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[QUOTE]Originally posted by egyguy: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by bibo1978: [qb] mathematics and science itself prove else wise .. mathematics simply says that it doesn't know anything .. Are we living in an ecludian space .. prove it for me .. prove for me that there is homogenity and that there is parallel lines in universe .. are we living in a convex universe prove it to me .. are we living in a homogenous universe prove it to me .. science knows nothing .. that simple .. any equation that is not proved with true life example is just as false as its whole prove .. that's what is called contradiction .. if it is proven that light can travel more than 300,000 km/s .. all of relativistic science will be thrown the next day. Now let me talk about parallel worlds, a parallel universe is an un proven idea brought by mathematics and falisified by mathematics itself .. it is well acknowledged that the universe is rather a one big-bang universe just read the strong censorship hypothesis, other singularities in current space-time coordinates doesn't contribute to a new big bang .. because simply it needs mass to happen .. anyway to be frank there are other thoeries out there that postulate the idea of "multiverses" (multi-universes) but not a parallel worlds!! .. the idea of a parallel word is still there but assuming that the other universes is exactly the same as this one "we living at" is some kind of fiction and mathimatically void .. zero prove for it .. still there might exist multi-universe actually a multi universes can exist within the existing adjacently .. for me simply its how souls interact with universe .. anyway all in all and as I had quoted before our conciousness is only the attachment of us "souls" with the continum space .. the interaction leads "for us humans" to what takes place in space and evolve history .. all of the above ideas simply are rather mathematical hypothesis .. what the universe is, is truely what the universe is .. and mathimatics knows this "very basic idea". Mathematics and physics doesn't define universe it just tries to make an imitatation example for it .. for instance a very basic mathematical argument is valid only by the homogenity or claimed homogenity of universe which can be as simple as (1+1=2) this is valid only in a homogenous universe its not valid in any unhomogenous space unless you are talking about a set of phi including another set of phi .. this idea by itself falisfy almost all of our known mathematics from its basic .. to note that the basic shapes are not existing and no one can prove the existing of plato's world of shapes .. there is one valid truth which is the universe simply can't be outcoming of any mathematical process .. it defines mathematics and propabilities .. how come a propability can define it's owner !!!!!! universe defines how things interacts not maths .. believe it or not how come mathematics can define universe if universe is what makes mathes ? so the universe is there and don't try to make me believe that we dunno nothin .. we know that it is there. otherwise we are simply dreaming, still for this to happen there is two delimma "the word we" and the other delimma of howcome we all in same dream and also we all defined the exact same set of rules for all of us to dream with .. still let me take you to the extereme and assume that this is true, that we are dreaming "which for me is not". Our rules of dreaming must be outcome of something "programming or other" .. if we can't control our world while sober .. we must have been developed by someone to do that "definite rules we are living with" .. all in all there must be a creator for the rules or the universe or whatever .. still in this hypothesis I am stuck with the other delimma which is "we" .. can I define this .. nop .. in way for me in either worlds I can't. Summing up, maths doesn't create what it simply try to define and for me simply the creator for all rules is god and believe it or not I have faith in him more than universe .. for his forgiveness or else there is no need for any goodness in the world ..I know I can't define god in shape or something like this, no one can .. but at the same time for me I can deny his existance it is ridiculus for anyone not to acknowledge God's existance and attribute that to something because he thinks he knows nothin .. "you know where you are" .. finally I know god does exist and may be the difference between me and you is I believe in his goodness and you don't .. or so I think .. may Allah forgive all. Salam [/qb][/QUOTE]I'm sorry. I didn't understand most of what you said. I guess what you're trying to say is that science can describe the universe but it didn't create it. And that there must be an intelligent design behind it? OK. This is again a matter of belief. I just don't believe anymore. I truly don't. That's all. Thanks for the help anyway. And yeah, one more note. To claim that science is good for nothing for it truly doesn't explain all that is to be explained in all depth of meaning??? How absurd? Science never claimed this. But guess what? Science put us on the moon. Sent probes to Mars? and is making you live a better life than the sultans of ancient times - yes you do with your tv/pc/car/jet/air conditioning ... etc. Simply put, science is science. I can re-produce an experiment conducted in Egypt again in China. That's something I can put my faith in. I can touch, smell, see, understand and work with. That aside. I understand that most are horrified by the idea of a Godless world. However, humanity as a whole is maturing/getting smarter. Don't think so? Take a look at a tv show from the sixties and the first thing to come to mind is how naive/stupid/plain it's. So is human evolution. We're learning a great deal everyday. Getting more efficient and may I note "Less attached to God". It's the truth. Everywhere! The fact that most still say "yeah, I believe in God" but live their lives every day in a completely indifferent manner to the idea/concept of the holy continue to amuse me. God has left the building long ago. We just don't want to believe it. Like children, we want to believe! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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