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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sshaun002: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Sundiata: [qb] ^^Shaun, you make no sense. How can you honestly take pride in a test score that by your reasoning has little bearing on individual success, educationally? If African immigrants indeed come from some of the most miserly social circumstances in Africa, then why does their educational attainment exceed Asians and Europeans coming from better socio-economic circumstances in Asia and Europe? Cultural bias in these tests aren't the issue, that's an old straw man. What's at issue is the assertion that cultural disparities that exist outside of the test won't effect test takers differently, be it through nutrition, general interest, energy, comfortability, whatever. Or that the test its self measures actual intelligence (including emotional intelligence and survival skills [or "street smarts"]). What also would be of interest is to see if the IQ gaps remain constant, which would lend some support to a biological explanation. Seeing as how [URL=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brookings.edu%2Fviews%2Fpapers%2Fdickens%2F20060619_iq.pdf&ei=nIxmSI-nHIeuoQSno4W7DQ&usg=AFQjCNF_I1sramw6vqe2_4HZrjBrmfyyog&sig2=WIAIsr10fR5aFYmTp_Q1rQ]Flynn already confirmed a closing of the gap[/URL], there IS NO support and thus, you've failed in your burden to prove your case and claims. [/qb][/QUOTE]Flynn and Dickens cherry-picked the few examples where data supported their arguments of a closing of the gap. This gap has supposedly been closing for 50 years, yet there it still is and will remain for another 50 years and beyond. IQ does not have little bearing on educational success. It has less success on educational attainment/longevity (that is, how far and long somebody chooses to attend school). Only a high IQ individual can achieve success in higher education but if they choose not to go to college after highschool, they will not obtain a college degree. Beyond educational success is success in other social areas such as crime rates, teen pregnancies, divorce rates, welfare rates, and so forth. High IQ people suffer from these far less than lower IQ people regardless of what degree they have (or don't have). I don't have data but I would recokon that Asians and Africans that emigrate to America come from families in the upper crust from their homeland that offer just as much and more than the average European immigrant family. I would think it's easier for an average North American to emigrate to Europe than a 3rd world individual unless the person from the 3rd world has big bucks and a solid educational background. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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