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[QUOTE]Originally posted by katangah: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by ausar: [qb] katangah said: [QUOTE]Not true. If you're an Egyptian, then sure you're familiar with the work of El Raf3i. R u calling him a liar. Ali went into Sudan in 1811/1812 to hunt the renegade Mamaleek. He started conscripting the Sudanese for the army up until 1814/1815 when it was clear that there is no way they would become modern soldiers. This is when they were dispanded and replaced with Egyptian soldiers - falaheen. This is the army that went to Arabia in 1817, Greece 1820s and the Levant in 1830s. The Anglo involvement came at a much later stage after the occupation of Egypt 1872[/QUOTE]Yes, I am familiar with El Raf3i writtings and I respect him as one of the greatest Egyptian thinkers. You must also realize that he was a little biased towards the Egyptians over the Sudanese. Muhammed Ali was not an Egyptian nor considered himself such and I would have not supported his actions to colonize the Sudan. His agenda was the same as the Europeans to exploit Sudan for its natural resources and not to help anybody in the Sudan. My ancestors,being rural Egyptian fallahin,from Upper Egypt by the time of Muhammed Ali were coloninzed and ruled by many foreigners that had little concern for them. I cannot support Egyptian colonization of any part of Sudan. Imperilism is wrong no matter who does it. Especially invading a Muslim country invading another Muslim country. If Egypt colonizes the Sudan the Sudanese will become the external underclasses and it will look like Egyptians are racially opressing the Sudanese. Do you wish to do this? Do you honestly think you can integrate Southern Sudanese into Egyptian society? [/qb][/QUOTE]Every country has minorities and solutions including self autonomy could be accomplished. What we're seeking here is common policies allowing for efficient utilization of resources across the board. Also better ability to face threats in Africa with regard to water. I don't really care about integration into Egyptian society. There are successful cases out there of multicultural societies. Peaceful integration is not an option due to the constant hostile policies of the Sudanese government. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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