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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tyrann0saurus: [qb] I believe Africans have proven themselves as capable of developing civilization as Europeans, Asians, and Native Americans---as proven by the civilizations they built [i]in Africa[/i]. They didn't have to build Greece, Mesoamerica, China, or any other non-African civilization to prove that ability. Your insistence that they did says to me that you think the actual achievements of Africans were inadequate. That doesn't sound like a sentiment a truly proud black person would have, it sounds like a feeling by a black person trying to cope with his self-hatred and cover it up. [/qb][/QUOTE]The fact that we write about the great role played by Blacks in Europe and America has nothing to do with believing the achievements of Africans are "inadequate", what we are doing is telling the truth. It is clear from your comments that you have a white supremist attitude. This white supremacy is found in everything we learn, read and see while experiencing life. As a result, science, history etc., is not neutral European supremacy in embeded in everything. Amos Wilson wrote: [QUOTE][b] Every course we go into is uinterwined with European history. We can't escape it So simply becuase we don't show up in some class that calls itself the History of Europe. Not by a long shot. In every discipline we study in the college/university/school we're going to run into European history:it is intimately intertwined (pp.17-18)[/QUOTE][/b] Dr. Wilson adds: [b] [QUOTE] "In the final analysis, European history' function is to first separate us from the reality of ourselves and separate us from the reality of the word;to separate us from the relality of our history and to separates us from its ramifications". "We have to recognize that European history-writing is an institution, the way any other discipline is an institution. And the function of institutions in any oppressive society is to maintain the status quo....The European writing of history is in tandem with everything elase European and its purpose is ultimately the same: to maintain European power and domination"(p.25). [/QUOTE][/b] You dare come to a site were the African origin of the Egyptians is regraded as fact and attempt to get Black people to follow your guidiance in not researching and writing about the actual history of Blacks which include the discussion of the ancient African diaspora. Amos Wilson, [b]The Falsification of Afrikan Consiousness: Eurocentric History, psychiatry and the politics of white Supremacy [/b], outlines the thought pattern of people like you. People like you believe that Black people have no ancient history, and you fight tooth and nail to make everyone believe this myth to be true. Wilson, points out that the African centered researcher is considered a threat to the status quo, because their writing of truth filled history is a frontal attack on white supremacy. You claim that Blacks are trying to take away the history of the Greeks and native Americans. This is a bold face lie. There are no native Americans claiming the Olmec civilization (if there is please name the group now)--in fact these people clearly see the civilization as a civilization of "Negroes". If you would study native American history, you would know that the Aztec and Maya know and claim their own history. You claim Blacks are trying to steal the history of the Greeks. This is also a lie. Greeco-Roman literature make it clear that the original civilization in Greece was founded by the Pelasgians, who the Greeks admit were not of the same ethnic group. The Greeks also admit that much of their civilization and culture came from Egypt. The evidence makes it clear that since the Native Americans and the Greeks do not claim the ancient history of the places they presently live, Afro-Americans can not be stealing anyone's history. Your problem is that you are ashamed of the fact that Afrocentric researchers prove the lie to the history you have been taught. You are hurt that all you believed about the greatness of western Civilization, today and in the past is untrue. Commenting on people like you Wilson wrote: "Apparently the rewriting of history, the distortion and the stealing of our history must serve vital economic, political and social functions for the Europeans or else he would not bother and try so hard to keep our history away from us, and to distort it in our own minds"(p.15). This characterizes your activities on this forum you ask questions that have already been answered many times, hoping no one will respond so someone might believe what you are saying is valid. Wilson maintains that people like you do this because: [QUOTE][b] It is in the nature of racist culture to hide its political agenda. Therefore, it presents so-called facts and information as if they have no political connections or implications(p.15) Because it is the intention of Europeans that Blacks never escape their condition of servitude. A higher education means that we will just be educated servants--nothing more, nothing less (p.18). [/QUOTE][/b] African centered historians have strong self-esteem and understand that the writing and teaching of history is political. We know that African people need to know their history so they can situate themselves in time and place relative to their being. Afro-Americans who buy into the historical myths taught in history text and the school are mentally ill. Wilson commenting on this reality observed that: [QUOTE][b] People who are ahistorical who have little knowledge of history , are people who are more gullible, more easily manipulated and people who can be more easily adapted to the capitalist machine than people who are historially knowledgeable (p18). [/QUOTE][/b] Your anger results from the fact Afrocentric researchers name and define the paradigms of history absent European supremacy. Wilson noted that: "We must recognize the intimate relationship between culture, history and personality. If we do not know our history then we do not know our personality" (p.23). Aluta continua..... . [/QB][/QUOTE]
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