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[QUOTE]Originally posted by rasol: [QB] [QUOTE]As my map above establishes, the ancient lineages of Europe are African and whites of today's Europe of recent Indo-European / Germanic origins that displaced historic African populations. [/QUOTE]Nope, your map only establishes your despair and confusion and shows that you would get and F in genetics. Since you don't even grasp the basic relationships betwen the haplotypes. For example, haplotype F, encompasses -everything- that is not E [in a European context]. Go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup Look at the dendrogram of haplotype F. Look at everything underneath F. Understand better now? Also R1b makes up not just 50, but as much as 90% of haplotypes in Western Europe. 90%! All these haplotypes are of *paleolithic derivition* in Europe and derive ultimately from Africans, which means that [b]modern white people[/b] are indeed descendant of Paleolithic [and non white] Europeans. Of this fact you will not find a single current biologist in dispute. The only folks who try to dispute this are internet-SPACE-CADETS who don't know DNA from STD. Lastly haplotype E is found in Europe overwhelmingly in the form of E3b alpha which has neolithic origin - meaning, that's when Africans migrated into Greco-Europe - the neolithic, about 7000 thousand years ago, admixing with native European population that 1st settled Europe 30 thousand years ago [R1b, R1a, and I]. These 3 lineages denote Europes population because they TRACE RIGHT BACK TO THE ICE AGE REFUGEUM from which modern Europeans descend. As shown.... [QUOTE]Originally posted by rasol: [qb] ^ It's also clear that R1b the most common haplotype in Western Europe emergies primarily from the Iberian glacial refugeum, and *not* from 'the steppes' within the historical era. Repeating - the steppes - as a mantra ignores the biohistory of Europe. There were ice-ages, populations retreated into 3 specific shelters.... the genetic structure in Europe still reflect this historical reality. This thread is another sobering lesson for those who think they can keep quoting outdated/distorted 19th century race constructs and ignoring genetics. You're using wooden sticks against sub-machine guns. Your [arguments] are already dead, you just don't know it, yet.... [IMG]http://www.dnaheritage.com/images/masterclass/europe_haplogroups_2.jpg[/IMG] [/qb][/QUOTE]^ PS -> I don't mind that you try to distort genetics now that you've been *forced* to address it's devastating evidentiary power. You have no chance of doing so, especially since you don't understand how the haplotypes are related or denoted. So by all means, continue to discuss genetics. :) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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