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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sundiata: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mustafino: [qb] [QUOTE]Pacal: Regarding the 100 here are my comments. 1, Unexceptional,although I'm not aware that Homo Sapiens was found at Omo. 2, I am not sure of the date of Australopithecus Ramidus otherwise unremarkable. 3, I've heard about such discoveries in Africa involving early Homo Sapiens. 4, Interesting if True. 5, Such notched artifacts have also been discovered in Europe. I think there may be a bit of over interpretation here. 6, Interesting if true. However the date of about 12,000 years ago is still about c. 10,000 B.C.E. which is about the time cultivation began in the Fertile Crescent. 7, Lots of People practice mumification. This seemsto assume that it spread from that area of Africa to other places. 8, Not the old date of the Sphinx nonsense. Lets just say its disputable. 9, Dubious, and we all know about the reliability of Newspaper articles. 10, Wow! studies show that the Ancient Egyptians are Africans. just what anyone would expect. Thats not the question the question is the closeness with Sub-Saharan Africans. 11, And? Combs don't exactly have a huge range of shapes. 12, Unexceptional comment. 13, I would disagree with the hyperboyle, but again unexceptional. 14, Interesting if true. 15, Sounds like a typical Egyptian Nobles Mansion. 16, Is this true or misrepresented? 17, Toilets and sewage Systems existed in Manjo Daro in India 1000 years earlier to say nothing of the Palace at Knossos. 18, Really, what about Peru and Mexico? But I guess its about how you define Pyramid. 19, I believe Meroe became capital after 590 B.C.E. Since Meroe was capital well into the Roman pyramid nothing exceptional about a Roman style Bath house. 20, Again hardly unique to Meroe although I believe the Gold was stripped by the times Archaeologists got to it. 21, I'm not sure about the date but it sounds like it was inspired by the alphabet. I wonder if the presence of Jewish mercenaries at Elphantine using the Hebrew alphabet played any role? 22, I suspect that the early date is too early. 23, Intersting. 24, I,m not sure about the date but certainly by C.E. 1 there was a settlement at Jhenne. 25, I have my doubts about the pop. figure but Ghana's wealth and trading connections are well known to Archaeologists anyway. 26, Again uneceptional although I suspect by "cities" the writer was including walled villages also if he says "thousands". 27, Interesting but the point? 28, Interesting if true. But such banking practices existed in Islamic countries, Even in Europe crude versions of these practices existed. (Carrying large amounts of cold cash could be dangerous). In China such practices including Paper money existed by then in there then most advanced form. 29, Hyperboyle by an author isn't much evidence. Ghana despite its wealth in gold was almost certainly far less wealthy than China for example or for Fatimid Egypt. 30, Sure! Extremely dubious. 31, Interesting but the point? 32, The Romans had glass windows. 33, Interesting. 34, Interesting. 35, I would like to know the source of the Quote. Ottherwise its personal opinion. I agree that Yoeuba metal work was indeed very good. 36, The point? lots of structures can be said to resemble step pyramids. 37, Intersting. 38, Again the Romans had glass windows. 39, More hyperboyle. Although Mali was indeed very rich in gold. Again China was indisputably the wealthest country on earth at the time. 40, There is lots to dispute about in this Mali ruler. His achievement have become incrusted with reams of legend. weather he ever sailed is disputed and there seems to be NO evidence of them getting to America. 41, Both interesting and amazingly apparently true!! 42, I would like to know the source of that quote. It reads like hyperboyle besides how can you estimate that? 43, I believe thisis from the Travels of Ian Buttana a Moslem traveler. 44, The Source for the Quote? 45, The Schools are known, the numbers I suspect are inflated. 46, sounds like hyperboyle and numbers inflation although it is true that Timbuktu was a intellectual center. 47, A bit of hyperboyle. Although it is true that a considerable number of old books are in private hands in parts of West Africa esppecially in Timbuktu. Conservation is urgently needed. The numbers are dubious. 48, Source? 49, I think Palin said something like that, but again the basis for this comment? 50, No big deal so did a lot of prior empires. 51, Interesting if true. Source? 52, Aside from the hyperboyle Benin bronzesare indeed of very high quality. 53, Sounds accurate. 54, Source? Wouldn't be surprised if true. (Afterall what about ancient Peruvian textiles) 55, Sounds like hyperboyle. 56, Source? 57, Source? Interesting if True? 58, Sounds about right. 59, I think this is correct. 60, Nothing unusual. 61, THe quater of a million figure sounds like hyperboyle. 62, Quite believable. Source? 63, Dubious. 64, Possibly true. 65, Pop. figures are dubious. 66, Impressive, but I'm not sure if is in fact the largest. 67, Name of Scholar? I don't think gold coins are so rare. 68, I've heard this myself. It is farfrom proven. 69, Source of the Persian Clerics comment? 70, Lalibela is indeed a world wonder. 71, The figure sounds like hyperboyle but rock cut churches are indeed found throughout Ethiopia. 72, I'm not sure if this is true. 73, The 600 figure here is reasonable but I'm unsure of the word origin given. 74, THe 100,000 tons sounds like hyperboyle, and Londons pop. was more like 30,000. 75, Interesting. 76, Very dubious. 77, Likely true but the source? 78, They probably did mine gold on a massive scale. However the figures read like hyperboyle. 79, Since Monamotapa traded with all sorts of people including the Portuguese this would not be unusual. 80, Interesting if true, but not unique. 81, No they havn't. Besides what do you mean by "precolonial"? If you mean before 18.00 C.E., well DUH!! 82, If true fasinating, source please. 83, Dubious. And a Lunar calendar of 354 days sounds terribly Muslim. 84, Intersting. Source please, not a vague reference. 85, True. 86, Wouldn't be surprised if true. 87, Sigh! THe Romans had windows. 88, Probably true. 89, Probably true. 90, source please. 91, I'm not sure. Possible. 92, Would not be surprised. 93, So? 94, True. 95, Dubious. 96, Dubious. 97, Who is this person? Source? 98, Source? 99, Wouldn't be surprised if true. THe name of the Archaeologist would be nice. 100, A Chinese explorer Cheung Hu brought the giraffe. [/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE]Firstly, I just need to say that you have no life what so ever! HaHA! Now, I disagree about numbers 1 and 2 being unremarkable because these people later traveled across the entire planet, adapted, and survived in order to make way for coons like you. #3 - #10 You'll have to show a source for your claim about #5, I think you're lying, Europeans weren't even white at the time anyways. I believe this to be the era of the Gramaldi Black Man.. #8 The Sphinx indeed is debatable, but evidence suggests that it goes back to predynastic times. #9 Nubia has already been confirmed as the first Monarchy in history, this is indisputable. No need to obscure the facts. http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/qustul.html #10, this would seem to suggest a "sub-saharan" body plan, as north Africa is not in the "Tropics" idiot. You must of missed the phrase "Black African", even though we all know there were no "White" Africans at that time anyways. Here's the actual study. http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/egyptian_body_proportions.pdf I'm not going to go tit for tat because all that you're doing is undermining these accomplishments by giving your dry, uninformed opinion about how impressive or not it was, so I'll just stick to the ones that you need a source for or question. #17. How do you figure that India did it 1,000 years earlier, and if so who cares? This is a list about Africa, and obviously it was an independent development, Europeans and Native Americans were shitting in caves at that time. I give the "Black' Dravidians props for their accomplishments. #21. I have no idea, but to assume outside involvment with out direct evidence doesn't pass the test of Occam's razor and exposes you as a biased crab. #25, no one cares about your undirected doubts, you're not an authority on ancient Ghana, debunk it or stay in the corner. #28. Give me a source that says Europe or Arabia used Cheques as currency in 951 A.D., if you can't do that your ranting is worthless. #29. This isn't "Hyperboyle" by the author, he quoted a medieval source, take it up with the source. And per capita I'm quite sure Ghana shitted all over China at that time. Besides, the claim was made about the King, and not Ghana its self, quit resorting to straw men. #30. I admit it sounds a little far fetched, but if these elements were indigenous to America, maybe it should be looked into. #32. Who cares about the Romans, they had legs too. This is about Africa, it isn't a contest as you make it out to be. #35. You're such a vindicative creature.. This is the Yoruba's trade mark and what they're known for. http://hearstmuseum.berkeley.edu/outreach/pdfs/yoruba_teaching_kit.pdf #39. Provide a source that states China was richer than Mali at the time. How? #40. You fool, There's no way to know for sure if he made it or not, but the fact that Abubakari made a voyage across the Atlantic is well documented, the debate is rather he made it all the way across or not. You can speculate what you will, I can't say either way. #42. Stop using the same terminology and expand your limited vocabulary, you're being repetitive. Anyways, Again, he quotes a source, this is not "hyperbole" idiot, these are not his words. #44. Haha, what use is it to question the quote? How about you look him up yourself, then come back and debunk it if you find it dubious, for what I have no idea. #45. Everything about Timbuktu is confirmed and documented, it would be a real stretch to say that these facts are fabricated, you can read about Timbuktu any where. http://www.google.com/search?q=Timbuktu&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGGL,GGGL:2006-29,GGGL:en #46. I'm tired of that "Hyperbole" word, vary your speech pattern you ignorant drone. Again, he quotes a source, you're reaching.. Ok, this is where I stop for now, because all you're doing is lazily asking for sources for things that have already been confirmed or you try and undermine it by saying someone else did it, or it isn't a big deal. You're playing games right now and are literally trying to cast as much doubt on African achievement as possible, but where you fail is in your obvious and blatant approach. Also your repetitive and unwitty semantics, the facts still stand because you've done nothing to refute any of the claims, you either doubt them (probably since it shatters your previous notions of white/brown supremacy) or downgrade them. Your strategy is pathetic and non-effective. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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