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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Grumman: [b]The Explorer[/b]: [QUOTE]''Those hoping *all* troops will be brought home by 2012 are setting themselves up for another duping.''[/QUOTE]That may well be true but his followers will grab at any information that says he will do it. I believe he will get re-elected by a slim margin because the republicans don't have anything going for them either except to say the democrats lie...just like them. And even though I said this earlier: [i]''provided he doesn't renege on his promise to get all the troops home by then.''[/i] this can be refined to mean all combat troops. Something on the order of Iraq where the troops aren't involved in hostile operations unless called upon to help the Iraqis. But...since Obama has many military people telling him don't do it suddenly this is probably the main reason why he wavers. Unrealistically speaking I do believe if the Pentagon would shut their mouths for a change and stop wishing for an idealistic outcome I believe Obama would actually do it all by 2012. [/QUOTE]Think of the political situation in America in terms of this analogy [and this is not specifically targeted you as a person]: Suppose you were being kicked in the rear by two bullies taking turns, i.e. one bully kicks you, and then the next one kicks you; are you just going to endure this to and fro bullying for as long as the bullies can keep it up, or are you going to say to yourself at some point, that enough is enough, and take matters into your own hands to free yourself from the captivity? In other words, are you going to let the bullying take its course indefinitely, or are you likely to intervene and free yourself from it? If the answer is the latter, then it is besides me, why people allow politicians kick them around to their hearts' content. On the Iraq deal: Are you under the impression that the "hostilities" have come to an end? BTW, it was Obama who ordered the surge of troops in Afghanistan in the first place. Is it then reasonable to expect this same person to "voluntarily" want to bring back the troops by 2011? The buck stops with Obama. He has the capacity to make it happen, if he so chooses. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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