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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chimu: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: [qb] Indeed, that is double speak on Norton's part. In a published journal, it clearly states that the marker is "derived", even though and as expected, it is hard to determine the age of the mutation.[/qb][/QUOTE] [QUOTE][qb] Yet, in a [i]personal[/i] e-mail correspondence, Norton says that she isn't sure if it is derived, or else "an ancestral" marker, presumably carried over from primate-like ancestors. This doesn't even make sense, considering that the earliest modern humans in the tropics would have needed considerable skin pigmentation to survive. It is just common sense. They didn't have extensive post-cranial body hair like gorillas do. And if they did, I sure would like to see evidence of it, LOL. Paleontological record and quantitative cranio-metric diversity-by-distance model simulations have all implicated tropical Africa as the likely place of origin for modern humanity. Certainly much of KhoiSan territory is below the tropics.[/qb][/QUOTE]The fact remains that they never stated what specific reason why it would be derived in the first place. And the Bisa Sandawe lived in the tropics. [QUOTE][qb]Is it then possible, from the tone of Jaime's question, she felt compelled to please him, by telling him what she thinks he probably wanted to hear? I mean this right here, is shaking up her own credibility; the credibility is on the line.[/qb][/QUOTE]I don't agree, I think she clarified. [QUOTE][qb]As for the photo spam that Chimu just posted, it makes no difference. These folks would have been sitting at the back of the bus in the U.S., during the Jim Crow era. That right there and then, should educate him on what that means.[/qb][/QUOTE]It means that they could have been light skinned, I guess. [IMG]http://debstake.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/rosa-parks2.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE][qb] Moreover, as noted, it is immaterial to the study cited.[/qb][/QUOTE]Not at all. She stated that the genetics allowed for skin color back then that mirrored the diversity today. That picture elucidates that diversity right on the equator. [QUOTE][qb] Maybe, Kittles does indeed have to be contacted, to shed light on what's going on here. This doesn't bode well either for the credibility of the published work, or Norton. [/qb][/QUOTE]So contact him. And her. And if you don't think the study or the scientists are credible, don't quote them. But have it as it may, that is her bona fide statement. [QUOTE]Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Chimu: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: [qb] ^^^The response you've provided totally contradicts her original study, where derived alleles are specifically mentioned to be present. Lol, shows where your logic lies, if you have any at all. I would love to see the e-mail you sent her....please provide it!! [/qb][/QUOTE]I already did. [/qb][/QUOTE]No, you showed us her response but not your original e-mail, where is it? [/qb][/QUOTE]My original email [QUOTE]Hello Dr. Norton, Very interesting reading. I was curious, if primates where lighter skinned and then became dark skinned with the evolution of, I believe it was MCR1? Then when humans lightened again in Africa, like the San in South Africa or the Sandawe in Tanzania it could not be any reoccurrence of a prior genetic trait right? So the light skin in primates like the chimp would have nothing to do with derived genes like ASIP or OCA2. Do genes like these even exist in other primates? I was curious if you knew how the Sandawe got comparatively lighter in the equator. Or were they always medium complected within the original gene markers? How much variance can be seen in skin color without ASIP and OCA2 genes? Where all humans the same complexion or was there still a range of skin color possible? Also when you say that they are derived genes, what was the original gene and what is the science to determine which gene was derived from the other? Sincerely, Jaime Pretell[/QUOTE]You are just grasping at straws because you didn't like her answer. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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