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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Grumman: [QB] Kalos wrote: [b]''The Meaning of God's Bringing Evil. "" Rightly, Jehovah brought evil or calamity upon Adam for his disobedience.''[/b] Presumably you are talking about God denying Adam eternal life. If Adam didn't [i]know[/i] calamity how did God explain it to him? What reference point could be shown Adam to make him not sin, other than a simple don't do it. Isn't this the same as telling a kid in your household don't do that, that is, take your hand out of the cookie jar. What understanding did or could Adam have had of death to make him see death as a not so unreasonable approach to running his affairs? He ''sinned'' without too much of self- introspection. Does the fault lie with Adam? Are you certain you know the answer to this one? [b]''So, then, evil is not always synonymous with wrongdoing. Examples of evils or calamities created by Jehovah are the Flood of Noah’s day and the Ten Plagues visited upon Egypt.''[/b] That one has already been addressed above by Weirkitty; quite capably I might add. further: [b]''But these evils were not wrongs. Rather, the rightful administration of justice against wrongdoers was involved in both cases.''[/b] ...punishing everyone for the sins of some is justice? And this is something I should admire in leadership qualities? [b]However, at times Jehovah, in his mercy, has refrained from bringing the intended calamity or evil in execution of his righteous judgment because of the repentance on the part of those concerned.""[/b] More human-like attributes. Judges sitting on benches can show mercy once in awhile I guess. Instead of giving a death sentence make it life in prison. [b]''Either he is omniscient or he isn't. yaaaawnnnn - still waiting for your more reasonable - scripturally based- definition of omniscience than the one I believe in.''[/b] I've already established to my satisfaction God's lack of omniscience. You on the other hand have to come to grips with Christians and others who won't see how you can limit God to a ''yes I am, no I'm not stance.'' [b]''True Omniscience is defined by God surely- not the Oxford pocket Dictionary.''[/b] Actually there are 1,567 pages in my Random House Webster's College Dictionary. So taking God out of the dictionary means you can define for God how you think he can or can't be omniscient; a word that has human meaning? [b]''Book of Job shows Satan had free access to heaven long after Adam and Eve see Job ch 1 & 2''[/b] Yet there was no need to lock up Satan? Curious way of running affairs when you know a troublemaker is in the midst. [b]''If you wish to keep discussing please use Scriptural support /verses more.''[/b] I'm not appealing to your understanding of verse, just common sense and compassion. Compassion not for murderers but those who couldn't get out of the way of God's wrath. [b]''I'm not interested in too many personal opinions of other imperfect/sinful humans.''[/b] And what did you do with your mirror when you saw me coming? You broke it didn't you? Final comment and question for you Kalos. If you have already finished cooking french fries then the grease is very hot isn't it. What if a 2 year old is in the kitchen with you and as kids do they reach for things, in their innocence. Do you tell the kid not to pull on the skillet handle and confidently walk away and assume this is okay or do you make the intelligent move and shove the skillet full of hot grease to the back burner so it can't be reached by that 2 year old? [b]purespring[/b], what did you say? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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