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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
This video explains why some Blacks choose to support Eurocentrist theories and researchers, while they attack Afrocentric researchers who study Egypt and Black Civilization..

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Posted by Tehutimes (Member # 21712) on :
 
An informative video one would think the internet would encourage cultural cohesiveness yet minds have to think for theirselves.
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 

 
Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :
 
They are not attacking “black scholars”. They are attacking the shoddy conclusion and interpretations in some of their work.

Not too long ago I was in a black bookstore, one book quoted you in Reference to precolumbian African dna in the Americas and referered to an article in which you stated that Khoisan in Southern Africa carry Y-DNA : D-M174.

Can you produce an original source of Southern African D-M174?
 
Posted by Elite Diasporan (Member # 22000) on :
 
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Originally posted by beyoku:
They are not attacking “black scholars”. They are attacking the shoddy conclusion and interpretations in some of their work.

Not too long ago I was in a black bookstore, one book quoted you in Reference to precolumbian African dna in the Americas and referered to an article in which you stated that Khoisan in Southern Africa carry Y-DNA : D-M174.

Can you produce an original source of Southern African D-M174?

Very interesting...
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
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originally posted by: Clyde Winters

http://bafsudralam.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-first-americans-were-khoisan.html

The first Americans were Khoisan speakers. The Penon woman of Mexico and Luzia of Brazil were probably Khoisan. this is supported by the ancient Y-chromosomes of the Fuegians of South America.

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originally posted by: Clyde Winters

https://yeyeolade.wordpress.com/category/blacks-in-thenear-east/

I believe that the Natufians given the craniometric evidence for this group probably were San and/or Khoisan . Up to today many Khoisan people live in East Africa, the origination point for the Natufian people. I would guess that the Natufians spoke a Khoisan language.



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originally posted by: Clyde Winters

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA&sa=U&ved=0ahU

It appears that the first Europeans were Khoisan (Boule and Vallois, 1957).

--Encyclopedia of Making up Stuff,
Oxforde University Press, 2002
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
Yea, I said the Khoisan carry D-M174. It has been a while since I wrote this so I have lost the source.

The PaleoAmericans were Khoisan. In fact the Khoisan was the dominant population in the Americas and Eurasia until the expansion of the Anu (Pygymies).
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Researchers believe the Fuegians are remnants of the earliest settlers of the New World. The Fuegians have different genetic make-up from the other South Americans Indians.

George Weber notes that: “As far as we can draw conclusions from a single skeleton, the fact that Pali Aike aligns with Africans and Australians, instead of with Asians and modern Amerindians is significant in at least two different ways for the current debate about who were the first Americans.” .


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George Weber added that: “First, it shows that people similar to those that inhabited the Lagoa Santa area, in central Brazil, and the area of Sabana de Bogota, in Colombia, once had a wide distribution across South America, reaching even the southernmost region of the sub-continent.” He added: Second, but intrinsically related to the first fact, that the non-Mongoloid morphology already demonstrated to occur in tropical and subtropical areas of South America.

The Fuegians and Khoisan share many culture traits including housing and tools. Below you can see the similar elements shared by the Fuegians and Khoisan.

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The Fuegians and Khoisan carry the M174 gene related to the D haplogroup. The Fuegians may carry the genes of the first Americans note the facial characteristics of the Fuegians and Khoisan and the homes they built.

Now we know that they introduced Y-Chromosome R into the Americas also.
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:


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Are you joking?
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
They are not attacking “black scholars”. They are attacking the shoddy conclusion and interpretations in some of their work.

Not too long ago I was in a black bookstore, one book quoted you in Reference to precolumbian African dna in the Americas and referered to an article in which you stated that Khoisan in Southern Africa carry Y-DNA : D-M174.

Can you produce an original source of Southern African D-M174?

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Book

https://books.google.com/books?id=nXh0QrPYrYUC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=fuegians&f=false

The First Americans Were Africans: Documented Evidence
By David Imhotep

page 39 references a Clyde video not an article:

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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Yea, I said the Khoisan carry D-M174. It has been a while since I wrote this so I have lost the source.


Busted yall, making up stuff
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:


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Are you joking?
No. Why do you think I'm joking?

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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
They are not attacking “black scholars”. They are attacking the shoddy conclusion and interpretations in some of their work.

Not too long ago I was in a black bookstore, one book quoted you in Reference to precolumbian African dna in the Americas and referered to an article in which you stated that Khoisan in Southern Africa carry Y-DNA : D-M174.

Can you produce an original source of Southern African D-M174?

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Book

https://books.google.com/books?id=nXh0QrPYrYUC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=fuegians&f=false

The First Americans Were Africans: Documented Evidence
By David Imhotep

page 39 references a Clyde video not an article:

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Yea, I said the Khoisan carry D-M174. It has been a while since I wrote this so I have lost the source.


Busted yall, making up stuff

Click on the picture to see this video. Enjoy.

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I made this video in 2008. That was 9 years ago. Since then I have made significant discoveries regarding the Khoisan in America. It was the Khoisan who introduced the Solutrean culture to the Americas.
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Since then I have made significant discoveries regarding the Khoisan in America. It was the Khoisan who introduced the Solutrean culture to the Americas.

that's silliness Khoisans carry a lot of hap A, some B and a very very small percentage of R probably due to European settlers. Many are also mixed with bantu

So where the hell is all that hap A in the Americans then?
Answer that before even addressing other haplogroups
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Since then I have made significant discoveries regarding the Khoisan in America. It was the Khoisan who introduced the Solutrean culture to the Americas.

that's silliness Khoisans carry a lot of hap A, some B and a very very small percentage of R probably due to European settlers. Many are also mixed with bantu

So where the hell is all that hap A in the Americans then?
Answer that before even addressing other haplogroups

LOL. That's easy to answer. There have been at least three migrations of African populations into the Americas in the past 20,000 years, plus the introduction of Mongoloid Indians from Asia, 6000 years ago has led to genetic drift decreasing the influence of hg A in the Americas/
We may never know the admixture between Native Americans and Africans if we wait to get the information from researchers because they are attempting to maintain the status quo.

Discrepancies take place because researchers do not want to tell the truth about the genetic histories of African people and their admixture with Native Americans and Eurasians. As a result, researchers have developed methods to exclude evidence of non-Africans carrying haplogroups mtDNA haplogroups L, and y-Chromosomes E and A.


This is due to the protocols of AdMixture and Structure programs that assume that Native Americans, Europeans and Africans only met after 1492. As a result researchers try to find methods to exclude African presence in European and Native Americans so evidence of this admixture will not be evidenced in the final results. Next researchers claim that if African people carry mtDNA haplogroups: N, R, M and D ; and Y-Chromosomes C, Q, I, J, and R, they are carrying Eurasians haplogroups, eventhough all of these haplogroups are found among African populations that have no history of admixture with Europeans. As a result, these haplogroups are probably of African origin--not a back migration.

Researchers believe this evidence should be excluded because any African admixture among these populations have to be recent.
The best example of how African admixture is excluded in research is Reich, D. et al, Reconstructing Native American population history. Nature 488, 370-374 (2012) Paper web page , the method used to exclude African admixture from this study is detailed in Supplementary Material 1.Reich, D. et al (2012) outlines the motivations for the exclusion of Africans from his study:
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Given the exclusion of Africans from studies like Reich, D. et al (2012), means that we do not really know the actual admixture among Africans and Native American that carry the accepted African haplogroups: i.e., haplogroups A, E , L and etc.


Moreover, once researchers stop masking out African haplogroups when they do Native American admixture projects, we will probably see more evidence of hg A, in the Americas.
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
So to recap, Clyde has zero evidence of Khosian DNA in the Americas, nor Khosians with hair resembling Fuegians
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
So to recap, Clyde has zero evidence of Khosian DNA in the Americas, nor Khosians with hair resembling Fuegians

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I have presented abundant evidence supporting the Khoisan origin of many PaleoAmericans. This data has been published in several articles. If you disagree write an article providing evidence that falsify my research.

Clyde Winters , THE PALEOAMERICANS CAME FROM AFRICA, https://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA

Clyde Winters, AFRICAN ORIGINS PALEOAMERICAN DNA, https://www.academia.edu/12231300/AFRICAN_ORIGINS_PALEOAMERICAN_DNA
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

If you disagree write an article providing evidence that falsify my research.


Clydian non-sequiter if you cannot disprove that a mouse lives on the moon

a mouse does live on the moon
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

If you disagree write an article providing evidence that falsify my research.


Clydian non-sequiter if you cannot disprove that a mouse lives on the moon

a mouse does live on the moon

LOL. Euronut you don't know anything about science . Your example, is illogical and non-scientific because there is no way to test your hypotheses, since we don't know what exist on the moon.

My articles on the otherhand, provide data that support my hypotheses. As a result all you have to do is find counter evidence that falsify my evidence, if I am wrong. In science you test hypotheses, not non-verifiable statements.

I have written books and articles on Black Native America and the haplogroups they carry.

Winters,C. (2015). THE PALEOAMERICANS CAME FROM AFRICA,jirr.htm2015 Vol. 3 (3) July-September, pp.71-83/Winter. https://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA

Winters,C. (2015). A PROTOCOL TO EVALUATE POPULATION GENETICS PAPERS. Available at Cibtech Journal of Bio-Protocols , 4 (1):1-7. http://www.cibtech.org/J-Bio-Protocols/PUBLICATIONS/2015/Vol-4-No-1/01-CJBP-001-WINTERS-PROTOCOL-PAPERS.pdf

Winters,C. (2015). AFRICAN ORIGIN OF NATIVE AMERICAN R1-M173. International Journal of Innovative Research and Review , 3 (1):21-29. http://www.cibtech.org/J-Innovative-Research-Review/Publications/2015/Vol-3-No-1/04-JIRR-004-CLYDE-AFRICAN.pdf

Winters, C. (2014). Were the First Europeans Pale or Dark Skinned? Advances in Anthropology, 4,124-132. http://dx.doi.org/10.4236/aa.2014.43016

_________HLA-B*35 IN MEXICAN AMERINDIANS AND AFRICAN , https://www.academia.edu/11789004/HLA-B_35_IN_MEXICAN_AMERINDIANS_AND_AFRICAN_POPULATIONS

___________Inference of Ancient Black Mexican Tribes and DNA, http://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/4856

____________Who were the Mound Builders, https://www.academia.edu/11788622/WHO_WERE_THE_MOUND_BUILDERS_IN_THE_UNITED_STATES

______________African and Dravidian Origins of the Melenesians, https://www.academia.edu/10306654/AFRICAN_AND_DRAVIDIAN_ORIGINS_OF_THE_MELANESIANS

_______________. AFRICAN ORIGINS PALEOAMERICAN DNA . https://www.academia.edu/12231300/AFRICAN_ORIGINS_PALEOAMERICAN_DNA

________________. THE PALEOAMERICANS CAME FROM AFRICA. https://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA

Winters,C. (2011). Is Native American R Y-Chromosome of African Origin?. Cur Res J Bio Scien, 3(6): 555-558. Retrieved 3/16/2015 at : http://www.academia.edu/1898582/Is_Native_American_R_Y-Chromosome_of_African_Origin

Winters, C. (211a).POSSIBLE AFRICAN ORIGIN OF Y-CHROMOSOME R1-M173. https://www.academia.edu/1898548/Possible_African_Origin_of_Y-Chromosome_R1_-M173

Winters, C. (2010). The Kushite Spread of Haplogroup R1*-M173 from Africa to Eurasia. http://www.maxwellsci.com/print/crjbs/v2-294-299.pdf

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

Your example, is illogical and non-scientific because there is no way to test your hypotheses, since we don't know what exist on the moon.


That's exactly how Clydian Falcification Theory works

since no one can disprove Khosians carried D-M174 they did

the burden off proof is on the respondent
 
Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :
 
Clyde. You haven’t proved anything. You are on record saying Khoisan have D-M174. Now you are saying Fueguins have It to. Please source the evidence. It doesn’t matter how long ago you wrote it, go to your article and pull up the reference for the tested sample showing D-M174.

Or should I assume you just made it up?
Are there ANY Native American groups samples for D-M174?
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
We are talking about two different things. lioness claimed "So to recap, Clyde has zero evidence of Khosian DNA in the Americas, nor Khosians with hair resembling Fuegians", she was wrong. The Khoisan settled the Americas after the Australians. They were the PaleoAmericans.

As I said before I have lost the sources for the claims I made in the 2008 video.Before I did the video I saw papers that situated D-M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan.

As a result, of losing the papers where I found this information, I believe , I have never made the claim that Khoisan and Fuegians carried D-M174 in any of my published research articles.

But I did not make this claim up.

In my research articles I have confirmed that the Khoisan has contributed to the Native American genetic pool.

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I have presented abundant evidence supporting the Khoisan origin of many PaleoAmericans. This data has been published in several articles. If you disagree write an article providing evidence that falsify my research.

Clyde Winters , THE PALEOAMERICANS CAME FROM AFRICA, https://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA

Clyde Winters, AFRICAN ORIGINS PALEOAMERICAN DNA, https://www.academia.edu/12231300/AFRICAN_ORIGINS_PALEOAMERICAN_DNA
 
Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :
 
So you don’t have the genetic evidence for Khoisan D-M174. And apparently you dont have the confidence to simply FIND the original source. There are not too many samples of South African Khoisan and you could easily find it if it existed.

So basically you just made that shit up?
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
I used genetic evidence to make my claim. I made inferences based on the Y-STRs of 400 year old Fuegian skeletons and Khoisan haplogroups.

The Khoisan carry Y-hg A,the foundational haplogroup to all known patrilineal lineages. As a result, they carry numerous Y-hg including A,B,and E. I used this evidence to propose that Khoisan probably also carried Y-hg D.

The y chromosome STRs of the Fuegians include DYS434,DYS437,DYS 439, DYS 393, DYS391,DYS390, DYS19, DYS 389I, DYS389II and DYS 388. Except for DYS390 and DYS388 they are characteristic of Y-haplogroup A1 . A1 is recognized as a Khoisan haplogroup.


Researchers have found the signature six microsatellites in YAP and M174 are DYS19, DYS388,DYS390, DYS391,DYS392 and DYS393. This corresponded to the Fuegians Y-STRs DYS434, DYS437, DYS439, DYS393, DYS391, DYS390, DYS19, DYS389I, DYS389II, and DYS388. These microsatellites that usually define M174, are also found among the Khoisan ( as part of Y-hg A1). As a result, I made the claim that the Khoisan and Fuegians 400 years ago were related.
 
Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :
 
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
I used genetic evidence to make my claim. I made inferences based on the Y-STRs of 400 year old Fuegian skeletons and Khoisan haplogroups.

The Khoisan carry Y-hg A,the foundational haplogroup to all known patrilineal lineages. As a result, they carry numerous Y-hg including A,B,and E. I used this evidence to propose that Khoisan probably also carried Y-hg D.

The y chromosome STRs of the Fuegians include DYS434,DYS437,DYS 439, DYS 393, DYS391,DYS390, DYS19, DYS 389I, DYS389II and DYS 388. Except for DYS390 and DYS388 they are characteristic of Y-haplogroup A1 . A1 is recognized as a Khoisan haplogroup.


Researchers have found the signature six microsatellites in YAP and M174 are DYS19, DYS388,DYS390, DYS391,DYS392 and DYS393. This corresponded to the Fuegians Y-STRs DYS434, DYS437, DYS439, DYS393, DYS391, DYS390, DYS19, DYS389I, DYS389II, and DYS388. These microsatellites that usually define M174, are also found among the Khoisan ( as part of Y-hg A1). As a result, I made the claim that the Khoisan and Fuegians 400 years ago were related.

Man.....what.....the.....fvck...... is that gobbledegook you just wrote? You are just making stuff up. Boy I SWEAR you are counter intelligence.

YAP and M174 are not microssatellite STR’s. They are SNP’s. Furthermore those DYS positions you posted are just that.....locations. You left out the STR repeat.....ALL Y chromosomes have those diagnostic positions when dealing with STR. What differs when you are dealing with predicted haplogroups is the number of repeats on DYS19, DYS392 or DYS390 etc.

Also the STR profile found in Khoisan when looking at SNPs cannot be both a terminal lineage under A-M91 AND D-M174. It’s either one or the other. If you don’t know what your are talking about you cannot just make stuff up and not even be remotely close.

In essence what you did is make a claim that you “live in the whitehouse because your address contains a “Street name” and a “city”. It didn’t matter that you don’t give us the specific.....but since your home and the White House both contain a “Street name” and a “city” within its address then it’s obvious you can argue you live there.
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Clyde can you please remove or edit this video until you properly reference your claim on Khosian and Fuegians carrying M174

thanks

If not you will have to be categorized as a psuedo scientist

Your rep is on the line here, these videos need references too, that can be done in a two second still
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Clyde can you please remove or edit this video until you properly reference your claim on Khosian and Fuegians carrying M174

thanks

If not you will have to be categorized as a psuedo scientist

Your rep is on the line here, these videos need references too, that can be done in a two second still

No I will not edit the video. I made a hypothesis and I stand by it. You can disagree with it but I will not retract it. Over time I may be proven correct.

Researchers apply whatever haplogroup they which to aDNA because of the association of genes to various haplogroups.

Looking at ancient DNA to determine ancient population origins can be misleading. Let’s look at dna of Ust-ishim and Clovis-Anzick man as it compares to modern populations.


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Although it is clear that Ust-ishim was T2b3, the popular press claims he belonged to the haplogroup U clade. Look at the cousins of Ust-ishim it is these modern people who belong to the U clade that are his cousins. See: http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/ust-ishim-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html


Look at the Clovis-Anzick DNA matches to modern people.

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If you look closely you can see how they match many Non-Native Americans. See http://www.fi.id.au/2014/09/clovis-anzick-1-dna-match-living-people.html


What does this mean? It means that researchers may only be giving us results that match their expectations of how the data should look.

IN relation to Anzick man Felix Immanuel noted that:

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Just a quick recap, I processed the raw data for Clovis-Anzick-1 and uploaded into GEDMatch and to my surprise, there are matches as near as 3rd to 4th cousins. Now, that's a real problem because, the matches are to a DNA sample older than 12500 years. This is practically impossible and very mysterious.[/img] I will investigate step-by-step and see what are all the possibilities and failure points, which could solve the problem. But before that, we need to be absolutely sure that these matches are indeed valid. From the matches, I requested for phased kit and I indeed got one - Thanks to Mario Diaz and Veronica.


See: http://www.fi.id.au/search/label/Anzick



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Clearly, an IBD segment of 5 cM above 500 SNPs with total IBD segments around 10+ cM cannot be 12500 years old. This is a fact and can be verified using known relationships in families and DNA companies are using these benchmarks all along for showing genetic matches. This fact is more than enough to conclude that the Clovis-Anzick-1 sample is not actually ancient. My best guess is, the infant boy's sample is just from the last century and it was wrongly labeled as 12500 years old or the sample got contaminated.


See: http://www.fi.id.au/search/label/Anzick

As you can see the DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.

As a result, there is no need to redo my video, overtime my Fuegian-Khoisan matches may be proven correct.
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Clyde can you please remove or edit this video until you properly reference your claim on Khosian and Fuegians carrying M174

thanks

If not you will have to be categorized as a psuedo scientist

Your rep is on the line here, these videos need references too, that can be done in a two second still

No I will not edit the video. I made a hypothesis and I stand by it. You can disagree with it but I will not retract it. Over time I may be proven correct.


You made a hypothesis Khosians and Fuegians carry M174

Yet you don't say it's a hypothesis in the video. You state it as fact.

Clyde please remove or edit this video on youtube, your credibility is on the line here
 
Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :
 
This guy HAS NO CREDIBILITY.

“I was wrong about this one” is all he would need to say.

This issue with M174 like plenty of other ideas around mtdna and yDna put forth by Clyde are simply WRONG.

Sometimes the frequencies and presence of a lineage is wrong.......sometimes the science itself is wrong. Either way that doesn’t make me brainwashed. It just means we calling you out on some made up bullshit.

Also If you can’t find the lineage in Khoisan by simply looking into your last work that means you didn’t even properly reference it.
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
LOL. There are many brainwashed people on this forum. If this was not so xyyman, Mike and others would not be banned, simply because they question many of the beliefs of the status quo and Academia. Due to being brainwashed, they see any criticism of the status quo as a threat to their inteeligence, since they believe anything published by an Academic is true.

Now we only have posters who accept whatever is published as reliable and valid, instead of seriously looking at the data and results published in these research articles.


There has always been many people here who believe I lack credibility and you can tell who they are because I never directly respond this cabal of cowards.

In relation to the issue of M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan, I tried to use Y-STR loci, to determine the presence of M174 among and within (the Fuegian skeletons) and the Khoisan population. After, making this claim I reframed from attempting this procedure again, since I do not work in a laboratory . Now in doing my articles I try to use only published mtDNA and YDNA results to support my hypotheses.

But no matter, what they believe I am diligent in referencing my published research articles and invite anyone to write a rebuttal to my research articles, supporting their attack with proper citation.
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

In relation to the issue of M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan, I tried to use Y-STR loci, to determine the presence of M174 among and within (the Fuegian skeletons) and the Khoisan population. After, making this claim I reframed from attempting this procedure again, since I do not work in a laboratory . Now in doing my articles I try to use only published mtDNA and YDNA results to support my hypotheses.


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You made a hypothesis Khosians and Fuegians carry M174

Yet you don't say it's a hypothesis in the video. You state it as fact. A hypothesis is not a fact

Clyde please remove or edit this video on youtube, thank you
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

In relation to the issue of M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan, I tried to use Y-STR loci, to determine the presence of M174 among and within (the Fuegian skeletons) and the Khoisan population. After, making this claim I reframed from attempting this procedure again, since I do not work in a laboratory . Now in doing my articles I try to use only published mtDNA and YDNA results to support my hypotheses.


You made a hypothesis Khosians and Fuegians carry M174

Yet you don't say it's a hypothesis in the video. You state it as fact. A hypothesis is not a fact

Clyde please remove or edit this video on youtube, thank you

No I will not edit the video. I made a hypothesis and I stand by it. You can disagree with it but I will not retract it. Over time I may be proven correct.

Researchers apply whatever haplogroup they which to aDNA because of the association of genes to various haplogroups.

Looking at ancient DNA to determine ancient population origins can be misleading. Let’s look at dna of Ust-ishim and Clovis-Anzick man as it compares to modern populations.


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Although it is clear that Ust-ishim was T2b3, the popular press claims he belonged to the haplogroup U clade. Look at the cousins of Ust-ishim it is these modern people who belong to the U clade that are his cousins. See: http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/ust-ishim-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html


Look at the Clovis-Anzick DNA matches to modern people.

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If you look closely you can see how they match many Non-Native Americans. See http://www.fi.id.au/2014/09/clovis-anzick-1-dna-match-living-people.html


What does this mean? It means that researchers may only be giving us results that match their expectations of how the data should look.

IN relation to Anzick man Felix Immanuel noted that:

quote:


Just a quick recap, I processed the raw data for Clovis-Anzick-1 and uploaded into GEDMatch and to my surprise, there are matches as near as 3rd to 4th cousins. Now, that's a real problem because, the matches are to a DNA sample older than 12500 years. This is practically impossible and very mysterious.[/img] I will investigate step-by-step and see what are all the possibilities and failure points, which could solve the problem. But before that, we need to be absolutely sure that these matches are indeed valid. From the matches, I requested for phased kit and I indeed got one - Thanks to Mario Diaz and Veronica.


See: http://www.fi.id.au/search/label/Anzick



He added that
quote:


Clearly, an IBD segment of 5 cM above 500 SNPs with total IBD segments around 10+ cM cannot be 12500 years old. This is a fact and can be verified using known relationships in families and DNA companies are using these benchmarks all along for showing genetic matches. This fact is more than enough to conclude that the Clovis-Anzick-1 sample is not actually ancient. My best guess is, the infant boy's sample is just from the last century and it was wrongly labeled as 12500 years old or the sample got contaminated.


See: http://www.fi.id.au/search/label/Anzick

As you can see the DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.

As a result, there is no need to redo my video, overtime my Fuegian-Khoisan matches may be proven correct.
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
[qb]
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

In relation to the issue of M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan, I tried to use Y-STR loci, to determine the presence of M174 among and within (the Fuegian skeletons) and the Khoisan population. After, making this claim I reframed from attempting this procedure again, since I do not work in a laboratory . Now in doing my articles I try to use only published mtDNA and YDNA results to support my hypotheses.


You made a hypothesis Khosians and Fuegians carry M174

Yet you don't say it's a hypothesis in the video. You state it as fact. A hypothesis is not a fact

Clyde please remove or edit this video on youtube, thank you

No I will not edit the video. I made a hypothesis and I stand by it. You can disagree with it but I will not retract it. Over time I may be proven correct.


Clyde you're lying now you are saying a hypothesis and a fact are the same thing.

We look at the video and you state " The Fuegians and Khoisans carry the M174"
If that were a hypothesis a legitimate scientific article would say "we hypothesize that..."

But when you are talking about M174 you state it as a fact not a hypothesis and David Imhotep even uses this video as a reference. You tricked him too into thinking a hypothesis of yours was a fact.

Does your video say "Over time I may be shown that both the Fuegians and Khoisans carry M174"

NO BRO

There is a whole culture out there of African Americans now saying not just that they are part Native American but they are saying they aren't even African.
And your video is contributing to this.
Here we have one of the most famous rappers in the world saying he's not even black


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quote:

"I'm not African-American at all," Waka says in the video. "My folks is not from Africa. A lot of people in this room's folks ain't from Africa. Might be a couple, but people just don't understand. I asked my grandma, 'Yo grandma, what's your background?' She said 'Red foot and black tail Indian.' I said, 'What?' She said, 'Yeah.' My mother and my father, we 100% Indians.' I asked my other grandmother, and we got Cherokee in us, and European and Italian. A little Dominican." As the interview continues he adds, "I'm uneducated. I'm confused. But I'm damn sure not Black. You're not gonna call me Black."



This is just one youtube with over 200,000 views and I can show you another with just as many and other articles on it.
He's saying he's not African or black. I might give him an ear but he hasn't even taken a DNA test, just taking grandma too literally

People have taken the I'm part Native American to a new level of denying they are even African and here even "black"
This is the fruit of your unproven statements you made in back in 2008 with its 16K of views and you are not even a famous rapper

Is this your version of success? making up stuff on a national level? This stuff is all over the internet now in many forms, not even mentioning this rapper. Just go on youtube and type "we are not African" and about 5,000 things come up

Clyde see if you can get somebody to contact Waka Flocka. He could make you famous just feed him some more made up stuff, he's hungry
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
[qb]
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

In relation to the issue of M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan, I tried to use Y-STR loci, to determine the presence of M174 among and within (the Fuegian skeletons) and the Khoisan population. After, making this claim I reframed from attempting this procedure again, since I do not work in a laboratory . Now in doing my articles I try to use only published mtDNA and YDNA results to support my hypotheses.


You made a hypothesis Khosians and Fuegians carry M174

Yet you don't say it's a hypothesis in the video. You state it as fact. A hypothesis is not a fact

Clyde please remove or edit this video on youtube, thank you

No I will not edit the video. I made a hypothesis and I stand by it. You can disagree with it but I will not retract it. Over time I may be proven correct.


Clyde you're lying now you are saying a hypothesis and a fact are the same thing.

We look at the video and you state " The Fuegians and Khoisans carry the M174"
If that were a hypothesis a legitimate scientific article would say "we hypothesize that..."

But when you are talking about M174 you state it as a fact not a hypothesis and David Imhotep even uses this video as a reference. You tricked him too into thinking a hypothesis of yours was a fact.

Does your video say "Over time I may be shown that both the Fuegians and Khoisans carry M174"

NO BRO

There is a whole culture out there of African Americans now saying not just that they are part Native American but they are saying they aren't even African.
And your video is contributing to this.
Here we have one of the most famous rappers in the world saying he's not even black


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quote:

"I'm not African-American at all," Waka says in the video. "My folks is not from Africa. A lot of people in this room's folks ain't from Africa. Might be a couple, but people just don't understand. I asked my grandma, 'Yo grandma, what's your background?' She said 'Red foot and black tail Indian.' I said, 'What?' She said, 'Yeah.' My mother and my father, we 100% Indians.' I asked my other grandmother, and we got Cherokee in us, and European and Italian. A little Dominican." As the interview continues he adds, "I'm uneducated. I'm confused. But I'm damn sure not Black. You're not gonna call me Black."



This is just one youtube with over 200,000 views and I can show you another with just as many and other articles on it.
He's saying he's not African or black. I might give him an ear but he hasn't even taken a DNA test, just taking grandma too literally

People have taken the I'm part Native American to a new level of denying they are even African and here even "black"
This is the fruit of your unproven statements you made in back in 2008 with its 16K of views and you are not even a famous rapper

Is this your version of success? making up stuff on a national level? This stuff is all over the internet now in many forms, not even mentioning this rapper.

Clyde see if you can get somebody to contact Waka Flocka. He could make you famous just feed him some more made up stuff, he's hungry

I am not saying my hypothesis about Y-DNA D-M174 is a fact. A hypothesis can be confirmed or disconfirmed. That means that you have a right to disagree with my hypothesis.

I also have Native American ancestry: Choctaw. My wife's Grandfather on her father's side was Cherokee and her grandmother Blackfeet. Her Greatgrandmother on her mother's side only spoke "Indian".

But I also recognize that Black Native American (BNA) and African slaves (AS) mated on the plantation so I see nothing wrong with claiming indigenous ancestry. this is why I make it clear black people have a tripartite origin: BNA+AS+ Black European=Afro-American. See my recent video
Who are the Afro-Americans.Click on photo. Make sure to begin the tape at the beginning

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
I am not saying my hypothesis about Y-DNA D-M174 is a fact.

Yes you are right here:


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^ here you said:

"The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"

That is stating something as if it is a proven fact

When scientific articles state a hypothesis they say

" We (or I) hypothesize Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"

That means it may not be proven but we are guessing it might likely be true. That is why we have the word hypothesis or theory because as you said " Over time I may be proven correct."

"may be correct" is not certain but you present the statement with certainty.

You keep saying you are stating a hypothesis but you are not stating anything in the video to indicate the statement is a hypothesis. You are instead stating it as if it were a fact.


Stating a hypothesis is when you say you are hypothesizing or theorizing. In the video you did not state that, so please don't try to play dumb
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
I am not saying my hypothesis about Y-DNA D-M174 is a fact.

Yes you are right here:


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^ here you said:

"The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"

That is stating something as if it is a proven fact

When scientific articles state a hypothesis they say

" We (or I) hypothesize Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"

That means it may not be proven but we are guessing it might likely be true. That is why we have the word hypothesis or theory because as you said " Over time I may be proven correct."

"may be correct" is not certain but you present the statement with certainty.

You keep saying you are stating a hypothesis but you are not stating anything in the video to indicate the statement is a hypothesis. You are instead stating it as if it were a fact.


Stating a hypothesis is when you say you are hypothesizing or theorizing. In the video you did not state that, so please don't try to play dumb

Stop playing dumb. Evolution is taught everyday as a fact. These people are teaching in Schools and College the "Theory of Evolution", as if it is a fact. A theory is a hypothesis.

.

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

These people are teaching in Schools and College the "Theory of Evolution", as if it is a fact. A theory is a hypothesis.

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Now you have it right Clyde. The are teaching what they call "Theory of Evolution" but you are not teaching " The theory that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"
You say "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"
and don't have the word theory or hypothesis in the sentence
But much more importantly if the Europeans were not not teach something properly that is not an excuse for you to do it.
As an Afrocentric you should not be doing something wrong they are doing you should do things the right way by not informing your viewers "Over time I may be proven correct."

So please edit the video to say
" I theorize that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"

thank you
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

These people are teaching in Schools and College the "Theory of Evolution", as if it is a fact. A theory is a hypothesis.

.


Now you have it right Clyde. The are teaching what they call "Theory of Evolution" but you are not teaching " The theory that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"
You say "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"
and don't have the word theory or hypothesis in the sentence
But much more importantly if the Europeans were not not teach something properly that is not an excuse for you to do it.
As an Afrocentric you should not be doing something wrong they are doing you should do things the right way by not informing your viewers "Over time I may be proven correct."

So please edit the video to say
" I theorize that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"

thank you

Stop making stuff up. I taught Elementary and High School Science for over 20 years. You just teach Evolution. It is never stayed in the science book this is a theory.
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

These people are teaching in Schools and College the "Theory of Evolution", as if it is a fact. A theory is a hypothesis.

.


Now you have it right Clyde. The are teaching what they call "Theory of Evolution" but you are not teaching " The theory that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"
You say "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"
and don't have the word theory or hypothesis in the sentence
But much more importantly if the Europeans were not not teach something properly that is not an excuse for you to do it.
As an Afrocentric you should not be doing something wrong they are doing you should do things the right way by not informing your viewers "Over time I may be proven correct."

So please edit the video to say
" I theorize that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"

thank you

Stop making stuff up. I taught Elementary and High School Science for over 20 years. You just teach Evolution. It is never stayed in the science book this is a theory.
But much more importantly if the Europeans are not not teaching something properly that is not an excuse for you to do it.
As an Afrocentric you should not be doing something Eurocentric way you should do things the right way by informing your viewers stating you are proposing a theory or hypothesis and "Over time I may be proven correct."

So please edit the video to say
" I theorize that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"

thank you
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

These people are teaching in Schools and College the "Theory of Evolution", as if it is a fact. A theory is a hypothesis.

.


Now you have it right Clyde. The are teaching what they call "Theory of Evolution" but you are not teaching " The theory that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"
You say "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"
and don't have the word theory or hypothesis in the sentence
But much more importantly if the Europeans were not not teach something properly that is not an excuse for you to do it.
As an Afrocentric you should not be doing something wrong they are doing you should do things the right way by not informing your viewers "Over time I may be proven correct."

So please edit the video to say
" I theorize that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"

thank you

Stop making stuff up. I taught Elementary and High School Science for over 20 years. You just teach Evolution. It is never stayed in the science book this is a theory.
But much more importantly if the Europeans are not not teaching something properly that is not an excuse for you to do it.
As an Afrocentric you should not be doing something Eurocentric way you should do things the right way by informing your viewers stating you are proposing a theory or hypothesis and "Over time I may be proven correct."

So please edit the video to say
" I theorize that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"

thank you

No I will not edit the video. I made a hypothesis and I stand by it. You can disagree with it but I will not retract it. Over time I may be proven correct.

Researchers apply whatever haplogroup they which to aDNA because of the association of genes to various haplogroups.

Looking at ancient DNA to determine ancient population origins can be misleading. Let’s look at dna of Ust-ishim and Clovis-Anzick man as it compares to modern populations.


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Although it is clear that Ust-ishim was T2b3, the popular press claims he belonged to the haplogroup U clade. Look at the cousins of Ust-ishim it is these modern people who belong to the U clade that are his cousins. See: http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/ust-ishim-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html


Look at the Clovis-Anzick DNA matches to modern people.

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If you look closely you can see how they match many Non-Native Americans. See http://www.fi.id.au/2014/09/clovis-anzick-1-dna-match-living-people.html


What does this mean? It means that researchers may only be giving us results that match their expectations of how the data should look.

IN relation to Anzick man Felix Immanuel noted that:

quote:


Just a quick recap, I processed the raw data for Clovis-Anzick-1 and uploaded into GEDMatch and to my surprise, there are matches as near as 3rd to 4th cousins. Now, that's a real problem because, the matches are to a DNA sample older than 12500 years. This is practically impossible and very mysterious.[/img] I will investigate step-by-step and see what are all the possibilities and failure points, which could solve the problem. But before that, we need to be absolutely sure that these matches are indeed valid. From the matches, I requested for phased kit and I indeed got one - Thanks to Mario Diaz and Veronica.


See: http://www.fi.id.au/search/label/Anzick



He added that
quote:


Clearly, an IBD segment of 5 cM above 500 SNPs with total IBD segments around 10+ cM cannot be 12500 years old. This is a fact and can be verified using known relationships in families and DNA companies are using these benchmarks all along for showing genetic matches. This fact is more than enough to conclude that the Clovis-Anzick-1 sample is not actually ancient. My best guess is, the infant boy's sample is just from the last century and it was wrongly labeled as 12500 years old or the sample got contaminated.


See: http://www.fi.id.au/search/label/Anzick

As you can see the DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.

As a result, there is no need to redo my video, overtime my Fuegian-Khoisan matches may be proven correct.
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.


That buries you even more.

First you claim "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" with no testing that show that result.

Then you say if you actually had genetic tests that showed Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene that DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.

You just shot yourself in the foot

twice
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.


That buries you even more.

First you claim "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" with no testing that show that result.

Then you say is you actually had genetic tests that showed Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene that DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.

You just shot yourself in the foot

twice

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DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
Funny how Clyde says "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" and he doesn't even know if it's true

So don'y listen to people who promise to free you with the truth and sell you something they don't know the ingredients of
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Funny how Clyde says "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" and he doesn't even know if it's true

So don'y listen to people who promise to free you with the truth and sell you something they don't know the ingredients of

I agree you can begin by covering your eyes and ears and not listening to this Euronut.

To Euronuts like lioness, Its alright for Euronuts to publish genetic data on admixed populations, based on results where the African genes were "masked out", i.e., kept deliberately out of a study to make sure we don't know what the frequency of African genes carried by Native Americans and Eurasians actually are.

No one knows the truth about everything, especially when we depend on data supplied by others which were the STRs of 400 year old Fuegian skeletons and Khoisan Y-DNA that led to my inference that Fuegians and Khoisan carry D-M174.

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I will reiterate DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.
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Posted by Linda Fahr (Member # 21979) on :
 
Actually, New excavations in Brazil, found that people from West Africa were the first humans to arrived in the America Continent 54 thousands of years ago, landed and settled by the Atlantic Ocean Coast in Northeast of Brazil, a region called "Serra da Capivara" located in the Brazilian State called Piaui. Before, in accordance to Europeans theories, the first humans which arrived in America were Eastern Asians, by crossing the Bering Strait.
New excavations in Brazil proved otherwise.

The first Africans arrived in Brazil by crossing the Atlantic Ocean by "boat". Many African migrations to Brazil followed every few thousands and few hundred of years, from Africa and from Africans descents of out of Africa Homo Sapiens in South Asia.

One particular very ancient African Migration to Brazil was from a West African people from South of Chad, called Kameeni, which plated their lips. In Brazil they are called "Aymore". The history of Kameeni people is very sad. The ones which stayed in Chad and Sudan, were hunted by the Arabs to be sold as slaves. The ones that migrated to Brazil thousands of years ago, died massively contaminated with Europeans invaders disease "smallpox". The ones which survived smallpox contamination, were exterminated by Europeans colonizers, because they were living in the region which contained large reserves of minerals, such as gold, silver and diamonds. Today only few hundreds of them still alive living in isolation. They were also forced to interbreed with light skinned mongols also migrants to Brazil about 2 thousand years ago. Today they have a very dark skin, straight hair and mongoloid eyes, and of course, after interbreed with mongoloids, they became vulnerable to many European diseases.

Many other migrations after the first from West Africa occurred in Brazil. African Homo Sapiens migrants do South Asia, also arrived in Brazil 22 thousands years ago. Many of those first Africans which arrived in Brazil first, were brutally attacked and killed by waves of light skinned Mongoloids from North East China, and Korea which arrived in Brazil in later dates. The only African survivors were the ones which interbreed with them, creating a new ethnic groups with dark skin, straight hair and mongoloid eyes. They have many different tribal names, and are living in diverse regions in Brazil. I am sure you heard about Lusia. She was member of an African South Asian, which arrive in Brazil 12 years ago. Her people was also brutally attacked and killed by later arrival of light skinned mongoloids from North East of China.

Another very important West African migration to America - Central America, was during Assyrian invasion of Egypt. As they arrived in Central America, they joined the Mayans, already settled in Central America, particular in Vera Cruz - Mexico. From Vera Cruz,some Assyrians and Kushites migrated to Ecuador, small country in Central America, where they left many sculptures of themselves. Then, they settled in Bolivia, where they built the Akapana pyramid, the Temple of Kalasasaya in Tiawanaku. Today the people living in the region is called Aymara. They did not built the Temple nor the pyramid. They arrived after the city was abandoned by Assyrians and Kushites after a massive earthquake.
 
Posted by Linda Fahr (Member # 21979) on :
 
Actually, New excavations in Brazil, found that people from West Africa were the first humans to arrived in the America Continent 54 thousands of years ago, landed and settled by the Atlantic Ocean Coast in Northeast of Brazil, a region called "Serra da Capivara" located in the Brazilian State called Piaui. Before, in accordance to Europeans theories, the first humans which arrived in America were Eastern Asians, by crossing the Bering Strait.
New excavations in Brazil proved otherwise.

The first Africans arrived in Brazil by crossing the Atlantic Ocean by "boat". Many African migrations to Brazil followed every few thousands and few hundred of years, from Africa and from Africans descents of out of Africa Homo Sapiens in South Asia.

One particular very ancient African Migration to Brazil was from a West African people from South of Chad, called Kameeni, which plated their lips. In Brazil they are called "Aymore". The history of Kameeni people is very sad. The ones which stayed in Chad and Sudan, were hunted by the Arabs to be sold as slaves. The ones that migrated to Brazil thousands of years ago, died massively contaminated with Europeans invaders disease "smallpox". The ones which survived smallpox contamination, were exterminated by Europeans colonizers, because they were living in the region which contained large reserves of minerals, such as gold, silver and diamonds. Today only few hundreds of them still alive living in isolation. They were also forced to interbreed with light skinned mongols also migrants to Brazil about 2 thousand years ago. Today they have a very dark skin, straight hair and mongoloid eyes, and of course, after interbreed with mongoloids, they became vulnerable to many European diseases.

Many other migrations after the first from West Africa occurred in Brazil. African Homo Sapiens migrants do South Asia, also arrived in Brazil 22 thousands years ago. Many of those first Africans which arrived in Brazil first, were brutally attacked and killed by waves of light skinned Mongoloids from North East China, and Korea which arrived in Brazil in later dates. The only African survivors were the ones which interbreed with them, creating a new ethnic groups with dark skin, straight hair and mongoloid eyes. They have many different tribal names, and are living in diverse regions in Brazil. I am sure you heard about Lusia. She was member of an African South Asian, which arrive in Brazil 12 thousand years ago. Her people was also brutally attacked and killed by later arrival of light skinned mongoloids from North East of China.

Another very important West African migration to America - Central America, was during Assyrian invasion of Egypt. As they arrived in Central America, they joined the Mayans, already settled in Central America, particular in Vera Cruz - Mexico. From Vera Cruz,some Assyrians and Kushites migrated to Ecuador, small country in Central America, where they left many sculptures of themselves. Then, they settled in Bolivia, where they built the Akapana pyramid, the Temple of Kalasasaya in Tiawanaku. Today the people living in the region is called Aymara. They did not built the Temple nor the pyramid. They arrived after the city was abandoned by Assyrians and Kushites after a massive earthquake.
 
Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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In relation to the issue of M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan, I tried to use Y-STR loci, to determine the presence of M174 among and within (the Fuegian skeletons) and the Khoisan population.

This is already bogus because you dont understand the science behind what you are writing.
The markers that you think tie Americans and Khoisan together are just that A GENERIC LIST OF STR MARKERS found in every Y-Chromosome. What actually matters is the Number of Repeats on each marker.

Again I give the analogy of an address. Generally every residential US address will contain a "City" "Zip Code" and "Street Name" - That doesn't tie them all together dumbass, the actual VALUES of those variables tell you were the person is located.

Clyde give up the charade. You are a white person in black face, Afrocentric counter intelligence because nobody would knowingly create and publish some of the nonsense that you do, putting such a stain on the Afrocentric community.
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Linda Fahr:
Actually, New excavations in Brazil, found that people from West Africa were the first humans to arrived in the America Continent 54 thousands of years ago, landed and settled by the Atlantic Ocean Coast in Northeast of Brazil, a region called "Serra da Capivara" located in the Brazilian State called Piaui. Before, in accordance to Europeans theories, the first humans which arrived in America were Eastern Asians, by crossing the Bering Strait.
New excavations in Brazil proved otherwise.

The first Africans arrived in Brazil by crossing the Atlantic Ocean by "boat". Many African migrations to Brazil followed every few thousands and few hundred of years, from Africa and from Africans descents of out of Africa Homo Sapiens in South Asia.

One particular very ancient African Migration to Brazil was from a West African people from South of Chad, called Kameeni, which plated their lips. In Brazil they are called "Aymore". The history of Kameeni people is very sad. The ones which stayed in Chad and Sudan, were hunted by the Arabs to be sold as slaves. The ones that migrated to Brazil thousands of years ago, died massively contaminated with Europeans invaders disease "smallpox". The ones which survived smallpox contamination, were exterminated by Europeans colonizers, because they were living in the region which contained large reserves of minerals, such as gold, silver and diamonds. Today only few hundreds of them still alive living in isolation. They were also forced to interbreed with light skinned mongols also migrants to Brazil about 2 thousand years ago. Today they have a very dark skin, straight hair and mongoloid eyes, and of course, after interbreed with mongoloids, they became vulnerable to many European diseases.

Many other migrations after the first from West Africa occurred in Brazil. African Homo Sapiens migrants do South Asia, also arrived in Brazil 22 thousands years ago. Many of those first Africans which arrived in Brazil first, were brutally attacked and killed by waves of light skinned Mongoloids from North East China, and Korea which arrived in Brazil in later dates. The only African survivors were the ones which interbreed with them, creating a new ethnic groups with dark skin, straight hair and mongoloid eyes. They have many different tribal names, and are living in diverse regions in Brazil. I am sure you heard about Lusia. She was member of an African South Asian, which arrive in Brazil 12 thousand years ago. Her people was also brutally attacked and killed by later arrival of light skinned mongoloids from North East of China.

Another very important West African migration to America - Central America, was during Assyrian invasion of Egypt. As they arrived in Central America, they joined the Mayans, already settled in Central America, particular in Vera Cruz - Mexico. From Vera Cruz,some Assyrians and Kushites migrated to Ecuador, small country in Central America, where they left many sculptures of themselves. Then, they settled in Bolivia, where they built the Akapana pyramid, the Temple of Kalasasaya in Tiawanaku. Today the people living in the region is called Aymara. They did not built the Temple nor the pyramid. They arrived after the city was abandoned by Assyrians and Kushites after a massive earthquake.

What are your sources?

The research indicates that Africans came to Brazil 100,000 years ago.

If you would see the New York Times video you would noted that Dr.Nieda Guidon supports her dating of human population in Brazil 100,000 years ago to ancient fire and tool making.
Look at the New York Times video: Human’s First Appearance in the Americas @:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/world/americas/discoveries-challenge-beliefs-on-humans-arrival-in-the-americas.html?hp&_r=4


If you view the video you will see that human occupation of Brazil 100,000 years ago is supported by man made fire, e.g., the charcoal, and tools.

Dr. Guidon who conducted excavation at the site notes at 2:09 the site is 100,000 years old. At 3:17 in the video scientists proved that the tools are the result of human craftsmanship . You reject this evidence because it proves that Blacks were here before the mongoloids.


But there is no archaeological (skeletal) evidence of Mongoloid people in the Americas until 6000 years ago. Moreover, Mongoloids did not achieve rule in China until 1000 BC. Up to 1000 BC, the major empires of China were ruled by Blacks.

I do not know about Assyrians in South America, but the Sumerians had a colony in South America called Kuga-ki here Sumerians mined valuable metals. The Sumerians left inscriptions from Ecuador to Antarctica.

You are right there were many African Empires in ancient America see my book:
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
I am an Afrocentric researcher. I have never depended on Eurocentrists and brainwashed Blacks to support my work. I have been publishing my articles on the genetics of Blacks in peer reviewed journals since 2010.

The only researcher attacking my work has been Bernard Ortiz de Montellano. Bernardo has had numerous peer reviewed articles published in varied journals, but, he could only self-publish his attack on my work at Academia edu. If Bernardo would have written a proper article criticizing my work, it would have been published in a peer reviewed journal instead of at Academia edu.

I invite the jealous Brainwashed Blacks here to publish an article attacking my research publications listed below, in a peer reviewed journal.


There are many Brainwashed people on Egyptsearch today, that have never published a single research article in their life. But they attempt to attack my work, yet they can not show where the material in my research articles is invalid.

These Black people believe everything written by any white researcher as valid and reliable and attack my work because it is not sanctioned by the Academy.They represent the latest version of Blacks who attack Afrocentrism because they are too cowardly to do research.

Instead of attacking my work. Why don't these Brainwashed Blacks cite the research articles they have written on Afro-American Phylogeography.


My research articles provide archaeological and genetic data proving Blacks were in America before the Mongoloids. As a result, anyone who claims I am wrong, should find counter evidence that falsify my evidence. In science you test hypotheses, not non-verifiable statements.

I have written books and articles on Black Native America and the haplogroups they carry.

Winters,C. (2015). THE PALEOAMERICANS CAME FROM AFRICA,jirr.htm2015 Vol. 3 (3) July-September, pp.71-83/Winter. https://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA

Winters,C. (2015). A PROTOCOL TO EVALUATE POPULATION GENETICS PAPERS. Available at Cibtech Journal of Bio-Protocols , 4 (1):1-7. http://www.cibtech.org/J-Bio-Protocols/PUBLICATIONS/2015/Vol-4-No-1/01-CJBP-001-WINTERS-PROTOCOL-PAPERS.pdf

Winters,C. (2015). AFRICAN ORIGIN OF NATIVE AMERICAN R1-M173. International Journal of Innovative Research and Review , 3 (1):21-29. http://www.cibtech.org/J-Innovative-Research-Review/Publications/2015/Vol-3-No-1/04-JIRR-004-CLYDE-AFRICAN.pdf

Winters, C. (2014). Were the First Europeans Pale or Dark Skinned? Advances in Anthropology, 4,124-132. http://dx.doi.org/10.4236/aa.2014.43016

_________HLA-B*35 IN MEXICAN AMERINDIANS AND AFRICAN , https://www.academia.edu/11789004/HLA-B_35_IN_MEXICAN_AMERINDIANS_AND_AFRICAN_POPULATIONS

___________Inference of Ancient Black Mexican Tribes and DNA, http://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/4856

____________Who were the Mound Builders, https://www.academia.edu/11788622/WHO_WERE_THE_MOUND_BUILDERS_IN_THE_UNITED_STATES

______________African and Dravidian Origins of the Melenesians, https://www.academia.edu/10306654/AFRICAN_AND_DRAVIDIAN_ORIGINS_OF_THE_MELANESIANS

_______________. AFRICAN ORIGINS PALEOAMERICAN DNA . https://www.academia.edu/12231300/AFRICAN_ORIGINS_PALEOAMERICAN_DNA

________________. THE PALEOAMERICANS CAME FROM AFRICA. https://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA

Winters,C. (2011). Is Native American R Y-Chromosome of African Origin?. Cur Res J Bio Scien, 3(6): 555-558. Retrieved 3/16/2015 at : http://www.academia.edu/1898582/Is_Native_American_R_Y-Chromosome_of_African_Origin

Winters, C. (211a).POSSIBLE AFRICAN ORIGIN OF Y-CHROMOSOME R1-M173. https://www.academia.edu/1898548/Possible_African_Origin_of_Y-Chromosome_R1_-M173

Winters, C. (2010). The Kushite Spread of Haplogroup R1*-M173 from Africa to Eurasia. http://www.maxwellsci.com/print/crjbs/v2-294-299.pdf

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Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :
 
I debunked whole swathes of your bullshit Years ago
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=005796

"Topic: Is Native American R Y-Chromosome of African Origin?"
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
On academia,edu

Academia.edu does not "publish" papers in the senses of providing peer review and/or making them available in a recognized venue with a history of publication on a topic. People can POST papers to Academia.edu, whether or not they have been published elsewhere. For a scholar, publication in a peer-review venue should be the first priority, and then making those published papers available for others (e.g., through Academia.edu) is the next priority. Most people avoid posting original research on the internet until they have had a chance to publish it in a recognized journal or book or internet venue.

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Our view of scientific publishing is that once you have finished writing a paper, you should post it immediately on the internet. Peer review should be done post-publication, and it should be done by the community, Reddit-style

-- Richard Price,
academia.edu’s founder and CEO

If you will notice all Clyde's links in his last post are on academia.edu

They allow you to post, and have a not yet instituted peer review afterwards

These papers Clyde posts on academia.edu would be able to make it into scientific journals that do a peer review first to see if the research methods meet scientific standards

For instance if you say "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" and have zero DNA testing indicating that your paper is not going to get published.

However if you said " We hypothesize the Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" it would be acceptable

But Clyde won't revise his statement on the video because he's trying to trick people into thinking there are DNA testing results that show Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene.

This is why Clyde Winters research cannot be trusted.
 
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
 
Genetic legacy of the Paleolithic black Asians

The migration history of haplogroup D-M174 is most mysterious. By now, we have known little about the origin and dispersal of this haplogroup. This haplogroup was derived from African haplogroup DE-M1 (YAP insertion) and is associated with a short black Asian physical style. Haplogroups E and D are brother haplogroups. While haplogroup E was carried westwards to Africa by the tall black people, haplogroup D might have been carried eastwards to East Asia by the short black people (Figure 3).

Haplogroup D-M174 has high frequencies in the Andaman Negritos, the northern Tibeto-Burman populations and the Ainu of Japan, and also appears at low frequencies in other East and Southeast Asian and Central Asian populations (Figure 1) [20,22,30,31]. A northern Tibeto-Burman population, the Baima-Dee, comprises nearly 100% of haplogroup D. There are three main subclades of haplogroup D, that is, D1-M15, D2-M55 and D3-P99, and many unclassified minor sub-haplogroups. Haplogroup D1-M15 is prevalent in the Tibetans, Tangut-Chiang and Lolo, and is also found at very low frequencies among the mainland East Asian populations [32,33]. Haplogroup D2-M55 is restricted to various populations of the Japanese Archipelago. Haplogroup D3-P99 is found at high frequencies among Tibetans and several Tibeto-Burman minorities in Sichuan and Yunnan provinces that reside in close proximity to the Tibetans, such as Pumi and Naxi [32]. The paragroup D* is restricted to the Andaman Islands [31], which has been isolated for at least 20 thousand years. Some other minor haplogroups, also included in D*, can be found around Tibet. Most of the populations with haplogroup D have very dark skin color, including the Andamanese, some of the Tibeto-Burman and Mon-Khmer people. The Ainu people may have developed pale skin to absorb more ultraviolet light in high latitude regions.

For the origin of haplogroup D, Chandrasekar et al. suggested that the CT-M168 gave rise to the YAP insertion and D-M174 mutation in South Asia based on their findings of the YAP insertion in northeast Indian tribes and the D-M174 in Andaman islanders [34]. In that case, haplogroup E with YAP insertion might also have an Asian origin. However, this hypothesis is seldom supported by any evidence. If haplogroup D originated in Africa, it is most mysterious how it has traveled through the populations with haplogroups CF to East Asia.

Another mystery is how haplogroup D has migrated from southwestern East Asia all the way to Japan. It could have gone either through mainland East Asia or through Sundaland (Figure 2B). The mainland route seems to be shorter than the Sundaland route. Shi et al. proposed that the northward expansion of D-M174 to western China might predate the migrations of other major East Asian lineages at about 60 thousand years ago using the ASD time estimation method with an average Y-STR evoltionary mutation rate of 0.00069 per locus per 25 years. Subsequently, these frontier populations could have traveled eastward through a northern route via Korea or through a southern route via Taiwan and a Ryukyu land bridge to Japan, where they might have met the earlier Australian style settlers. The current relic D-M174 in East Asia was probably edged out of eastern China by the later northward migration of haplogroup O and the Neolithic expansion of Han Chinese [32]. However, there has never been any evidence from genetics or archaeology that haplogroup D2 or Negritos have migrated to eastern China. In contrast, there are still many Negrito populations in Sundaland from Malaya to the Philippines. It was possible that Negritos occupied the whole of Sundaland in the late Paleolithic Age. Therefore, these populations might move directly from the Philippines to Taiwan and Ryukyu. The only problem is that no haplogroup D has been found in the Negritos in the Philippines. Their paternal lineages might have been replaced by the expansion of haplogroups C2 and K from Papua around 18 thousand years ago using the BATWING time estimation method [35] or a more recent migration of haplogroup O from mainland East Asia [36]. However, due to the lack of data, the history of haplogroup D, as a genetic legacy of the Paleolithic Age in East Asia, remains a mystery.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3687582/
 
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
On academia,edu

Academia.edu does not "publish" papers in the senses of providing peer review and/or making them available in a recognized venue with a history of publication on a topic. People can POST papers to Academia.edu, whether or not they have been published elsewhere. For a scholar, publication in a peer-review venue should be the first priority, and then making those published papers available for others (e.g., through Academia.edu) is the next priority. Most people avoid posting original research on the internet until they have had a chance to publish it in a recognized journal or book or internet venue.

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quote:


Our view of scientific publishing is that once you have finished writing a paper, you should post it immediately on the internet. Peer review should be done post-publication, and it should be done by the community, Reddit-style

-- Richard Price,
academia.edu’s founder and CEO

If you will notice all Clyde's links in his last post are on academia.edu

They allow you to post, and have a not yet instituted peer review afterwards

These papers Clyde posts on academia.edu would be able to make it into scientific journals that do a peer review first to see if the research methods meet scientific standards

For instance if you say "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" and have zero DNA testing indicating that your paper is not going to get published.

However if you said " We hypothesize the Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" it would be acceptable

But Clyde won't revise his statement on the video because he's trying to trick people into thinking there are DNA testing results that show Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene.

This is why Clyde Winters research cannot be trusted.

Stupid Euronut. My articles at Academia Edu, were published in peer reviewed journals listed on the papers. They were just added to my published work already at Academia Edu. Bernardo's paper was never published in a research journal.

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In addition, no one at ES has debunked any of my research papers. To falsify a research paper you have to cite research that disputes the findings and results in a research paper. This has not been done. If anyone had falsified my research I am sure they should have found a publisher for their work.

If anyone here debunked my work they should be able to cite their published work. Put up , or shut up.

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