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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Grumman: [QB] [b]''The bombings defeated the regimes not the people.''[/b] No argument on that; that's why the war was fought... fast. [b]''If the Germans and Japanese hadn't decided to side with Americans, instead of Russians, then there would have been a protracted insurgency (there was one initially in Germany) just like e see in Afghanistan an even Iraq.''[/b] Is this some of your revised ''what if'' history that an author or two conjures up to sell books. If it is then you're hooked. [b]They don't want your country occupation get that in your uneducated head.''[/b] I agree here on '' no occupation'' so where are you getting this from. Not from my comments you ain't. You are one erratic dude. [b]''The rest of your post is pointless babble because the military don't operate in a vacuum: like WW2 the aim is to defeat a regime you don't like and reshape the country in your interests.''[/b] No, the aim in WWII wasn't to defeat a regime you don't like and shape it to what you see fit. The aim was to defeat hitler's regime and his thugs so people could live in peace in Germany and elsewhere. Show me where Germans had to be re-shaped, according to your thinking, that they wouldn't have done it on their own once hitler and his thugs were out of power. Other than the Marshall Plan giving financial assistance to get that country back on its feet what information can you offer that will say the Germans would still have pursued an aggressive stance, even [b]after[/b] getting their asses thoroughly kicked? [b]''Rubbish, civilian deaths in Afghanistan have not decreased since he took over, besides the "total anti-liberal" Bush before him bombed the hell out of Afghanistan for eight years, mission accomplished?''[/b] So you are saying Obama has the military indiscriminately bomb innocent civilians? I don't believe George Bush did it either, nor the military, as a whole fighting outfit. Civilian deaths are the direct result of faulty intelligence provided by some Taliban and maybe even Al-Qaeda fighters, a lot of whom hide behind their womens' skirt to win a battle. Yet you blame the falling bombs on the Americans. (Yes I know, bombs kill people.) You can't blame the Taliban at all? Not even just a little? I told you that above but you refuse to believe me because you don't know which way to turn to gain the upper hand in this agument. I see you unraveling. And I'm noticing you continue to confuse total war against the taliban or the insurgents in Iraq as total war against the civilian population. Do you think we are still talking about Germany here? I said, [i]Besides the civilian populations ih Hamburg, Dresden and Tokyo were deliberately targeted, not so in Afghanistan and Iraq.[/i] Your response: [b]''WAHAHAHHA If you believe this BS line then no wonder you believe in Jewish holocaust fairly tales. LOL''[/b] In light of what you are confronted with you offer that. Now I don't mind you offering rebuttals, and even other points you may feel relevant to your issue, but it has to stay within context. If you don't know how to do this then we can talk about something else. [b]''Your rubbish argument again. LOL Don't you think US and Co. killed enough women to get those "hiding" under their skirts Grumman? LOL''[/b] I take it you don't see you are in agreement with me in that comment? Damn buoy. :D I said this: [i]''Ask some of the Iraqis who tired of the onslaught by the Sunnis and Al Qaeda.''[/i] You say: [b]''More insane babble. Iraq now is relatively stable because US paid off Sunnis, no analysis points to car bombs as the reason for it.''[/b] ...and the [b]indiscriminate[/b] car-bombing and murders by Al-Qaeda and other Sunnis, in the early stages, had nothing to do with the Sunnis accepting money from the U.S. to help fight the ''others''? Are you serious about yourself. [b]''And herein lays your delusion. Not unusual among ignorant Americans thinking eveyone wants to be like them.''[/b] You should be alerted by now that ''strictly military'' and how it should be used to accomplish something is the issue, not a social ''wannabe'' you suggest. Bogle hasn't yet understood how he still mismanages his comprehension. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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