The King wears the white crown of Upper Egypt, with a protective cobra emblem, representing the goddess Wadjyt. A long flaring beard has broken away. The hands are in a position of devotion. For stylistic reasons, the identity of this king seems certain, but his name on the belt was erased, when the statue was usurped. King Ramesses II put cartouches with his names (both on the belt and shoulders) and his son, Merenptah, added a pair on the chest. 18th Dynasty, reign of Thutmose III, circa 1479-1425 BCE. From the temple of Amun-ra at Thebes, Karnak, Egypt. (The British Museum, London).
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David Miano @DrDavidMiano · Jul 15, 2020 GRANITE STATUE OF THUTMOSE III. This beautiful work of art from ancient egypt and found at the temple of Amun at Karnak was so prized, it was used by three different pharaohs.
David Miano @DrDavidMiano The inscription on the chest contains two cartouches of Merneptah. On the belt and shoulders are cartouches of his father Ramesses II. But an original cartouche was erased (by Ramesses) on the belt, and although we can't read it, the style of the statue indicates its owner.
This is none other than Thutmose III (15th century BCE). The king wears the crown of Upper Egypt with a protective cobra emblem (Wadjyt). A long beard has broken off. His hands are in a pose of devotion. The statue can be seen at the British Museum.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
@the lioness, thanks for all the information.
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you're welcome you might want to save some of the photos. Some are hard to find> the color version of Merneptah, also the Thutmose Cairo Museum pic with two views and the red granite head as a detail from a larger photo. I was thinking that if this red granite sculpture was originally Thutmose but later adopted by Rameses and then his son Merneptah who each had their names inscribed, a sculptor working for one of these kings could have made minor adjustments to the face also but that is just a possibility. Some sites will say this is a statue of Thutmose. My view is that who it originally was is uncertain and the hieroglyphs do not resolve the issue
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@Lioness I wonder if Thutmose III inscribed his name on some Hatshepsut statuary.
Some of Thutmose III sculptures really remind me of Hatshepsuts stylization/idealization portraits.
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^^ yes, similar looking facial features
to really get a good sense of a sculpture you need to look at more than one position
The front and side view of the face each reveal things one view alone does not
the 3/4 view is somewhat of a compromise of both but the more angles the better
There is also Thutmose II to consider but I don't know of and sculptures just a relief
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Hatshepsut Hatshepsut, the elder daughter of the 18th-dynasty king Thutmose I and his consort Ahmose, was married to her half brother Thutmose II, son of the lady Mutnofret. Since three of Mutnofret’s older sons had died prematurely, Thutmose II inherited his father’s throne about 1492 BCE, with Hatshepsut as his consort. Hatshepsut bore one daughter, Neferure, but no son. When her husband died about 1479 BCE, the throne passed to his son Thutmose III, born to Isis, a lesser harem queen. As Thutmose III was an infant, Hatshepsut acted as regent for the young king.
For the first few years of her stepson’s reign, Hatshepsut was an entirely conventional regent. But, by the end of his seventh regnal year, she had been crowned king and adopted a full royal titulary (the royal protocol adopted by Egyptian sovereigns). Hatshepsut and Thutmose III were now corulers of Egypt, with Hatshepsut very much the dominant king. Hitherto Hatshepsut had been depicted as a typical queen, with a female body and appropriately feminine garments. But now, after a brief period of experimentation that involved combining a female body with kingly (male) regalia, her formal portraits began to show Hatshepsut with a male body, wearing the traditional regalia of kilt, crown or head-cloth, and false beard. To dismiss this as a serious attempt to pass herself off as a man is to misunderstand Egyptian artistic convention, which showed things not as they were but as they should be. In causing herself to be depicted as a traditional king, Hatshepsut ensured that this is what she would become.
Hatshepsut never explained why she took the throne or how she persuaded Egypt’s elite to accept her new position. However, an essential element of her success was a group of loyal officials, many handpicked, who controlled all the key positions in her government. Most prominent amongst these was Senenmut, overseer of all royal works and tutor to Neferure. Some observers have suggested that Hatshepsut and Senenmut may have been lovers, but there is no evidence to support this claim.
Queen Ahmose, who held the title of Great Royal Wife of Thutmose, was probably the daughter of Ahmose I and the sister of Amenhotep I;[6] however, she was never called "king's daughter," so there is some doubt about this, and some historians believe that she was Thutmose's own sister.
So we see how Hatshepsut has features of the Thutmose family, she daughter of Thutmose I and Thutmose I is grandfather of Thutmose III but Hatshepsut is more closely related to her half brother and husband Thutmose II and she is not mother of Thutmose III
In the above statue which is similar to another one she has more feminine features but others more masculine or ambiguous This is before the later royals of the Amarna also the 18th dynasty but Merneptah only comes in later after them in the 19th, his the last inscription on that red granite statue
