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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kenndo: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by kenndo: [qb] correction -you mean different tribal groups not not ethnic, except the medja. The ones in the nile valley and those called hill nubians were one group but they were not called nubians in the past. The difference between a alwan and a kushite was tribal not ethnic. just like a bambara and mandinka. [/qb][/QUOTE]Wait, hold up! To my knowledge the groups that the Egyptians described were ethnic. Tribal groups are divisions within each ethnicity. Of course Hill Nubians and Nile Nubians were only grouped together in recent times but such a grouping was based purely on linguistic reasons. The Nile Nubians and Hill Nubians are themselves comprised of different ethnic groups but all are classified together as 'Nubian' linguistically and culturally. The Bambara and the Mandinka are also not tribes but ethnic groups that comprise the larger Mande cultural group. I think you are confusing the larger cultural group or family with 'ethnicity' and the actual ethnicity with 'tribe'. [/qb][/QUOTE]I HAVE TO DISAGREE with you on that.MANDE IS A ETHNIC group with sub-groups like the bambara or mandinka.the cultures are closely related. I AGREE WITH YOU that modern nubians did not call themselves nubians. scholars do not know yet the real name the kushites and noba for example were called but egyptians had names for them and the egyptians were really describing sub-groups or tribes not ethnic groups.Do not forget that the culture of the noba and kushites were basically the same. The groups you are talking about that may be different ethnically were most likely the groups next to egypt and the medja.BUT ON AVERAGE THE GROUPS THAT LIVE NEXT TO EGYPT ON AVERAGE LOOK MORE LIKE EGYPTIANS BUT THEIR CULTURE WAS MORE RELATED TO THE KUSHITES AND EVEN MORE SO WHEN KUSH TOOK OVER THE NORTH.YOU COULD SAY THEY BECAME MORE KUSHIZED. I believe that the population however belong to one ethnic group with sub-groups. THE MEDJA YOU COULD SAFELY say were a different ethnic group of what scholars today call nubian.african scholars do believe that noba group thta took over kush were basically the same ethnic group the kushites belong to but we do not know the real name of that ethnic group. the tribal or sub-groups of that ethnic group were kushites,alwans,certain groups in the nuba hills and other areas.i scholar i spoke to made it clear to me they were the same ethnic group. even if they were different from the start in the end they basically became the same. Just like the greeks and macedonians.scholars go back in forth and do not give a clear answer if the greeks were different than the macedonians.but in the end the macedonians did in fact became greek. I believe that the THE KUSHITES and hill nubians and the noba did come from the same places and had basically the same culture from the start.In fact SOME noba and kushites intermarried.other kushites died off or just left the nile valley.KUSHITE NUBIANS WERE THE SAME ETHNIC GROUP AS THE NOBA AND HILL NUBIANS.THE REAL NAME OF THE ETHNIC GROUP IS UNKNOWN BUT THE MEDJA NUBIANS WERE A DIFFERENT ETHNIC GROUP. HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. Mandé is an ethnic group of West Africa. Speakers of the Mande languages are found in Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Senegal, Mali, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Burkina Faso, Côte d'Ivoire and Northern Ghana. Linguistically, the Mande languages belong to a divergent branch of the Niger-Congo family. The Mande peoples are credited with the founding of the largest ancient West African empires. The Mandé are closely related to both West Atlantic-speakers (such as the Fulani and Wolof) and Nilo-Saharan -speakers (such as the Songhay), in terms of culture and ethnicity. Some sources say that the Mandé are defined by culture and language rather than by ethnicity, since many different ethnic groups have adopted Mandé languages, names, and traditions. NOW THE LATTER I DISAGREE WITH.THE FIRST SOURCE I AGREE. THE MANDE IS A ETHNIC GROUP. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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