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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: [qb] ImageMaster All forum members I'll repost my response to the subject header (and the fact that Egypt did not have wide ranging navies as did other contemporaneous maritime nations) none of the questions therein have even been attempted answered by anyone yet. And please don't tell me about the resounding naval defeat of the invading Sea Peoples which was executed in Egyptian perimetre waters not at high sea. Egypt just simply didn't use her vessels in a manner of demonstrative sea power anywhere far from home. I'm not generalizing or anachronistically flattening all eras into one dimension. There are specific things I want to know and no one has helped me to learn them. I'm talking recorded trade (routes) not sociology. 1 - lack of contact with Mediterranean Africans 2 - hiring of Lebanese ships, shipping, and shippers 3 - primary documents of trade with _____ Cyrenaica _____ Tripolitania _____ Tunisia _____ Algeria _____ Morocco[/qb][/QUOTE]Don't get me wrong, but I fundamentally disagree with what seems to be your premise. One of them being that there is no evidence of Egyptian sea battles far from home and the other that if they didn't trade with other coastal Africans by sea, that they somehow did not have a capable Navy.... Thutmosis III is one Egyptian that used ships far from home, with some historians going so far as to say he was the father of the combined arms battle by using ships in his campaigns in the Northern Levant. This is one reason he is called the Napoleon of Egypt. Therefore, the Egyptians had a navy, they used it far from home and whether or not they had extensive sea trading networks with other Northern African states in the Dynastic period from 3500 B.C. to 1000 BC does not change this. [QUOTE] This first campaign revealed Thutmose to be the military genius of his time. He understood the value of logistics and lines of supply, the necessity of rapid movement and sudden surprise attack. He lead by example and was also probably the first person in history to really utilise sea-power to support his campaigns. Map showing Megiddo Megiddo was his first objective because it was a key point and had to be taken at all costs. When he reached Aaruna Thutmose held a council with all his generals. There were two routes to Megiddo a long, easy and level road around the hills, which the enemy expected Thutmose to take, and a route which was narrow, difficult and cut through the hills. His generals advised him to take the easy road through the hills, saying "horse must follow behind horse and man behind man also, and our vanguard will be engaged while our rearguard is at Aaruna without fighting" But Thutmose's reply to this was "As I live, as I am the beloved of Ra and praised by my father Amon, I will go on the narrow road. Let those who will, go on the roads you have mentioned; and let anyone who will, follow my Majesty" [/QUOTE]From: http://www.eyelid.co.uk/k-q3.htm [QUOTE] ANCIENT EGYPTIAN JOINT OPERATIONS IN THE LEBANON UNDER THUTMOSE III (1451-1438 BCE) Most people are aware that the Ancient Egyptians conducted military operations in Syria-Palestine, some may have heard mention of King Thutmose III at the Battle of Megiddo, but few will have heard about how Egyptian naval forces influenced events ashore during Thutmose III's subsequent operations in the Lebanon.(footnote 1) The history of Syria-Palestine aptly demonstrates the strategic advantage that lay with the maritime powers that controlled these waters. During the Late Bronze Age, Thutmose III's ability to maintain sea control in the Eastern Mediterranean enabled him to effectively project Egyptian military power ashore in the Lebanon. It is a truism, confirmed during the Crusades, World War I, and the 1973 Arab-Israeli War, that armies cannot operate effectively in the Syria-Palestine littoral without fleets controlling the adjacent Mediterranean Sea. By the time of Thutmose III the Egyptians had a long established overland trade route across the Sinai, coupled with a strong influence over the cities of southern Palestine. They also had a mature maritime trading relationship with the coastal cities of the Lebanon, especially Byblos (about 32 km north of modern Beirut). [/QUOTE]From: http://www.navy.gov.au/spc/semaphore/issue16_2006.html Almost all historians acknowledge Thutmosis III as one of the fathers of the sea land battle that became typical of later Mediterranean warfare. And he was only following the precedent established by those who PRECEDED him in the Old Kingdom. I agree that there isn't much info about any maritime trade contact between Egypt and the following countries because the first credible evidence of sea commerce with these people started with the Phoenicians somewhere around or after 900 B.C.: Cyrenaica Tripolitania Tunisia Algeria Morocco [/QB][/QUOTE]
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