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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mystery Solver: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yom: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mystery Solver: What about the second part of the question you are citing, as mentioned above? What is your answer to that?[/QUOTE]Did you edit your question, because I don't remember editing your comment (maybe it got accidentally cut off)?[/QUOTE]Apparently. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yom: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mystery Solver: Why couldn't Proto-Semitic have diverged in Africa and by the said timeframe before spilling over to "southwest Asia"?[/QUOTE]^^Again, the only problem is that the current linguistic models for when Semitic diverged do not allow for it (in the Upper Paleolithic, that is). As I said above, I do think that it probably derived in Africa before spreading to West Asia, possibly through multiple dispersal points.[/QUOTE]If you know that "current linguistic models" for [b]proto[/b]-Semitic divergance don't allow for its occurrence in the Upper Paleolithic, surely you should also know why so, right? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yom: [QUOTE] Originally posted by Mystery Solver: [QUOTE]Yom: But what we were discussing above was an entering of Proto-Semitic in West Asia in the [b]Upper paleolithic[/b], a time when Afro-Asiatic, while it would have developed partially into different sub-groups, would have been at a stage when proto-Semitic had not yet diverged.[/QUOTE]Why not?...Keeping in mind that the TMRCA range of E-M78 fits well with the timeframe cited in the Ehret piece, 17 ky ago or so, if we are to put some faith in Cruciani et al.'s latest work. [/QUOTE]Yes, but the genetic dates can vary as much as linguistic ones from study to study (as we learn more). Do you connect the spread of E-M78 according to Cruciani's model (from Upper Egypt in the late Paleolithic) with that of Semitic languages?[/QUOTE]The dates don't vary much, as far as I know, and are within the same general range. And yes, I do connect the spread of E-M78 with Afrasan within and outside of the continent. Do you feel otherwise? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yom: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mystery Solver: By late Upper Paleolithic apparently there was a way to get to the Levant via the Nile Valley, because there is genetic and linguistic evidence of it, at the least. Egyptian Neolithic agricultural economy was largely independent from their "southwest Asian" neighbours. Therefore, I'm not sure where you are going with that. [/QUOTE]Yes, but IIRC, some crops (not the tradition of agriculture, which was already present) were adopted from West Asia. Is this not correct? [/QUOTE]If it's correct, what is the point? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yom: I was just using it as an example of evidence for some sort of traversability of the Sinai, although I guess a sea route is also possible. Let's try to go back to the original topic now. [/QUOTE]This [i]is[/i] on-topic, as Ethio-Semitic fits well with the title of the topic. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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