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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mystery Solver: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Evergreen: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mystery Solver: The stele may have exaggerated the state of affairs, but that depends on what they were trying to say in the first place. Indeed, it will be generations after generations before Israel would reappear on archaeological record...and so, if by "his seed is not", the author meant 'severely incapacitated', then perhaps that was done to some extent. But the significance of the stele's inscription doesn't lie with the extent of its exaggerations or whether the stele is even describing an actual battle; rather, how much we can infer from it, the state of Isreal at the time of making this inscription. [/QUOTE]Evergreen Writes: LOL - Fringe versus Fringe![/QUOTE]All trolling aside, do you have alternative assessments made from the stele inscriptions different from the expert one I provided? If so, let's have it. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Evergreen: [QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: The Merneptah stele states that YSRL's seed is no more. But we know that Israel did indeed have seed after Merneptah's time.[/QUOTE]Evergreen Writes: In that the Merneptah Stele refers to a people and not a country and since these people were CLEARLY wiped-out (if we to are to assume the stele is authentic) then we have to assume the possibility of the much later HISTORICAL Kingdoms of Israel and Judah deriving **CULTURAL** components from the earlier referenced Ysreal (possibly a small group of Aten worshippers). This is consistent with archaeologist Israel Finkelsteins summation that the people who went on to form the citizenry of the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were really in situ Canaanites and not Africans. Of course additional archaeological, linguistic, genetic and historic information informs us that the Canaanites in turn were primarily of SW Asia origin. [/QUOTE]Recap: Given the above mentioned concordance between Merneptah inscriptional Israelites and the Bible Israelite, there is no reason to assume that "Israelite Kingdom", whose various political figures are mentioned in the Bible, has no relationship with the Israelites mentioned in the Merneptah Stele. Both the Biblical Israelites and the Merneptah inscriptional Israelites are situated in Canaan. There is [b]no evidence of *two disparate unrelated* Israelite historical lineages anywhere at anytime[/b]; therefore, the burden of proof lies squarely on the party who advocates such a relationship between the said inscriptional Israelites and the Israelite polity that appears on archaeological record by around the 9th century BC. ^Since you're basically saying that two disparate Israelite groups existed in antiquity, produce the requested evidence above. Produce the disparate Israelite traditions independent of one another, and that don't converge on the Biblical tradition. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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