quote:theres a back story
Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
^^^ Truthcentric also as known as Swenet's lap dog.
quote:However Truth C. is right, it's inappropriate to post private messages
Originally posted by Tukuler:
quote:.
Originally posted by Centric:
As to whether ancient Egyptians or Nubians would have identified as Black people had their culture and phenotype persisted to the modern post-colonial era, that we can only speculate.
Book of Gates Gate of Teka Hra vignette(scene) 30 says you lie.
This translation supercedes my previous
postings, is tentative, not literal, rather
designed for 21st century understandings.
December 2004 was when I first began presenting it here. See
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/001098.html or
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=001098
- Excerpts originally posted by alTakruri on October 04, 2006:
Transliteration and translation of the 1st 5 columns
of the Book of Gates the Gate of Teka Hra vignette 30code:CAPS = multi-literal phonogram;
: = determinative;
[] = unvoiced phonetic compliment;
. = suffixcode:Col1: å-n HRW n nn.[n-n]
Says(interogative) Heru to these:
-
Col2: [HHQ3].`a-w-t.plural RA
"Herds (of) Ra
-
Col3: å-m.w:plural DWA.t:pr
Dwellers (in) netherworld.
-
Col4: KM[m].t:nwt d-sh-r.t:nwt AKH
Black community. Red community.
-
Col5: [kh]:scroll n th-n:plural HQA.w:plural RA
Beatification to ye subjects (of) Ra!
The "four types" -- or better, the "subjects of Ra" -- scene depicts the sun in
the 5th night hour with Heru addressing the dead. He verbally divides them
into the blacks (Nile Valley folk, i.e., Egyptians and Nehesis) under his protection,
and the reds (folk dwelling east or west of the Nile) under Sekhet's protection.
Heru is addressing all four types, first with a general intro
to the entire party of the afterlife dead (who died that day) still
in their shrouds. He "beatifies" them, reanimates them with
"spirit" (breath/wind), and releases them from their shrouds.
Then after all that he addresses each group in turn speaking
of the origins of their creation and assigning their "patron" deity.
First the RT RMTW and then in from sunrise to sunset order the
AAMW, NHHSW, and TMHHW .
The NWT ideogram means neither people nor land.
The
glyph depicts a crossroads indicating a village or city, i.e. a
settlement or habitation. thus the use of it to mean community
in its broad application for the corpus of the dead. It [mostly]
appears as the determinative following the name of a city.
Now if one wants to take black as meaning literal black skin, then
go ahead. I recognize a range of skin tones among blacks and
also recognize the difference as used in Africa between blacks
and reds, both of whom may be African, and blacks and reds
where reds means coloureds and whites. As an example, in
medieval Arab writings they class themselves as reds in
distinction to black Africans of Biled es Sudan but as blacks
in distinction to red/white Eurasians like Persians, Slavs, etc.
____________________________________
In scene 30 Horus establishes the blacks and the
reds as two communities not races, a concept not
introduced until the birth of anthropology in the
18th century in expansionist Europe.
In scene 30 Heru states that the blacks are the
creations of his or Re's tears/semen and under
his patronage whereas the reds have Sekhmet as
their patron.
The blacks are the RT RMT yw and the NHHSW Nile dwellers.
The reds are the A3MW and TMHHW of the adjoining deserts.
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:theres a back story
Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
^^^ Truthcentric also as known as Swenet's lap dog.
he's mad because in the horner thread, p 6, Tukular changed his name from truthcentric to centric and said he lied
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=009022;p=6#000292
quote:However Truth C. is right, it's inappropriate to post private messages
Originally posted by Tukuler:
quote:.
Originally posted by Centric:
As to whether ancient Egyptians or Nubians would have identified as Black people had their culture and phenotype persisted to the modern post-colonial era, that we can only speculate.
Book of Gates Gate of Teka Hra vignette(scene) 30 says you lie.
This translation supercedes my previous
postings, is tentative, not literal, rather
designed for 21st century understandings.
December 2004 was when I first began presenting it here. See
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/001098.html or
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=001098
- Excerpts originally posted by alTakruri on October 04, 2006:
Transliteration and translation of the 1st 5 columns
of the Book of Gates the Gate of Teka Hra vignette 30code:CAPS = multi-literal phonogram;
: = determinative;
[] = unvoiced phonetic compliment;
. = suffixcode:Col1: å-n HRW n nn.[n-n]
Says(interogative) Heru to these:
-
Col2: [HHQ3].`a-w-t.plural RA
"Herds (of) Ra
-
Col3: å-m.w:plural DWA.t:pr
Dwellers (in) netherworld.
-
Col4: KM[m].t:nwt d-sh-r.t:nwt AKH
Black community. Red community.
-
Col5: [kh]:scroll n th-n:plural HQA.w:plural RA
Beatification to ye subjects (of) Ra!
The "four types" -- or better, the "subjects of Ra" -- scene depicts the sun in
the 5th night hour with Heru addressing the dead. He verbally divides them
into the blacks (Nile Valley folk, i.e., Egyptians and Nehesis) under his protection,
and the reds (folk dwelling east or west of the Nile) under Sekhet's protection.
Heru is addressing all four types, first with a general intro
to the entire party of the afterlife dead (who died that day) still
in their shrouds. He "beatifies" them, reanimates them with
"spirit" (breath/wind), and releases them from their shrouds.
Then after all that he addresses each group in turn speaking
of the origins of their creation and assigning their "patron" deity.
First the RT RMTW and then in from sunrise to sunset order the
AAMW, NHHSW, and TMHHW .
The NWT ideogram means neither people nor land.
The
glyph depicts a crossroads indicating a village or city, i.e. a
settlement or habitation. thus the use of it to mean community
in its broad application for the corpus of the dead. It [mostly]
appears as the determinative following the name of a city.
Now if one wants to take black as meaning literal black skin, then
go ahead. I recognize a range of skin tones among blacks and
also recognize the difference as used in Africa between blacks
and reds, both of whom may be African, and blacks and reds
where reds means coloureds and whites. As an example, in
medieval Arab writings they class themselves as reds in
distinction to black Africans of Biled es Sudan but as blacks
in distinction to red/white Eurasians like Persians, Slavs, etc.
____________________________________
In scene 30 Horus establishes the blacks and the
reds as two communities not races, a concept not
introduced until the birth of anthropology in the
18th century in expansionist Europe.
In scene 30 Heru states that the blacks are the
creations of his or Re's tears/semen and under
his patronage whereas the reds have Sekhmet as
their patron.
The blacks are the RT RMT yw and the NHHSW Nile dwellers.
The reds are the A3MW and TMHHW of the adjoining deserts.
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
Btw. What is the "gossip table ". ?
Maybe you need an impartial admin like Anansi at the helm of the FB group
quote:Interesting.....
Originally posted by Tukuler:
The gossip table is where he and his
lackeys sit and stew over ES the place
they cannabalized though calling it
good for nothing yet continuously
posting to it.
Curious as to their FB page?
I suggest you join it and see
firsthand without relying on
rumor. You just might find
you like it.
And no one is impartial. All mods
are biased to a certain degree and
will allow some to get away with
what they won't let others do.
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
Btw. What is the "gossip table ". ?
Maybe you need an impartial admin like Anansi at the helm of the FB group
quote:.
Originally posted by Swenet:
I have no intention to post anything here.
quote:Where do you see a reply to the reason you bumped
Originally posted by Tukuler:quote:But you just did!
Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:I have no intention to post anything here.
Originally posted by Tukuler:
Bring it here coward.
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
Swenet? Always figured you were gay tyrant. You need to grow up....brotha and understand life.
quote:^I'm having a blast right now . Isn't it amazing
I cannot legally post your msgs
here but anyone on your FB can
access that 'thread' and see
you called for a vote before
enacting global changes in the
future and that just jumping up
altering things was not a good
precedent and gave reason why.
quote:No. YOU LOSE after your botched attempt to make
Go on, have the last word, YOU WIN
quote:.
Originally posted by Swenet:
This thread is becoming a disaster for the fake
“al-Takruri” persona, and he wants it out of plain
sight ASAP, so he can continue to splurge in the
self-serving megalomanic fantasies he fabricates
about himself when he thinks people who aren’t
fooled by his act, aren’t looking. He wishes he
could hop in his "modman" account and make this
self-inflicted nightmare go away. Its mere existence
is a threat to his credibility as a mod and as a
person who has professed to stand for certain
values over the years. It pains him to know that
his embarrassing display is on record, and that
it's not going anywhere.
I'll make sure of that.
quote:I thought it was me who took it down.
Originally posted by tropicals redacted:
@Truthcentric
Could you confirm whether it was you or Al-Takruri who removed the image from the FB site?
From what I remember, you deleted it, something born out by the FB quotes in this thread. But could you clarify?
quote:
Originally posted by tropicals redacted:
I was a member of the FB group at the time and I...., I think I said I thought the image 'cheesey', as in contrived,
quote:OK, thanks for clarifying.
I thought it was me who took it down.
quote:Actually the thought process that went through my head when I created that photo-manipulation did go something along the lines of "what would an ancient Egyptian queen look like if portrayed by a modern actress in a movie?" Hence the choice of Lupita Nyong'o. Well, that and I think she's pretty.
Originally posted by Swenet:
@Gotcha Truthcentric
@Xyyman why would no one take the group seriously
because of it? You'd have to explain that one to me.
I would be conflicted with it being an image of a
celeb more than anything. Unless the image would
depict AE in general like that, the reasons stated
for why it would be inappropriate are baseless. Ashait
and certain other Nubian queens testify to the
historicity of such a portrayal (i.e. a specifically
Sudanese phenotype in royal gear). And it wasn't
a logo, it was a FB cover photo. Big difference.
The former is immutable, images uploaded to the
latter aren't.
And let's also not forget that Egypt isn't the
only Nile Valley kingdom with pharaonic royal
regalia, shall we? From memory, at the time the
issue was raised, I don't think there was a
reason to assume it should specifically refer to
AE to begin with.
quote:I've never had a conflict with him over there,
Originally posted by Djehuti:
And this is why I am somewhat apprehensive
about joining the Facebook Group. What the
heck is going on there?
quote:Wow.
Originally posted by Djehuti:
And even though I never wanted the
job I noted how immediately after someone
suggested me you went up in arms with a
"HELL NO! I will leave for good" or that effect
quote:I dont understand why you and other members were so apprehensive about joining the group. It was specifically stated....repeatedly...... that it was not an alternative to ES or ESR.
Originally posted by Djehuti:
And this is why I am somewhat apprehensive about joining the Facebook Group. What the heck is going on there? Why are veterans at each others throats all of a sudden, if that is truly the case??
quote:As a member of the FB group I can co-sign this. There is no conspiracy. Theres hardly any off-topic stuff and no one even tries to act like an authority. We mostly discuss various studies posted. Thats it.
Originally posted by beyoku:
quote:I dont understand why you and other members were so apprehensive about joining the group. It was specifically stated....repeatedly...... that it was not an alternative to ES or ESR.
Originally posted by Djehuti:
And this is why I am somewhat apprehensive about joining the Facebook Group. What the heck is going on there? Why are veterans at each others throats all of a sudden, if that is truly the case??
Yall folks act is if once you joined you would be held hostage and stopped from leaving. Or lose access to the internet or something. I don't get it.
There is no conspiracy going on in the FB group. The only difference is that we are focused on research and commentary of papers rarely discussed on the web and are somewhat exclusive. Tracking down odd papers. Tracking down african ancient DNA studies. Posting images and text from purchased books. Stuff like that that is what we do...not relishing ad infinitum over DNA tribes data from years ago........or posting context-less collages with 15 year old data or walls of text that nobody will even read.
I dont know what people are doing here...but the data is out there, good stuff....you just have to actively search for it or have the need for new information. I don't see that here any longer.
quote:I never bought into the notion that Tukuler was somehow a 'victim' but it's obvious he has some issue with you. I'm just curious as to why.
Originally posted by Swenet:
Xyyman didn't surpise me when he allowed Tukuler
to pull the wool over his eyes, but I'm surprised
that you would buy into this manipulative victim
role of his and his lying suggestions of unfair
treatment and whatever he wants his gullible
audience to believe. Thought you knew me better
than that.
quote:Yeah. I've always respected Tukuler as any other vet in this forum and while I personally never had a problem with him I do wonder what his issue was/is with me. But oh well.
quote:Wow.
Originally posted by Djehuti:
And even though I never wanted the
job I noted how immediately after someone
suggested me you went up in arms with a
"HELL NO! I will leave for good" or that effect
quote:Again, legitimizing his manipulations by presuming
Originally posted by Djehuti:
I never bought into the notion that Tukuler was
somehow a 'victim' but it's obvious he has some
issue with you. I'm just curious as to why.
quote:I've always suspected this to be the case, but since when does being a moderator all of a sudden mean 'being in charge of Africana'??! Last time I checked, being moderator does NOT mean deciding what topics are to be discussed and by whom. Even Ausar allows the discussion of African civilizations other than Egypt and such goes on all the time here. All of this besides the obvious racial/cultural bias on his part since on other forums non-Asians including blacks discuss Asian history and culture all the time.
Originally posted by xyyman:
slow DJ. You missed his point or is it selective memory?
He does not like the idea of non-African/non-Black being in charge of Africana....which is hypocritical since this site is owned by white and/or a Turk.