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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chimu: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Alive: Oh. [QUOTE]chimu: [b]An ancestral allele that was present in the Bisa Sandawe and yet they were lighter.[/b][/QUOTE]^It also predominates in sub-Saharan Africa. This is because dark skin is simply a trait that evolved in tandom with the loss of fur/hair. So it only shows that the ancient ancestral population full of the ancestral melanin genes still likely possesed a variation in skin tone. Big whoop. [[/QUOTE]And that variation allowed for more than one skin tone. No evidence that they were not of multiple hues, just like great apes today. [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: The Sandawe have enough melanin to survive in the environment they live in, and their complexion is what one would call "dark complexioned"; essentially what we also call "black".[/QUOTE]Wrong. They were always described as lighter. Don't confuse the Tehla Sandawe with the Bisa. [QUOTE]Do you have evidence that in Apartheid South Africa, Khoisans were given the same treatment as "coloreds", and were better treated than the "blacks"?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]In the 1950s they were classified as coloured by the Apartheid authorities.[/QUOTE] http://www.come2capetown.com/thecity/people_language/Khoi_San.asp [QUOTE]Chief Little believes the event is a signal for all those of Khoisan descent to reclaim their identity. "She's brought to the fore that we need to be proud of our identity instead of hiding behind the classification of 'coloured' which was given to us by the racist apartheid regime," he added. [/QUOTE] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1971103.stm [QUOTE]So, is this your way of saying that the San in Botswana are darker in skin tone than those in South Africa?[/QUOTE]Yes, they are. Botswana (Kalahari - Central Bushmen, Yellow Bushmen at Lone Tree, Central San, Yellow Bushmen at Takashwani, Central San, Yellow Bushmen at Ghanzi, Central San) 42.4 South Africa (Warmbath - Hottentot) 43.75 South Africa (Namaqualand, Hottentot) 46.8 South Africa (Cape - Cape Coloureds) 50.96 [QUOTE]What was the allele, found in the Bisa Sandawe by whom, and associated with what skin complexion [that is to say, with "dark" or "light" according to the study]? Your opinionating that the Bisa Sandawe are "lighter" in no way changes the fact of the study that you are citing above about dark skin alleles in Africans and Melanesians, nor does your *personal* characterization of the Sandawe as "lighter" make them not to be "dark" complexioned folks, that is to say, "black". [/QUOTE]Lighter than a tanned Japanese woman. Not Black. [QUOTE]Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: And how light is this supposed lighter? Of course Bisa Sandawe are dark enough and retain enough melanin to survive in tropical climates. Therefore there skin would not be light. Please show otherwise, and post evidence that this "admixture" made them darker..... Btw, Non Africans ancestors migrated out of tropical East Africa, the horn.[/QUOTE]Go read the literature. I already quoted it. And the Snadawe do show strong admixture today with Bantu. Go read Tishkoff. [QUOTE]Of course they have the mutation you idiot, as all Africans do. It's the ancestral state of all humans. The Bisa Sandawe are not white and were not white ever. The original humans when they lost their fur were likely pink/white skinned, and under the intense sun of Equatorial Africa it would of killed of any offspring that retained this pink skin, Bisa are not pink, nor is any indigenous African. [/QUOTE]I meant a mutation from that original MCR1 gene. And no one claimed they were White. Nice strawman. I said they weren't Black. Your dumb dichotomy, not mine. [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: What was the allele, found in the Bisa Sandawe by whom, and associated with what skin complexion [that is to say, with "dark" or "light" according to the study]? [/QUOTE]And indeed, they'd have to have ancestral alleles, because after all, that is what's keeping them "dark complexioned". In the meantime,... [i]The [b]lightly pigmented[/b] hunter-gatherer San populations of Southern Africa is exceptional in having a [b]high frequency[/b] of the [b]derived allele[/b] relative to geographically proximate and more darkly pigmented African populations (Jablonski and Chaplin 2000), further supporting the importance of OCA2 in regulating normal variation in pigmentation. The widespread distribution of the derived allele in the CEPH-Diversity Panel suggests that it is not necessarily a new mutation, nor has it been restricted to a specific geographic area.[/i] - Norton et al. Note that while it is said that the allele in question is suggestive of not being a new one, it is recognized as being in the "derived" state. [/QUOTE] Feel free to show that Jablonski shws any evidence, other than hypothesis. that they have a derived state. I know what Jablonski believes. I am only interested in what she has proven though. [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: This fellow has a different take... [i]Coloreds: Mixed-race descendants of Africans, Asians, and Europeans, coloreds compose two distinct communities: the Malays (mostly Moslem, descended from Indonesian slaves), and the [b]Griquas[/b], whose origins are from [b]Khoikhoi and white **unions**[/b]. The Coloreds speak Afrikaans and, to a lesser extent, English. They are concentrated in the three Cape provinces. Since the official beginning of apartheid in 1948, they have tended to identify socially with Blacks more and more[/i] - Obi O. Akwani, [i]IMDiversity.com[/i][/QUOTE]Yes the Griquas are mixed. But the pure KhoiSan were also classified as coloured. [QUOTE]Modern South Africa is composed of many peoples who, as a [b]result of the country's history[/b], fall into [b]four main race-based categories[/b]: indigenous [1*][b]Africans or Blacks[/b], [2*]Europeans or Whites, [3*]Asians or Indians, and [4*]Coloreds.[/QUOTE]And KhoiSan fell under Coloreds. [QUOTE]The [b]African majority[/b] consists of three main cultural groups: the [b]Khoikhoi, the San or Khoisan people of the Cape region and the Bantus.[/b][/i][/QUOTE]Yes there were two African groups. The Colored and the Blacks or Bantus. [QUOTE]Chimu, do you have evidence that Apartheid South Africa, and henceforth, modern South Africa's "racial" or ethnic categories are different from what is being stated above? [/QUOTE]Read above. [QUOTE]Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: The Bisa Sandawe and Khoisan of South Africa, were not part of the single group of East Africans who left via the horn to populate the world. [/QUOTE]Neither were modern Horners. Did you have a point? This guy is not Griqua. He is San, and he is Colored [IMG]http://www.nma.gov.au/shared/libraries/images/temporary_exhibitions/extremes/extremes_large/africa/a_khoisan_man_northern_cape_south_africa/files/6398/nma.img-ex20042116-262-vi-vs1.jpg[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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