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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [qb] Huh?!![/qb][/QUOTE]I don't know what was so confusing about my explanation. [QUOTE][qb]African E lineage is found in Greeks 24%. Doesn't that mean there were (substantial) Africans in Greece about ~4kya? The "negroid" skulls around the same period supports this. Does this mean that the owners of the negroid skulls brought the neolithic technology as you said. So it is fair to say that the "negroid", ie African egyptians, lived freely in Greece PRIOR to their classical period.[/qb][/QUOTE]Correct. But what you fail to see is that these Neolithic forebearers [i]mixed[/i] with the indigenous European population already there. Hence, the majority of Greeks carry European R lineages. And the majority of Greeks looked European (as seen in classical art) and still do today. This is totally different from Marc's silly theory of whites replacing a black population indigenous to Europe! [QUOTE][qb]I am not sure who the "negroid" met there. But you are saying there were indegenous Europeans(Leucoderms) present. But doesn't the aricle above say that the AG considered the Macedonians "different" or babaric? What was this differnce? I assume it was ethnic. My thinking there were "mulattoes" ie black per the one drop rule. .. running around.[/qb][/QUOTE]You are letting the racial classifications get too much to you. "Negroid" is an outdated term describing cranial features. The article says nothing about Macedonians concerning ethnicity only about the [i]region[/i] of Macedon. [QUOTE][qb]It seem that the point of contention is when did these "negroids' get absorbed or . . .exterminated? You are saying from 5k BC to ~500bc the negroids were gone!! That is why there are no or very little portraites showing them(negroids).[/qb][/QUOTE]"Negroids" is an outdated term, so let's just say peoples of African descent. Obviously they were not "exterminated" if modern Europeans today carry their lineages. Obviously they were absorbed the by indigenous European population which is the opposite of what Marc thinks. [QUOTE][qb]But what about the view that the AG viewed AE as their mentor ie father figure ie direct connection. That implies to me that the AG were still had negroids running around to help build their civilization. It was only when the Macedonians took over that it became pure white. And the Genes of the Macedonins prove that.[/qb][/QUOTE]First of all there was no Ancient Greek claim of ancient Egyptians being their "father figure" or "mentor" at all. There [i]are[/i] however certain myths like the one of [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danaus]Danaus[/URL] whose descendants settled Greece. Also, you fail to understand that the HLA study talks about genes inherited in the area of Macedon long before any ethnic label 'Macedonians' existed! [QUOTE][qb]Maybe it was during the later times the percentage (E lineage)dropped to 24%. Prior to that it was much higher.[/qb][/QUOTE]Or maybe they were always low, as E is not indigenous to Europe! [QUOTE][qb]as you know invasion, conquest and lengthy occupation can change the makeup of genes.[/qb][/QUOTE]True but we have no evidence of such. [QUOTE][qb]SO I AM STILL NOT CONVINCED. AM I BEING BSed? [/qb][/QUOTE]Again, you are only BSing YOURSELF! You are either not smart enough to understand the explanations, [i]or[/i] you choose not to and instead choose Marc's fantasies of indigenous black Europeans! [b]LOL[/b] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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