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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Grumman: [QB] [b]''See now you're reduced to wild straw man because you can't deal with the reality. I certainly never said anything about millions upon millions or that everyone in that country accepted their rule willingly. Where do you even find this scenario in any country anyway?''[/b]] I know you didn't say millions I did, But you said the Taliban [i]are[/i] the people. So here, read the below again from me. [i]''And until you can prove that millions upon millions of Afghans are Taliban then I can't accept you saying the Taliban is welcome on all fronts.[/i] [b]Then again those many millions may be Taliban but don't know it yet. In other words they may be minding their own business and wishing the U.S. and Taliban will leave them alone so they won't have to make a decision.''[/b] On your strawman comment some of your posts throughout have been just that. I didn't call you on them simply because I understood what you were driving at. The problem in using a strawman is when you think you can defeat another argument by using it. I recognized why you did it which was to prove something. I let it go. What I said about the millions is a direct result of how you frame your responses. It can be distracting at times. [b]''They were the Afghans who brought stability to a country destroyed by Soviet and US cold war death dance.''[/b] You are forgetting that after the Soviets pulled out the Northern Alliance and the Taliban couldn't see eye-to-eye. This protracted struggle between the two lasted a few years until the Northern Alliance got beat. Then the Taliban instituted their strict way of running things. [b]''Taliban knew their people and knew how to rule them, and please don't say it was just brute force as US and Co are trying just that right now and are failing miserably.''[/b] The Taliban knew how they wanted to [i]rule[/i] their people plain and simple, with force. The U.S. is trying to defeat the Taliban, maybe, but not the people. [b]''For you to equate the Taliban and the US is worst than simplistic.''[/b] I couldn't agree more. ;) [b]''Take for example post-Taliban Kabul, seat of the US puppet regime, you still see most of the women in burkas and efforts at westernization, through education and culture, has been meet with stiff opposition and violent clashes.''[/b] Do you think the U.S. would tell an Afghan woman to take off her burka because they don't permit them? I don't. Is there any way to know what you mean by ''most women''... eight out ten... six out of ten? Are the violent clashes an epidemic? If they are I wonder why the U.S. doesn't get this message and get out if this be the case. Look at it this way. Some people in Afghanistan like Taliban rule, some don't. [b]''Based on your line of thinking, in the absence of the evil unwanted Taliban, you would think we would see women in miniskirts and men with pants at their waists. And in those remote villages where there are no Taliban, its even more conservative and distrusting of westerners.''[/b] No, none of that will be based on my line of thinking. Cultures are different and you know that as well as me. I'm liberal in some areas, conservative in others. Tough for you to know that isn't it. [b]Face it, that region was too complex for you Americans. But what can we expect from a people who get their geography lessons from their invasions of other peoples countries.''[/b] Well said. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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