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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chimu: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: [Well here's the thing dimwit. T-rex wasn't asking you to tell him about Khoisan throwing fits, he asked you to provide information which says that modern humans did not evolve in equatorial tropical East Africa, and being in this tropical zone wouldn't have been dark...?[/QUOTE]Mindless Matter, I see you ignored the fact that the Bisa Sandawe where lighter until recently due to admixture. [QUOTE]By 1.2 million years ago, all people having descendants today had exactly the receptor protein of today's Africans; their skin was Black, and the intense sun *killed off the progeny with any whiter skin* that resulted from mutational variation in the receptor protein- - (Rogers 2004:107). [/QUOTE]Bisa Sandawe didn't have a mutation, weren't killed off by the intense sun and were lighter. [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: Khoisans are in fact regarded as 'black' in South Africa. They must be throwing fits there quite often, 24/7. [/QUOTE]Uh no, they weren't. They were regarded as Griqua or Colored. From a Khoi in Botswana: [QUOTE]it really depends on our different definitions of black and white. In apartheid South Africa, where classification was rife, Bushmen people were regarded as Coloured. In Botswana, we are regarded as Black. They call themselves N/oakhwe, 'the red people'. Kgeika Kwena means the First People. N/oakhwe means The Red People. In our Bushmen societies, we do not have many stratas as the other societies do (blacks, whites, indians etc). That I think is the reason why we have not considered ourselves along any lines of race. Of course we're as unique as you can imagine to all of you in our ways of core existence. In Botswana, we have accepted that we're black and not coloured.[/QUOTE]Note that in Botsana, the Black identity has been pushed while in South Africa it has not. The Khoi in Botwana are also much more heavily mixed with Bantu than the San in South Africa. From a San in South Africa [QUOTE]I have to make a few things clear in order to answer you. 1. The Khoisan are not Black 2. They are separate from other population The Khoisan people are not easy to classify due to outside elements that has been playing part in destroying our identity. We are brown; yellowish in colour even some are white. There are even some of us that are darker in colour, but we don’t classify ourselves as Blacks. Why? The term Black, same as Coloured has become an insult, because we are seen as not White and also not Black we are seen as not part of the population in this country. I really get angry for those Khoisan people who call themselves Coloureds and say they are even proud. I feel sorry for them because they do not know their culture and their heritage. I am asked a lot about why do I still wear that animal skin in front and I simply say it’s my culture. To answer you, on are we Black, the answer is no no no. You can call us Brown but not Black. The term Black refers to the Nguni people, the Xhosas (name given by us), Zulus, and other Black tribes. We are indigenous to this land so if we were labelled as Blacks, our Nguni people that are Blacks and us would be on the same level (which we are not). You see, to call us Blacks would be an insult, but sadly our people of Khoisan descent because of poverty and for getting jobs in the new South Africa they now call themselves Black (Black economic empowerment). The Khoisan can never be seen as Black nor can they be called Black they are the true Africans because they are indigenous to this land. The outside areas (outside South Africa) even Namibia there are Khoisan, but to the overseas people there are two people in South Africa: Blacks and Whites (we need to tell them about the Khoisan) I ask one tourist this question and his answer was that their knowledge about the Khoisan was that they are rebellious and that they wore animal skins. You see, that is why I am proud to wear my traditional clothes for heritage day to show people that I am Khoisan. That is who I am. To finish the discussion we as the Khoisan see ourselves as people not like the Blacks, but separate from them and would not be seen or known like anything else.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: Norton, Kittles et al: [i]In general, the [b]derived allele[/b] (associated with lighter pigmentation) is most common in [b]Europeans and East Asians[/b], and the [b]**ancestral allele**[/b] predominates in [b]**sub-Saharan Africa** and **Island Melanesia.**[/b][/i] [/QUOTE]An ancestral allele that was present in the Bisa Sandawe and yet they were lighter. [QUOTE]Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: ^^The Khoisan that he knows, most likely doesn't feel comfortable being called black, being around an individual who suffers from blackphobia, such as Chimpu. [/QUOTE]LOL, I am always entertained by these claims. And Eurocentrics call me Afrocentric. Extremists always try to project. [QUOTE]Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: [b]Overall, our data also suggest that light skin colour is the derived state and is of independent origin in Europeans and Asians, whereas **dark skin** color seems of unique origin, **reflecting the ancestral state in humans**.[/b] [/QUOTE][/QUOTE] Same unique origin as that of the Bisa Sandawe and they were lighter. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Alive: ^Agreed. It's rather weak that Chimpu rails against "black", "black-centrism", etc, and not "white", "mixed", or any of those centrisms. [/QUOTE]Don't make me laugh. Eurocentrics constantly accuse me of being Afrocentric, Mulattocentrics accuse me of being Afrocentric, Indigenocentrists accuse me of being Afrocentric. Why? Because while I will shoot down Afrocentric mythologies in boards such as this, I actually promote the very real Afro Diaspora that is alive and kicking today. I don't live in lala land fantasies. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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