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Punos_Rey
Member # 21929
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So it was already confirmed the new AC would be set in AE, now we get a peek at the protagonist from a promotional t shirt provided to gamestop.


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Rumors are he is said to be a slave(possibly an Asiatic?)

But until I see how the rest of AE is depicted I'm going to reserve judgement.
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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Unless they have given the graphics an overhaul since this (possible) screenshot, I'm afraid they're probably sticking with the status quo for the time being.

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BlessedbyHorus
Member # 22000
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Watching E3 and the character is BLACK!!!! HE IS BLACK!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
 
BlessedbyHorus
Member # 22000
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@Punos_Rey and @Truthcentric here is the walkthrough. Like I said the main character is black and he seems to be from Siwa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX0fd4q0baQ

I just hope the rest of the Egyptians are. AC has been trash since II but this game I may pick up only because its Egypt and the mc is black.
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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quote:
Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus:
@Punos_Rey and @Truthcentric here is the walkthrough. Like I said the main character is black and he seems to be from Siwa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX0fd4q0baQ

I just hope the rest of the Egyptians are. AC has been trash since II but this game I may pick up only because its Egypt and the mc is black.

I see what you mean, judging from the E3 walkthrough.

Although looking at some of the screenshots on the official website (e.g. this one), most of the Egyptian NPCs seem rather status-quo if you know what I mean. Unless they plan to change this in a patch or sometime before release.
 
BlessedbyHorus
Member # 22000
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^^^Yeah thats whats worrying me. Is the Egyptians being black only for the people in Siwa?
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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quote:
Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus:
^^^Yeah thats whats worrying me. Is the Egyptians being black only for the people in Siwa?

The screenshot I linked to appears to be set in Siwa though (check the URL). If the MC hadn't claimed Siwa to be his home in the E3 video, I would have suspected he was supposed to be a "Nubian" immigrant.

On the other hand, the game appears to be set in northern Egypt during the late dynastic period (there are classical-era Greeks present as well), so it may not be completely unrealistic for some of the citizens to have lighter skin in this.
 
BlessedbyHorus
Member # 22000
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^At first I too expected him to be a Nubian due to early sources saying he was a Medjay. But just now in walkthrough and new articles, he appears to be from Siwa. But even IF he is not from Siwa, the locals in Siwa(as seen by the walk through) appear to be black.

The screenshot you posted can POSSIBLY be a early showing.

And yeah I would rather it have some settings in Upper Egypt around Luxor. You are right it seems to take place around the Ptolemaic dynastic period. Would have rather the 18th or 19th dynasty period.
 
Punos_Rey
Member # 21929
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Why oh why could they not have followed the lead of Pharaonic???

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Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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Anyway, have people here seen the comments for the E3 video? Half the commentators are flipping out because the protagonist looks "black" to them. And unfortunately this is not the first time I have seen pervasive racism in the gamer community.
 
Punos_Rey
Member # 21929
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^i watched a youtube vid and the commenter was disgusting. One guy seriously believes Bayek is an attempt by guilty whites to give achievement-less black people "revisionist history"

Always nice to see the trash of the gaming community come out in force
 
BlessedbyHorus
Member # 22000
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The gaming community is filled to the bone with racist. Nothing new.
 
BlessedbyHorus
Member # 22000
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Here is longer gameplay footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7kSzTatiNo
 
BlessedbyHorus
Member # 22000
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Additional long gameplay footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3rb0SmlELg

Yep the Greeks are the enemies and they seem to be going with a diversity in phenotypes.
 
Punos_Rey
Member # 21929
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I3rb0SmlELg

From this quest video it really does seem to me that at least the ethnic Egyptians are being given this "dirt brown" color that Ba Yek has. Khenut clearly has the same color as him
 
BlessedbyHorus
Member # 22000
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quote:
Originally posted by Punos_Rey:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I3rb0SmlELg

From this quest video it really does seem to me that at least the ethnic Egyptians are being given this "dirt brown" color that Ba Yek has. Khenut clearly has the same color as him

Yeah. They seem to be playing it "safe" by making them dark but "ambiguous looking."

However, they do sound African if that makes sense.
 
Punos_Rey
Member # 21929
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^I know which people are also complaining about, go figure.
 
BlessedbyHorus
Member # 22000
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quote:
Originally posted by Punos_Rey:
^I know which people are also complaining about, go figure.

Yeah its ridiculous.
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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Have people seen this video showing the character of Ba Yek close up?

Because he looks a bit "ambiguous" to me personally. His skin tone looks like it could be on the borderline between tan and black in some of the screenshots.
 
BlessedbyHorus
Member # 22000
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quote:
Originally posted by Tyrannohotep:
Have people seen this video showing the character of Ba Yek close up?

Because he looks a bit "ambiguous" to me personally. His skin tone looks like it could be on the borderline between tan and black in some of the screenshots.

He looks "Northeast African" Nubian "black" to me. But reading the comments is the reason why as of lately I've been trying to stray away from anything Ancient Egyptian. Especially the discussion on Forumbiodiversity.

Its becoming nauseating. That Mali/Mansa Musa film needs to get made asap.
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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quote:
Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus:
quote:
Originally posted by Tyrannohotep:
Have people seen this video showing the character of Ba Yek close up?

Because he looks a bit "ambiguous" to me personally. His skin tone looks like it could be on the borderline between tan and black in some of the screenshots.

He looks "Northeast African" Nubian "black" to me.
The close-ups of his face do seem like they could be construed as "black" like you say. I guess the lighting of the rendering makes him look paler than he actually is.
 
BlessedbyHorus
Member # 22000
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^^^I don't know in that first E3 playthrough he looked very black and so did the people in Siwa.
 
Elite Diasporan
Member # 22000
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Yep.. It seems in the recent trailer they made the main character less African looking.
 
Punos_Rey
Member # 21929
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New trailer:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_J8QXmIcy4

And my excitement continues to decline.
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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Yeah, at this point it appears beyond doubt that they're going with "status quo" when it comes to portraying the ancient Egyptians. [Frown]
 
Elite Diasporan
Member # 22000
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^YEP! Screw this game.
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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Truth be told, as a student of game design and development, I'd really like to be able to make a game portraying the AE as black. The problem is that it's a process that requires a lot of commitment and collaboration, not to mention time and resources. It'd be quite a lot of trouble to go through.
 
Elmaestro
Member # 22566
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IDK, I feel like the time period they decided to set the game is allows room for this creative decision. This is late into the ptolemaic/early roman periods. Cleopatra is "olive" in that trailer but to their credit, she's confirmed at-least HALF European (and probably had at least one copy of SLC24a5 lmao). There's not much I can be upset about personally, but then again I didn't have high hopes to begin with and though Ubisoft was gonna fuck up since I heard about the rumors so far, I'm actually slightly impressed. lol Bayek looks like Greyworm btw, it's kinda funny..considering the climate around Egyptology right now I'm surprised they even left him melanated at all.

PS. also...they still have to sell copies.

let's hope for a "reign of amanirenas" DLC package set in the future.
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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The game has come out at last.
 
Elite Diasporan
Member # 22000
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They did a COMPLETE 180 on the character's design since E3. lol!
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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quote:
Originally posted by Elite Diasporan:
They did a COMPLETE 180 on the character's design since E3. lol!

What do you mean by this?

I will say that in the "Launch Trailer" on the Steam page, Ba Yek still appears quite dark-skinned in certain shots. Hard to say whether that's what he really looks like or if it's the lighting at work. Ideally, I would buy the game myself right now, but I want to save money for the moment.

UPDATE: On second check, I got money. I'll buy it and provide screenies after a little playing through.
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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I had some performance issues with the game itself (choppy FPS), but I did get two screenies of the opening cinematic:

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Make of these what you will.
 
Elite Diasporan
Member # 22000
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^^^Maybe I was wrong
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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quote:
Originally posted by Elite Diasporan:
^^^Maybe I was wrong

So what are your current feelings on Ba Yek and how the AE are being portrayed in this game?
 
Elite Diasporan
Member # 22000
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^^^Based on your screenshots the character looks more Egyptian/African especially in the skin tone and skull structure. But they still played it safe.

Also what region is the screenshot from? Because the main character is said to be from Siwa who's people looked very African from the E3 game play
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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quote:
Originally posted by Elite Diasporan:
^^^Based on your screenshots the character looks more Egyptian/African especially in the skin tone and skull structure. But they still played it safe.

Also what region is the screenshot from? Because the main character is said to be from Siwa who's people looked very African from the E3 game play

The opening cinematic seems to be set in Siwa too.
 
Elite Diasporan
Member # 22000
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I am hearing from some people that most the NPCs are black looking than white.
https://i.imgur.com/4QRev3O.jpg
 
Punos_Rey
Member # 21929
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So has any one gotten and played the game? Thoughts?
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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quote:
Originally posted by Punos_Rey:
So has any one gotten and played the game? Thoughts?

I've played the game for a bit, and I have to say the general look of the Egyptian characters is very "status quo", even if some are darker than others. Will post more screenies later.
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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More screenies:

Ba Yek with a beard

Some of the people of Siwa, as portrayed in AC: Origins

Ba Yek with some of the Siwa population
 
Elite Diasporan
Member # 22000
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lol... The Siwa population looks LESS black compared to the E3 showing.
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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quote:
Originally posted by Elite Diasporan:
lol... The Siwa population looks LESS black compared to the E3 showing.

If that's true, it makes you wonder whether Ubisoft "whitened" them up to placate the racist trolls. Which would be shameful of them to do.
 
Punos_Rey
Member # 21929
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Extremeley disappointing, especially with some of the NPCs Ive seen screenshots of.

https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/assassinscreed/images/5/52/Medunamun.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170614092712

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/assassinscreed/images/2/20/ACO_Kensa.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171101113531

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7FxT3FKZWos/maxresdefault.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/assassinscreed/images/8/84/ACO_Chenzira.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171118072353

It seems Pharaonic remains the only game with a spine to fully commit to a contrarian stand

https://www.gamespew.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Pharaonic-3-min.jpg
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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Actually, another game which portrays the AE as rather dark-skinned is the city-builder Children of the Nile.

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Elite Diasporan
Member # 22000
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Hey truthcentric do you have a reddit account?
https://www.reddit.com/r/assassinscreed/comments/6y5k27/is_assassins_creed_origins_blackwashing_history/
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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quote:
Originally posted by Elite Diasporan:
Hey truthcentric do you have a reddit account?
https://www.reddit.com/r/assassinscreed/comments/6y5k27/is_assassins_creed_origins_blackwashing_history/

I do, but I honestly don't have the patience to debate these arrogant blowhards. Especially verbose ones like the OP. Maybe someone else here will be more willing to wade through that wall of text.
 
Elite Diasporan
Member # 22000
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^^Like seriously he contradicted himself all over the place which is why i thought it would be a QUICK win for you since you seem to love shutting these types down effortlessly.
 
Tyrannohotep
Member # 3735
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quote:
Originally posted by Elite Diasporan:
^^Like seriously he contradicted himself all over the place which is why i thought it would be a QUICK win for you since you seem to love shutting these types down effortlessly.

Admittedly, I was put off by the wall of text in his OP. I will take a look at it again. What areas did you feel were contradictions?
 



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