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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mystery Solver: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Evergreen: Evergreen Writes: No trolling, I just want to protect the credibility of the site from your psuedo-scientific theory. I don't need to present an alternative assessment because the Merenptah Stele indicates that the Yisrael mentioned by the Egyptians were wiped out.[/QUOTE]Well, if you proclaim that something is pseudo-science, and yet cannot explain why, with objective material to the contrary, that would constitute trolling. It seems that you're frantically reacting from emotion, rather than intelligent thinking. [QUOTE] Originally posted by Evergreen: because the Merenptah Stele indicates that the Yisrael mentioned by the Egyptians were wiped out[/QUOTE]The Merneptah stele may or may not exaggerate state of affairs of certain events so-described, but this is not where the importance of the inscription lies. Sometimes the events on these steles were more of a symbolic commemoration to the pharaoh, and not necessarily meant to describe precise events of battles or even actual specific battle. What the inscription does tell us however, without exaggeration, is the state of Israel, where it was located, and that Egyptians did in fact come head to head with them in confrontations in territories under their sphere of influence. Additional material can be inferred from the inscriptions, as I have already laid out without challenge, with the assistance of cross-reference with other evidence, both biblical and extra-biblical. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Evergreen: [QUOTE] I don't need to present an alternative assessment because the Merenptah Stele indicates that the Yisrael mentioned by the Egyptians were wiped out. [/QUOTE]Evergreen Writes: If you don't except that these people were wiped out then I have to say that you are selectively using the stele to further your own fringe agenda. You can't pick and chose the parts of the stele you like. Either you accept it as valid or you don't. [/QUOTE]Don't be ridiculous; it is not the matter of cherry-picking. It is a matter of cross-referencing available evidence: - There is only a *single* Isrealite tradition, represented by Biblical account, spanning predynastic times to the late dynastic periods. - There is only a *single* Israelite people mentioned in the first archaeological record ever of Israel - not two. - There is also only a *single* Israelite polity mentioned in the first archaeological appearance of an Israelite 'polity' - not two. - There is only a *single* Israelite origin for the tribes associated with Israelites in the Bible, and there is also a *singular* Israelite polity that arises amongst these people in the Bible - nothwistanding that it does state that it disintegrates later on, into two polities. The polities in question would have still stem from a singular Israelite lineage, not two unrelated disparate Israelite cultural lineages. - *Political* commemorations are not expected to be unbiased or unexaggerated, and so, it is not unreasonable to assume that the events mentioned in the inscription may have been symbolically exaggerated to some extent or the other. This is different from the observation of the *state of Israel* at the time of the commemoration. ^There, you have it. You on the other hand, are reduced to emotional bickering, while not providing any objectively backed up alternatives. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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