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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Strangeways.: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by weirdkitty: [qb] [QUOTE]Yes, it was very much gods fault- he could have snapped his fingers and made them good, he is meant to be omnipotent (do you want the passages for that too?) but instead he decided to flood the world, and thereby causing everyone (including babies, and animals) a torturous death.[/qb][/QUOTE]He could, but he didn't. How can that be, with God having created it? Is He evil, that He wanted the world to be imperfect, or is He simply not mighty enough to create a perfect world? Let us see what the Bible has to say on this subject. One of the reasons for men’s creation is that we might honour God by praising Him and doing His will - and I am sure the Koran will agree. If I am being praised, or people do my will, does that honour or dishonour me? It honours me. Now suppose I pay someone to praise me, or I force him to do so, would it still be an honourable thing? Or if I had a tape recorder praising me all day, would that be honourable? No. The praise would be devoid of sincerity. So clearly the praise per se is not enough in itself. The one praising must do so from his own free will and inclination. Suppose I built a robot that could only do what I wanted it to do, and it would do my will and praise me, would that honour me? No, it wouldn’t, because it would not be free. So if I want to be honoured by someone doing my will and praising me, I should give this person (or robot, or whatever) the possibility to go against my will, and to refrain from praising me, maybe even to curse me. Along another track, which is better: a person who is free, or one who is not free to choose his own way? in a perfect world, men would be free to choose between good and evil? suppose that for every choice you make, I already decide the outcome. So you may freely decide whether to go to Sévaré or to Douentza, but whichever you chose, I would make you end up in Sévaré. Would that be free? it definitely wouldn’t. So in a perfect world, your choices would have real consequences. In particular, evil choices have evil consequences. Well, then. The Bible teaches that God created a perfect world, inhabited by angels and men who had a free will, and that one of the angels, the devil, chose the evil way. After that, he seduced man into choosing against God as well. That made the devil perfectly evil, since he chose against God without any external cause, whereas man only sinned under the stress of seduction, so he is not fully and purely evil. http://www.answering-islam.org/Intro/discussion.pdf [QUOTE]Originally posted by weirdkitty: [qb] [QUOTE]So children should be blamed for the faults of their parents? That's nuts (and morbid). You can't kill a newborn because their dad is a murderer, or rapist, etc. If a parent locked the kid out of the house, and the kid then got murdered- yes, the parent is partially to blame, but so is the murderer. God here is the murderer. As an omnipotent being, he would have had an unlimited ways to go about making the world better, it doesn't take a genius to think that perhaps a flood was a bit crude, pointless, and plain evil- sounds like just a silly story made up by man, not a godly fact. And if there is a god, and he would do something like that, then my word I would never worship him. [/qb][/QUOTE]I like this illustration to explain original sin because it illustrates that original sin is always there, it’s not something that just “shows up” later. Imagine you’re a farmer picking up rocks in your field and getting rid of them. At first it seems kind of easy, but the more you pick up the more there are to pick up. As you uncover more and more rocks in your field, you find some that are too heavy to pick up or too deeply rooted in the ground. Eventually if you keep digging up rocks and dirt you get to the point where you hit bedrock which you can neither pick up nor get rid of. Likewise, it’s easy to “get rid of” tiny sins, but the more you expel from your life the more there are. Some sins are so deeply rooted you can’t pick them up and throw them away, and eventually you will realize that despite your best efforts, original sin cannot be gotten rid of. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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