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[QUOTE]Originally posted by egyguy: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by bibo1978: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by egyguy: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by bibo1978: [qb] I am fond of science .. I like it and I like everything about it .. but science for me is how things works .. not how things are and there is a big difference guys .. huge difference .. if one believe science is god .. he had to know that it is not constant and it is not valid .. and it is incomplete .. number theory is not complete .. what is valid is what we are in for me .. and there must be someone whom control all of this in his way .. all I know is that I have to acknowledge him .. [/qb][/QUOTE]I agree with you of course that science of how things come to be/interact/work? It can never reach beyond that to the "profound meaning of things", to the "Why" and "What is the true nature of a thing". That is philosophy. Even modern philosophy have abandoned this quest for there is no answer. It still remains a matter of belief! Basically, you could be a quantum physics scientists who is supposed to believe that "The falling stars are hurled against evil Jins" .... Anyway, the "there must be someone whom control all of this in his way" statement of yours is a clear example of how the human mind works. It's looking for a reason for things. And by a reason I mean not just a pure scientific explanation of how it works, but also how it became to be that way and why. That is philosophy. And that leads you nowhere my friend. For myself, I'm not asking these questions anymore! [/qb][/QUOTE]you basiclly stopped thinking .. why do you want other to stop thinking .. as I have told you .. it is fine to have a brain and not using it .. but .. it is unbelievable to quest others to do the same .. it is just non-sense. for me it is this simple if for every cause a reason .. then there is a god .. "science leads to god" and if every thing is just a random process .. then still for you and me to discuss here and acknowledge our discussion for that it is happening ... this means that some arrangement happen for it and it can't be random .. other wise if you neither believe in both .. that we are talking or that there is some observation in the universe that is repetitive .. simply why do you wanna discuss it ?!! [/qb][/QUOTE]You need to work on your debating manners. I have a 160 IQ. So you might want to throw the "Use your brain" sh1t at someone else. I said it before and will say it again. I know it's hard for most to understand. Our brains (either by custom or construction) is wired to look for reason/"responsible entity" behind any event. Before we came to understand the mechanisms of rain fall, we used to pray for it. This debate can extend into creationism and evolution, big bang theory, chaos theory and so on. However, I really don't wish to go there. Your argument is very simplistic in nature and is no different from an argument that I get of a religious book or an uneducated person. I hope I don't come across as being a snob. What I was really looking for was someone who has been through the same experience and somehow came on the other end a different person with a clear view of where he/she is heading. Enough said. No big deal. God just lost an obedient sole :cool: [/QB][/QUOTE]
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