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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Supercar: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Hikuptah: If u guys really want to get to the facts of the Ethiopian script just think of it like this it developed in ethiopia was used in Arabia [/QUOTE]What evidence do you have, to suggest that the [i]Sabean[/i] script was not developed by well, [i]Sabeans[/i], but Ethiopians? [QUOTE]Hikuptah: but extending from Hejaz to Oman for they have found a few writings in Western Oman. The Ethiopian Script is still used only till this day by the Ethiopians because they are the sole controlers and developers of this script there is no history after Abraha of the Script ever being used in Southern Arabia.[/QUOTE]Well, the Ethiopians use Amharic script which is a further development of the early Ethiopic script, with vowels, and change in directions by way of starting sentences and ending them, and certain other details. So, Amharic script is no doubt indigenous, but has ties to the old Ethiopic script, which strongly resembles the Sabean counterpart, if not the same alphabetically and pattern of writing, i.e direction in which a statement begins and ends. Stuart Munro-Hay mentions two languages, as [i]opposed to[/i] writings, in pre-Aksumite inscriptions; he mentions this: [i]"Illustration 9. An inscription from Abba Pantelewon near Aksum, written in the [b]Epigraphic South Arabian script[/b] and [b]mentioning the kingdom of D`MT[/b]; it is dedicated to the [b]deity Dhat-Ba`adan.[/b]"[/i] - Stuart Munro-Hay ...and then this: [i]"The inscriptions dating from this period in Ethiopia are apparently written in two languages, [b]**pure** Sabaean[/b] and [b]another **language**[/b] with [b]certain aspects[/b] found [b]later[/b] in [b]Ge`ez[/b] (Schneider 1976). All the royal inscriptions are in this second, [b]presumably Ethiopian[/b], language.[/i] - Stuart Munro-Hay The question is, what makes the author here, think that there were two "languages", which from the way it is worded above, was written in the same script as "Sabean", so as to warrent the author's mentioning of "pure" Sabean? In any case, the idea that the "royal inscriptions" were written in this second, unnamed languages, presumably a local Ethiopian language, must have lent some support to the idea that the elites of the said complex could have been [see the highlighted]: [i]"The Sabaeans in Ethiopia appear, from the use of certain place-names like Marib in their inscriptions, to have kept in contact with their own country, and indeed the purpose of their presence may well have been to maintain and develop links across the sea to the profit of South Arabia's trading network. Naturally, such an arrangement would have worked also to the [b]benefit of the indigenous Ethiopian rulers[/b], who [b]employed the titles **mukarrib** and **mlkn** at first, and **nagashi** (najashi) or **negus** later[/b]...[/i]" - S. Munro-Hay ...but continues that: [i][b]no pre-Aksumite najashi or negus is known.[/b][/i] - Stuart Munro-Hay [QUOTE]Hikuptah: There is enough information to come to the conclusion that the Sabeans of Ethiopia were in control of there sabean brotherns of Southern Arabia for there have been many poets in ancient Yemen who talked about Ethiopian Sabeians ruling Arabia for about 1000 years up to the birth of Muhammed.[/QUOTE]There is information that Ethiopia occupied/colonized South Arabia at some point in time, but are you saying this adventure was the works of [i]Sabeans[/i] in Ethiopia? What brought you to that conclusion? [QUOTE]Hikuptah: There is even evidence showing that there was two groups of Sabeans in Yemen & Ethiopia for there is a saying in Ancient Arabia it goes as divided as the Sabeans because of them being in Southern Arabia & Ethiopia Africa.[/QUOTE]Well, there had been Sabean migrations to the pre-Aksumite complex on the Tigray plateau; we know this, and in fact, that is what why we are having this discussion in the first place. [QUOTE]Hikuptah: There was no Migration[/QUOTE]This makes no sense; how then do you explain people with the same identity on opposite edges of the Red Sea, with the folks on the South Arabian side being known as "Sabeans," while the [i]Sabeans[/i] in the ancient Ethiopian complexes were suggestive of immigrants, not locals, based on the notes thus far provided. [QUOTE]Hikuptah: there was no difference in Sabeans of Yemen or Ethiopia. [/QUOTE]Well, there would be no difference in that, the Sabeans were immigrants from South Arabia. Lol. However, if Sabeans eventually settled in the region, and adopted the local cultures, then at that point, the descendents of the said Sabean immigrants would have been culturally distinct from both the original Sabean immigrants who maintained their distinct "identity", as well as those who remained in South Arabia. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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