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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yom: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Israel: Supercar, Two questions for you. 1) Have you acutually read Ayele Bekerie? I ask cause you are quoting a guy(I think it was Daniels) who critiqued Bekerie's book. Now I am not saying that you yourself agree with P.T.Daniels, I am just saying that perhaps you should first read what Bekerie wrote instead of reading someone who critiqued him. THat is purely second hand information. And I am more than sure that Bekerie has his own rebuttal for Mr. Daniels.....[/QUOTE]I haven't read the entire book, but I read some parts of the book through Google books to check it out a while back and it made a lot of obviously false claims. A lot of it is interesting regarding parts not related to Ge'ez's origin (much of the book deals with other subject matters), but those areas related to its origins are either based in Biblical arguments or outlandish ones. Moreover, where there is evidence to support a certain view that he espouses, he tends to ignore the important archaeological evidence and makes use of less substantial or even inconsequential pieces of evidence. [QUOTE]2) If it is indeed true that the earliest inscription for Sabean was found in Ethiopia, then why isn't it possible for the Ethiopians to have invented the Sabean script? Tell me, why is that impossible? Why? Is there something wrong with that possibility? Remember that Sabeans were also from the lineage of Kush, so indeed the influence might have come from the horn of Africa.[/QUOTE]According to Norbert Nebes, the earliest in SA are from some time in the 8th c. BC (from Ma'in). Fattovich refers to 9th c. BC inscriptions, but without detail, so we do not know if the method involved also pushes back the dates of scripts in SA, but that does seem to be the case. Hopefully even earlier inscriptions can be found to clear up its derivation from proto-Sinaitic. [QUOTE]I mentioned on one of these threads before that according to Bekerie, according to three Ethiopian historical documents, i.e. 1)the "Kibra Negast", 2)"The Mystery of Heaven and Earth", and 3)____(I forgot the third), the language of Geez is a language of the house of Ham...............This is important cause these are primary documents that attest to the origin of the language. It is important that the writers of the language spoke about it origin coming from "Ham".[/QUOTE]The Kibre Negest is a 13th century document* and the Metshafe Mist'ir (Book of Mystery, also known by its longer name(s)) is a 1424 work. You cannot rely on data this late for the "origins" of Ge'ez. If it's the name "Semitic" that's bothering you, then call it something else. Call it "Hamitic" or even "Puntite" ala Winters if it'd make you feel better. It's not the name that matters, but the classification. You need to stop ascribing modern terms for language families so much value. The Cushitic language family, for instance, has nothing to do with the Biblical Cush unless it is found that the language of the Kingdom of Kush would be classified as what is [b]today[/b] called "Cushitic." *As far as we know. It may predate it by a couple centuries, as there's (contemporary) evidence of the myth even before the Zagwe, but I can't find the citation right now. [QUOTE]On the other hand, I don't really care IF(notice that I said "IF", cause if the oldest Sabean inscriptions are from Ethiopia, then Ethiopia would be the origination of the language we now dub "Sabean") Geez came from Sabean cause the Sabean civilization came from Kush(who was a son of Ham, of course).[/QUOTE]The Ge'ez alphabet came from ESA, but not the Ge'ez language. See Weninger, Stefan "Ge'ez" in von Uhlig, ed., [i]Encyclopaedia Aethiopica: D-Ha[/i], Wiesbaden:Harrassowitz Verlag, 2005, p.732: [i]"Ge'ez is not, as was stated by earlier researchers, an offshoot of Old South Arabian (Appleyard 1996)."[/i] [QUOTE]Real quick, he quoted a book by Rea called, "The Nations" on pg. 377. The quote is, ".........the Al Amran tribe of Arabia calls the region of Zebid in the Yemen by the name of Kush."[/QUOTE]Doesn't suprise me. Tihama inhabitants tend to be pretty dark. Here's a couple of examples: [IMG]http://static.flickr.com/29/98740656_3cae028377_o.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://static.flickr.com/29/98741595_ced5f286a6.jpg?v=0[/IMG] [IMG]http://static.flickr.com/41/98741327_fc2af6a8b6_o.jpg[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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