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[QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] Last time I posted somehow most of it got truncated. [QUOTE] Originally posted by Alive:[b] Ok. I know Rome invaded etc but what happens to Jes in the last centuries BC and first centuries AD is mysterious to me. [/b][/QUOTE]No mystery, there's plenty of history. The centuries surrounding the turn of the era, Jews were in their own nation Judea and in nearby nation states, notably Egypt and Babylon but also in the expanse between at least Libya to India. [QUOTE] Originally posted by Alive:[b] How did they get to Spain [/b][/QUOTE]Jews got to Spain primarily from littoral North Africa. Centuries after their arrival, as a fifth column, they flung various Andalusian city gates wide open for Tarif and Tarikh. Tarif may have been a Jew of the Tribe of Shim`on. [QUOTE] Originally posted by Alive:[b] why are there communities claiming "Isrealite" descent clear to India [/b][/QUOTE]The reason communities "clear to India" claim Israelite descent is because First Temple Era Israelites settled where ever they traded. In the case of the Lemba looks like a subset of Teimani Jews left the Yemen where they had settled in the wake of social upheavals occuring in the ancient kingdoms of Yisra'el and Y*hudah. [QUOTE] Originally posted by Alive:[b] Was it the Arabs who chased them out [/b][/QUOTE]Nobody chased Jews out of Palestina. There has always been a presense of Jews there as evidenced in documents from every century since Rome conquered Judea. Romans did enslave and transport many Jews to Italy. Those Jews pioneered trade into what would in time become France and Germany laying the foundation for the Ashkenazi branch of the people. A second century great revolt in Cyprus and Cyrenaica was suppressed by the Romans (I think the commanding general was a black man). Libyan 'Jews' fleeing the diasaster migrated westward and southwestward eventually arriving to Morocco and the Niger. From the Niger on to the Senegal. The first Arab reports on the Western Sudan record they met there blacks professing Judaism amng the Bafur. In Arabia most Jews converted to Islam. Notable holdouts were the Teimani and the 'Jews' of Khaibar. The latter are reported to have executed any Muslims within their power and are reoprted to be black of skin as late as just 150 years ago. In the Yemen, Muslims adopted all orphaned 'Jewish' children raising them under Islam. There's a lot of cross absorption between Jews and their host states everywhere which is why there is no one Jewish look. [QUOTE] Originally posted by Alive:[b] aren't there still native/"Middle Eastern" Jews? [/b][/QUOTE]The 'Jews' of Egypt, Palestine, Syria, and Iraq are remnants of the ancient communities established there ramified with Jews from elsewhere over the millenia. One Talmud was edited in Iraq and the 12th century 'Jews' of Iberia wrote to Iraq for an order of prayers. All authentic prayerbooks are spinoffs of the order of prayers the Iraqi's supplied to the Iberians. Even today the chief rabbi of the great Sephardi branch of the people is an Iraqi. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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