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Originally posted by JMT:
You're a fight fan, Meninarmer? Big boxing fan here. I have limited amateur experience myself.

I watched Peter/Klitschko last night. Very disappointed in Peter. Although I'm not surprised. Peter has looked rather lethargic as of late. I believe the problem with Peter is poor management and lack of training. Peter's priorities is not on his training but enjoying the creature comforts from his limited success, i.e., big screen TV, luxury cars, refrigerator full of food, etc.

Ike could have been a great heavyweight champion. He had all the prerequisites; good skills, good chin, good power, good stamina. Rarely do you see all these qualities in a heavyweight. Unfortunately, like so many other athletes, Ike's poor choice of Vegas call girls led to his downfall.

Yes, Ike is up for parole. But it's doubtful he'll return to the ring. If he does it's unlikely he would be a threat in the division. After all it's been eight years and he's hundred pounds heavier than he was prior to his incarceration. Fighters that done time usually don't return to the ring hungrier (with the exception of Hopkins), but return unmotivated with broken spirits.

Nice chatting with you, M. Take care.

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Originally posted by Sabalour:
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On Ibeabuchi:
No disrespect Meninarmer, but I'm starting to believe of Ike becoming boxing's most widespread Urban legend, with every year someone claiming he is about to go out of jail and save the heavyweight division.

I've never been high on him anyway, people seem to forget he landed his ko punch from nowhere before being outboxed by Chris Byrd. Of course he seems to have a great chin good skills and good power, but I don't see him avoiding a traditional eye swelling Klitschko jabfest with some brutal additional combos à la Wlad/Mercer.

I'm not surprised by Peter's poor performance, the guy is a less agile version of Tua, and is tailor made for tall good and powerful jabbers. I still believe he's good chin though (cf. the Klischko fights), the shot McCline caught him with a punch he took in the wrong position and did not see coming at all and that would have put anyone in trouble especially from an heavy weight.

I don't think the division is trash as it is widely claimed, I think that if the Klitschkos had Toney's charisma they would be considered as an ATG already.

I hope David Haye will do some damage in the division but I'm afraid he will not carry his power to heavyweight and definitely going to be in trouble if he keeps his hands that low.

Strangely enough the only hope for beating any Klitschko is not Povetkin to me, I think he will not be able to get past Wlad's jab, but J-C. Gomez.

The guy is technically great and has virtually all the tools for avoiding Vitali robotic style via his dancing skills, frustating him en route to an UD.

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Hi Sabalour
Thanks for contributing to the thread and sharing your boxing insights. It appears you too are a fan of the sweet science.

Ike Ibeabuchi was a real talent.
The fight you're speaking of with Chris Byrd is a real testament to how good IKE was.
You have to remember, Chris Byrd was the heavyweight champions who fought and defeated;
-Jamal McCline
-Evander Holyfield
-David Tua
-Vitali Klitscho

The fight before he fought IKE, he fought and defeated Ross Puritty who knocked out Wlad Klitscho.
So, Byrd was no push over and one of the slickest boxers around.
IKE took his time, didn't get frustrated and when the opportunity arose, he closed the show in dramatic fashion like a real champ.
Byrd's only problem was his size. He was a LHW fighting huge guys that outweighted him by 30-40 lbs.

Ike's bout with David Tua is a classic. It's my East Coast to West coast fight which I watch while on long flights.
I believe it set a record for the largest amount of punches ever thrown in a heavyweight match. They both fought non-stop for 12 rounds with hardly any clinches or breaks.
Many expected Tua to blow Ike away and have an easy win by knockout. Ike fought Tua's fight and gave more then he got.
I had their fight scored dead even, but gave the win to Ike due to superior ring generalship.

It's a shame because although the Klitschos are now the best heavyweights in the world doesn't say too much becasue all the others are bums, making the Klitschos, the kings of the bums.

I agree Gomez has good potential and has much more of a heartbeat then Peter.
Still, I think Gomez may be 2-3 fights away from getting infront of Vitali. He should start with the weakest link, Wlad.

Who are you taking this weekend.

Roy Jones Jr. VS Joe Calzaghe ?
 

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Originally posted by JMT:
You're a fight fan, Meninarmer? Big boxing fan here. I have limited amateur experience myself.

I watched Peter/Klitschko last night. Very disappointed in Peter. Although I'm not surprised. Peter has looked rather lethargic as of late. I believe the problem with Peter is poor management and lack of training. Peter's priorities is not on his training but enjoying the creature comforts from his limited success, i.e., big screen TV, luxury cars, refrigerator full of food, etc.

Ike could have been a great heavyweight champion. He had all the prerequisites; good skills, good chin, good power, good stamina. Rarely do you see all these qualities in a heavyweight. Unfortunately, like so many other athletes, Ike's poor choice of Vegas call girls led to his downfall.

Yes, Ike is up for parole. But it's doubtful he'll return to the ring. If he does it's unlikely he would be a threat in the division. After all it's been eight years and he's hundred pounds heavier than he was prior to his incarceration. Fighters that done time usually don't return to the ring hungrier (with the exception of Hopkins), but return unmotivated with broken spirits.

Nice chatting with you, M. Take care.

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KMT,
HUGE fight fan here.

Don't know WHY i bet on Peter. I have never been really impressed with him at all. I have never been impressed with the Klitschos either, but since Vitalia has been out for the last 3 years and hasn't fought anyone I thought Peter should have a clear advantage.
I thought wrong, and this guy quit on his stool. I knew Peter was a bum, but I had no idea he was that bad. Guess I had too much disposable income.

JMT
Do you think that Peter took a bribe to lose the fight? The Klitschos wanted to make history by bring the first brothers to hold HW titles at once. They definitively wanted to win this fight, and spent alot of money up front to bring the ex-champs to the fight. I hear each former champ received $100,000 to be there.

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Bridery isn't out of the question.

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Originally posted by Sundjata:
I could have saved you the $500 if I knew you were going to bet on him against Vitali. I mean, c'mon, did you see his fight against Jameel McCline just last year when he got put on his azz 3 times? Imo, he even got beat by James Toney (a former middle weight!). He has no talent really, just power. He plods forward and throws hard punches, that's it. All Vitali had to do was keep him at bay and stick him with the jab. I already knew he was going to get trounced. The best Black fighters today are from the Americas (both north and south) and even then, they aren't heavy weights anymore. The HW division is trash nowadays.

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