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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] The figure you posted is a fake as demonstrated above. Haplogroup J could not have arisen in the Middle East around 30,000 years ago because the area was still occupied by Neanderthals. Moreover, around this time the Cro-Magnon people who were expansing eastward from Iberia carried the N haplogroup. Moreover the J haplogroup is also found among the Ethiopians. Given the linguistic evidence that the Akkadians and Ethiopians were closely related suggest supports the Africaness of these people, not Arabness. . [QUOTE]Originally posted by tooSleepy: [qb] [b]lol Winter[/b] Sorry dude it is the same mask with the impressed nose tip and his straight hair commend to a bun. [IMG]http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7716/a2gn1.jpg[/IMG] [i]Sleepy; were you seriously trying to suggest that the current rulers of Arabia are the indigenous people? Maybe you also think that current Iraqis, Iranians, Egyptians, Libyans, and those in the place now called Turkey are also indigenous people. Try Turks, with a little Greek and Roman thrown in – and the resultant mixtures. [/i] [b]Haplogroup J [/b] 30000 thousand years not enough? Haplogroup J is believed to have arisen 31,700 years ago (plus or minus 12,800 years) in the Near East (Semino et al. 2004). It is most closely related to Haplogroup I, as both Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J are descendants of Haplogroup IJ (S2, S22). Haplogroup IJ is in turn derived from Haplogroup F. The main current subgroups J1 and J2, which now account between them for almost all of the population of the haplogroup, are both believed to have arisen very early, at least 10,000 years ago. Actually Europeans are the ones who are partly Middle Eastern spin-offs. :D [/qb][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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