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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [qb] I am beginning to think that your game is to use words to create a “smoke and mirrors” effect. Because what is the point referencing the Neolithic period when the African Neolithics period may be different to the African Greek Neolithic. Absolute time makes it clearer. Are you a gamesman? Thinking you are smart because you know the difference between Neolithic and Paleolithic but refuse to admit that Greek were African type pre-3300bc.. . . regardsless of ####lithic.[/qb][/QUOTE][b]LMAO[/b] @ "use words to create a smoke and mirrors affect" :D Nope. Sorry Xyz, but our words are clear. If you have a difficult (and an extremely difficult time at that) understanding us, then either you have a learning disability, or you refuse to believe it and rather go for Marc's whimsical world of Afro-nonsense. [QUOTE][qb]What we are trying to determine is . . .were the Greek originally Africans who were eventually overrun by the R1a and R1b. And how and when did this occur.[/qb][/QUOTE]The Greeks were [i]Europeans[/i] who recieved African admixture during the Neolithic! [QUOTE][qb]Some sources point to pre-3300bc the Greeks were mostly E3b (african). The Greeks could not of been R1a or R1b becasue it did not originate there but in north central europe. The R1a and R1b travelled south and west. The R1a and R1b eventually overcame the E3b, in Greece and south europe, which today makes up the 24% in Greece. The R1a and R1b eventually overan ALL of Europe post-AD 300.[/qb][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by rasol: [qb] There were no Northern Europeans during the Ice Age. All Europeans [proper] descend from ice refugeum in the South. [IMG]http://www.dnaheritage.com/images/masterclass/europe_haplogroups_1.jpg[/IMG] This corresponds to the following genetic lineages.... [IMG]http://www.dnaheritage.com/images/masterclass/europe_haplogroups_2.jpg[/IMG] [/qb][/QUOTE]Which sources claim the E3b carriers were "mostly" (as in the majority) present?! Especially since E3b originated in Africa whereas R and I are native to Europe (where Greece is). How can R1a and R1b and I originate in "northern Europe" if the map above shows that northern Europe was all frozen in ice?! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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