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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by sshaun002: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Sundiata: [qb] ^^Shaun, you make no sense. How can you honestly take pride in a test score that by your reasoning has little bearing on individual success, educationally? If African immigrants indeed come from some of the most miserly social circumstances in Africa, then why does their educational attainment exceed Asians and Europeans coming from better socio-economic circumstances in Asia and Europe? Cultural bias in these tests aren't the issue, that's an old straw man. What's at issue is the assertion that cultural disparities that exist outside of the test won't effect test takers differently, be it through nutrition, general interest, energy, comfortability, whatever. Or that the test its self measures actual intelligence (including emotional intelligence and survival skills [or "street smarts"]). What also would be of interest is to see if the IQ gaps remain constant, which would lend some support to a biological explanation. Seeing as how [URL=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brookings.edu%2Fviews%2Fpapers%2Fdickens%2F20060619_iq.pdf&ei=nIxmSI-nHIeuoQSno4W7DQ&usg=AFQjCNF_I1sramw6vqe2_4HZrjBrmfyyog&sig2=WIAIsr10fR5aFYmTp_Q1rQ]Flynn already confirmed a closing of the gap[/URL], there IS NO support and thus, you've failed in your burden to prove your case and claims. [/qb][/QUOTE]Flynn and Dickens cherry-picked the few examples where data supported their arguments of a closing of the gap. This gap has supposedly been closing for 50 years, yet there it still is and will remain for another 50 years and beyond. IQ does not have little bearing on educational success. It has less success on educational attainment/longevity (that is, how far and long somebody chooses to attend school). Only a high IQ individual can achieve success in higher education but if they choose not to go to college after highschool, they will not obtain a college degree. Beyond educational success is success in other social areas such as crime rates, teen pregnancies, divorce rates, welfare rates, and so forth. High IQ people suffer from these far less than lower IQ people regardless of what degree they have (or don't have). I don't have data but I would recokon that Asians and Africans that emigrate to America come from families in the upper crust from their homeland that offer just as much and more than the average European immigrant family. I would think it's easier for an average North American to emigrate to Europe than a 3rd world individual unless the person from the 3rd world has big bucks and a solid educational background. [/qb][/QUOTE]The point you are missing here is that socio economic factors play a bigger role than IQ in determining the success rate of various individuals. The fact that America has been pushing preferences and priority to white achievement over the last 400 years makes it obvious that more whites, both with higher IQs AND lower IQs will be able to go to college, get degrees AND have success in the wider society. Yes, THEORETICALLY all individual achievement could be predicted on IQ, but America and the world IS NOT a level playing field and there are too many other socio economic factors that play a part in individual achievement to place all determination solely on IQ. Ambition, greed, desire and ethics ALSO play a role in success, depending on how you measure it. IQ is a red herring that is used to OBSCURE and OVERSIMPLIFY the reality of socio economic factors that ARE the determinant of individual and group success rates, not theoretical numbers on a chart. And, the other KEY here is NOT just the fact that those with the HIGHEST IQ will be able to achieve more than others, but what happens to the MAJORITY of those who are somewhere in between? Success is not simply about going to college, getting a degree and becoming super smart because of your brains. In fact, for most of human history, people have succeeded simply by the use of their hands and hard work. Intelligence plays a role, but it is not necessarily the kind of intelligence that passes IQ tests. There are many more things that go into defining success than being someone who scores high on a IQ test. There is success at ones profession, success in social interaction, success in family life, success in spiritual development and overall success in living. Everyone does not have the same definitions of success in these areas and this is what determines how people will approach these various areas of life. Trying to simplify everything into a score on a IQ chart is simply the excuse of a few elites who have BENEFITTED from years of white preference, trying to base their achievements on everything BUT their own savage barbarism and INHUMANITY towards others. Academic success in America is based much more on going to the RIGHT schools, taking the RIGHT courses and having the RIGHT amount of preparatory college entrance training courses. It is not simply about IQ. Having all of these factors in your favor along with socio economic status, have MUCH MORE of an impact on the likelihood for one's success than simple IQ. The rest is determined by individual hard work and desire to succeed, which is the MOST important factor no matter what IQ you possess, followed by the socio economic environment that either supports or HINDERS your efforts to achieve it. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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