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[QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] I have to reread Manetho and Cheremon to see if they explicitly call the emmigrants Israel else there is none. But then neither is Merneptah's stele evidence of a [i]nation[/i] named Israel. It is evidence of a [i]people[/i] named Israel. That said, in their consciousness of self, the Israelites record their evolution from literally being 1 - [i]b*nei Yisra'el[/i] to 2 - [i]'Am Yisrael[/i] with the following meanings: 1a) the Son's of Israel, a dozen male children of one man, 1b) the Children of Israel, a clan and tribal designation; 2a) a people Israel, with or without land, 2b) the nation Israel, an autonomous territorial polity. [i]B*nei[/i] can alternately mean "sons of" or "children of." [i]`Am[/i] can in turn mean either "people" or "nation" Surely there was a conscious that they were a people while in Egypt else would they have left en masse? So what is the first extra-Hebrew documentary evidence of an established territorial polity naming itself Israel? With or without it, the bottomline is that without Hebrew documents there is no way to place Israel in Egypt or as an exode from Egypt. Without Hebrew documents there is no foundational premise for the argument. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mystery Solver: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mystery Solver: There is no evidence that Israelites as people existed in the Levant before the late 14th century BC. [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Of course Biblical accounts say that, but where is the [b]tangible[/b] extra-Biblical evidence of an Israelite nation [b]within[/b] another nation that happens to be Dynastic Egypt? [/qb][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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