverse interracial pairing (i.e. white man/black woman)? And if so, is the black woman dark-skinned instead of another "high yellow" type? Not that a Euro guy would make sense in this particular setting, but I long for the day when Hollywood pairs a white guy and a dark black woman.

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And Django Unchained actually showed a black man in a positive light and that movie was written by a white person I believe. [/QB]

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:
And Django Unchained actually showed a black man in a positive light and that movie was written by a white person I believe.

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Have you seen the film? He does nothing but kill innocent people, including a woman.

Now can you imagine a film made of the reverse? Where a white guy goes on a killing spree, slicing up blacks? It would be accused of 'racism'... [/QB]

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:
And no where in the film did he kill 'innocent people'? [/QB]

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by Tukuler:
Bible shows have to be white casted because whites
-- the producers and the target audience -- will not
watch or support them otherwise.

Thing is for non-whites to put up the $$$ and produce
shows concerning their own cultures/histories/literatures
or else just shut the hell up.

What? You think the whites should do it for them.

No. Everybody knows to do for self. Everybody
except the _____________s know to do for self.

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You know what...I actually agree with this. Spike Lee was whining about Django Unchained. Yet he or any other black producer has NEVER made a film showing black history in a positive light. And Django Unchained actually showed a black man in a positive light and that movie was written by a white person I believe.

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:
And no where in the film did he kill 'innocent people'?

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According to IMDB, based on the reviews, he kills innocent white women.

On the website hollywoodreporter.com Jo Kington comments: “While whites are busy getting offended on our [black people’s] behalf, they miss completely why we are going to see this film. It’s a bIack man killings white people in masses. I will pay to see that every time."

Meanwhile, on the examiner.com the following Tweets are reported:

“After watching Django, all I wanna do is shoot white people,”

“We need a modern dy django to kill some white people,”

“u wanna kill all white for 30min after you see Django Unchained,”

“After watching Django all I want to do is eat baked beans and biscuits and shoot white people for money”.

Now can you imagine someone tweeting they want to kill blacks? They would be arrested. [/QB]

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by Tukuler:
Bible shows have to be white casted because whites
-- the producers and the target audience -- will not
watch or support them otherwise.

Thing is for non-whites to put up the $$$ and produce
shows concerning their own cultures/histories/literatures
or else just shut the hell up.

What? You think the whites should do it for them.

No. Everybody knows to do for self. Everybody
except the _____________s know to do for self.

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You know what...I actually agree with this. Spike Lee was whining about Django Unchained. Yet he or any other black producer has NEVER made a film showing black history in a positive light. And Django Unchained actually showed a black man in a positive light and that movie was written by a white person I believe.

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Spike lee did that war 2 movie, Miracle at St. Anna (2008) and Malcom-X starring denzel washington.
Some african film makers have done some black african history films but they do not make to certain western viewers both black and white except maybe britian to a point.

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by Faheemdunkers:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:
And no where in the film did he kill 'innocent people'?

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According to IMDB, based on the reviews, he kills innocent white women.

On the website hollywoodreporter.com Jo Kington comments: “While whites are busy getting offended on our [black people’s] behalf, they miss completely why we are going to see this film. It’s a bIack man killings white people in masses. I will pay to see that every time."

Meanwhile, on the examiner.com the following Tweets are reported:

“After watching Django, all I wanna do is shoot white people,”

“We need a modern dy django to kill some white people,”

“u wanna kill all white for 30min after you see Django Unchained,”

“After watching Django all I want to do is eat baked beans and biscuits and shoot white people for money”.

Now can you imagine someone tweeting they want to kill blacks? They would be arrested.

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No if you actually watch the movie the only 'white women' he killed was the white women that was working with the slave master and she and the slave master were NOT innocent.

Django was not just going on a spree 'killing white men'. The main shoot out was with the slave masters henchmen. The shoot out occurred after the Django's partner(a white man) was killed and Django was also trying to rescue his wife.

Not only that...The main antagonist towards the end of the movie was a black man played Samuel L Jackson. No Django was not going around killing 'innocent white people'. I was the movie about three times already. [/QB]

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Why weren't they innocent? From the review I read the white woman was innocent. Either way, the film is historically inaccurate.

Quentin Tarantino is mixed race. If you read up on his background, you will discover he claims he was bullied by 'whites' for being 1/4 Amerindian. You can see these Amerindid features in his face:



So his hatred for white people stems from his upbringing. This led him to blaxpoitation (Tarantino watches black porn) and to make movies about killing white people.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^^What the heck does Quentin Tarantino being mixed race have to Django killing innocent white people? Django Unchained is no different from other Tarantino films. That's how most of his films are like.

Again the only 'white women' he killed was that white women who was with the slave master(who was the ANTAGONIST again ANTAGONIST of the film). Most of the film had to do with Django trying to find and rescue his wife with his 'white' partner who was helping him. Ironically his 'white' partner was more ruthless and was doing the majority of the killings throughout their quest to find Django's wife.

Django only killed people in the film who were hostiles or people he wanted revenge on. I don't get where the hell people are getting he killed innocent white people from.
 

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Posted by Faheemdunkers (Member # 20844) on :
 

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[QB] ^^^What the heck does Quentin Tarantino being mixed race have to Django killing white people?

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Tarantino apparently came from a dysfunctional family background. While his father Tony Tarantino was of Italian origin, his mother Connie McHugh, was half Irish and half Cherokee Indian, and it seems they married when Connie became pregnant with Quentin at the tender age of fourteen.

This story is told in greater detail in author Sharon Waxman’s book ‘Rebels on the Backlot – Six Maverick Directors and How they Conquered the Hollywood Studio System’, and the book reveals that Connie soon split with Tarantino’s father and later married a man called, Curt Zastoupil, with whom she and young Tarantino lived for several years.

Sharon Waxman describes in her book how unhappy Tarantino was at school and subject to much bullying and teasing by the other children. Tarantino would have been a school pupil at a time when Western films and TV programmes would have been popular, and at a time when Whites composed c. 90% of the population of the US. With the conflict depicted in films of that time between White settlers and ‘Red Indian’ tribes, one can imagine that much of the teasing Tarantino received at school may have revolved around his part Cherokee ancestry.

I could be wrong, but this may be the reason why Tarantino appears to like making racially charged films that denigrate and demonise the White characters depicted and particularly those White characters who would be presumed to have pride in their race. Perhaps on a subconscious level at least, he is still taking his revenge on the schoolboy tormentors that made him so unhappy at school?

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Originally posted by Firewall:
Quentin Tarantino is not mixed race,he still white.He just have some admixture,but that does not mean mixed race.

His mother was half native american,not him.
She would be a mixed race native american if she still looks basically native american.

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He's visibly mixed. Look at his facial bone structure. Very few people can pass as 'white' if they are 1/4 Amerindian. I've only ever seen one photo of a 1/4 Eskimo 3/4 Swede who could pass as white. The level of admixture of passing is usually 1/8 or 1/16.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
I have disagree.
I think you need a rest from the computer.

He does not look mixed,you wording wrong,at most he may look like he has some admixture(maybe) if want to go there.
Mixed race is not not a race anyway.


He still looks white,and besides if no one looks at this family tree like you have normal folks just from looking at him for the first time will see him clearly still has a white person.
 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Here is my take on things people like to play games If you go strictly by Black someone will say yeah how black,were they black black,or just dark and don't even get into the nose thing a thread can last days on end just on nose alone,I like to go by culture that always have them in a bind sending them scurrying,the new science of Dna mapping is proving to be a boon when you come at them from a multi disciplined approach I find that one of two things will happen.#1 dead silence or
#2 tacit acknowledgement.

Brada's Debate Rules

#1 Be polite rudeness sends a signal that you are not control of your emotion and can be exploited even if the position you hold is right.

#2 Do not allow yourself to be baited by off topic
rants.(usually they are using the rant to escape or as a delaying tactic)

#3 Before going in a debate have at-least three independent sources for what you are presenting have at least one primary source in that bag.

#4 Never let them walk without looking at your sources if needs be have them explain the links or sources you have provided and the reasons for dismissing them with sources of equal validity but the conversations stops until till then.

#5 Be-where of your own ego,never knowingly enter a debate with materials you knew was faulty just to win points,as you don't know what your opponent know,if your opponent came with air-tight solid material then concede(check da ego) an old source can be used as a supplement but never as your main source.

These are points I have adopted from various posters here over the years,some present some not,and that's why this place is hated for this was a place where Eurocentrism came to die.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^^^Amazing post...Just amazing. The last sentence was just good.
 

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Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
 
But I am just curious...I wanted to get to the bottom of this. How did EgyptSearch get associated with Afrocentrism?

Like every other forum egyptsearch has a variety of views. Actually there are debates all the time between alleged "Afrocentric" members as Djehuti pointed out. There is sharp disagreement with certain "Olmec" theories as just one example.

The so called Afrocentric "association" is BS. WHat those who make this claim really mean, is that they are upset that there is a substantial database of evidence and hard-nosed, suported analysis therefrom, testifying to the diversity of African peoples and the African continent (along wiht its outgoings) and presenting a clear, balanced, scholarly picture of the same.

Furthermore, unlike other forums, the games they play on Wikipedia with bogus references, bogus text, "stealth" removal of information, edit warring etc can't work here. All the data is laid out, with associated citations, for ALL to actually see and draw their own conclusions, and debate. None of that WIkipedia "stealth" bullshiit and administrator collaboration bullshiit works here.

Another reason Eurocentric and "bidoversity" hypocrites don't like ES is that it is a true, open scholarly forum, that has a reliable, verifable, central database in place. You dont have to take any interpretation a poster makes- verify the scholarly citation for yourself. There is nothing to hide. ANd the data cannot be buried. It is duplicated across several websites, with good representation in Google's top 10 or 20.

If ES disappeared tomorrow it would not make a difference. The data is well in hand and expanding every day. Those who hoped to bury it, either by "stealth" or by use of forum administrators to "ban" have failed. "Bans" on various "biodiversity" websites have also failed to stop the flow of data. The disappearance of one mirror or website will not stop that flow. Its like the many-headed hydra of the revolutionary Atlantic. CUt off one head, and 3 more will appear.



ES, and other similar forums in a sense, represent the peoples forces, unimpressed and unintimidated by certain biased Eurocentric academics or "biodiversity" bullshiit in whatever guise. We are only too happy to take them all on, and take them down. We can do guerrilla fighting, we can do main-force fighting. To paraphrase Giap- big database, big victory.


 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^ Excellent post Zarahan. I love it.


I also noticed on Biodiversity forum a Admin HAS TO verify your post for it to show...
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
What you guys think of this?

Should blacks leave Christianity and lslam?even the the africanized versions and go back to the more native african faiths?


I read over time that coptic christianity is a native african faith has well just like the african version of islam,not the arab version.

Of course if these VERSIONS COULD BE CONSIDERED native african then so be it,but they are not has native has the more pure grown african faiths like the ancient nubian religion, ancient egyptians religion etc...

I prefer the more native african faiths like nubian,ancient egyptian,akan,yoruba,mande etc..


Here something about some blacks returning back to thier more native faiths.
This one focuses on blacks in the united states.
It's interesting to read.


Are blacks abandoning Christianity for African faiths?

http://thegrio.com/2011/10/19/african-religions-gain-following-among-black-christians/
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^^'Page not found.'
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Sorry about that,let me find again.I just added some new stuff in post as well.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Let's see if this works.

Are blacks abandoning Christianity for African faiths?

http://thegrio.com/2011/10/19/african-religions-gain-following-among-black-christians/
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^^Link works.

Thanks.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
No problem,i will add the working link in other post as well.

After you read the info inside tell us what you think.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
Read half way through it. So far its an interesting read. So far I like this part...

"How can you tell me I’m going to a place [hell] that you’ve never been?” Belagun asked.

“And how do you know that you’re not going there?”
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
The reason i bring this topic up or one of the reason is because i have no idea who really were the hebrews.

This bible series gave me some time to think,and there seems to be,well if the hebrews were they black or white or both?

Certain african scholars i have read in the past said the hebrews were originally white,and just because some blacks came into that group later that does not make the hebrews a black group and most still remain white if many had some admixture.

It's said that the arabs were originally white,not those of saba who are really arabians not arabs,and since arabs and hebrews are closely related it seems that the hebrews were white from some african scholars i read in the past that i respect said.

Chancellor williams is one of them.

They did not get everything right but they seem to make themselves really clear about the hebrews.


Has for egyptians,axumites etc,i know clearly what they were.
Folks like phoenicians,carthaginians etc,i have really no idea.

Has anyone done wide spread dna testing on hebrews,phoenicians etc..

I always get answers like,we have no idea if moses was black or white and the same with jesus OR it should not matter what color they were,
if they ever existed at all.


To me i will stick to faiths and cultures that i know that are clearly african or black in origin,and i can't speak for anyone else just me.

I personally think folks of african origin should get back to the more native african faiths,and for those that can't at least africanized your beliefs if you stay in the christian faith or islam.

Like i said there are africanized versions for those two faiths,but it's better to get back to the more native faiths.

That's my view,and like i said i can't speak for others just myself.


Note- many arabs today still seem to be white,just like many jewish folks.
 

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Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
Wanna know why ES is Feared through the Internet?

Cause we are SOLDIERS. We let the FACTS fall where it may and we slaughter the racists euros who come here with lies and deceptions.

Just finished reading Youtube, and was lauaghing at these low life named phonecian7 scrambleing to claim the WHOLE ENTIRE E-CLADE as NON AFRICAN. Cuse me while I laugh Bahahahahahah.

We Black, White, African, Latin etc Are ALL SOLDIERS some CHrisitan Soldiers like Me, and some Soldiers for Humanity and Some conscious Soldiers with an higher feel for people.

Every day I thank God I am able to speak and learn from Truthseekers like people here with No fear of Haters and there threats. Remember what the Bible teaches,"don't fear him that can only kill you once then has nothing he could do after, Fear the person, that when he kills can throw you into Hell, Fear him"

Africans and Euros are standing side by side in the fight to right the wrongs of the 18th century evils forced on minorities and claiming Africans 3/5th of an Human being. Same people that Gave us Freedom Fighters Like Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Marcus Mosiah Garvey
Huey Newton, Steve Biko of south Africa Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks, Jackie Robinson(1st Black Baseball player) Sad these days is the Youngstas are being brainwashed with Rap music that promotes Sex, Drugs, Beating woman, Gun violence and money. Children are being dumbed down because this evil disgusting world is desperate to quell TRUE REVOLUTION by targeting the Next Gen with Condoms and teaching youth as young as 7 Learning about homosexuality? Really?? Children really need to learn about 2 men having SEX??? Really?? And to top it all off now Teacher gave students 13 yearsold an porn book. How Evil do you have to be to promote Sex and toddlers Read this story people:

B.C. mom outraged after son brings home graphic sexual flipbook from school


I went to a Catholic school in the 1960s, so it goes without saying that my sex education consisted of puzzled playground discussions and furtive looks at Playboy magazines.

I wonder what the nuns at my school would have made of the explicit little pamphlet that turned up at a Grade 8 sex-education class in Nanaimo, on Vancouver Island.

A flipbook (you riffle the pages with your fingers to create a moving

image) entitled Put on Something Sexy that depicts a woman putting a condom on her lover's erect penis, after which the naked couple make love, was made available at the Jan. 31 class in Wellington Secondary School, the National Post reported.

The flip book, whose pages can be viewed here, apparently was given to a boy as a prize in the Grade 8 sexual-health class (I wonder what he had to do to win it).

When the parents of the 13-year-old saw the pamphlet they hit the roof.

I was physically nauseous when I saw what they had given to him,” mother Cathy Sanders told CTV News.


The boy's father, Clay Sanders, said the flipbook was "cartoon pornography."

“I don’t think any depictions of sexual activity are necessary to pass on to children in school,” he told CTV News.

Officials of the Nanaimo-Ladysmith school district quickly apologized, sending a letter to parents of students who'd attended the session. Spokeswoman Donna Reimer said AIDS Vancouver Island had provided the booklet, which had not been approved beforehand.

“When the school discovered the material they realized it was inappropriate and they removed it,” Reimer told CTV News.

But AIDS Vancouver Island, which has been involved in student education for 15 years, defended its use of the flipbook, saying it's been featured in many classes previously without incident.

“Providing students with straightforward, non-judgmental information about safer sex and sexuality is critical to making sure that those students know how to protect themselves against not only HIV but also a host of other sexually transmitted infections,” spokesman Eric Berndt told CTV News.

Reimer told the Daily News AIDS Vancouver had put material on a display table for students to look at. One pamphlet explaining oral sex was removed when an administrator spotted it.

In future, all materials will be reviewed by the school district before being used in sex-ed classes, she said.

Cathy Sanders said she worried her son had been traumatized by the flipbook.

"Once a child is exposed to something, you can never erase that from their memory," she said.


Make of that comment what you will, but the incident does raise questions about age-appropriate materials.

[ Related: Sex education delays teen sex, study finds ]

School sex education has always met resistance from some parents who see the facts-of-life talk to be their job. If schools want a role, parents must be allies. There has to be a balance between being explicit enough to get the message across and without being so graphic you risk a parental backlash.

The web site About Kids Health, administered by Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children, offers some guidelines about what's appropriate to discuss at particular phases of childhood. It notes teens tend to be more private about these things, which makes an early discussion about sexual basics and safer sex essential.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/b-c-mom-outraged-son-brings-home-graphic-203501677.html


PEOPLE, This is just the Tip of the Iceberg an good friend told me. AS long as our yutes are brainwashed with witchcraft, wizardy, zombies etc WE will be in serious trouble.

Our Communties need role models for the yutes instaed of this, we see children losing there lives as young as 9. In my Community we lost the life of an great wonderful and caring teen at 15. How an grown man can hurt an child and think they "gangsta and cool" is making me wanna puke. Children are NOT to be harmed yet all through out NA we see death of the future.

We are ALL IMMIGRANTS TO CANADA AND USA, The 1st people Natives, deserve WAY more respect and support in there communities. Understabd people Natives had it WORSE then ANY holocaust because the Lost control of there own lands and now live in reserves, as If they are cattle. I support ALL people, I also realize we should put more Jobs and support in Native . Natives are brothers to Blacks, Indians and ASians To see that Natives live in Homes with out toilet and hot water is shamefull and shows that the elites only care about making an profit even if it destroys our Swamps, Jungles and rainforests we need these things to live on this earth, Trees soak up Carbon monoxide and allow us to live health and clean life(Is'nt God Good People? I mean we have trees that basically eat gases that hurt us, Proof there is an God). Natives are fighting for protection of our forests and they need help from ALL immigrants Whether Black, White, Latino, Indian Asian. We must Move as one and stand United against lies and corruption.

Credit the SEEKERS Zarahan, Djehuti Troll Patrol, TruthCentric, Doug M, Al Takruri, XYZman etc for there hard work and never ending breakdown of studies that many laymen are confused with. Keep walking with Jah, and Jah will keep walking with you.
 

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Posted by Faheemdunkers (Member # 20844) on :
 

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If ES disappeared tomorrow it would not make a difference. The data is well in hand and expanding every day. Those who hoped to bury it, either by "stealth" or by use of forum administrators to "ban" have failed. "Bans" on various "biodiversity" websites have also failed to stop the flow of data

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If ES disappeared tomorrow it would not make a difference. The data is well in hand and expanding every day. Those who hoped to bury it, either by "stealth" or by use of forum administrators to "ban" have failed. "Bans" on various "biodiversity" websites have also failed to stop the flow of data

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No one takes your data serious retard. All you've done is created a few crappy drawings on paint tool. Your "references" are all bogus, as already revealed. Most of the time they don't support what you say.

None of your data has entered peer-reviewed journals. You're left with paint tool and a shitty website "es reloaded".

In 50 years or whenever when you die, your site will have changed nothing. What you afroloons fail to understand is that afrocentrism is pseudo-history. Academia will always reject it. Creating diagrams on paint tool, and creating webforums via proboards isn't going to change anything.

"The data is well in hand and expanding every day." - Its so sad you think your "data" actually means something. lmao.

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If ES disappeared tomorrow it would not make a difference. The data is well in hand and expanding every day. Those who hoped to bury it, either by "stealth" or by use of forum administrators to "ban" have failed. "Bans" on various "biodiversity" websites have also failed to stop the flow of data

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No one takes your data serious retard. All you've done is created a few crappy drawings on paint tool. Your "references" are all bogus, as already revealed. Most of the time they don't support what you say.

None of your data has entered peer-reviewed journals. You're left with paint tool and a shitty website "es reloaded".

In 50 years or whenever when you die, your site will have changed nothing. What you afroloons fail to understand is that afrocentrism is pseudo-history. Academia will always reject it. Creating diagrams on paint tool, and creating webforums via proboards isn't going to change anything.

"The data is well in hand and expanding every day." - Its so sad you think your "data" actually means something. lmao.

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Um...What have we posted that indicates we are 'Afrocentrics' or 'afrolooms' as you call it. Just because some may disagree with you doesn't mean they are a 'Afrocentric' or 'afroloom'. Seriously how old are you?
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Oh this delilah- in bible series.





Delilah was philistine.
The philistines origin seems to be from Aegean.

quote-
One of a people of Aegean origin who settled on the southern coast of Palestine in the 12th century bc, about the time of the arrival of the Israelites.





Some of those angels.

 

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Posted by Faheemdunkers (Member # 20844) on :
 

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If ES disappeared tomorrow it would not make a difference. The data is well in hand and expanding every day. Those who hoped to bury it, either by "stealth" or by use of forum administrators to "ban" have failed. "Bans" on various "biodiversity" websites have also failed to stop the flow of data

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No one takes your data serious retard. All you've done is created a few crappy drawings on paint tool. Your "references" are all bogus, as already revealed. Most of the time they don't support what you say.

None of your data has entered peer-reviewed journals. You're left with paint tool and a shitty website "es reloaded".

In 50 years or whenever when you die, your site will have changed nothing. What you afroloons fail to understand is that afrocentrism is pseudo-history. Academia will always reject it. Creating diagrams on paint tool, and creating webforums via proboards isn't going to change anything.

"The data is well in hand and expanding every day." - Its so sad you think your "data" actually means something. lmao.

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YOu need to take a stroll over to academia.edu

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lol. How many papers have I posted here that refute Afrocentrism? Over 100. Note that all you're left with is conspiracy theories (just view Zaharan's crackpot post about "infiltrators" or people who are "trying to hide the truth" by removing wikipedia edits... ).

Scholars/mainstream academia do not support Afrocentrism. So all Afrocentrics are left with is creating blogspots, crappy proboards or diagrams on paint tools. Afrocentrism doesn't exist in the real world - its a cyber phenomenon. That's why serious academics don't engage Afrocentrics online - they see Afrocentrism as nothing more than trolling.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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And Django Unchained actually showed a black man in a positive light and that movie was written by a white person I believe.

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Have you seen the film? He does nothing but kill innocent people, including a woman.

Now can you imagine a film made of the reverse? Where a white guy goes on a killing spree, slicing up blacks? It would be accused of 'racism'...

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Um...There are a lot of those films...And when I mean positive light I mean a black man actually 'winning at the end'.

And no where in the film did he kill 'innocent people'? [/QB]

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ROTFLMAO

Son, you do realize you are arguing with a white supremacist idiot par examplar?? According to this nutcase slave holders who kidnap and rape women are somehow "innocent". But I'm sure in his warped mind they're innocent so long as their victims are black. Oh and let's be frank even after the abolishment of slavery, many black women still fell prey to rape and sexual assault by white men. So contrary to what the idiot says apparently black women were very 'wanted' by white racists.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

^^^What the heck does Quentin Tarantino being mixed race have to Django killing innocent white people? Django Unchained is no different from other Tarantino films. That's how most of his films are like.

Again the only 'white women' he killed was that white women who was with the slave master(who was the ANTAGONIST again ANTAGONIST of the film). Most of the film had to do with Django trying to find and rescue his wife with his 'white' partner who was helping him. Ironically his 'white' partner was more ruthless and was doing the majority of the killings throughout their quest to find Django's wife.

Django only killed people in the film who were hostiles or people he wanted revenge on. I don't get where the hell people are getting he killed innocent white people from.

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LMAO Indeed, Tarantino even with his Native American ancestry is STILL predominantly and thus JUST white!! LOL @ this pathetic "self-hating" white man because he's part Native American! I swear you white racist loons are the nuttiest! Tarantino does not hate whites (his own people) anymore than he hates asians since the vast majority of people killed in his Kill Bill series were Asian!! LOL @ this dumbf*ck reading 'race' into everything! You're worse than paranoid blacks in America who read racism into everything! Tarantino makes movies based on the sensationalized notion of REVENGE pure and simple and it really has nothing to do with race. If Django hated all white people how come he did not kill all of his white partners?? LOL
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by Faheemdunkers:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:
And Django Unchained actually showed a black man in a positive light and that movie was written by a white person I believe.

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Have you seen the film? He does nothing but kill innocent people, including a woman.

Now can you imagine a film made of the reverse? Where a white guy goes on a killing spree, slicing up blacks? It would be accused of 'racism'...

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Um...There are a lot of those films...And when I mean positive light I mean a black man actually 'winning at the end'.

And no where in the film did he kill 'innocent people'?

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ROTFLMAO

Son, you do realize you are arguing with a white supremacist idiot par examplar?? According to this nutcase slave holders who kidnap and rape women are somehow "innocent". But I'm sure in his warped mind they're innocent so long as their victims are black. Oh and let's be frank even after the abolishment of slavery, many black women still fell prey to rape and sexual assault by white men. So contrary to what the idiot says apparently black women were very 'wanted' by white racists. [/QB]

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Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova:

But I am just curious...I wanted to get to the bottom of this. How did EgyptSearch get associated with Afrocentrism?

Like every other forum egyptsearch has a variety of views. Actually there are debates all the time between alleged "Afrocentric" members as Djehuti pointed out. There is sharp disagreement with certain "Olmec" theories as just one example.

The so called Afrocentric "association" is BS. WHat those who make this claim really mean, is that they are upset that there is a substantial database of evidence and hard-nosed, suported analysis therefrom, testifying to the diversity of African peoples and the African continent (along wiht its outgoings) and presenting a clear, balanced, scholarly picture of the same.

Furthermore, unlike other forums, the games they play on Wikipedia with bogus references, bogus text, "stealth" removal of information, edit warring etc can't work here. All the data is laid out, with associated citations, for ALL to actually see and draw their own conclusions, and debate. None of that WIkipedia "stealth" bullshiit and administrator collaboration bullshiit works here.

Another reason Eurocentric and "bidoversity" hypocrites don't like ES is that it is a true, open scholarly forum, that has a reliable, verifable, central database in place. You dont have to take any interpretation a poster makes- verify the scholarly citation for yourself. There is nothing to hide. ANd the data cannot be buried. It is duplicated across several websites, with good representation in Google's top 10 or 20.

If ES disappeared tomorrow it would not make a difference. The data is well in hand and expanding every day. Those who hoped to bury it, either by "stealth" or by use of forum administrators to "ban" have failed. "Bans" on various "biodiversity" websites have also failed to stop the flow of data. The disappearance of one mirror or website will not stop that flow. Its like the many-headed hydra of the revolutionary Atlantic. CUt off one head, and 3 more will appear.



ES, and other similar forums in a sense, represent the peoples forces, unimpressed and unintimidated by certain biased Eurocentric academics or "biodiversity" bullshiit in whatever guise. We are only too happy to take them all on, and take them down. We can do guerrilla fighting, we can do main-force fighting. To paraphrase Giap- big database, big victory.

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I couldn't have put it better myself. Notice how Euronut fools like Anglo-idiot accuse us Egyptsearch veterans as being erroneous losers. If that's so then why the hell does he keep trying to debate us and LOSE every time??! LOL I've notice over the past years that I visit this forum that Euronut trolls are have this addiction to spread their lies and erroneous beliefs even against folks armed with the truth! I used ask why bother when we know we're right but I agree with Rasol and Explorer that we might as well USE these nitwits to our advantage by pulling their strings to 'debate' us more as to expose their idiocy for the world to see.

And yes as Zarahan has stated the mountains of evidence cannot be erased, and is constantly being spread in other websites by other peoples in other parts of the globe.

Fartheadbonkers is fighting a war he lost ages ago. Which is exactly why he mentally continues to dwell in the 20th century still stuck in Coon scholarship.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by Faheemdunkers:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:
And Django Unchained actually showed a black man in a positive light and that movie was written by a white person I believe.

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Have you seen the film? He does nothing but kill innocent people, including a woman.

Now can you imagine a film made of the reverse? Where a white guy goes on a killing spree, slicing up blacks? It would be accused of 'racism'...

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Um...There are a lot of those films...And when I mean positive light I mean a black man actually 'winning at the end'.

And no where in the film did he kill 'innocent people'?

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ROTFLMAO

Son, you do realize you are arguing with a white supremacist idiot par examplar?? According to this nutcase slave holders who kidnap and rape women are somehow "innocent". But I'm sure in his warped mind they're innocent so long as their victims are black. Oh and let's be frank even after the abolishment of slavery, many black women still fell prey to rape and sexual assault by white men. So contrary to what the idiot says apparently black women were very 'wanted' by white racists. [/QB]

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No one takes your data serious retard. All you've done is created a few crappy drawings on paint tool. Your "references" are all bogus, as already revealed. Most of the time they don't support what you say.

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None of your data has entered peer-reviewed journals. You're left with paint tool and a shitty website "es reloaded".

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Virtually ALL of Zarahan's data comes from peer-reviewed journals you nitwit!! And unlike YOU his data post-dates the 1960s LMAO

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In 50 years or whenever when you die, your site will have changed nothing. What you afroloons fail to understand is that afrocentrism is pseudo-history. Academia will always reject it. Creating diagrams on paint tool, and creating webforums via proboards isn't going to change anything.

"The data is well in hand and expanding every day." - Its so sad you think your "data" actually means something. lmao.

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Again it's not just Zarahan's personal collection of data but ALL scientific and historical data revealing the TRUTH!

One of the European scholars furthering this advancement is a countrywoman of YOURS-- a fellow Brit!!

The Fitzwilliam Museum: An African Approach to Egypt

^ The above website and museum was started by and curated by yours truly Dr. Sally-Ann Ashton.

part 1

part 2

No doubt your warped mind would reason that she is doing this for some social agenda of political correctness or worse-- that she's a 'self-hating' white who hates her own people and has a thing for black men! LMAO

Whatever motive you may giver her, I assure you what she teaches is based on FACTUAL evidence of the exact same kind Zarahan has!!


 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^^I remember watching those two videos.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Indeed, I also recall the nasty and vicious attacks Dr. Ashton received for those lectures as well as for her whole work in revealing Egypt's black African identity. She was called a "race traitor" and a white woman who "probably has a thing for black men and probably has a children by a black man"! These are just two of the benign comments I read from the Euronuts and all because she didn't fall into their ranks.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, racism is a mental disorder. And we have Faheembonkers to prove it.
 

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Posted by Faheemdunkers (Member # 20844) on :
 

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Son, you do realize you are arguing with a white supremacist idiot par examplar?? According to this nutcase slave holders who kidnap and rape women are somehow "innocent". But I'm sure in his warped mind they're innocent so long as their victims are black. Oh and let's be frank even after the abolishment of slavery, many black women still fell prey to rape and sexual assault by white men. So contrary to what the idiot says apparently black women were very 'wanted' by white racists.

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The first slave owner in American history was black.

Anthony Johnson came to the American colonies in August, 1619 as an indentured servant. In 1623 Johnson had completed his indenture and was recognized as a free negro. In 1651 he acquired 250 acres of land in Virginia, later adding another 250 acres; a sizable holding at the time.

Free blacks commonly owned black slaves in the antebellum South.

There were thousands of black slave owners in the South.

"In 1830 there were 3,775 such slaveholders in the South who owned 12,740 black slaves"

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
One of the European scholars furthering this advancement is a countrywoman of YOURS-- a fellow Brit!!

The Fitzwilliam Museum: An African Approach to Egypt

^ The above website and museum was started by and curated by yours truly Dr. Sally-Ann Ashton.

part 1

part 2

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Indeed, I also recall the nasty and vicious attacks Dr. Ashton received for those lectures as well as for her whole work in revealing Egypt's black African identity. She was called a "race traitor" and a white woman who "probably has a thing for black men and probably has a children by a black man"! These are just two of the benign comments I read from the Euronuts and all because she didn't fall into their ranks.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, racism is a mental disorder. And we have Faheembonkers to prove it.

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Originally posted by Fartheadbonkers:

Most slave owners were not 'white', but 'black'. Don't also forget it was 'blacks' who sold them in the first place:

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The first slave owner in American history was black.

Anthony Johnson came to the American colonies in August, 1619 as an indentured servant. In 1623 Johnson had completed his indenture and was recognized as a free negro. In 1651 he acquired 250 acres of land in Virginia, later adding another 250 acres; a sizable holding at the time.

Free blacks commonly owned black slaves in the antebellum South.

There were thousands of black slave owners in the South.

"In 1830 there were 3,775 such slaveholders in the South who owned 12,740 black slaves"

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ef2_1336262149

In 1860 the largest slave owner in South Carolina was William Ellison, a 'Black' plantation owner.

Zaharan's "role models" again... [/QB]

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by Fartheadbonkers:

Most slave owners were not 'white', but 'black'. Don't also forget it was 'blacks' who sold them in the first place:

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LOL I suggest you stick to your own British history since your ignorance on American history betrays you.

Most slave owners in America were white of course, since most property owning citizens in America were white, dummy! As for blacks selling them in the first place, you obviously don't know that in Africa the institute of slavery was different from that practiced in America. Slaves in Africa were foreign prisoners or war or from enemy nations but in status were no different from servants and still had certain rights. They could even buy their freedom. It was only in America particularly due to racist white idiots like yourself who see blacks as sub-human were they treated harshly. The same was true for another black African society called Kemet (Egypt) where slaves were never a significant population and largely consisted of prisoners of war. The height of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade was due to the result of feudal wars between African states peddled by European colonialists in which they exchanged slaves for guns. Using such a tactic, the Euro-colonialist were able to divide and conquer. The British used a similar system in China except instead they traded opium for guns and gun powder.

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The first slave owner in American history was black.

Anthony Johnson came to the American colonies in August, 1619 as an indentured servant. In 1623 Johnson had completed his indenture and was recognized as a free negro. In 1651 he acquired 250 acres of land in Virginia, later adding another 250 acres; a sizable holding at the time.

Free blacks commonly owned black slaves in the antebellum South.

There were thousands of black slave owners in the South.

"In 1830 there were 3,775 such slaveholders in the South who owned 12,740 black slaves"

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ef2_1336262149

In 1860 the largest slave owner in South Carolina was William Ellison, a 'Black' plantation owner.

Zaharan's "role models" again...

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Actually your source is somewhat in accurate. Because the first slaves in America were WHITE indentured servants who tried to escape their debt bondage and thus were made slaves. If Anthony Johnson was the first slave owner then he owned whites i.e. your British cousins. LOL

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too. [/QB]

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Fartheadbonkers:

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
One of the European scholars furthering this advancement is a countrywoman of YOURS-- a fellow Brit!!

The Fitzwilliam Museum: An African Approach to Egypt

^ The above website and museum was started by and curated by yours truly Dr. Sally-Ann Ashton.

part 1

part 2

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They are not trained in classics, and this is evident from the video. Their degree is in archaeology, with a thesis in sculpture.

Yes - I don't take a word they say serious. If you want an honest 'Black' classical scholar on the ancient Egyptians look up Frank Snowden, who pointed out the majority were not Black, but Caucasoid and hybrids, and called for 'Blacks' to embrace their sub-saharan african roots. He acknowledged North Africa is Caucasoid history.

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First of all, Dr. Sally-Ann Ashton is an Egyptologist with a PhD. in Ptolemaic Egypt including an MA in Classics you f*cking idiot! LMAOH

Not only can she read 'Classical' Greco-Roman literature, but unlike YOU she can read them in their original Greek and Latin forms! In fact, what led her to study Egypt's black identity in the first place were Greek and Latin descriptions of the Egyptians as very dark or BLACK people comparable with Ethiopians, you dummy!! So obviously an expert like her didn't make the dumbass mistake of mistranslating Greek descriptions of the Egyptians as being burnt black to being tanned or sunburned the way YOU did! LOL

Second of all, unlike Snowden, Ashton also relies on accurate and more up to-date anthropology. This is why unlike Snowden, she does not fall for the "true negro" stereotype and dismiss every black person with narrow noses, thin lips, or loose hair, as "Caucasian-mixed"! LOL Again, why you cling to outdated Snowden as your token negro crony while trying in vain to dismiss Ashton.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Indeed, I also recall the nasty and vicious attacks Dr. Ashton received for those lectures as well as for her whole work in revealing Egypt's black African identity. She was called a "race traitor" and a white woman who "probably has a thing for black men and probably has a children by a black man"! These are just two of the benign comments I read from the Euronuts and all because she didn't fall into their ranks.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, racism is a mental disorder. And we have Faheembonkers to prove it.

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Than this guy must REALLY be a race traitor...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98viuKQnIWU&list=FLOi5yL1B9aLEWSTjyIwcWLw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po1RGmzfnNY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWS1oUb9PqM

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Ah good old Basil Davidson. Yes he was one of the pioneering white 'Afrocentrists'. LOL

Unfortunately for Farthead, by the time Davidson passed, he had many protégé like Graham Connor and Christopher Ehret. Both of whom publish their works in peer-reviewed journals which we cite here.

Meanwhile the dumb race-heads are wallowing in their own wastes.


 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Indeed, I also recall the nasty and vicious attacks Dr. Ashton received for those lectures as well as for her whole work in revealing Egypt's black African identity. She was called a "race traitor" and a white woman who "probably has a thing for black men and probably has a children by a black man"! These are just two of the benign comments I read from the Euronuts and all because she didn't fall into their ranks.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, racism is a mental disorder. And we have Faheembonkers to prove it.

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Than this guy must REALLY be a race traitor...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98viuKQnIWU&list=FLOi5yL1B9aLEWSTjyIwcWLw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po1RGmzfnNY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWS1oUb9PqM

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Ah good old Basil Davidson. Yes he was one of the pioneering white 'Afrocentrists'. LOL

Unfortunately for Farthead, by the time Davidson passed, he had many protégé like Graham Connor and Christopher Ehret. Both of whom publish their works in peer-reviewed journals which we cite here.

Meanwhile the dumb race-heads are wallowing in their own wastes.

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I also wonder what they feel about Sarah Tiskoff? She focuses a lot on African diversity.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ She only does so because of human origins in Africa but unfortunately when it comes to Egypt she still holds some 'traditional' bias.

Even independent scholar and 'feminist' historian Max Dashu could be called 'Afrocentric' for acknowledging the truth.:

Racism, History, & Lies

African Queens
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^^^Bwahahahahahahah!

Also I didn't know Tiskoff was bias of the Ancient EGyptians being African.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
Unfortunately for the Euronuts there are Egyptologists who hold 'Afrocentric' views as well like Kent Weeks, Barbara Lesko, and even Egyptian Egyptologists like Ahmed Saleh and Moustafa Gadalla just to name a few!

There was also the late Frank Yurco, but he may be counted as 'bias' by the Euronuts because his wife happened to be a Caribbean black woman (who when accompanying him on digs would be mistaken for a native Egyptian by actual natives)! LOL

The Farthead and his ilk are kaput.


 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Feehmdom what site did you and some other centric produced ??oh yeah some knock-off of ESR do you still post on your own site btw.

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Now I must admit we don't have much conversations but we are a clearing house for data as Zarahan said one among many so even if ES shuts it's door info is stored elsewhere If ESR goes we still have TNV or Jeri's Blog or Explorer's Blog Ancient Africa's Black Kingdom blog. Rastalivewire and more for if at anytime soldiers need ammo and we have it strategically stashed.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
^^^^
ESR:
This site is estimated worth $1,117,756 USD

what does this mean? Is it an estimate of potential advertising revenue? Seems like a huge figure
 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
I guess potential I donno.
 

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Posted by Faheemdunkers (Member # 20844) on :
 

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First of all, Dr. Sally-Ann Ashton is an Egyptologist with a PhD. in Ptolemaic Egypt including an MA in Classics you f*cking idiot! LMAOH

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Not only can she read 'Classical' Greco-Roman literature, but unlike YOU she can read them in their original Greek and Latin forms! In fact, what led her to study Egypt's black identity in the first place were Greek and Latin descriptions of the Egyptians as very dark or BLACK people comparable with Ethiopians, you dummy!! So obviously an expert like her didn't make the dumbass mistake of mistranslating Greek descriptions of the Egyptians as being burnt black to being tanned or sunburned the way YOU did! LOL

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Second of all, unlike Snowden, Ashton also relies on accurate and more up to-date anthropology. This is why unlike Snowden, she does not fall for the "true negro" stereotype and dismiss every black person with narrow noses, thin lips, or loose hair, as "Caucasian-mixed"! LOL Again, why you cling to outdated Snowden as your token negro crony while trying in vain to dismiss Ashton.

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Snowden didn't cling to the "true Negroid". He claimed Nilotics were a Negroid/'Black' variety, who had orthognathism and thinner noses (though not true leptorrhine) and frizzy hair (less wooly than the true negroid): "certain persons described as Ethiopian were perhaps not so flat-nosed and thick lipped as other Ethiopians" (Snowden, 1970). At least though he had the honesty to claim Negroids arn't wavy/straight haired and leptorrhine.

Do you know how retarded you and Zaharan sound when you claim "Blacks are straight haired and thin nosed"? In the real world this has no basis in fact, because "Black" people don't have those features. Its like claiming Caucasoids have wooly hair and black skin.
 

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Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
 

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Originally posted by Faheemdunkers:

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
First of all, Dr. Sally-Ann Ashton is an Egyptologist with a PhD. in Ptolemaic Egypt including an MA in Classics you f*cking idiot! LMAOH

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That's false. They have no degree in Classics, and lack basic knowledge in this area.

Ashton studied archaeology at King's College London and was awarded a PhD in 1999. Their doctorate was on Ptolemaic royal sculpture.

This woman is a trained field achaeologist who specialises in ancient sculpture, not in classics. Her credentials are uploaded online (yes she has a bachelors in Greek, but not classical literature).

I'm not claiming this women is dumb. However she's not qualified to talk on classics as she does in her video. Its like a zoologist trying to talk about astronomy. She claims the ancient greeks depicted the egyptians as "Black Africans", yet this is contradicted by the ancient literature and is simply wrong. The AE's were always distinguished to the "Aethiopians", who as Snowden showed were those with Negroid physiognomy (wooly hair, thick lips, wide noses).

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However we interpret ancient Greek literature, who do have ancient Greek depictions of Egyptians such as this:


Kantharos (cup) of Herakles and African man (possibly Egyptian King Busiris); Greek, Attic; circa 470 BCE; terracotta (San Antonio Museum of Art)

Maybe Ashton has seen examples like this?
 

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Posted by Faheemdunkers (Member # 20844) on :
 
I never studied the art, only the literature.

One of the earliest sources from Hesiod's Catalogues (7th century BC) states the following: (ll. 8-35) -

"(The Sons of Boreas pursued the Harpies) to the lands of the Massagetae and of the proud Half-Dog men, of the Underground-folk and of the feeble Pygmies; and to the tribes of the boundless Black-skins and the Libyans."

Hesiod's Libya = the whole of North Africa.



- Herodotus' 5th century BC map.

The "boundless Black-skins" are instead contrasted to the Libyans (North Africans were not regarded to be "Black"/have "Black" skin). This distinction is found throughout later literature, so its not a one off. The "blacks" are only the sub-saharan africans, below libya.

Snowden (1970, 1983) shows throughout his books how the greeks contrasted the Egyptians or North Africans (Libyans) to the Aethiopians to the south of them.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
The idiot claims to have knowledge in Classics yet ignores all the Greek and Roman literature describing the Egyptians as burnt black by the sun and as close relatives of Ethiopians.

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Originally posted by Fartheadbonkers:

That's false. They have no degree in Classics, and lack basic knowledge in this area.

Ashton studied archaeology at King's College London and was awarded a PhD in 1999. Their doctorate was on Ptolemaic royal sculpture.

This woman is a trained field achaeologist who specialises in ancient sculpture, not in classics. Her credentials are uploaded online (yes she has a bachelors in Greek, but not classical literature).

I'm not claiming this women is dumb. However she's not qualified to talk on classics as she does in her video. Its like a zoologist trying to talk about astronomy. She claims the ancient greeks depicted the egyptians as "Black Africans", yet this is contradicted by the ancient literature and is simply wrong. The AE's were always distinguished to the "Aethiopians", who as Snowden showed were those with Negroid physiognomy (wooly hair, thick lips, wide noses).

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See above. The AE's were contrasted to the Aethiopians as early as texts from the 7th century BC.

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Snowden didn't cling to the "true Negroid". He claimed Nilotics were a Negroid/'Black' variety, who had orthognathism and thinner noses (though not true leptorrhine) and frizzy hair (less wooly than the true negroid): "certain persons described as Ethiopian were perhaps not so flat-nosed and thick lipped as other Ethiopians" (Snowden, 1970). At least though he had the honesty to claim Negroids arn't wavy/straight haired and leptorrhine.

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Do you know how retarded you and Zaharan sound when you claim "Blacks are straight haired and thin nosed"? In the real world this has no basis in fact, because "Black" people don't have those features. Its like claiming Caucasoids have wooly hair and black skin.

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I didn't exactly say "straight haired" I said loose haired, and that you deny such features among blacks even though we've shown you how many times speaks to your own mental deficiency.

Blacks with...

straight noses





loose hair






Ironically when it comes to Egyptians, there were more Upper Egyptians with loose hair while more Lower Egyptians had wooly hair which is why Herodotus described the Egyptians he saw in the Delta as having wooly hair!



As many do today..

Cairene Arab Egyptian


By the way, here are whites with wooly hair.





You are dismissed!
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
SOMALIA

 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Fartheadbonkers:

I never studied the art, only the literature.

One of the earliest sources from Hesiod's Catalogues (7th century BC) states the following: (ll. 8-35) -

"(The Sons of Boreas pursued the Harpies) to the lands of the Massagetae and of the proud Half-Dog men, of the Underground-folk and of the feeble Pygmies; and to the tribes of the boundless Black-skins and the Libyans."

Hesiod's Libya = the whole of North Africa.



- Herodotus' 5th century BC map.

The "boundless Black-skins" are instead contrasted to the Libyans (North Africans were not regarded to be "Black"/have "Black" skin). This distinction is found throughout later literature, so its not a one off. The "blacks" are only the sub-saharan africans, below libya.

Snowden (1970, 1983) shows throughout his books how the greeks contrasted the Egyptians or North Africans (Libyans) to the Aethiopians to the south of them.

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Originally posted by the lyinass,:

SOMALIA

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Originally posted by Djehuti:


Here, Manilius lists all the dark (black) races from darkest to lightest-- Aethipians, Indians, Aegyptians, Aforum, and Mauretanians.

He then does the same with all the light (white) races:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
SOMALIA

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Originally posted by Faheemdunkers:
Djehuti, the Ethiopian-Egyptian pigmentation contrasts are compiled in Snowden's two books (1970, 1983). There are stacks and stacks of them, he even listed the same contrasts found in early Biblical literature.

In the Acts of Peter for example:

"I saw you sitting on a high place, and before you a great assembly; and a most evil-looking woman, who looked like an Ethiopian, not an Egyptian, but was all black, clothed in filthy rags".

Classical quotes -

"The appearance of the inhabitants is also not very different in India and Ethiopia: the southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically."
- Arrian, Indica vi.9

Strabo confirms in his Geography xv.1.13, in almost identical wording:

"As for the people of India, those in the south are like the Aethiopians in color, although they are like the rest in respect to countenance and hair (for on account of the humidity of the
air their hair does not curl), whereas those in the north are like the Egyptians."

Your Afrocentrism is simply ignoring the fact all ancient writers distinguished the Egyptians to the Ethiopians based on their complexion, but also hair texture. I'm also not sure how you think Manilius helps you, when he is clearly distinguishing the lighter Egyptians to the Aetheiops - and supports Strabo/Arrian.

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People can always count on you to fail
epically. These are just early attestations of
the true negro fallacy. They're contrasting
Egyptians with pitch-black Meroitic Kushites. By
that time (~ common era), the term 'Aethiopia'
was almost exclusively applied to Kushites (who
were very dark skinned), and only rarely to the
people of Northern Sudan, who are described as
only a shade darker than contemporary Egyptians.
And those Northern Indians wouldn't have looked
like Pashtuns either (otherwise those swarthy
Greeks and Romans would have just said Egyptians
look like us, which they never did). Again, you
fail. Dumbass.


 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by the lyinass idiot,:

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Originally posted by Djehuti:


Here, Manilius lists all the dark (black) races from darkest to lightest-- Aethipians, Indians, Aegyptians, Aforum, and Mauretanians.

He then does the same with all the light (white) races:

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note the hypocrisy here.

Djehutie claims not to believe in race

above he refers to a Manilius poem shich mentions a continum of people, nationalities, with skin from dark to light

then Djehutie divides this into two categories which he calls:
"dark (black) races" and " light (white) races"

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Dumbass, I am use the word 'race' the same way Manilius does, that is its original definition which simply meant a group of people and NOT some biological construct!! Thus 'race' IS the same thing as ethnicity or nationality. And it was Manilius NOT I who divided the world into dark and light 'races' (plural) in that the northern areas of the world had light races while the southern areas had dark races. What's more Manilius made it clear there was a continuum or gradation where the division between light and dark blurred near the 'middle' i.e. Mediterranean area. Where did Manilius or I for that matter state anything remotely to the modern concept of biological race??!

Answer: nowhere.

So get your lyinass outta here and back to Mathilda's brothel, b|tch!
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Swenet:

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Originally posted by Faheemdunkers:
Djehuti, the Ethiopian-Egyptian pigmentation contrasts are compiled in Snowden's two books (1970, 1983). There are stacks and stacks of them, he even listed the same contrasts found in early Biblical literature.

In the Acts of Peter for example:

"I saw you sitting on a high place, and before you a great assembly; and a most evil-looking woman, who looked like an Ethiopian, not an Egyptian, but was all black, clothed in filthy rags".

Classical quotes -

"The appearance of the inhabitants is also not very different in India and Ethiopia: the southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically."
- Arrian, Indica vi.9

Strabo confirms in his Geography xv.1.13, in almost identical wording:

"As for the people of India, those in the south are like the Aethiopians in color, although they are like the rest in respect to countenance and hair (for on account of the humidity of the
air their hair does not curl), whereas those in the north are like the Egyptians."

Your Afrocentrism is simply ignoring the fact all ancient writers distinguished the Egyptians to the Ethiopians based on their complexion, but also hair texture. I'm also not sure how you think Manilius helps you, when he is clearly distinguishing the lighter Egyptians to the Aetheiops - and supports Strabo/Arrian.

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People can always count on you to fail
epically. These are just early attestations of
the true negro fallacy. They're contrasting
Egyptians with pitch-black Meroitic Kushites. By
that time (~ common era), the term 'Aethiopia'
was almost exclusively applied to Kushites (who
were very dark skinned), and only rarely to the
people of Northern Sudan, who are described as
only a shade darker than contemporary Egyptians.
And those Northern Indians wouldn't have looked
like Pashtuns either (otherwise those swarthy
Greeks and Romans would have just said Egyptians
look like us, which they never did). Again, you
fail. Dumbass.

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Correct. The lying Anglo-idiot is throwing up the strawman that there was a difference in color or features between Ethiopians and Egyptians. The same can be said between Greeks and Celts to the north of them. In fact there are countless texts that talk about the difference in looks between Greeks and Celts yet the dumb-Anglo does not use these as 'proof' of a racial difference! LOL

And you're correct that northern Indians during 'Classical' times were much darker than today's stereotypical Punjabi. Funny how when I brought up Manilius' quote about Indians being second darkest to Ethiopians, he all of a sudden brings up the Arrian quote distinguishing southern Indians from northern Indians. Yet Manilius does no such thing. He simply says Indians and one with sense would know those Indians he is most familiar with are northern Indians of the Indus Valley since that is the group Greco-Roman authors were most familiar with.
 

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Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
^When Anglo did that, he was doing what he's known for: circular reasoning. What he needs to do is prove that the Northern Indians he cites would have been light skinned.

He cites the Arrian quote, even though the Manillius quote specifies what Arrian would have meant with 'Indian'. How can you use the Arrian quote to counter Manillus, when Manillus is specifying for everyone what Arrian's Indians looked like?
 

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Posted by Faheemdunkers (Member # 20844) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by the lyinass idiot,:

quote:

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Originally posted by Djehuti:


Here, Manilius lists all the dark (black) races from darkest to lightest-- Aethipians, Indians, Aegyptians, Aforum, and Mauretanians.

He then does the same with all the light (white) races:

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note the hypocrisy here.

Djehutie claims not to believe in race

above he refers to a Manilius poem shich mentions a continum of people, nationalities, with skin from dark to light

then Djehutie divides this into two categories which he calls:
"dark (black) races" and " light (white) races"

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Dumbass, I am use the word 'race' the same way Manilius does, that is its original definition which simply meant a group of people and NOT some biological construct!! Thus 'race' IS the same thing as ethnicity or nationality. And it was Manilius NOT I who divided the world into dark and light 'races' (plural) in that the northern areas of the world had light races while the southern areas had dark races. What's more Manilius made it clear there was a continuum or gradation where the division between light and dark blurred near the 'middle' i.e. Mediterranean area. Where did Manilius or I for that matter state anything remotely to the modern concept of biological race??!

Answer: nowhere.

So get your lyinass outta here and back to Mathilda's brothel, b|tch!

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I actually refuted that in a paper I submitted last week. Lucian's Hermotimus classifies man into three races: "White", "Black" and "Yellow". So the tripartite Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid division of 18th century taxonomy, was already in existence 1600 or more years earlier. Race wasn't an invention of European colonists, sorry.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^^Yet its outdated...

Seriously IIRC the Negritos of Southest Asian were grouped a apart of the 'Negroid' race...Yet we all know they are genetically distant from Africans.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Fartheadbonkers:

I actually refuted that in a paper I submitted last week. Lucian's Hermotimus classifies man into three races: "White", "Black" and "Yellow". So the tripartite Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid division of 18th century taxonomy, was already in existence 1600 or more years earlier. Race wasn't an invention of European colonists, sorry.

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ROTFLMAO


This idiot actually tries to project his modern notions of biological race on to the ancient authors!!

Of course the Greeks and Romans had notions of biological race in the sense that they understood certain populations had certain characteristics that are in some way adapted to their environment. This is even reflected in their ancient myths.

For example, have you heard of the myth of Phaeton?? According to legend, Phaeton who was the half-mortal son of Helios (the sun god) tried to drive his father's chariot (the sun) across the sky but failed to control the steeds. Thus he almost crashed the sun on earth scorching up all the southern lands i.e. Libya (Africa), Arabia, and India. Libya was once a fertile but was turned into desert; the same with Arabia. And according to the Greeks that is why all the peoples of 'the south' including the Egyptians are black because their skins were baked by the sun.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
Ahem...I know this is a very noob question. But how do you quote text? I haven't learned to do it as of yet on this site.
 

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Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
PUT SOMETHING IN QUOTES:
(QUOTE) insert your text (/QUOTE)

PUT SOMETHING IN BOLD:
(b) insert your text (/b)

PUT SOMETHING IN ITALICS:
(i) insert your text (/i)

I had to illustrate these examples in round brackets for it to be displayed correctly by this forum. Substitute all round brackets: )( with square brackets: ][ and it will work
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Swenet:

When Anglo did that, he was doing what he's known for: circular reasoning. What he needs to do is prove that the Northern Indians he cites would have been light skinned.

He cites the Arrian quote, even though the Manillius quote specifies what Arrian would have meant with 'Indian'. How can you use the Arrian quote to counter Manillus, when Manillus is specifying for everyone what Arrian's Indians looked like?

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Yes, Manilius simply refers to 'Indians' in general, but Arrian who lived a century after Manilius was more familiar about the peoples of the subcontinent to point out a difference between Indians of the south and Indians of the north. BOTH, by the way were still black. Yet interesting how Arrian notes that the blackness of the south Indians was comparable to Ethiopians (Sudanese) whereas the more mild (often translated 'medium') blackness of northern Indians was comparable to Egyptians. He's basically noting differences in complexion as well as other features. Even a modern 'Sub-Saharan' nation could have populations with different complexions and features. Yet according to the Anglo-loon Arrian means such differences to be 'racial'! LOL

Also, in regards to India modern genetics also shows continuity between the populations of India except that northerners do have more recent admixture from Central Asia due to historical invasions and migrations and NOT 'Aryan invasions' of Vedic times. As proof here are a couple more texts on Indians from before the 1st century.

From Herdotus' Histories: The Persian Wars

All the tribes (Indians) which I have mentioned live together like the brute beasts: they have also all the same tint of skin, which approaches that of the Ethiopians. Their country is a long way from Persia towards the south, nor had king Darius ever any authority over them.

The Eastern Ethiopians---for two nations of this name served in the army--were marshaled with the Indians. They differed in nothing from the other Ethiopians, save in their language, and the character of their hair. For the Eastern Ethiopians have straight hair, while they of Libya are more woolly-haired than any other people in the world.

Note that Herodotus describes the Indians i.e. of northern India as having skin color that approaches Ethiopians. But then he describes southern Indians as 'Eastern Ethiopians' who have the same color and features as 'Western Ethiopians' of Libya (Africa) except they have straight hair and speak different language. One then can safely come to the conclusion that the Egyptians' skin color also approached that of the Ethiopians to their south instead of being the same.

Then later on we have this...

Whereupon Mardonius took the word, and said: "Of a truth, my lord, thou dost surpass, not only all living Persians, but likewise those yet unborn. Most true and right is each word that thou hast now uttered; but best of all thy resolve not to let the Ionians who live in Europe - a worthless crew - mock us any more. It were indeed a monstrous thing if, after conquering and enslaving the Sacae, the Indians, the Ethiopians, the Assyrians, and many other mighty nations.

^ Note that he says they (Persians) conquered the Ethiopians. We know that the Persian empire did NOT include Nubia or the Sudan, but it did include Egypt!

Getting back to Africa, as I said even a country in Sub-Sahara can have populations who differ in complexion as well as features. Since the Anglo-idiot likes to bring up Snowden, I have a passage from Snowden below:



^ Now, one must make a distinguish between what the actual Roman authors stated themselves and what poor flawed Snowden interprets through his modern racial lenses. When one does so, it becomes quite clear that despite whatever nuances existed between the various populations of Northwest Africa-- they were ALL black.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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PUT SOMETHING IN QUOTES:
(QUOTE) insert your text (/QUOTE)

PUT SOMETHING IN BOLD:
(b) insert your text (/b)

PUT SOMETHING IN ITALICS:
(i) insert your text (/i)

I had to illustrate these examples in round brackets for it to be displayed correctly by this forum. Substitute all round brackets: )( with square brackets: ][ and it will work

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All the tribes (Indians) which I have mentioned live together like the brute beasts: they have also all the same tint of skin, which approaches that of the Ethiopians. Their country is a long way from Persia towards the south, nor had king Darius ever any authority over them.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Yes, all the tribes are northern Indian or specifically from the Indus Valley region. When Herodotus says they live to the south of Persia, he meant southeast. In fact the very name 'Indian' is derived from their residence in the Indus Valley. There are other texts which describe these same Indian mercenaries and their families performing Vedic rites and customs. Also, note again that Herodotus too distinguishes the Indians of the Indus proper from peoples to their south whom he calls 'Eastern Ethiopians' which in comparison with the 'Western Ethiopians' who live to the south of the Egyptians.

Mind you there are passages from Herodotus that describe the Indians (like Egyptians) blatantly as 'black-skinned' too.

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Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
 
Speaking of Herodotus, I recall he mentioned "Ethiopians" serving in Xerxes' army. Does he mention Egyptians as a distinct component in that army too. I don't recall so, and if not, maybe he regarded Egyptians as a subgroup of Ethiopian?

I tend to regard the Greek "Ethiopian" as referring specifically to the very darkest Africans, but if anyone has examples of Egyptians being covered by the term "Ethiopian", I'd love to hear it.
 

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Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
^They were probably mostly ancient Khuzestanis, i.e., Susians.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ You are correct, since Herodotus and other Greeks speak of black aboriginal populaces in Persia.

You know what I find fascinating about the whole 'Western Ethiopian', 'Eastern Ethiopian' visa Indians and Egyptians is that Egypt and the Indus Valley both lie at the same latitudinal zone the same way 'Western Ethiopia' (Sudan) and 'Eastern Ethiopia' (South India) lie at the same latitudinal zone.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
Of course we all know the game Anglo-idiot plays which is the same with all Euronuts-- they find any difference from the 'true negro' among Africans whether it be lighter complexion or narrower features as proof that they were a different race from 'true negroes' or blacks. Using this same logic many black populations in Sub-Saharan countries too would not be black either! LOL

He loves to emphasize Greco-Roman texts that point out such nuances, but Dr. Sally Ann-Ashton rightly points out that the number of Greco-Roman texts noting similarities the Egyptians had with Ethiopians and other Africans far greatly exceed those that point out differences.

This is why in some texts, 'Aegyptian' and 'Aethiopian' are used interchangeably as with 'Libyan'.

This is also the reason for all the following texts that Farthead avoids like the plague.

..Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too. But further and more especially, on the circumstance that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learned the custom of the Egyptians. And the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbors the Macronians, say that they have recently adopted it from the Colchians. Now these are the only nations who use circumcision, and it is plain that they all imitate herein the Egyptians. With respect to the Ethiopians, indeed, I cannot decide whether they learned the practice of the Egyptians, or the Egyptians of them (it is undoubtedly of very ancient date in Ethiopia). But that the others derived their knowledge of it from Egypt is clear to me, from the fact that the Phoenicians, when they come to have commerce with the Greeks, cease to follow the Egyptians in this custom, and allow their children to remain uncircumcised. (Herodotus, The Histories, Book 2:104)

^ Herodotus clearly describes the Egyptians as having wooly hair.

So far, all I have said is the record of my own autopsy and judgment and inquiry. Henceforth I will record Egyptian chronicles, according to what I have heard, adding something of what I myself have seen" . . . . "The priests told me that Min was the first king of Egypt, and that first he separated Memphis from the Nile by a dam" . . . "After him came three hundred and thirty kings, whose names the priests recited from a papyrus roll. In all these many generations there were eighteen Ethiopian kings, and one queen, native to the country; the rest were all Egyptian men" . . . "The name of the queen was the same as that of the Babylonian princess, Nitocris. She, to avenge her brother (he was king of Egypt and was slain by his subjects, who then gave Nitocris the sovereignty) put many of the Egyptians to death by treachery".
(Herodotus: The Histories, c 430 BCE, Book II, chap. 100)

Aristotle: "Those who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians. But those who are excessively white are also cowards as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two."

Lucian citing two Greek writers...
Lycinus (describing a young Egyptian): 'This boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin. . . his hair worn in a plait behind shows that he is not a freeman.'
Timolaus: 'But that is a sign of really distinguished birth in Egypt, Lycinus. All freeborn children plait their hair until they reach manhood. It is the exact opposite of the custom of our ancestors who thought it seemly for old men to secure their hair with a gold brooch to keep it in place.'

Apollodorus: "Aegyptos conquered the country of the blackfooted ones and called it Egypt after himself"

Ammianus Marcellinus: "the men of Egypt are mostly brown and black with a skinny and desiccated look."

Diodorus Siculus: "The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians `are one of their colonies,35 which was led into Egypt by Osiris. They claim that at the beginning of the world Egypt was simply a sea but that the Nile, carrying down vast quantities of loam from Ethiopia in its flood waters, finally filled it in and made it part of the continent."

Aeschylus in his 'Suppliant Maidens':
Yet if this may not be,
We [Dainades], the dark race sun-smitten, we
Will speed with suppliant wands
To Zeus who rules below, with hospitable hands
Who welcomes all the dead from all the lands:
Yea, by our own hands strangled, we will go,
Spurned by Olympian gods, unto the gods below!
. . .
O stranger maids, I may not trust this word,
That ye have share in this our Argive race.
No likeness of our country do ye bear,
But semblance as of Libyan womankind.
Even such a stock by Nilus' banks might grow;
Yea, and the Cyprian stamp, in female forms,
Shows, to the life, what males impressed the same.
And, furthermore, of roving Indian maids
Whose camping-grounds by Aethiopia lie,
And camels burdened even as mules, and bearing
Riders, as horses bear, mine ears have heard;
And tales of flesh-devouring mateless maids
Called (Gorgon) Amazons: to these, if bows ye bare,
I most had deemed you like. Speak further yet,
That of your Argive birth the truth I learn.
...
The Danaids upon seeing their Aegyptiad cousins approaching in their ships: 'I can see the crew with their black limbs and white tunics' and 'In ships, stout-timbered and dark-prowed, they have sailed here, attended by a mighty black host, and in their wrath overtaken us'

Explain why Greek art often depicts Egyptians with "negroid" features:









And even later Judeo-Christian authors say the same:

Rabbi Yuda ben Simon in a Midrashic text: Abraham says to his wife Sarah, "Now we are about to enter a place (Egypt) of ugly and black people"

In a Midrash: "The black people will come out of Egypt, Kush will stretch its hands to God"

Church Father Theodore of Mopsuestia says above the Shulamite bride in the 'Song of Songs': "She was black like all the Egyptians and Ethiopians."

Church Father Origen Adamantius says of the Egyptians: "They are the discolored (black) posterity of Ham"
 

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Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
So far, all I have said is the record of my own autopsy and judgment and inquiry. Henceforth I will record Egyptian chronicles, according to what I have heard, adding something of what I myself have seen" . . . . "The priests told me that Min was the first king of Egypt, and that first he separated Memphis from the Nile by a dam" . . . "After him came three hundred and thirty kings, whose names the priests recited from a papyrus roll. In all these many generations there were eighteen Ethiopian kings, and one queen, native to the country; the rest were all Egyptian men" . . . "The name of the queen was the same as that of the Babylonian princess, Nitocris. She, to avenge her brother (he was king of Egypt and was slain by his subjects, who then gave Nitocris the sovereignty) put many of the Egyptians to death by treachery".
(Herodotus: The Histories, c 430 BCE, Book II, chap. 100)

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by the lyinass idiot,:
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Originally posted by Djehuti:


Here, Manilius lists all the dark (black) races from darkest to lightest-- Aethipians, Indians, Aegyptians, Aforum, and Mauretanians.

He then does the same with all the light (white) races:

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note the hypocrisy here.

Djehutie claims not to believe in race

above he refers to a Manilius poem shich mentions a continum of people, nationalities, with skin from dark to light

then Djehutie divides this into two categories which he calls:
"dark (black) races" and " light (white) races"

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Dumbass, I am use the word 'race' the same way Manilius does,

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Originally posted by Djehuti: And it was Manilius NOT I who divided the world into dark and light 'races' (plural) in that the northern areas of the world had light races while the southern areas had dark races.

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I do not think you will find

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Originally posted by Swenet:
Just present evidence or stay away.

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I did idiot I put the actual poem up with a traslation

Djehutie did not put up the full evidence , dumbo

He claims it is a list of
"division between the light (white) races of the northern lands and the dark (black)"

^^^ this is a modern racialized interpretation of this poem and I busted Djehutie on this
and he tries to BS that "race" here = nationality at the same time inserting 'black' and 'white'.
But 'race" here does not = nationality because the word or equivalent of it is not here at all in the text, much less "black race" and "white race" versions of it

hypocrisy
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
I know this is very off topic..


^^But was Queen Kemsit a native Egyptian or Nubian?

Some people say she was a Nubian and some say she was an Egyptian. I'm just confused.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
her background is uncertain


Fragment of painted limestone relief from the tomb of Kemsit
© The Trustees of the British Museum

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Limestone temple relief, 11th Dynasty, 2055BC- 2004BC, Shrine of Kemsit, Temple of Mentuhotep II, Deir el-Bahari, Egypt


Eternal Egypt, British Museum quote:

Page 89:

"Kemsit's skin color is now pink, but so are her necklace and bracelets and other parts of the relief. The pink may have been an undercoat, and traces of a darker color on her skin, a brown or dark red, may have been the actual color of her skin when the relief was freshly painted. Other representations of Kemsit (and some of the other Royal Favorites) show her with black skin. It has been argued that the occasional representation of black skin on these women is purely symbolic, having funerary significance because black was the color of fertility and rebirth. That is possible, but it is also entirely possible that Kemsit and some of the other women buried in these chapels were Nubian by birth or by ancestry.


 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^I see.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Queen Ahmose-Nefertari

Queen Ahmose-Nefertari was the mother of King Amenhotep I. She probably ruled for him as his regent when he was a young boy.


There was no word for 'Queen' in ancient Egypt, as female rulers were so unusual; instead they were known as "king's wife". Both Ahmose-Nefertari and Amenhotep were made into goddesses after their deaths, an unusual occurrence at the time, and one that showed Ahmose-Nefertari's importance. The cobra on Ahmose-Nefertari's crown and the flail in her hand indicate her royal status.

This portrait of her was painted on a tomb wall 400 years after she died, when she was being worshipped as a god in the local area of Thebes.








Amenhotep I and Ahmose-Nefertari, Tomb of Nebamun and Ipuky
Hugh R. Hopgood (Egyptian Expedition Graphic Section)
Date: ca. 1390–1349 B.C.
Accession Number: 30.4.158



Stela of the Sculptor Qen worshipping Amenhotep I and Ahmose-Nefertari
Period: New Kingdom, Ramesside Dynasty: Dynasty 19 Reign: reign of Ramesses II Date: ca. 1279–1213 B.C. Geography: Egypt, Upper Egypt; Thebes, Deir el-Medina, Tomb of Qen (TT
 

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Posted by Faheemdunkers (Member # 20844) on :
 
Only the Aethiopians were percieved by the Greeks and Romans to be "Black", not Egyptians. Further evidence for this, is that a white skinned Aethiopian tribe was reported by Pliny, the leucoaethiops ("white aethiopians"), yet no one named a "white egyptian" or "white libyan", for the obvious reason, North Africans were percieved already lighter (so there would be no need to add "white").
 

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Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
^Yeah. they were really white:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:

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Originally posted by Swenet:
^Yeah. they were really white:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:

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^Denialism is a mental disease, boy. Get it looked at

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They fall in the Caucasoid range in pigmentation.

Compare to Negroid hue:


 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

Cedarwood coffin of Queen Ahmose Meritamun, daughter of Ahmose I and Queen Ahmose Nefertari, and sister and wife of King Amenhotep I, from her tomb at Deir el-Bahri in western Thebes.


Meritamun's inner coffin


Ahmose-Meritamun (or Ahmose-Meritamon) was a Queen of Egypt during the early Eighteenth dynasty of Egypt. She was both the sister and the wife of Pharaoh Amenhotep I.
The coffin of her mummy was covered in gold which had been stripped in antiquity. The inner coffin was smaller, but still over 6 ft tall. The inner coffin had also been covered in gold but stripped of this precious metal. The mummy had been carefully rewrapped during the reign of Pinedjem I.


Pharaoh Amenhotep I.

Pharaoh Amenhotep I.


Pharaoh Amenhotep I, New Kingdom, Dynasty 18, reign of Amenhotep I, ca. 1525–1504 B.C.. Metropolitan Museum of Art
Egyptian
Sandstone
Amenhotep I, second king of Dynasty 18, consolidated the conquests of his father in Nubia and the Near East and built numerous monuments throughout Egypt. At Thebes, he founded the Workmen's Village of Deir el-Medina, where the artisans who built and decorated the royal tombs in the Valley of the Kings lived. In later times, he was deified and became the local god of this area along with his mother, Ahmose-Nefertari. He was the first king to separate his mortuary temple at Deir el-Bahri from his tomb in the Valley of the Kings.
This sandstone head comes from an Osirid statue of the king that probably stood on the processional way of his mortuary temple. Originally it would have worn the double crown of Egypt. It is similar in style, material, and function to the colossal statue of Mentuhotep II (26.3.29) from Deir el-Bahri, which also stood in the processional way of his mortuary temple.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


Huni Pharaoh) of the 3rd dynasty, Old Kingdom reigning for 24 years starting ca. 2625 BC.
Huni is mentioned on the back of the Palermo stone in the section concerning the reign of the 5th Dynasty king Neferirkare Kakai.
 

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Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 

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Originally posted by Swenet:
[qb] ^Yeah. they were really white:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
http://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/eg/web-large/59.93_EGDP013746.jpg

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^Denialism is a mental disease, boy. Get it looked at

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They fall in the Caucasoid range in pigmentation.

Compare to Negroid hue:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/019M2jf19Z1m1/610x.jpg[/IMG]

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Another goal post shift. You said the Greeks never said ''white Egyptians'' because it was self-evident that they were white. Now, you say they were not really white, just not as darks skinned as most equatorial Africans (which no one in is right mind is denying). Even though you accuse everyone and their mama of being a 'lumper', lumping is clearly all you've been doing since day one. Your level of mental retardation goes through the roof, boy.


 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by the lyinass dummy:

But he [Manilius] doesn't use the word race and doesn't use a word that means it

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All he does is go through a list of nationalities and their relative skin darkness and lightness (assuming this is a valid way to categorize people)

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That is a lie. He did not add any word after such ethniticities such as Indians, Aegyptians.
He did not say "people of the Indian" race or any word added after their nationality.

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But further, you have taken it upon yourself to take his list and separate it in two separate groupings dark and light

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What you are doing is devising of your own accord sorting people into 'black" and white" categories and putting the ethnicities mentioned within a poem into one of these two categories which Manilus DOES NOT DO

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here is the latin:

M. MANILII ASTRONOMICON LIBER QUARTUS (IV)

711-730

http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/manilius4.html

Rough to English wiki Translation:

.Therefore, in various laws and various shapes
class is composed of a regular arrangement of men, gives them their own color
formed Nations sociataque rights through the frame
materials to match the private treaty signed.
blonde with huge rises in Germany births, 715
France neighborhood is infected less redness,
rougher sous Spain frame contracts.
Martian Rome father put faces
Gradivus Venus mixing well warms limbs
colored by the Greek people, 720 fine
school prefers face strong wrestling,
Syria and tortured during record locks.
Ethiopians stain the world and darkness figure
reeking of nations less India Tosti
engendered, 725a
earth floats Egyptian Nile 726b
darkens bodies gently watered plains
now closer 726a
center, it does moderate tenor. 725b
Phoebus sandy dust African countries 728
dries up the people, and the name of Mauritania
mouth has its label bears the color.

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^^^ this is a literal translation
It's automated and not comparable to a professional translator.
However what we can clearly see is written in poetic form, each nation described in a unique way

rather than a two category clinical list with a systematic use of the word "dark" light" or "black' and "white" or "races"

Find any translation of this. I do not think you will find this sort of modern minded division into 'black races' and 'white races' that Djehutie is trying to promote

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Originally posted by Swenet:

You're not making any sense. If its just a random ordering, why:

1) does the ordering conform to what we would expect in both cases (light skinned and dark skinned populations)

2) does he repeatedly use descriptive adverbs like ''less'' and ''more'', consistent with the order of light to swarthy for Western Eurasians and highly melanated to light skinned for Africans and Asiatic dark skinned people (e.g., less red, darkens bodies darker, moderate tenore, less india tosti)? The question then becomes, ''less'' relative to what? The previous example ofcourse. India is ''less tosti'' compared to what, if not the Aethiopians in the previous sentence?

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I do not think you will find

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No one cares about what you think. Just present evidence or stay away.

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Originally posted by the lyinass,:

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Originally posted by Swenet:
Just present evidence or stay away.

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I did idiot I put the actual poem up with a traslation

Djehutie did not put up the full evidence , dumbo

He claims it is a list of
"division between the light (white) races of the northern lands and the dark (black)"

^^^ this is a modern racialized interpretation of this poem and I busted Djehutie on this
and he tries to BS that "race" here = nationality at the same time inserting 'black' and 'white'.
But 'race" here does not = nationality because the word or equivalent of it is not here at all in the text, much less "black race" and "white race" versions of it

hypocrisy

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Dumb b|tch, there is nothing 'racial' about it. He groups dark peoples of the south and light peoples of the north and say their complexions grade toward the middle i.e in the Mediterranean region. My transliteration is correct but YOU are the one who misinterprets me into saying all the peoples of the south are one biological 'race' and all the peoples of the north are another biological 'race' when that's NOT what I said or meant!! Note I never said that Manilius stated all the southern peoples are genetically related into one group anymore than he said all the northern peoples are related as one group! That's because he never said such a thing!

In other words it is YOU like Farthead who reads modern notions of biological race into everything. LMAO
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Truthcentric:

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
So far, all I have said is the record of my own autopsy and judgment and inquiry. Henceforth I will record Egyptian chronicles, according to what I have heard, adding something of what I myself have seen" . . . . "The priests told me that Min was the first king of Egypt, and that first he separated Memphis from the Nile by a dam" . . . "After him came three hundred and thirty kings, whose names the priests recited from a papyrus roll. In all these many generations there were eighteen Ethiopian kings, and one queen, native to the country; the rest were all Egyptian men" . . . "The name of the queen was the same as that of the Babylonian princess, Nitocris. She, to avenge her brother (he was king of Egypt and was slain by his subjects, who then gave Nitocris the sovereignty) put many of the Egyptians to death by treachery".
(Herodotus: The Histories, c 430 BCE, Book II, chap. 100)

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Most people would probably interpret the "nineteen Ethiopian rulers" as alluding to the Napatan occupation, but then only six Napatan kings (Kashta, Piye, Shabaka, Shebitku, Taharqa, and Tantamani) controlled Egypt. If we take Herodotus at face value, several more Egyptian rulers had "Ethiopian" (Nubian?) ancestry than conventionally realized.

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

I know this is very off topic..


^^But was Queen Kemsit a native Egyptian or Nubian?

Some people say she was a Nubian and some say she was an Egyptian. I'm just confused.

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Originally posted by the lyinass,:

Queen Ahmose-Nefertari

Queen Ahmose-Nefertari was the mother of King Amenhotep I. She probably ruled for him as his regent when he was a young boy.

There was no word for 'Queen' in ancient Egypt, as female rulers were so unusual; instead they were known as "king's wife". Both Ahmose-Nefertari and Amenhotep were made into goddesses after their deaths, an unusual occurrence at the time, and one that showed Ahmose-Nefertari's importance. The cobra on Ahmose-Nefertari's crown and the flail in her hand indicate her royal status.

This portrait of her was painted on a tomb wall 400 years after she died, when she was being worshipped as a god in the local area of Thebes.








Amenhotep I and Ahmose-Nefertari, Tomb of Nebamun and Ipuky
Hugh R. Hopgood (Egyptian Expedition Graphic Section)
Date: ca. 1390–1349 B.C.
Accession Number: 30.4.158



Stela of the Sculptor Qen worshipping Amenhotep I and Ahmose-Nefertari
Period: New Kingdom, Ramesside Dynasty: Dynasty 19 Reign: reign of Ramesses II Date: ca. 1279–1213 B.C. Geography: Egypt, Upper Egypt; Thebes, Deir el-Medina, Tomb of Qen (TT

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Originally posted by Fartheadbonkers:

Only the Aethiopians were percieved by the Greeks and Romans to be "Black", not Egyptians. Further evidence for this, is that a white skinned Aethiopian tribe was reported by Pliny, the leucoaethiops ("white aethiopians"), yet no one named a "white egyptian" or "white libyan", for the obvious reason, North Africans were percieved already lighter (so there would be no need to add "white").

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Originally posted by Swenet:
^Yeah. they were really white:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:

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^Denialism is a mental disease, boy. Get it looked at

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Originally posted by Fartheadbonkers:

They fall in the Caucasoid range in pigmentation.

Compare to Negroid hue:

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Yes a mahogany complexion is part of the Caucasoid range of pigmentation but not the Negroid who can only have ebony dark hue. That is obviously how you interpret the Greek and Roman texts.

I guess half of these Nigerian women aren't really black either.




 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
He groups dark peoples of the south and light peoples of the north and say their complexions grade toward the middle i.e in the Mediterranean region.

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No he doesn't group

that's a lie

Of these ethnicities he does not use the same adjective consistently.
There is no such consistent pattern and no two part divison.

A word for 'light' or 'white' is not even used

You inserted 'black race' and 'white race'

such terms have societal baggage. You wanted it.

Now to save face after having done that you claim you meant it in some other way.

The simple fact is that gentes means nations and that is made clear by national names he mentions, you dumb fvck

And the essential point is that Manilus does not combine the word gentes with another word to mean "the black gentes" and does not correspondingly combine the word gentes with a word meaning "the white gentes" .

You fvcked up. You read somebody's interpretation that this was a list of the black races and a list of the white races.
Same thing black nations and white nations only problem is that he did not put a stereotype skin color word or darkness/lightness word next to "nation"

The terms 'black' and 'white' are the most racial terms there are.
And you choose these words and you choose the word 'race' because you believe in the concept when it's convenient. When it's not convenient you say it doesn't exist.

people who don't believe in race don't use the terms 'black', 'white' and yellow for people and they would not choose to use the word 'race' when nation could be used. You are a fraudster

Your Afrocentric mission you have stated is that scientists should 'admit the Egyptians were black'.

You choose not to use the word 'dark' in that statement because that's not enough. You need the racial term 'black',

Then to protect yourself if anybody questiosn your choice of terms you say you meant 'dark' not anything else.

It's a game you play and one I have exposed numerous times.

This is why I respetc Clyde more if he says the Egyptians were black because he says it's racial.
People who don't believe in race would never use that word for people. To do so and claim to not believe in race is hypocritical.





.Therefore, in various laws and various shapes
class is composed of a regular arrangement of men, gives them their own color
formed Nations sociataque rights through the frame
materials to match the private treaty signed.
blonde with huge rises in Germany births, 715
France neighborhood is infected less redness,
rougher sous Spain frame contracts.
Martian Rome father put faces
Gradivus Venus mixing well warms limbs
colored by the Greek people, 720 fine
school prefers face strong wrestling,
Syria and tortured during record locks.
Ethiopians stain the world and darkness figure
reeking of nations less India Tosti
engendered, 725a
earth floats Egyptian Nile 726b
darkens bodies gently watered plains
now closer 726a
center, it does moderate tenor. 725b
Phoebus sandy dust African countries 728
dries up the people, and the name of Mauritania
mouth has its label bears the color.


German
French
Spanish
Roman
Greek
Syrian
Ethiopian
Indian
Egyptian
Mauretanian

^^^^ This is exactly the order the names appear in. It's not even in graduated order from light to dark
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ LOL First off, you need to get you a better translation as the one you provide is atrocious.

Second of all, the whole listing was explained to your dumbass in the original thread on Manilius here.

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Originally posted by alTakruri:

You are refusing to read Manilius in context. He
places the Egyptians complexion between that of
the Indians and the Saharans.

Roman complexion is between Spaniards and Greeks.

There is no escaping the plain meaning of the text.

Standing between Egyptians and Romans in increasing
lightening of complexion are the dark Saharans and
Maures and the light Syrians and Greeks.

In Manilius' order white complexions from the most
light to the least light are
- Germania
- Gallia
- Hispania
- Romanis
- Graecia
- Syrium

In Manilius' order black complexions from the most
dark to the least dark are
- Aethiopes
- India
- Aegyptia
- Afrorum
- Mauretania

This leaves Afrorum, Mauretania, Syrium, and Graecia
complexions interspacning those of Egypt and Rome. That's
four intervening complexions. No way for Egypt and Rome
being near in complexion, while Egypt has only India
between it and Ethiopia.

Therefore by Manilius Egypt is very close to Ethiopia
in colour but very far from Rome in "skin pigmentation
adaptation" as you put it.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

I know this is very off topic..


^^But was Queen Kemsit a native Egyptian or Nubian?

Some people say she was a Nubian and some say she was an Egyptian. I'm just confused.

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This post is actually related to Truthcentric's query!

It's prossible Kemsit was Nubian since her King Mentuhotep had a penchant for marrying Nubian ladies such as Ashayet, Sadeh, and Hehenet who were the daughters of Medjay chieftains or lords from the Eastern desert. Then again, there is evidence that Mentuhotep himself was of Nubian ancestry! I suggest you look here.

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Thanks.
 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 

Anyone took a look at her name Kem=Black + whatever sit means..a variation of Isis perhaps??..just saying!!
 

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Posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate (Member # 20039) on :
 
The 12th Dynasty can definitely trace its roots in Kush.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhXNVpXB-wo

^^^In that video Ashra Kwesi states that Kush/Kemet is the daughter of Ethiopia. While all three are the granddaughters of the Congo @12:27...

What are you guys thoughts?
 

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Posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate (Member # 20039) on :
 

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhXNVpXB-wo

^^^In that video Ashra Kwesi states that Kush/Kemet is the daughter of Ethiopia. While all three are the granddaughters of the Congo @12:27...

What are you guys thoughts?

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The beginning of the Holocene at Ounjougou

Introduction

The Ogolian, an extremely arid episode beginning in West Africa around 23,000 BP, is represented at Ounjougou by a significant sedimentary and archaeological hiatus. It is not until the return of humid climatic conditions at the beginning of the Holocene that we once again find evidence for humans in this part of the continent. It is thus in a context of heavy rains and recolonization of the vegetal cover, at the beginning of the 10th millennium BC, that a new population was established on the Bandiagara Plateau. At the Ounjougou site complex, several sites have made it possible to define two occupation phases chronologically situated between 10,000 and 7,000 cal BC. Strikingly, the presence of pottery is attested from the first half of the 10th mill. BC. This is the earliest evidence for pottery in sub-Saharan Africa. The use of stone milling material is confirmed from the 8th mill. BC by the discovery of a millstone and grinder.

Issues and objectives

It is thus within a context of climatic and environmental change, of migrations and repopulation of a region of Africa abandoned for several thousand years that the craft of making pottery and the use of milling emerged. Our aims are to better understand the material culture of these Early Holocene populations, to determine their origins and identify their development, and finally to clarify the paleoenvironmental context in which they were established and evolved. Understanding of the mechanisms in which humans invented pottery and milling tools clearly lie at the heart of our research problem. Our main objective is therefore to excavate stratified sites located in the valley base, geologically in situ, to obtain the broadest sample possible of material remains, to situate the site in relative and absolute chronologies and to place them in relation to the geomorphological and archaeobotanical sequence. By comparison to the rare contemporaneous assemblages in West and Saharan Africa, we hope to retrace the route of humans after the vegetation had returned at the beginning of the Holocene. Finally, via systematic survey, we hope to discover contemporaneous site yielding complementary data on these populations, in terms of subsistence economy or the use of space.

The 10th and 9th millennia BC (Phase 1 of the Holocene of Ounjougou)

It is at the site of Ravin de la Mouche that we identify the first Holocene sedimentary sequence, in the form of a channel cut into the yellow Pleistocene silts, infilled with coarse sand and gravel. The chronological placement of the upper layers of this first group has been determined by 12 radiocarbon dates and 3 OSL dates between 9,400 and 8,400 cal BC. The lithic industry discovered in stratigraphic position shows that unidirectional reduction predominates, but other techniques, such as bipolar reduction on anvil and multidirectional, were also employed. Quartz was the main raw material used and the typological range includes small retouched flakes, borers and especially an original type of bifacial armatures with covering retouch.

Three ceramic sherds are linked to this industry. They all come from the base of the HA1A stratigraphic unit. Their thickness ranges between 4.5 and 7 mm. The only way is refundable on board simple hemispherical bowl of 21 cm diameter. One sherd shows a roulette decoration, which could not be further identified. Microscopic analysis of two samples revealed that they contain a silicate matrix, without carbonates, with 20-30% of non-plastic inclusions. These consist mainly of single crystal quartz well rounded with an edge of recrystallization, with a fine to very fine diameter. These quartz are quite similar to those found in local sandstone and clays. Mineralogical analysis of the nearest clay deposits by X-ray diffraction revealed the presence of kaolinite, whose absence in ceramics indicates a cooking temperature above 550 � C. The pastes were prepared using non-calcareous clays with little prior treatment, as shown by their texture somewhat chaotic. The serial structure indicates that no temper has been added. Only one sherd contains fragments of grog, with a maximum diameter of 4 mm. However, this low percentage may indicate involuntary incorporation during the preparation of the paste.

The 8th millennium BC (Phase 2 of the Holocene of Ounjougou)

The next part of the Holocene sequence is documented at two principal sites – the Ravin du Hibou and Damatoumou. The archaeological layers are chronologically situated by an OSL date and 7 radiocarbon dates (8,000-7,000 cal BC). The lithic industry is characterized by reduction of quartz cobbles by unidirectional, bidirectional, multidirectional, peripheral and bipolar on anvil reduction techniques. The assemblage is composed mainly of microlithic tools: borers, backed points, notches, denticulates, sidescrapers, retouched flakes and geometric microliths.

The next part of the Holocene sequence is documented at two principal sites – the Ravin du Hibou and Damatoumou. The archaeological layers are chronologically situated by an OSL date and 7 radiocarbon dates (8,000-7,000 cal BC). The lithic industry is characterized by reduction of quartz cobbles by unidirectional, bidirectional, multidirectional, peripheral and bipolar on anvil reduction techniques. The assemblage is composed mainly of microlithic tools: borers, backed points, notches, denticulates, sidescrapers, retouched flakes and geometric microliths.

West African and Saharan context

The ceramics and grinding material from phases 1 and 2 at Ounjougou are the earliest evidence of this type currently known in sub-Saharan Africa. In our present state of knowledge, this pottery at Ounjougou may have resulted from a center of invention in the current Sahelo-Sudanian zone with exportation somewhat later toward the Central Sahara, where it is known from the 9th millennium BC. The pottery types at Tagalagal in Niger, the earliest known for this region, were already quite diversified when they first appeared, perhaps confirming the adoption of the use of pottery from another place of origin. The lithic industry of phases 1 and 2 is characterized by southern affinities, including quartz microliths using bipolar reduction on anvil proper to the "sub-Saharan microlithic technocomplex" defined by K. MacDonald, except for the bifacial armatures which are only found in the north, in the Saharan zone, at slightly younger sites. A cultural influx from the southeastern sub-Saharan zone toward the Sahara could explain the spread of quartz microlithic industries across West Africa. First observed in Cameroon at Shum Laka (30,600-29,000 BC), we next find them in the Ivory Coast at Bingerville (14,100-13,400 BC), in Nigeria at Iwo Eleru (11,460-11,050 BC) and finally at Ounjougou (phase 1: 10th mill. BC).

- Eric Huysecom

http://www.ounjougou.org/sec_arc/arc_main.php?lang=en&sec=arc&sous_sec=neo&art=neo&art_titre=ancien

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Originally posted by the lyinass,:

No he doesn't group

that's a lie

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Of these ethnicities he does not use the same adjective consistently.
There is no such consistent pattern and no two part division.

A word for 'light' or 'white' is not even used

You inserted 'black race' and 'white race'.

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such terms have societal baggage. You wanted it.

Now to save face after having done that you claim you meant it in some other way.

The simple fact is that gentes means nations and that is made clear by national names he mentions, you dumb fvck.

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LOL YOU are the dumb f*ck who doesn't know a lick of Latin! Gente in its literal meaning is 'race' or ethnic group and not necessarily a nation state. The word for nation in Latin is natio. Of course when Manilius uses gente there is no biological appellation since race in its original definition has such.

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And the essential point is that Manilus does not combine the word gentes with another word to mean "the black gentes" and does not correspondingly combine the word gentes with a word meaning "the white gentes".

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You fvcked up. You read somebody's interpretation that this was a list of the black races and a list of the white races.
Same thing black nations and white nations only problem is that he did not put a stereotype skin color word or darkness/lightness word next to "nation"

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The terms 'black' and 'white' are the most racial terms there are.
And you choose these words and you choose the word 'race' because you believe in the concept when it's convenient. When it's not convenient you say it doesn't exist.

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people who don't believe in race don't use the terms 'black', 'white' and yellow for people and they would not choose to use the word 'race' when nation could be used. You are a fraudster.

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I am merely translating and interpreting what Manilius said, b|tch. Don't kill the messenger.

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Your Afrocentric mission you have stated is that scientists should 'admit the Egyptians were black'.

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LOL So now I'm 'Afrocentric'! My only mission is TRUTH. And the truth is the Egyptians should be acknowledged for what they were/are! You can't call Sub-Saharans black and then North Africans with the same color and features as something else. That is something YOU do in your futile and pathetic Eurocentric mission. Yet didn't you claim in your introduction in the very first page of this thread that you yourself are 'Afrocentric'??! LOL

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You choose not to use the word 'dark' in that statement because that's not enough. You need the racial term 'black',

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Then to protect yourself if anybody questions your choice of terms you say you meant 'dark' not anything else.

It's a game you play and one I have exposed numerous times.

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This is why I respect Clyde more if he says the Egyptians were black because he says it's racial.
People who don't believe in race would never use that word for people. To do so and claim to not believe in race is hypocritical.

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Messed up translation

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German
French
Spanish
Roman
Greek
Syrian
Ethiopian
Indian
Egyptian
Mauretanian


^^^^ This is exactly the order the names appear in. It's not even in graduated order from light to dark

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Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:


Anyone took a look at her name Kem=Black + whatever sit means..a variation of Isis perhaps??..just saying!!

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhXNVpXB-wo

^^^In that video Ashra Kwesi states that Kush/Kemet is the daughter of Ethiopia. While all three are the granddaughters of the Congo @12:27...

What are you guys thoughts?

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I think Kwesi is wrong and is, I hate to say it (even the term itself) 'Bantu-centric'. There seem to be some Africanist scholars with an agenda to make Bantu speakers of peoples of Central Africa primary to other African peoples and civilizations.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhXNVpXB-wo

^^^In that video Ashra Kwesi states that Kush/Kemet is the daughter of Ethiopia. While all three are the granddaughters of the Congo @12:27...

What are you guys thoughts?

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I think Kwesi is wrong and is, I hate to say it (even the term itself) 'Bantu-centric'. There seem to be some Africanist scholars with an agenda to make Bantu speakers of peoples of Central Africa primary to other African peoples and civilizations.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhXNVpXB-wo

^^^In that video Ashra Kwesi states that Kush/Kemet is the daughter of Ethiopia. While all three are the granddaughters of the Congo @12:27...

What are you guys thoughts?

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I think Kwesi is wrong and is, I hate to say it (even the term itself) 'Bantu-centric'. There seem to be some Africanist scholars with an agenda to make Bantu speakers of peoples of Central Africa primary to other African peoples and civilizations.

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Well I don't know about Central African people. But Bantu people of East Africa and Southern Africa most certainly did have civilizations.

Wasn't the Kongo Kingdom in a way advanced? I know it wasn't something comparable to Ancient Egypt or even the Mali empire. But I read some interesting things about the kingdom nonetheless.

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It think it was comparable to egypt, it was highly advanced.Some ways more advanced then egypt,and some way not has advanced.


The kingdom of kongo


African Treasures

17th century painting of the dutch painter Albert Eckhout showing two emissaries of the Kingdom of Kongo in Brazil holding the two main sources of wealth in west africa, an ivory tusk and a jewel box.

African Nobleman


17th century painting of the dutch painter Albert Eckhout showing the nobleman Don Miguel de Castro from the Kingdom of Kongo during a commercial trip to the portuguese colony of Brazil

African King

illustration showing the king Afonso I of Kongo, ruler of the Kingdom of Kongo in the first half of the 16th century. Afonso is best known for his vigorous attempt to convert Kongo to a Catholic country, by establishing the Roman Catholic Church in Kongo, providing for its financing from tax revenues, and creating schools. By 1516 there were over 1000 students in the royal school, and other schools were located in the provinces, eventually resulting in the development of a fully literate noble class.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
M'banza-Kongo

M'banza-Kongo was once the home of the Manikongo, the ruler of the Kingdom of Kongo, which at its peak reached from southern Africa's Atlantic coast to the Nkisi River.

The earliest documented kings referred to their city in their correspondence as "the city of Congo" (cidade de Congo), and the name of the city as São Salvador appears for the first time in the letters of Álvaro I (1568–1587) and was carried on by his successors. The name was changed back to "City of Kongo" (Mbanza Kongo) after Angolan independence in 1975.


When the Portuguese arrived in Kongo, Mbanza Kongo was already a large town, perhaps the largest in sub-equatorial Africa, and an early visitor of 1491 compared it in size to the Portuguese town of Évora. During the reign of Afonso I, stone buildings were added, including a palace and several churches. The town grew substantially as the kingdom of Kongo expanded and grew, and an ecclesiastical statement of the 1630s related that 4,000-5,000 baptisms were performed in the city and its immediate hinterland (presumably the valleys that surround it), which is consistent with an overall population of 100,000 people. Of these, perhaps 30,000 lived on the mountain and the remainder in the valleys around the city. Among its important buildings were some twelve churches, including São Salvador, as well as private chapels and oratories and an impressive two-story royal palace, the only such building in all of Kongo, according to the visitor Giovanni Francesco da Roma (1648).

The city was sacked several times during the civil wars that followed the battle of Mbwila (or Ulanga) in 1665, and was abandoned in 1678. It was reoccupied in 1705 by Dona Beatriz Kimpa Vita's followers and restored as Kongo's capital by King Pedro IV of Kongo in 1709. It was never again depopulated though its population fluctuated substantially during the eighteenth and nineteenth century.

M'banza Kongo is known for the ruins of its 16th century cathedral (built in 1549).



The capital of the Kingdom of Kongo
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 
^^^Man thanks for the amazing post!!! To be honest I wonder why the Kongo Kingdom is so underrated??? Even civilizations in Africa are very underrated, but it seems Central African civilizations are the most underrated.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
Here are maps showing many though not all the important kingdoms of African history. One may exclude Carthage or Merina as foreign extraction but still..




 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
I thought Merina was a mix of african and asian,and some think Carthage is more native then foreign,but i think it's more foreign.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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Originally posted by Firewall:
I thought Merina was a mix of african and asian,and some think Carthage is more native then foreign,but i think it's more foreign.

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Carthage is most definitely foreign.
 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Son of Ra and Firewall don't be too sure about that for even before the Phoenicians leave the lavant to found Khart Haddast they were culturally and genetically linked to Africans mainly Nile valley folk like the Kemeties and Kushites.


http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=001850

http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bag&action=display&thread=461
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=004782
Might wanna clk those links see Xyyman and Zarahan and Swenet for the bio anthropology stuff.
 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 

http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=hist&action=display&thread=1379
For more on the Kingdom of the Kongo go here,including some really kool pics.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Son of Ra and Firewall don't be too sure about that for even before the Phoenicians leave the lavant to found Khart Haddast they were culturally and genetically linked to Africans mainly Nile valley folk like the Kemeties and Kushites.


http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=001850

http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bag&action=display&thread=461
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=004782
Might wanna clk those links see Xyyman and Zarahan and Swenet for the bio anthropology stuff.

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by Firewall:
I thought Merina was a mix of african and asian,and some think Carthage is more native then foreign,but i think it's more foreign.

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Carthage is most definitely foreign.

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Originally posted [13 March, 2013 12:58 AM] by the lyinass:

If you ask around to the members only me and Clyde Winters are admitted Afrocentrics...

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Originally posted [21 March, 2013 02:12 AM] by the lyinass:

Your Afrocentric mission you have stated is that scientists should 'admit the Egyptians were black'.

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In your frustration, in your second post above you accuse me of having an Afrocentric mission (even though I don't). Yet you said in your initial post that you are an admitted Afrocentric.

So tell us lyinass, are you Afrocentric or do you get fed up by Afrocentrics?? LOL
 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 

DJ and others see the part in yellow including the Levant where the Phoenicians hang-out that's really Africa geographically although generally considered conceded territory even by Africans themselves,but early on African culture pre-dominated and significant biologically African presence is noted above,


In 1928, Charles Lambert had uncovered, during a preliminary investigation at el- Wad, the first prehistoric art object discovered in the Near East, a finely carved bone animal head. He had also discovered human, later identified as Natufian, burials. - Courtesy of the University of Cambridge, the department of archeology.

The "Natufians", the reputed "first farmers" of the Neolithic "Near East", had gone from being regarded as mere "cannibals" by observers of the day shortly after being uncovered in the late 1920s to becoming widely recognized as "pioneers" of the farming economy that took hold in the Neolithic era and was subsequently swept into Europe.

Any observant reader will be hard-pressed to not see the change in attitude about the cultural identity of these "first farmers" from the years when folks of the 20th century were just starting to get to know who they were, at which time all these 20th century observers had available to them were the human remains and a few artifacts here and there, to the ensuing periods when the role of the would-be farmers began unfolding with increased vigor and getting wider recognition within academia. This can perhaps be amply demonstrated through the glimpse of news reports/articles that first came out when news of the discovery of "Natufian" remains reached the media, and subsequent publications by several authors in the ensuing years of the 20th century; take for example the following extracts from a 1932 New York Times publication:

BONES OF CANNIBALS: A PALESTINE RIDDLE
Wireless to THE NEW YORK TIMES.
New York Times 1857; Aug 4, 1932; ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times (1851 - 2003)
pg. 21

ATE BODIES OF ENEMIES
Men, Short of Stature, Burned Bones of Dead After Burial, London Session Hears.

TEETH OF WOMEN DRAWN
Linking relics to Burnt Skeletons from Ur scientist speculate an old cremation custom.

Wireless to NEW YORK TIMES London Aug. 3

Seven or eight thousand years ago in what geologist call modern times a race of negroid cannibals lived In Palestine, burned the bones of their dead after burial, and devoured the bodies of their enemies.

Skulls and thighbones of this race were unearthed within the last four years, first at Shukbah near Jerusalem and later in caves at Mount Carmel, and because they puzzled the excavators who found them they received the new name “Natufians.”

Today the first authoritative account of them was given by Sir Arthur Keith to the congress of Prehistoric and Protohistoric Sciences and showed them to be one of the greatest riddles of archaeology.

They were clearly a Negroid people, said Sir Arthur, with wide faces flat- noses and long large heads.
http://exploring-africa.blogspot.jp/2010/09/trivia-on-natufians.html

The age before Dna mapping can be excused for using the term Negroid and trying to connect them to certain populations below the Sahara, but these are the people who made-up part of the later Phoenicians long before there was a Phoenicia. and later direct Kemetic control of the area,using various troops of different ethnicity from the deep south of Kemet to pacify the Levant and bring them to heel.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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@ Son Of Ra
Mitochondrial DNA geneflow indicates preferred usage of the Levant Corridor over the Horn of Africa passageway
D. J. Rowold, J. R. Luis, M. C. Terreros, Rene J. Herrera
Look Inside Get Access
Abstract
Both the Levantine Corridor and the Horn of Africa route have figured prominently in early hominid migrations from Africa to Eurasia. To gauge the importance of these two African–Asian thoroughfares in the demic movements of modern man, we surveyed the mtDNA control region variation and coding polymorphisms of 739 individuals representing ten African and Middle Eastern populations. Two of these collections, Egypt and Yemen, are geographically close to the Levant and Horn of Africa, respectively. In this analysis, we uncover genetic evidence for the preferential use of the Levantine Corridor in the Upper Paleolithic to Neolithic dispersals of haplogroups H, J*, N1b, and T1, in contrast to an overwhelming preference in favor of the Horn of Africa for the intercontinental expansion of M1 during the Middle to Upper Paleolithic. Furthermore, we also observed a higher frequency of sub-Saharan mtDNA compared to NRY lineages in the Middle Eastern collections, a pattern also seen in previous studies. In short, the results of this study suggest that several migratory episodes of maternal lineages occurred across the African–Asian corridors since the first African exodus of modern Homo sapiens sapiens.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10038-007-0132-7?LI=true#page-1
While this is not Phoenician specific it does establish that from the very earliest of times African population colonized the area and this goes for skull and bone anthropology as well see Natufians


The questionable contribution of the Neolithic and the Bronze Age to European craniofacial form

Abstract
Many human craniofacial dimensions are largely of neutral adaptive significance, and an analysis of their variation can serve as an indication of the extent to which any given population is genetically related to or differs from any other. When 24 craniofacial measurements of a series of human populations are used to generate neighbor-joining dendrograms, it is no surprise that all modern European groups, ranging all of the way from Scandinavia to eastern Europe and throughout the Mediterranean to the Middle East, show that they are closely related to each other. The surprise is that the Neolithic peoples of Europe and their Bronze Age successors are not closely related to the modern inhabitants, although the prehistoric/modern ties are somewhat more apparent in southern Europe. It is a further surprise that the Epipalaeolithic Natufian of Israel from whom the Neolithic realm was assumed to arise has a clear link to Sub-Saharan Africa. Basques and Canary Islanders are clearly associated with modern Europeans. When canonical variates are plotted, neither sample ties in with Cro-Magnon as was once suggested. The data treated here support the idea that the Neolithic moved out of the Near East into the circum-Mediterranean areas and Europe by a process of demic diffusion but that subsequently the in situ residents of those areas, derived from the Late Pleistocene inhabitants, absorbed both the agricultural life way and the people who had brought it.
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/1/242.short
But really Xyyman and Zarahan are much better at this than I am, see the cultural stuff that I bumped for you and Firewall on the Ancient Egypt side.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by Firewall:
I thought Merina was a mix of african and asian,and some think Carthage is more native then foreign,but i think it's more foreign.

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Carthage is most definitely foreign.

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Merina was the result of Malagasy from Indonesia, though there's evidence that Africans were present on the island as well. As for Carthage, it was a Phoenician colony, but the map happens to show all states and polities that were started IN Africa not necessarily by Africans though indigenous Africans were influential.

By the way, Carthage was later succeeded by the kingdom of Numidia which was began by indigenous Africans.

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Interesting...I heard of the Kingdom of Numidia.
 

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Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
 
Ashra Kwesi is a great Kemitologist, researcher and teacher.He is the student of Scholar Yosef Ben Jochanan.Ashra Kwesi organise historical tour to Egypt, Nubia and Ethiopia. Ashra Kwesi produced the greatest videos on Ancient Egyptian history and religion.In a fair world Ashra Kwesi videos would have been playing in the History Channel and discovery Channel but they will rather play science fiction documentary like Ancient Alien.

I think Ashra Kwesi is saying in the youtube video that the Twa people of the Kongo created Ethiopia, Kush and Kemet.
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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Originally posted by beyoku:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Asar Imhotep:
As for biodiversity. Its not that close to stormfront...then again I wouldnt know too much and I usually only post on the African related subjects.

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by beyoku:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Asar Imhotep:
As for biodiversity. Its not that close to stormfront...then again I wouldnt know too much and I usually only post on the African related subjects.

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Actually it is...Its more like a toned down Stormfront. Just look at some of the post from this thread.
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/40815-Negroids-have-not-evolved

Even some of the mods on that site are EUrocentrics. That's one reason why I stopped going on that site.

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it's a good site because there are a lot of people on it including afrocentrics or Africanists the do frontline race battle on some threads and they also have a lot of their own threads where the white supremacist types don't post on because they aren't interested in some topics. there are plenty of those

And here at Egyptsearch there is a white supremacist who comes around. there used to be two to three at a time.

But there's also Egyptsearch Reloaded
http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi
which has some posters from here and it was started by somebody from here, Brada Over there they don't have white supremacists everybody is usually an Africanist of some kind.
But sometimes it gets boring over there and people come here for the boxing. I'm the current champion. The lioness has had many meals here.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ LOL @ lyinass claiming 'Biodiversity' to be a "good site". It's good to her because she is one of those Euronuts and then she talks about "frontline race battle"! LOL That's the problem with Biodiversity-- it gets bogged down by the racial crap that the real info and data or valid interpretations thereof get lost. Even Son of Ra knows that.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
^^^^ stop the BS while beyoku aka four, Game Theory aka Charlie Bass and Doc Scientia are duking with Crimson Guard and Racial Reality at Forum Biodiversity, even zarahan was there, you're here in numerous replies to Anglo_P, what a joke
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ LOL The only one spouting BS is YOU. First of all, I used to go on Biodiversity years before you've even heard of it when it had some decency. Second, my replies to Anglo-Idiot are nothing more than mockery of his idiocy and not some "frontline race battle". There is nothing to battle when it comes to retards like Anglo-Idiot. I used to engage 'Racial Reality' as well when he trolled in this forum as Evil-Euro which is more like Stupid-Euro. Instead of engaging idiots, I prefer to have logical discussions with intelligent folk about FACTS which is something we used to do all the time in Egyptsearch before trolls like them and YOU even reared up.

And we know you are a passive-aggressive Euronut in disguise troll agent of Mathilda as well b|tch, so don't play!
 

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Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
 

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Originally posted by the lioness,:

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

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Originally posted by beyoku:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Asar Imhotep:
As for biodiversity. Its not that close to stormfront...then again I wouldnt know too much and I usually only post on the African related subjects.

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Actually it is...Its more like a toned down Stormfront. Just look at some of the post from this thread.
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/40815-Negroids-have-not-evolved

Even some of the mods on that site are EUrocentrics. That's one reason why I stopped going on that site.

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it's a good site because there are a lot of people on it including afrocentrics or Africanists the do frontline race battle on some threads and they also have a lot of their own threads where the white supremacist types don't post on because they aren't interested in some topics. there are plenty of those

And here at Egyptsearch there is a white supremacist who comes around. there used to be two to three at a time.

But there's also Egyptsearch Reloaded
http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi
which has some posters from here and it was started by somebody from here, Brada Over there they don't have white supremacists everybody is usually an Africanist of some kind.
But sometimes it gets boring over there and people come here for the boxing. I'm the current champion. The lioness has had many meals here.

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Then I challenges you for your title! Almighty Lioness! Lol.


Anyways...I personally do not think Biodiversity forum is a good site, especially if you are interested in things 'African'. If you even try to bring up anything positive about Africa then the people would jump on you.

On that site its like people do not want to hear anything about Africa, whether its genetics, history, people,etc. They are not only bias against Africans but also Indians and Asians.

Like Djehuti said, it mostly comes down to racial crap even people STILL using outdated terms such as Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. And that site is mostly suppose to be about genetics. That is one of the things that really grind my gear about Biodiversity. They should be better than that...

Most of if not all the topics on that site are about race or racial pride. I even believe some people from Stormfront post on that site.

I know their are some people from Egyptsearch on post on their like beyoku, Game Theory and Doc Scientia. I am not trying to disrespect these guys, they are smart guys smarter than me. But...I don't really see them really trying to attack and destroy all the Eurocentric arguments on the site or any of the people who defend Africa. It seems they don't try their best to educate the people on Biodiversity. Again not trying to disrespect them.

As for Egyptsearch reloaded, that's an okay site.

Anyways Son of Ra will be coming for your title and he will not underestimate you. Gods>Lions.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:


I know their are some people from Egyptsearch on post on their like beyoku, Game Theory and Doc Scientia. I am not trying to disrespect these guys, they are smart guys smarter than me. But...I don't really see them really trying to attack and destroy all the Eurocentric arguments on the site or any of the people who defend Africa. It seems they don't try their best to educate the people on Biodiversity. Again not trying to disrespect them.

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

As for Egyptsearch reloaded, that's an okay site.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
The have a lot of good posts there and as I said before there are a lot of good other posters who post about Africa and diaspora topics. Not every post has to be addressing Eurocentrism. Some do that and others are about Africa without worrying about what Europan people had to say about it

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
why only O.K. ?

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

Then I challenges you for your title! Almighty Lioness! Lol.

Anyways...I personally do not think Biodiversity forum is a good site, especially if you are interested in things 'African'. If you even try to bring up anything positive about Africa then the people would jump on you.

On that site its like people do not want to hear anything about Africa, whether its genetics, history, people,etc. They are not only bias against Africans but also Indians and Asians.

Like Djehuti said, it mostly comes down to racial crap even people STILL using outdated terms such as Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. And that site is mostly suppose to be about genetics. That is one of the things that really grind my gear about Biodiversity. They should be better than that...

Most of if not all the topics on that site are about race or racial pride. I even believe some people from Stormfront post on that site.

I know their are some people from Egyptsearch on post on their like beyoku, Game Theory and Doc Scientia. I am not trying to disrespect these guys, they are smart guys smarter than me. But...I don't really see them really trying to attack and destroy all the Eurocentric arguments on the site or any of the people who defend Africa. It seems they don't try their best to educate the people on Biodiversity. Again not trying to disrespect them.

As for Egyptsearch reloaded, that's an okay site.

Anyways Son of Ra will be coming for your title and he will not underestimate you. Gods>Lions.

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My point precisely! When Biodiversity first came out, it was truly about real bio-anthropology. Now the only 'diversity' you read about in that forum is the 'Caucasoid' race any other info about Asians and especially about Africans is treated with disdain. It is nothing more than a self-glorified 'Stormfront' in bad sheep's clothing.

That's the reason why lyinass finds 'Biodiversity' "good". LOL
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
My point precisely! When Biodiversity first came out, it was truly about real bio-anthropology. Now the only 'diversity' you read about in that forum is the 'Caucasoid' race any other info about Asians and especially about Africans is treated with disdain. It is nothing more than a self-glorified 'Stormfront' in bad sheep's clothing.

That's the reason why lyinass finds 'Biodiversity' "good". LOL [/QB]

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I thought it was started by the white supremacist named Racial Reality ( I could be wrong but I think he owns it) You are saying it was good white supremacist founded site when it first came out?
anthrospcape has a wide diversity of posters and they post a lot

Nevertheless lets' look at some recent threads on the site:

Japanese and Australian Aboriginies genetic connectionhttp://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5088481/1/


http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5098790/1/
Out of Africa, only 62,000 years ago; Based on new finding of faster DNA mutation rate in humans

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5085821/1/
Who knew? Camels used to roam the Arctic, reveal scientists; (although it was 3½million years ago when it was at least 14C warmer)

A Material Case for a Late Bering Strait Crossing
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4605948/1/
Haplogroup D
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5092953/1/

Dr. Anjit Varki and His Discoveries in Human Evolution
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5095312/1/


Disproved the whole Puerto Ricans are quadroons myth.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5090130/1/

Who are the true arabs?
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5099668/1/

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But Egyptsearch reloaded is the greatest Africanist/Egyptology site ever created.

But people like Djehooties and others don't support it with more posts because they would rather dance with Faheem here and pretend they're good
 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
What makes you think DJ is an Africanist? YOU probably have better motives than DJ. At least you do a better job at calling it as you see it...I got to admit the way you showup some ridiculous assertions is entertaining....but then again you have your own....absurd assertions
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ LMAO Is it any wonder why I call her lyinass??

I am no more Africanist than I am Europeanist when it comes to European history and culture and the same is true with Orientalist which is my heritage. Ancient Egypt is AFRICAN. North African is AFRICAN yet all the posts made by lyinass betray her Eurocentric agenda.
 

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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
You guys crack me up with these "private definitions"
which are really just the wrong use of words for which
you don't know the actual definitions.

An Africanist is an African studies professional.

A Europeanist is a pan-Europe practicalist.

An Orientalist was a breed of European (mostly authors
and painters) who romanicized Islamic cultures of Africa,
the Arabian peninsula, and Turkey.

Orientalist and (pre-1980's) Africanists were arms of
European colonialism in the said regions.

Africanist has nothing at all to do with pro-Africa
or pro-black sentiment. Because of Africanist aid to
colonial provocateurs and post-colonial agencies like
CIA and multi-national corporations most Africans and
blacks eschew the term Africanist as counter to the
struggle.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
^^^^ that's why I used the term Africanist about certain individuals who were into African studies but had also said they were not Afrocentric

but Djehutie didn't understand the difference
 

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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 

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Originally posted by the lioness,:

The theory is relating to a location's distance to the equator,
the closer to the equator the darker due to higher UV sunlight.

You see a general pattern of this with some exceptions.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

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Originally posted by the lyinass,:

No he doesn't group

that's a lie

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You're the lie! LOL He lists people from fairest to darkest among the northern nations from northernmost (Germanics) to southernmost (Syrians) then he goes to name people from darkest to lightest among the southern nations.

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Of these ethnicities he does not use the same adjective consistently.
There is no such consistent pattern and no two part division.

A word for 'light' or 'white' is not even used

You inserted 'black race' and 'white race'.

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My first reply above answers it. Of course he does not outright say light colored peoples and dark colored peoples but he lists two groups in different orders. Such orders correspond to the Greco-Roman world view which you are obviously totally oblivious of. Again, I suggest you read the myth of Phaeton.

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such terms have societal baggage. You wanted it.

Now to save face after having done that you claim you meant it in some other way.

The simple fact is that gentes means nations and that is made clear by national names he mentions, you dumb fvck.

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LOL YOU are the dumb f*ck who doesn't know a lick of Latin! Gente in its literal meaning is 'race' or ethnic group and not necessarily a nation state. The word for nation in Latin is natio. Of course when Manilius uses gente there is no biological appellation since race in its original definition has such.

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And the essential point is that Manilus does not combine the word gentes with another word to mean "the black gentes" and does not correspondingly combine the word gentes with a word meaning "the white gentes".

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Actually in the very beginning of his second grouping when he says Aethiopes stain the world with their darkest figures imbuing the 'hominum gentes' i.e. human races. Then he goes on to Indians who are less sun burnt, then Egyptians etc.

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You fvcked up. You read somebody's interpretation that this was a list of the black races and a list of the white races.
Same thing black nations and white nations only problem is that he did not put a stereotype skin color word or darkness/lightness word next to "nation"

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LOL YOU been f*cked up in the brains. We all know you are too blackphobic to realize the Greeks and Romans including Manilius grouped Egyptians with other southern peoples as sunburned or BLACK.

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The terms 'black' and 'white' are the most racial terms there are.
And you choose these words and you choose the word 'race' because you believe in the concept when it's convenient. When it's not convenient you say it doesn't exist.

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In correct. I never said anything about a black race and a white race for there is no such thing as biological race. I merely pointed out the FACT that Manilius did group light ethnicities i.e. 'races' into one group and dark ones in another. I never said there was a biological basis to it only that he apparently made these groupings.

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people who don't believe in race don't use the terms 'black', 'white' and yellow for people and they would not choose to use the word 'race' when nation could be used. You are a fraudster.

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I am merely translating and interpreting what Manilius said, b|tch. Don't kill the messenger.

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You choose not to use the word 'dark' in that statement because that's not enough. You need the racial term 'black',

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It was the same thing to the ancient authors. 'Dark', 'sunburnt', 'black', 'toasted'. These are all synonyms if you're dumb ass didn't know.

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Messed up translation

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I might as well translate it myself. LOL @ "French" there was no 'France' at that time and therefore no French. The people were the Galli or Celtic inhabitants of Gaul which included France among other countries.

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German
French
Spanish
Roman
Greek
Syrian
Ethiopian
Indian
Egyptian
Mauretanian


^^^^ This is exactly the order the names appear in. It's not even in graduated order from light to dark

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Yes you put the two groups together but leave out the context, lyinass b|tch.

From fairest to darkest: Germanics, Galli, Hispanes, Romans, Greeks, and Syrians, THEN..
From darkest to lightest: Ethiopians, Indians, Egyptians, Afori, and Mauretanians. The Syrians and Mauretanians converge in complexion around the 'Middle' i.e. Mediterranean.

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
I did not invent the term....

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Africanist may refer to:
1. A specialist in African studies
2. A strand of African nationalism during the activism against apartheid in South Africa particularly associated with the Pan Africanist Congress
3. A literary theory developed by author and critic Toni Morrison which holds that White authors often use images of blackness and Black people to explore fears and desires which are socially unacceptable. She outlines the theory in her book Playing In the Dark

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I choose what is behind door # 2
 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
You are getting soft Lioness...what's going with you baby.

Take a couple of days off. Play some golf. Get some...

You are losing your edgyness. Normally you don't back down from Afro-centrics.
 

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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
Door #2 is limited in time, space, and person to
apartheid era South Africa's PAC members and thus
inapplicable to the general tenor of ES discussion.

Lacking a hardcopy unabridged dictionary? Try
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Africanist
which lists entries from responsible publishers

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged

Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary
 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
quote: "inapplicable to the general tenor of ES discussion."

Says who....? But hey, I am not a Puritan..
 

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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
Says the lack of any apartheid era SA PAC members on ES.

Door #2 is obsolete short lived and generally unknown.

And I don't play around with definitions just to suit my fancy.

When I'm wrong I just admit it, try to learn from my mistake, and move on with a new fact for my bundle.

Least of all do I rely on a Wiki when I can access more qualified primary or secondary source materials, particularly
ones that don't remove the pan from pan-Africanist and know what the difference between pan-Africanist and Africanist.

But to each their own.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by the lyinass,:

^^^^ that's why I used the term Africanist about certain individuals who were into African studies but had also said they were not Afrocentric

but Djehutie didn't understand the difference

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LOL YOU don't understand anything as Tukuler pointed out. As for definitions, especially ones based on cultural trends, such change over time. 'Orientalist' is used to describe anyone not just white or Western scholars who have an affinity for Asian culture and not just the Middle East or Islamic. The same with Europeanist which is not the same as Eurocentric which is not the same as Euro-supremacist. Your lyinass fits in the latter phrases somewhere.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
up your lyinass...
 

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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
Yes, thanks for the precision that Orientalist has
evolved from the 19th century meaning and now denotes
for Asia what Africanist denotes for Africa, which
I didn't know before.

My intro to the term was from a book of paintings back
in 1979 The Orientalists with repros the likes of which
Mike111 is so fond and many others not focused on sex.


 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Yes, it is such evolution of terminology in which the word 'moor' which once meant black regardless of creed now means North African regardless of color.

By the way who's the dark/black guy in the painting above?
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Yes, it is such evolution of terminology in which the word 'moor' which once meant black regardless of creed now means North African regardless of color.

By the way who's the dark/black guy in the painting above?

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Yes, it is such evolution of terminology in which the word 'moor' which once meant black regardless of creed now means North African regardless of color.

By the way who's the dark/black guy in the painting above?

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
'Moor' as described by Manilius is a person a little bit lighter than the "medium tone" of the Egyptians


Ramesses II Relief Brooklyn Museum


 

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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
Goold adds words that aren't there and leaves out
words that are there in lines 725 - 727. Try lining
up his translation as is mine and see for yourself.

Looking at the Latin and keeping to its punctuation
Egyptians have bodies of graduating darkness like the
Nile irrigates the fields.

My interpretation of that is just as inundation moves
from south to north darkening the fields so Egyptian
colour is darkest in the south gradually getting less dark
heading toward the delta. (Of course the silt is darkest
next to the Nile and less dark as the field stretches away
from the Nile but the river moved the silt up from Abyssinia.)

Once at the delta the middle zone (Mediterranean)
is reached. It's this middle which moderates tones.

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tellusque   natans     Aegyptia  Nilo   lenius    irriguis    infuscat   corpora   campis
the earth   inundate   Egypt     Nile   gradual   irrigated   darkens    bodies    field

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iam   propior   mediumque    facit     moderata               tenorem.
now   nearer    the middle   produce   observing moderate     tenor

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Originally posted by the lyinass,:

'Moor' as described by Manilius is a person a little bit lighter than the "medium tone" of the Egyptians


Ramesses II Relief Brooklyn Museum

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LOL @ her cherry-picked pictures.

Better pictures of Tut.





More images of Ramses II (the Great).






 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
The lioness and others,i don't mean to change the subject but what do you think of these two videos.

This one i just seen.
Jesus was not black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE6G4C1C-rU


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This i seen awhile ago,in fact i watch the whole show.

Does this Reconstructed image looks black to you?or a intermediate phenotype that could go either way,black or white? or some type of mixed white type or a white that looks like they have admixture from blacks?

Look at the image and see for yourself.


The Face of Jesus: Reconstructed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilh8QkjpCh8
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
^^^make a new thread
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
I will stick with this one,but what is your view?oh and i edited my post,so look again.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Face of Jesus - forensic science

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8nUr5Lv7-Y
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ She only does so because of human origins in Africa but unfortunately when it comes to Egypt she still holds some 'traditional' bias.

Even independent scholar and 'feminist' historian Max Dashu could be called 'Afrocentric' for acknowledging the truth.:

Racism, History, & Lies

African Queens

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Maxine Hammond Dashu (born 1950), known professionally as Max Dashu, is an American feminist historian, author, and artist. Her areas of expertise include female iconography, mother-right cultures and the origins of patriarchy. She identifies as a lesbian.

In 1970, Dashu founded the Suppressed Histories Archives to research and document women's history and to make the full spectrum of women's history and culture visible and accessible. The collection includes 15,000 slides and 30,000 digital images. Since the early 1970s, Dashu has delivered visual presentations on women's history throughout North America, Europe and Australia.

Dashu is the author of Witches and Pagans: Women in European Folk Religion, 700–1100 (2016), the first volume of a planned 16-volume series called Secret History of the Witches.

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